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  1. #741
    Hijo
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    INC could actually win another Guinness world record

    June 15 2017, 12:55 AM

    As one of the worst religions. I wonder why anyone in their right mind would join, the answer is obvious, no one does. The only source of converts is the children brainwashed since birth.


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    Tomas
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    Hijo, the true God is very loving, so if someone is a decent person and just can't

    June 16 2017, 7:13 AM

    believe for whatever reason and dies unbelieving, then after he or she is resurrected, the person will be taught correctly and will be given the opportunity to accept God and his Son, love them and repent of their sins, as we have all sinned. Of course some will be so evil they will not be able to repent and love God and his Son, so they will end up in the lake of fire. But others will be saved.
    So those Christians who teach there is no possibility of salvation after death, they unfortunately are not following the Bible correctly, and are unwittingly defaming God, making him look very unfair. And INC is certainly one of the churches who are guilty of this. That is one of the reasons why I could not join INC.


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    Hijo
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    Whereabouts in the bible confirms the 2Nd chance?

    June 16 2017, 10:38 AM

    Hi Tomas

    I'm no bible expert, but am unaware of any reference in the bible to this chance to be saved after death when dying as an unbeliever? This contradicts all I have ever heard from Christians

    Anyway even if true why bother just live now without wasting time on a God that may or may not be existing.

  2. #742
    I am with you Hijo...

    June 19 2017 at 3:18 AM Iam1plus1plus1 (Login Ador_De_Leon)

    Response to or give religion a miss altogether

    I don't know if I will go to another religion. I am not actively looking for one also.
    I will have it look for me. But for now, my view of the world and about religion in
    general have changed and can not go back to how it was. But I am leaning very
    heaving on Atheism.


    You are leaning very heavily on atheism? But there is no proof there is no God.

    June 19 2017 at 5:39 AM Tomas (Login TomasSedlacek)

    Response to I am with you Hijo...

    No scientist has found proof of no God. But the Bible proves there is a God.
    So please don't give up on Christianity, just because you have had a bad
    experience with INC.


    I wish you luck, very brave to leave when I understand you were

    June 19 2017 at 7:49 AM Hijo (Login hijo7591)

    Response to I am with you Hijo...

    Born into INC. I can understand if you need to go back its so hard if family is in INC.
    I think there must be an answer to this life, I can only believe in a God who loves me as
    I love my sons, And that is with all my heart I will never abandon or shun them, I don't
    want anything from them except a hug and a smile and see them do their best. which
    tells me they know they are loved and always will have a place to call home.

  3. #743
    INC: THE OBSCENE AND PORNOGRAPHIC CHURCH

    May 10 2017 at 11:02 AM Mcgi defender (Login Butzdenn77)

    https://christianwatchdog.wordpress....raphic-church/

  4. #744
    Did Iglesia ni Cristo throw away a WW2 Memorial?

    June 16 2017 at 4:30 AM John Snow (Login TheOtherOzzy)

    This seems odd, disturbing, and disrespectful. Guy saves a WW2 Memorial from
    the trash in England with names of men who sacrificed their lives. The article states
    they do not know who put it there but believed it came from the property of a newly
    renovated INC church.

    The least INC could have done was donate it to a local historical society or something
    like that. To throw it in the trash was completely disrespectful. But does that surprise
    anyone? I doubt it. INC has become nothing more than rubbish themselves anyway.

    http://www.leaderlive.co.uk/news/177...lintshire.aspx

    Do you INC still really believe that your administration wants to help others? It's all a
    big fake cover for the administration. Keep the people busy so they do not have time to
    think about what is really happening.


    Pray that God destroys this cult before it can hurt too many others.

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    Hijo
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    Compare Manalo's war record

    June 16 2017, 6:46 AM

    as soon as the Japs arrived Felix Manalo basically cleared out and gave the church
    leadership to someone else, as soon as the protestants (American GI's) saved the
    country from the Japs he was back in control of his church business

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    Coffeemaker
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    Gosh, replaced by a 1914 memorial

    June 16 2017, 2:43 PM

  5. #745
    Nothing new under the sun (Son)

    June 26 2017 at 1:46 AM HiJo (Login hijo7591)

    Thus, the statement of the “decision” of the Japanese sponsored Court of Appeals saying: “…she was abducted by the offended; that for this, she was the object of threats; that the offended had illicit amorous relations with the wife of another minister of the church; that in the presence of the appellant, the offended tried to rape a maiden that the reason WHY A CERTAIN LILOY separated from the said church, was because the offended had tried to abduct his wife called Amada; that the aggrieved parties and victims of the offended due to said motives, were afraid to talk in view of threat that they would be injured and killed if they did so; that such conduct followed by the offended, resulted in the birth of two children BY A CERTAIN BASILIA Santos, of Paco; that when the appellant refused to follow the offended from the house of a certain Protacio, in Pasay, where she already had her as a mistress, to another house, she was the object of the threats through a revolver, thus succeeding in making her stay in another place; and in the practice followed by the offended of seducing devout women of the said church, whether single or married, he cited the many wives that Solomon had, and that the man created by God, as himself, has aright to happiness, for which his desires should be acceded to, for this would be a meritorious act in the eyes of God” WAS BASED ONLY ON THE TESTIMONY OF ROSITA TRILLANES AND HER SO-CALLED WITNESS (REYMUNDO MANSILUNGAN). No other witnesses, no further evidences, and the people mentioned by Rosita in her testimony given to the court (and even in her letter) were not called to appear in the court the reason why the court mentioned only “a certain Liloy,” “a certain Basilia,” “a wife called Amada,” “a certain Protacio.”

    Hey is the auditor Felix Manalo's son?

  6. #746
    Pope as Anti-Christ

    June 29 2017 at 4:01 AM Wayne (Login vgretz_8)

    The Pope as Anti Christ

    One of the Pope's titles is Vicar of Christ upon earth.

    (Ecclesiastical Latin papa from Greek papas, a variant of pappas father, in classical Latin pappas -- Juvenal, "Satires" 6:633). The title pope, once used with far greater latitude (see below, section V), is at present employed solely to denote the Bishop of Rome, who, in virtue of his position as successor of St. Peter, is the chief pastor of the whole Church, the Vicar of Christ upon earth.
    —The Catholic Encyclopedia 1908


    What is meant by Vicar?

    Vicar
    (Lat. vicarius, from vice, “instead of”)—The Catholic Encyclopedia 1908


    vicar
    (from Latin vicarius, “substitute”), an official acting in some special way for a superior, primarily an ecclesiastical title in the Christian Church. In the Roman Empire as reorganized by Emperor Diocletian (reigned 284–305), the vicarius was an important official, and the title remained in use for secular officials in the Middle Ages. In the Roman Catholic Church, “vicar of Christ” became the special designation of the popes starting in the 8th century, and eventually it replaced the older title of “vicar of St. Peter.”—Encyclopædia Britannica Ultimate Reference Suite


    What is meant by the Greek word “Anti” ?

    A. Thayer's Greek Definition

    G473
    ἀντί
    anti
    Thayer Definition:
    1) over against, opposite to, before
    2) for, instead of, in place of (something)
    2a) instead of
    2b) for
    2c) for that, because
    2d) wherefore, for this cause
    Part of Speech: preposition
    A Related Word by Thayer’s/Strong’s Number: a primary particle


    B. BDAG Lexicon
    ἀντί
    • ἀντί prep. w. gen. (Hom.+; for lit. s. on ἀνά, beg.); orig. mng. local, ‘opposite’, then of various types of correspondence ranging from replacement to equivalence. A marker


    1. indicating that one person or thing is, or is to be, replaced by another, instead of, in place of ἀντὶ τοῦ πατρὸς αὐτοῦ Ἡρῴδου in place of his father Herod Mt 2:22 (cp. Hdt. 1, 108; X., An. 1, 1, 4; Appian, Mithrid, 7 §23 Νικομήδης ἀντὶ Προυσίου ἐβασίλευε, Syr. 69 §364; 3 Km 11:43; Tob 1:15, 21; 1 Macc 3:1; 9:31 al.; Jos., Ant. 15, 9). ἀ. ἰχθύος ὄφιν instead of a fish, a snake Lk 11:11 (Paroem. Gr.: Zenobius [Hadr.] 1, 88 ἀντὶ πέρκης σκορπίον, prob. from Attic comedy: Kock III 678 [Adesp.]; Paus. 9, 41, 3 Cronos receives ἀντὶ Διὸς πέτρον to swallow). ἀ. τῆς προκειμένης αὐτῷ χαρᾶς ὑπέμεινεν σταυρόν Hb 12:2 (cp. PHib 170 [247 BC] ἀντὶ φιλίας ἔχθραν; 3 Macc 4:6 , 8); sense 3 is also prob., depending on the mng. of πρόκειμαι (q.v. 2 and 3). Cp. Hs 1:8; 9, 29, 4.


    2. indicating that one thing is equiv. to another, for, as, in place of (Diod. S. 3, 30, 3) κόμη ἀ. περιβολαίου hair as a covering 1 Cor 11:15. ὀφθαλμὸν ἀ. ὀφθαλμοῦ καὶ ὀδόντα ἀ. ὀδόντος Mt 5:38 (Ex 21:24). κακὸν ἀ. κακοῦ ἀποδίδωμι (cp. Ael. Aristid. 38 p. 711 D.: ἴσα ἀντ᾽ ἴσων ἀποδ.; Pr 17:13; Mel., P. 72, 531 κακὰ ἀντὶ ἀγαθῶν [cp. Ps 34:12].—SIG 145, 9 τὰ κακὰ ἀντὶ τ. ἀγαθῶν) Ro 12:17; 1 Th 5:15; 1 Pt 3:9. λοιδορίαν ἀ. λοιδορίας ibid. (Dionys. Soph., Ep. 40 χάριν ἀντὶ χάριτος= gift in return for gift). Differently to be understood is χάριν ἀ. χάριτος grace after or upon grace (i.e. God's favor comes in ever new streams; cp. Philo, Poster. Cain. 145 διὰ τὰς πρώτας χάριτας … ἑτέρας ἀντ᾽ ἐκείνων καὶ τρίτας ἀντὶ τ. δευτέρων καὶ ἀεὶ νέας ἀντὶ παλαιοτέρων … ἐπιδίδωσι. Theognis 344 ἀντ᾽ ἀνιῶν ἀνίας) J 1:16 (JBover, Biblica 6, 1925, 454-60; PJoüon, RSR 22, ’32, 206; WNewton, CBQ 1, ’39, 160-63).


    3. indicating a process of intervention. Gen 44:33 shows how the sense ‘in place of’ can develop into in behalf of, for someone, so that ἀ. becomes =ὑπέρ (s. Rossberg [s.v. ἀνά] 18.—Diod. S. 20, 33, 7 αὐτὸν ἀντ᾽ ἐκείνου τὴν τιμωρίαν ὑπέχειν=he would have to take the punishment for him [i.e., his son]; Ael. Aristid. 51, 24 K.=27 p. 540 D.: Φιλουμένη ψυχὴν ἀντὶ ψυχῆς κ. σῶμα ἀντὶ σώματος ἀντέδωκεν, τὰ αὑτῆς ἀντὶ τῶν ἐμῶν) δοῦναι ἀ. ἐμοῦ καὶ σοῦ pay (it) for me and for yourself Mt 17:27. λύτρον ἀ. πολλῶν a ransom for many 20:28; Mk 10:45 (Appian, Syr. 60 §314 διδόναι τι ἀντὶ τῆς σωτηρίας, Bell. Civ. 5, 39 §166 ἐμοὶ ἀντὶ πάντων ὑμῶν καταχρήσασθαι=inflict punishment on me in place of all of you; Jos., Ant. 14, 107 τὴν δοκὸν αὐτῷ τὴν χρυσῆν λύτρον ἀ. πάντων ἔδωκεν; cp. Eur., Alc. 524). S. the lit. on λύτρον.—W. articular inf. (Ael. Aristid. 34 p. 654 D.; Jos., Ant. 16, 107) ἀ. τοῦ λέγειν ὑμᾶς instead of (your) saying Js 4:15 (B-D-F §403; Rob. 574; Mlt-Turner 258).—Replacing the gen. of price (even in Hdt. et al., s. Kühner-G. I 454; cp. Hdt. 3, 59 νῆσον ἀντὶ χρημάτων παρέλαβον; ***., Rep. 371d; Jos., Ant. 4, 118) ἀ. βρώσεως μιᾶς ἀπέδοτο (in exchange) for a single meal Hb 12:16. So perh. also vs. 2 (s. 1 above).


    4. indicating the reason for someth., because of, for the purpose of, ἀ. τούτου for this reason Eph 5:31. W. attraction of the rel. ἀνθ᾽ ὧν in return for which=because (Soph., Ant. 1068; X., An. 1, 3, 4; OGI 90, 35 [196 BC]; PLeid D I, 21; LXX; AscIs 2:14; Jos., Ant. 17, 201; SibOr 5, 68; B-D-F §294, 4) Lk 1:20; 19:44; Ac 12:23; 2 Th 2:10.


    5. indicating result, w. implication of being a replacement for someth., wherefore, therefore, so then (Aeschyl., Prom. 31; Thu. 6, 83, 1; 4 Macc 18:3; Jdth 9:3; Jos., Ant. 4, 318) Lk 12:3.—DELG s.v. ἄντα. M-M. EDNT. TW.


    C. Strong's Hebrew and Greek Dictionaries
    G473
    ἀντί
    anti
    an-tee'
    A primary particle; opposite, that is, instead or because of (rarely in addition to): - for, in the room of. Often used in composition to denote contrast, requital, substitution, correspondence, etc.


    D. JH Moulton and G Miligan—The Vocabulary of the Greek New Testament
    G473
    ἀντί
    By far the commonest meaning of ἀντί is the simple “instead of.”


    Recap

    Vicar means “instead of” or “substitute”
    Anti (Greek ἀντί) also means “instead of”, “in place of” or denoting substitution.
    Christ in Greek is Χριστός

    Translate Vicar of Christ into Greek would then be ἀντίχριστος— in English Anti-Christ.

    1 John 2:18 GNT Παιδία, ἐσχάτη ὥρα ἐστί, καὶ καθὼς ἠκούσατε ὅτι ἀντίχριστος ἔρχεται, καὶ νῦν ἀντίχριστοι πολλοὶ γεγόνασιν· ὅθεν γινώσκομεν ὅτι ἐσχάτη ὥρα ἐστίν.

    1 John 2:18 NRSV Children, it is the last hour! As you have heard that antichrist is coming, so now many antichrists have come. From this we know that it is the last hour.

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    Tomas
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    That is ingenious thinking. I guess some antichrists would want to substitute

    June 29 2017, 5:00 AM

    for Christ, but still, the normal meaning in the Bible is those who oppose Christ, who are against Christ, even if they don't want to substitute for Christ. Look at 2 John 7, all those who claim that Jesus has not come in the flesh are antichrists. So this was true of some sects, already in the first century, and became prominent in the second century, they taught docetism, the doctrine that Christ only seemed to have flesh, but in reality had no flesh, because flesh is evil. So he only seemed to suffer on the cross, but he was spirit, so he felt no pain. He simply did not come in the flesh. So John pointed out that this is an evil doctrine, really opposed to Christ, so those who teach it are opposed to Christ, they are antichrists.
    On the other hand, the popes have historically preached the gospel, regardless if they were personally saved or not. So they did not oppose Christ, were not antichrists. They might be living in sin, but they still preached Christ. Similarly EVM, though he lives in sin, in luxury, in a mansion, he still preaches Christ.

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    Deacon646
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    Worship Defintion

    June 29 2017, 11:51 AM

    to render religious reverence and homage to.

    to feel an adoring reverence or regard for (any person or thing).

    These definitions definitely describe the INC attitude towards E.V. Manalo, yet they claim they don't worship him. I would say he might be the antichrist, but he is not important or powerful enough for the role.

  7. #747
    The one true church

    July 3 2017 at 6:43 AM Hijo (Login hijo7591)

    Marks attendance
    Fingerprints members
    Expels members for asking a question refusing to be fingerprinted
    Knocks down houses with people still inside
    Detains or even kidnaps people
    Counts how much money you gave
    Has the same lesson every time


    Yes the one true church

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    Hijo
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    INC true believer - What convinces you? What makes you believe?

    July 3 2017, 12:18 PM

    Can you explain?

    I don't think you have anything but blind faith in Manalo? What else??????

  8. #748
    Quote Originally Posted by tiburcioSais View Post
    The one true church

    July 3 2017 at 6:43 AM Hijo (Login hijo7591)

    Marks attendance
    Fingerprints members
    Expels members for asking a question refusing to be fingerprinted
    Knocks down houses with people still inside
    Detains or even kidnaps people
    Counts how much money you gave
    Has the same lesson every time


    Yes the one true church

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    Hijo
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    INC true believer - What convinces you? What makes you believe?

    July 3 2017, 12:18 PM

    Can you explain?

    I don't think you have anything but blind faith in Manalo? What else??????
    Deacon646
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    Regarding the fingerprinting comment

    July 4 2017, 1:44 AM

    That is not something they have ever tried to do here in the US, at least to my knowledge.
    Is it a Philippines thing? Maybe privacy laws prevent them from doing it, just as the IRS
    prevents them from telling people who to vote for unless they change their tax status.



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    Kim Jong Il
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    Illegal Fingerprinting

    July 4 2017, 8:32 AM

    They have done this in Australia & specifically expelled a family as they did not comply
    with the finger printing.


    Good article by AE

    https://incsilentnomore.com/2016/12/...ilent-no-more/

    INC is in breach of the Australian privacy act but do not care & are also to incompetent to
    understand the ramifications.

  9. #749
    Ryrie misquote

    September 21 2005 at 5:30 AM HiJo (Login bertfrog)

    Does anyone remember?

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    discoverer

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    It's right here FYI

    September 21 2005, 5:56 AM

    follow this link:

    http://www.examineiglesianicristo.com/honesty3.html


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    HiJo
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    How do you account for this fraud INC man

    September 22 2005, 2:33 AM
    ?

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    HiJo
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    Not one INC put his hand up to tackle this one

    July 5 2017, 9:33 AM

    That was back in the days when there were plenty of INC's buzzing around this website. Now the INC is crumbling on its rotten foundations and the INC supporters here are limited to Wayne and Tomas.


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    Tomas
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    I am not an automatic INC supporter. I support the INC only when it is right, and I oppose

    July 5 2017, 1:10 PM

    it when it is wrong. And certainly it is badly led.

  10. #750
    Johnsonville, Connecticut

    July 8 2017 at 1:03 AM underarmour (Login underarmour)

    Why....publicity maybe?


    http://www.courant.com/news/connecti...707-story.html

    http://www.nbcconnecticut.com/news/l...433178643.html

    http://wtnh.com/2017/07/07/church-bu...-johnsonville/

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    Iam1plus1plus1
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    Money wasted...

    July 8 2017, 6:12 AM

    That money could of been used to help brethren in the Philippines. The ones who need it most.
    Why does the church need to buy ANOTHER ghost town. What's it's purpose.. they aren't saying
    anything about it's future plans. I can't believe members are still buying these lies and not evening
    questioning why this was bought! WTF, WAKE UP!!


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    John Snow
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    Re: Money wasted...

    July 8 2017, 2:26 PM

    This is certainly very curious as there is no oil or pipelines to be happening in southern
    Connecticut. One article says for a retreat for members? Really?


    I read another where it claims that the church owns numerous properties in New England?
    Other than their 7 churches in New England, what other properties do they own?

    Looking at their own directory for New England, New York and New Jersey, their congregation
    listing is laughable. Some of these "congregations" have services held in people's homes.
    The one in Rochester is not much more than a double wide trailer that is styled as a church
    and looks very run down. The one in Londonderry, NH is held at a Lion's Club. Atlantic City
    is rented out at a Howard Johnson hotel. Albany, NY is in a person's home and the minister
    (or he may just be a deacon) has to drive all the way from Woodbury, NY for only one meeting
    a week. Brighton Beach, NY is held at a Knights of Columbus that has a huge painted mural
    with a cross on the outside wall(Least not forget that Knights of Columbus is a CATHOLIC
    organization. Would INC ever allow Catholics to have worship service in one of their venues?
    Absolutely not!). Syracuse, NY in an old professional building. The one in Bergen, NY is at a
    VFW Hall. Central New Jersey is held in a Fire Hall. Elizabeth, New Jersey in a house. Belleville,
    NJ is held at an AMVETS. Whippany, New Jersey in an American Legion. The one in Wrightstown,
    New Jersey is the size of a child's playhouse with a miniature classic INC church face. Cranston,
    Rhode Island is rented in a professional building.

    So, my point is...is this really a successful church FOR members? Heck no. Otherwise, if they
    had the following they claim here in the US, they would use money to build churches for their
    existing congregations. INC has been in the US for over 70 years and they can not grow through
    any means other than immigration and births. No consequential growth anyway. You might get
    a desperate white guy or some crazy non-filipino loon to join but that is very rare.


    Do they buy these properties because they are expecting the INC doomsday at some point?
    Or do they really intend these as religious retreats? These "ghost towns" or small run down villages
    they buy could be great places for the rich INC to hide when all crumbles.


    WAKE UP MEMBERS OF IGLESIA NI MANALO! This is for their own good, not yours!
    You are in a false church!

    And for Tomas, even if they did preach the gospel, they are only USING the Word of God to
    enrich their own lives. There is no salvation in that. The members are fooled and need to get out.


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    Eric
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    I agree wholeheartedly but Elizabeth NJ is not in a house. My wife there many years

    July 8 2017, 2:42 PM

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    Eric
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    INC has a church there. I met my wife there in Elizabeth

    July 8 2017, 2:43 PM

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    John Snow
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    Re: INC has a church there. I met my wife there in Elizabeth

    July 8 2017, 4:15 PM

    How many years ago was that? It's been quite some time since I have been in that area.

  11. #751
    stupid members proud of village purchase

    July 10 2017 at 4:42 PM hoopdedoo (Login hoopdedoo)

    Idiot INC OWEs super proud and excited about CT town purchase and the "victories" of the church. This weeks lesson was another "one true church" and "membership is necessary for salvation" and obeying, and offering, etc.....

    the level of stupid it takes to actually buy into the INCs ******** is amazing.


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    Iam1plus1plus1
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    Not an ounce of critical thinking, whatever INC does they think it's amazing...

    July 10 2017, 6:38 PM

    I mean, come on... how hard is it to think about it. Why would the church spend almost 2 million dollars for a ghost town where that money could be going to chapels and breathren that need it. It's all a publicity stunt. They know they can't get members back in the Philippines so they need to show a good face in other countries. I'm wondering if the US news reporters that covered the buying of this town did their homework and researched the INC? Probably not. Also... what did they do with the FIRST ghost town they bought in Scenic, South Dakota?? They didn't do anything!!! and now they bought a second town? WTF!??

    But getting back into the non-thinking brethren. This is the epitome of blind faith and it's scary. I'm so glad and happier these days that I don't go to services any more. Thanks for the over view of the lesson hoopdedoo, and I see the lessons still haven't changed and I doubt they ever will. What do you guys think are the percentage of members that know something is wrong but don't act on it or just go with the flow? I think if everyone who thought that way just got together one day and took a stand, it would really make a difference in taking down this administration.

  12. #752
    When was debate of INC and Dr White over? Stay tuned for the answer

    July 9 2017 at 10:31 AM Eric (Login sheepfound)


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    Eric
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    At 58:11 when INC foolishly cited John 1:18 using the NASB

    July 9 2017, 10:37 AM


    I really cant believe how pathetic INC is.

    The debate was really over at this point

    when the stooges whose only purpose there was to

    show verses on the screen that would support INC's position

    They used NASB for John 1:18


    " No one has seen God at any time

    the only BEGOTTEN GOD who is in the bosom of the father

    He has explained HIM"


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    Tomas
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    So they made a little mistake, used NASB which has the translation 'the only begotten God'

    July 10 2017, 2:28 AM

    which was surely not written by John, as it could have been mistaken for God almighty, rather than his Son who can be called a god, and the Bible does not say he is God almighty. The Bible does not reveal whether he is God or not. But since the word of God came to him, he can be certainly called a god, John 10:35, so he could be called the only begotten god who is in the bosom of the Father. But some of the ancient Greek texts do not say that but say 'the only begotten Son' in 1:18, so that is surely what John wrote, so there would not be any confusion. After all, he was inspired by God, and God is not the author of confusion.

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    Eric
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    LITTLE mistake? The BEGOTTEN GOD was used by INC?

    July 10 2017, 2:47 AM

    This happened as they use so many different bible VERSIONS

    NOT translations

    that they used NASB so much that they used it when obviously


    they should have NOT!! lol


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    Tomas
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    Yes, everybody can make a mistake, nobody is perfect. If you want a perfect debate,

    July 10 2017, 2:51 AM

    then listen to a debate of the Father with his Son, they will both use perfect arguments and agree with each other. Of course nowadays we can't hear the Father or the Son, except for what is written in the Bible. But if we could listen to them debate, they would both be perfect and agree with each other.

  13. #753
    Am I the ONLY one sick of Tomas's CONSTANT backing of INC?

    July 10 2017 at 2:44 AM Eric (Login sheepfound)

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    Tomas
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    Be honest, I am not constantly backing INC. When they have a wrong doctrine,

    July 10 2017, 2:47 AM

    or corruption at the top, I criticize them.


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    John Snow
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    Re: Be honest, I am not constantly backing INC. When they have a wrong doctrine,

    July 11 2017, 2:35 AM

    While that may be at times, Tomas, you make all kinds of excuses for them and go on about how they preach the gospel. I don't know what gospel you are talking about though because it's not a Christian gospel.

  14. #754
    Quote Originally Posted by tiburcioSais View Post
    When was debate of INC and Dr White over? Stay tuned for the answer

    July 9 2017 at 10:31 AM Eric (Login sheepfound)


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    Eric
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    At 58:11 when INC foolishly cited John 1:18 using the NASB

    July 9 2017, 10:37 AM


    I really cant believe how pathetic INC is.

    The debate was really over at this point

    when the stooges whose only purpose there was to

    show verses on the screen that would support INC's position

    They used NASB for John 1:18


    " No one has seen God at any time

    the only BEGOTTEN GOD who is in the bosom of the father

    He has explained HIM"


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    Tomas
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    So they made a little mistake, used NASB which has the translation 'the only begotten God'

    July 10 2017, 2:28 AM

    which was surely not written by John, as it could have been mistaken for God almighty, rather than his Son who can be called a god, and the Bible does not say he is God almighty. The Bible does not reveal whether he is God or not. But since the word of God came to him, he can be certainly called a god, John 10:35, so he could be called the only begotten god who is in the bosom of the Father. But some of the ancient Greek texts do not say that but say 'the only begotten Son' in 1:18, so that is surely what John wrote, so there would not be any confusion. After all, he was inspired by God, and God is not the author of confusion.

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    Eric
    (Login sheepfound)

    LITTLE mistake? The BEGOTTEN GOD was used by INC?

    July 10 2017, 2:47 AM

    This happened as they use so many different bible VERSIONS

    NOT translations

    that they used NASB so much that they used it when obviously


    they should have NOT!! lol


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    Tomas
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    Yes, everybody can make a mistake, nobody is perfect. If you want a perfect debate,

    July 10 2017, 2:51 AM

    then listen to a debate of the Father with his Son, they will both use perfect arguments and agree with each other. Of course nowadays we can't hear the Father or the Son, except for what is written in the Bible. But if we could listen to them debate, they would both be perfect and agree with each other.
    It was not a mistake to cite the NASB verse. Had that been questioned, it would have made a great knockout punch from INC because "begotten" mean "born of a woman". The true God cannot be born as He was from everlasting to everlasting. It would also have contradicted NASB VERSE:

    Numbers 23:19
    New American Standard Bible (NASB)

    19 “God is not a man, that He should lie,
    Nor a son of man,
    that He should repent;
    Has He said, and will He not do it?
    Or has He spoken, and will He not make it good?

    So it is very clear that God is not a man NOR A SON OF MAN! The opponent did well in not questioning that!
    Last edited by KidlatNgayon; Jul 11, 2017 at 10:22 PM.

  15. #755
    john 1: 18 NASB

    No one has seen God at any time;

    the only

    begotten God

    who is in the bosom of the Father
    ,

    He has explained Him.


  16. #756
    Quote Originally Posted by tiburcioSais View Post
    john 1: 18 NASB

    No one has seen God at any time;

    the only

    begotten God

    who is in the bosom of the Father
    ,

    He has explained Him.

    https://d1hjm33yswheja.cloudfront.ne...logo-inc-g.png
    John 1:18 in other Bible versions:

    King James Bible
    No man hath seen God at any time; the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him.

    Holman Christian Standard Bible
    No one has ever seen God. The One and Only Son-- the One who is at the Father's side-- He has revealed Him.

    New Heart English Bible
    No one has seen God at any time. The only Son, who is at the Father's side, has made him known.

    GOD'S WORD® Translation
    No one has ever seen God. God's only Son, the one who is closest to the Father's heart, has made him known.

    Jubilee Bible 2000
    No man has seen God at any time; the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he has declared him.

    King James 2000 Bible
    No man has seen God at any time; the only begotten Son, who is in the bosom of the Father, he has declared him.

    American King James Version
    No man has seen God at any time, the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he has declared him.

    American Standard Version
    No man hath seen God at any time; the only begotten Son, who is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him .

    Douay-Rheims Bible
    No man hath seen God at any time: the only begotten Son who is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him.

    Darby Bible Translation
    No one has seen God at any time; the only-begotten Son, who is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared [him].

    English Revised Version
    No man hath seen God at any time; the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him.

    Webster's Bible Translation
    No man hath seen God at any time; the only begotten Son, who is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him.

    Weymouth New Testament
    No human eye has ever seen God: the only Son, who is in the Father's bosom--He has made Him known.

    World English Bible
    No one has seen God at any time. The one and only Son, who is in the bosom of the Father, he has declared him.

    Young's Literal Translation
    God no one hath ever seen; the only begotten Son, who is on the bosom of the Father -- he did declare.

    These translations MAKE MORE SENSE!

  17. #757
    Quote Originally Posted by KidlatNgayon View Post
    It was not a mistake to cite the NASB verse. Had that been questioned, it would have made a great knockout punch from INC because "begotten" mean "born of a woman". The true God cannot be born as He was from everlasting to everlasting. It would also have contradicted NASB VERSE:

    Numbers 23:19
    New American Standard Bible (NASB)

    19 “God is not a man, that He should lie,
    Nor a son of man,
    that He should repent;
    Has He said, and will He not do it?
    Or has He spoken, and will He not make it good?

    So it is very clear that God is not a man NOR A SON OF MAN! The opponent did well in not questioning that!
    Re: So they made a little mistake, used NASB which has the translation 'the only begotten God'

    July 11 2017 at 2:32 AM John Snow (Login TheOtherOzzy)


    Response to So they made a little mistake, used NASB which has the translation 'the only begotten God'

    You are such a ridiculous apologist for INC, Tomas! This is not a little mistake! This is purposely taking something out of context to back false teachings! They know damn well why they choose this bible version.

    Just like at the end of the debate, Ventilation wants to use the NLT to read John 13:19. Instead of acknowledging the Greek, he purposely uses a translation that will support the INC beliefs and NOT the truth. Ventilation was backed into a corner so much, the only thing he could say to White is "It's just your thinking he is applying Isaiah 43:10..." while he laughs nervously. Even Ventilation knows INC is a bunch of BS but bound to defend them. Thankfully, White calls him out on it. You could hear the brainwashed INC in the background groaning like White said something horrible.

    INC is not making any kind of "little mistake". They are very careful about which versions they use for each and every verse. The truth does not matter to them at all.

  18. #758
    Quote Originally Posted by tiburcioSais View Post
    Re: So they made a little mistake, used NASB which has the translation 'the only begotten God'

    July 11 2017 at 2:32 AM John Snow (Login TheOtherOzzy)


    Response to So they made a little mistake, used NASB which has the translation 'the only begotten God'

    You are such a ridiculous apologist for INC, Tomas! This is not a little mistake! This is purposely taking something out of context to back false teachings! They know damn well why they choose this bible version.

    Just like at the end of the debate, Ventilation wants to use the NLT to read John 13:19. Instead of acknowledging the Greek, he purposely uses a translation that will support the INC beliefs and NOT the truth. Ventilation was backed into a corner so much, the only thing he could say to White is "It's just your thinking he is applying Isaiah 43:10..." while he laughs nervously. Even Ventilation knows INC is a bunch of BS but bound to defend them. Thankfully, White calls him out on it. You could hear the brainwashed INC in the background groaning like White said something horrible.

    INC is not making any kind of "little mistake". They are very careful about which versions they use for each and every verse. The truth does not matter to them at all.
    FUNNY! Tiburcio is defending his point by posting the mocking comments of INC bashers! But you are right in posting somebody's comment that "INC is not making any kind of "little mistake". They are very careful about which versions they use for each and every verse. " Because we chhose the correct version that do not contradict other bible verses!

  19. #759
    They are inc no more, kid and so with this thread.

    Now, i am the one funny while in fact you keep
    on participating here.

    Re posted for all your inc indoctrinated ones that
    are now in quandary and for those already on
    the way out after that indefensible shameful
    blunder.

    Re: So they made a little mistake, used NASB which has the translation

    'the only begotten God'

    July 11 2017 at 2:32 AM John Snow (Login TheOtherOzzy)

    Response to So they made a little mistake, used NASB which has the
    translation 'the only begotten God'

    You are such a ridiculous apologist for INC, Tomas! This is not a
    little mistake
    ! This is purposely taking something out of context
    to back false teachings! They know damn well why they choose this
    bible version.

    Just like at the end of the debate, Ventilation wants to use the NLT
    to read John 13:19. Instead of acknowledging the Greek, he purposely
    uses a translation that will support the INC beliefs and NOT the truth.
    Ventilation was backed into a corner so much, the only thing he could
    say to White is "It's just your thinking he is applying Isaiah 43:10..."
    while he laughs nervously. Even Ventilation knows INC is a bunch of BS
    but bound to defend them. Thankfully, White calls him out on it.

    You could hear the brainwashed INC in the background groaning like
    White said something horrible.


    INC is not making any kind of "little mistake". They are very careful
    about which versions they use for each and every verse. The
    truth does not matter to them at all.

  20. #760
    John Snow
    (Login TheOtherOzzy)

    Re: Not an ounce of critical thinking, whatever INC does they think it's amazing...

    July 11 2017, 2:33 AM

    I can't wait to see what they DON'T do with this property. I can't want to see this "retreat"
    for members. Maybe they will serve Kool Aid.


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    SquirmINC
    (Login squirminc)

    Ghost Town Busters

    July 13 2017, 1:34 PM

    So I assume now that the Church's new aim is to buy up any ghost towns of the U.S. What
    makes this worrisome is that the leaders have diverted much needed money for repair and
    renewal of chapels, as well as purchasing permanent places of worship for extensions and
    local cong. that are still homeless. Another worrisome point is that the brethren, led by the
    district officers and Administration, are expected to jump up and down in apparent victory and
    excitement over this ghost town purchase. I don't know about you, but I genuinely get excited
    over news with substance and real information, such as why the ghost town was bought in the
    first place, and the intentions of the land. Instead, the Administration gives us nothing of the
    sort. All we know for certain is that the Administration used almost $2 million USD of Church
    money without letting anyone know why this transaction took place. And oh, don't forget to act
    very excited about it. How can this "excitement" by the brethren be considered genuine when
    they do not have any idea why this ghost town was bought? Just clap and be excited about it,
    I guess.

    One more worrisome aspect about this purchase is that this place has been abandoned for
    decades. How much more money must be poured into this property for any idea to get off
    the ground? Do they renovate and restore the buildings already in place? How much money
    will it cost to bring these building up to code after years of wear, tear, and neglect? Can't that
    money instead be used right now for restoration and repair of already existing chapels that
    brethren use daily? Or if these buildings are to be replaced by other buildings, how much will
    it cost to raze the place and start from scratch?

    If brethren can ignore the points I've brought up and cheer and clap anyway, what does that
    say about our critical thinking skills?


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    Iam1plus1plus1
    (Login Ador_De_Leon)

    The blind faith is ridiculous...

    July 13 2017, 2:22 PM

    It's truly is. I can't understand the mind set of someone that think this is all great and all.
    Let me try to put it into an analogy:

    Let's say my generous relative gives me money to fix my car that works great but needs
    repairs here and there, and maintenance. But instead I use that money to buy a broken,
    used car that needs a lot to even function. And for 6 YEARS after I bought that broken,
    used car I didn't do anything with it. Then with the same money my relative gives me I
    buy a SECOND broken, used car that needs even more work to even function. WTF?!
    What would that relative think of me? Oh I know what they would think of me... they
    would think I was the greatest thing since sliced bread and praise me for my awesome
    work at buying useless broken cars instead of fixing my current car that I need to even
    function.

    Tell me if that's a good analogy or not of what they are doing. It's just plain idiotic.

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