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Barangay Ginebra Kings: Thread XXIV

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  • Greenarrow12Greenarrow12 Hail! Hail! Hail! PEx Influencer ⭐⭐⭐

    All the numbers that define the greatness of coach Tim Cone

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    METHINKS there is no doubt as to who the greatest PBA coach of all-time is.

    Last Friday evening at the Mall of Asia Arena, Earl Timothy Cone, or coach Tim to almost all of us, won his 22nd PBA championship, steering Barangay Ginebra to a title-clinching 105-93 win over Meralco in Game 5 of their best-of-seven Finals for the 2019-20 PBA Governors Cup.

    It was the fourth straight season he has given the Kings at least one championship.

    Over the last eight seasons with the San Miguel Corp. group, Cone has won nine championships in 11 PBA Finals appearances, inclusive of his previous stint with the now-Magnolia franchise.

    Just how awesome is Cone’s collection of 22 titles? It is now seven ahead of the 15 of the late Virgilio “Baby” Dalupan, in whose honor the PBA Press Corps’ Coach of Year Trophy is named after.

    Among active head coaches, Cone's total is now exactly twice that of Meralco counterpart Norman Black’s 11.

    The 22 is also just five titles shy of the combined number of championships won by the rest of the active coaches in the PBA right now - Black’s 11, Leo Austria’s 8, Yeng Guiao’s 7 & Chito Victolero’s 1.

    Aside from Cone’s fourth title with Barangay Ginebra, he had previously won 13 with Alaska and five with San Mig Coffee/B-Meg, making him the only coach to win at least four titles with three different franchises. No other coach has won more than two championships with three different ballclubs.

    We don’t even need to mention that Cone is the only two-time grand slam-winning coach in the league - winning his first with Alaska in 1996 and his second with San Mig Coffee during the 2013-14 season.

    Cone’s most recent championship with the Kings was also already his ninth title overall in the PBA Governors' Cup alone, and third with Barangay Ginebra in the last four seasons. The Kings had previously never won in the Governors' Cup.

    Moreover, Cone’s nine Governors' Cup titles is just one shy of the COMBINED titles won by the rest of the other Governors Cup champion coaches with no coach having won more than two.

    Which teams has Cone’s teams beaten the most in the PBA Finals in his 22 championships? The San Miguel Beer franchise has been his most common victim, having won six of his titles at the Beermen’s expense.

    In effect, Cone’s nine titles won so far for the two SMC teams he’s coached (5 for San Mig Coffee/B-Meg & 4 for Brgy. Ginebra) are still two shy of the combined PBA Finals heartbreaks he’s given the three SMC teams while he was still with Alaska (6 for SMB/Petron, 3 for Purefoods and 2 for Ginebra).

    That recent PBA Finals win by the Kings and Cone over Meralco also kept the latter’s unbeaten streak over Black in a PBA Finals.

    Despite Cone’s coaching greatness, he isn’t actually that invincible in a PBA Finals, although his winning percentage is still impressive. Cone won his 22 titles in 34 PBA Finals stints, still an impressive 65 percent winning percentage.

    So which teams and coaches have proven to be 'supercoach' Cone’s ‘kryptonite’ in the PBA Finals? 

    Cone may have won three titles at the expense of Purefoods while still with Alaska, but he actually lost four times in the PBA Finals to the same franchise. So he hasn’t been exactly that successful against his current team’s Manila Clasico rival, at least in a championship series.

    Among the coaches who have had Cone’s number in the PBA Finals, fortunately for him, they are no longer coaching in the PBA right now. 

    Cone may have won three titles at Chot Reyes’ expense in a championship series, but he also lost thrice to Reyes - and against three different teams.

    And curiously if Black has yet to beat Cone in a PBA Finals, Cone himself never won in a PBA Finals against Ryan Gregorio, even suffering a 0-4 sweep - his only shutout loss of that kind -- when he was still with Alaska and the latter was still with Purefoods.

    And of the eight coaches which have beaten Cone in a PBA Finals, only two remain - Guiao and Austria.

    Cone isn’t about to slow down. He feels this current Barangay Ginebra squad is just beginning to show its potential with new guys Stanley Pringle and Art dela Cruz having just tasted their first championship and just getting into the groove, Japeth Aguilar slowly coming into his own, with Justin Brownlee always there and consistent with his numbers and other contributions and with veterans like Mark Caguioa, LA Tenorio and Joe Devance continuing to hold back Father Time.

    This early, Cone has set his sights on the Philippine Cup title which the Kings haven’t won in the last 13 years. It is also a conference he personally has won just once in the last 20 years (with San Mig Coffee in 2014).

    Even at 61 years old, Cone also seems bent on continuing to coach like his idol, the late Tex Winter, who coached until his late 80s.

    San Miguel Beer is the winningest franchise in the PBA with his 26 titles. Just four behind, Cone may also just break that record in the years to come.

  • Jess24Jess24 1225 PEx Expert 🎖️
    If Arth isn't going to be healthy enough to play the entire 2020 season, buti pang itrade na din yan. We need healthy bodies to reduce the mileage of our aging core. Last season, only LA, Scottie, Aljon and Japeth from the regular rotation were relatively healthy all year. And it does not help that Cone relies on a very short rotation lalo na sa Playoffs. Kung di ako nagkakamali, only Scottie and Aljon are in their 20s sa regular rotation - the rest are in their early 30s (Greg, Stan, Japeth) and mid to late 30s (LA, Jared, JDV, Chan, Raymond). May kwarenta pa in Pango :lol:
  • McQueen_95McQueen_95 Member PEx Influencer ⭐⭐⭐
    naopen din ang orig account ko congrats sa team eto yata ang most dominant championship run natin 2 losses lang the entire playoffs, may nagpost sa twitter na ienjoy na ni greg yung championship dahil last niya na sa ginebra yun tapos nilike ni Greg mukhang alam na niya
  • westhavenwesthaven Jedi apprentice PEx Influencer ⭐⭐⭐
    Since may tatlong rookies tayong paparating, sana magkusa nang magretire si Mark at JDV. No question, kaya pa naman talaga nilang maglaro. But there's nothing more to prove. Naka 8 chips na si Mark at 10 naman si JDV (grand slam pa nga). Pagbigyan naman sana nila yung mga bago. 
  • alleinstevenalleinsteven PEx Rookie ⭐
    naopen din ang orig account ko congrats sa team eto yata ang most dominant championship run natin 2 losses lang the entire playoffs, may nagpost sa twitter na ienjoy na ni greg yung championship dahil last niya na sa ginebra yun tapos nilike ni Greg mukhang alam na niya
    Anunng ginawa mo? 
  • alleinstevenalleinsteven PEx Rookie ⭐
    Kung hindi matutuloy ang CS-Greg, kailangan may matibay tayong PF, kung wala tayo mahahanap, delikado na namansi JDV ang sandalan. Imposible naman na rookie ang ipasok sa 1st five.. or mapilitan si CTC na pag sabayin twin tower, ang problema hirap tayo sa team like TNT or mags. 

    Ok ang line up, sa PG-SF, mahina ang PF position.
  • Greenarrow12Greenarrow12 Hail! Hail! Hail! PEx Influencer ⭐⭐⭐
    Mer in 6 yan champion coach din yang si NB abang lang kayo kay kapreng hugnatan mamaya
    Talunin pa rin si Jerwin sa MSW. :giggle::giggle: 


  • naopen din ang orig account ko congrats sa team eto yata ang most dominant championship run natin 2 losses lang the entire playoffs, may nagpost sa twitter na ienjoy na ni greg yung championship dahil last niya na sa ginebra yun tapos nilike ni Greg mukhang alam na niya

    Paano mo naopen yung old account mo kabs?
  • Greenarrow12Greenarrow12 Hail! Hail! Hail! PEx Influencer ⭐⭐⭐
    naopen din ang orig account ko congrats sa team eto yata ang most dominant championship run natin 2 losses lang the entire playoffs, may nagpost sa twitter na ienjoy na ni greg yung championship dahil last niya na sa ginebra yun tapos nilike ni Greg mukhang alam na niya
    Ang dikit lang na panalo natin eh vs SMB nung QF tas Game 1 ng finals tsaka game 1 ng finals. Other than that, tambakan na winning margin natin. Di bale ng di number one sa standings sa elimination pero me momentum papasok ng playoffs. Peaking at the right time ika nga ni Cone. 


    Eto yung tweet na nilike ni Greg. 
  • BeansDaPrinceBeansDaPrince Member PEx Influencer ⭐⭐⭐
    ^Greg needs to get his head into improving his skills hindi yung he cares too much as to what others are saying. Kung di yan matetrade he’s just gonna be Japeth’s back up. Very telling naman from the finals. Wala na talaga. 7 footer lang sya who can body up on JF and that’s it. 
  • Greenarrow12Greenarrow12 Hail! Hail! Hail! PEx Influencer ⭐⭐⭐
    ^Greg needs to get his head into improving his skills hindi yung he cares too much as to what others are saying. Kung di yan matetrade he’s just gonna be Japeth’s back up. Very telling naman from the finals. Wala na talaga. 7 footer lang sya who can body up on JF and that’s it. 
    And hindi na sya ginamit ni Cone nung second half nung game 5. More on mental issues na nangyari dito ke Greg. Kaya apektado performance, nagingat na maglaro sa takot na mainjured uli. Naalala ko game 3 nito lang kakatapos na finals eh pinagmumura si Greg ng mga katabi namin na Ginebra fans sa Araneta dahil tutukan na daw eh nganga pa rin.
  • cutey_kiangscutey_kiangs 生駒ちゃん PEx Influencer ⭐⭐⭐
    Basta ako trade boiboi pa rin. hahaha
  • jazzperjazzper In Your Mind PEx Influencer ⭐⭐⭐
    edited January 20
    Basta ako trade boiboi pa rin. hahaha
    Basta ako Art dela Cruz for Jason Perkins. Pang nangyari yan pwede na magretire si jdv and ginebra is now complete. Si Jarred Dillinger din pala may exit interview na with cone.
  • brunomamba24brunomamba24 PEx Rookie ⭐
    edited January 20
    Dami ng naka pilang fans umaga palang para sa victory party ng ginkings,kaya naman sa mga kabs ko wag nyo masyado patulan mga bading na dumadayo dito subok ko na mga yan puro kabadingan lang alam at pinaka yun  pag ka innget sa team naten sample nalang paki compare nalang yung awarding ceremony ng both teams. nasa youtube naman yun commissioner cup champ 2019 at governors champion nakita nyo naman yun crowd buong arena puno lahat ng ginebra fans yan ang nakaka innget , yung grandslam champion na pangalawa daw.. sa dami ng fan base e iilan lang naki celebrate ng awarding ng tropy  :lol: 
  • tiyo_panchotiyo_pancho Member PEx Guru 🎖️🎖️
    jazzper said:
    Basta ako trade boiboi pa rin. hahaha
    Basta ako Art dela Cruz for Jason Perkins. Pang nangyari yan pwede na magretire si jdv and ginebra is now complete. Si Jarred Dillinger din pala may exit interview na with cone.
    So no more jarred na pala next conf. Better sign and offer contracts to our rookies. 
  • Sino kaya ang beteranong player na mapupunta sa ginebra?
  • sa akin ang gusto ko mapunta sa ginebra si Mathew wright kapalit ni Aljon, Raymond Aguilar at Teytey.
  • PorkChop :o)PorkChop :o) Member PEx Influencer ⭐⭐⭐
    jazzper said:
    Basta ako trade boiboi pa rin. hahaha
    Basta ako Art dela Cruz for Jason Perkins. Pang nangyari yan pwede na magretire si jdv and ginebra is now complete. Si Jarred Dillinger din pala may exit interview na with cone.
    bakit may exit interview na si JD kay cone? meaning di na sya irerenew? o lahat ng tapos na ang contract mandatory yan? parang never heard mark sayn na meron syang exit interview kay cone
  • PorkChop :o)PorkChop :o) Member PEx Influencer ⭐⭐⭐
    sa akin ang gusto ko mapunta sa ginebra si Mathew wright kapalit ni Aljon, Raymond Aguilar at Teytey.
    i think aljon cemented his stay with ginebra with his performance against durham..
  • real13fast13real13fast13 Member PEx Influencer ⭐⭐⭐
    Siguro before sila mag bakasyon at nataon din na pa expired na contract ni jd pero sabi ni ctc relax so malang assurance yun na isasama sya ni ctc sa line up.

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