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Pope Francis tells gay man: 'God made you like this'

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“He told me, ‘Juan Carlos, that you are gay does not matter. God made you like this and loves you like this and I don’t care. The pope loves you like this. You have to be happy with who you are,’” Cruz told Spanish newspaper El País.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/may/20/pope-juan-carlos-cruz
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  • TrollmeisterTrollmeister PEx Veteran ⭐⭐
    hay naku Tsismis lang yan!  E diba mahilig gumawa ng intriga ang mga bakla para may pag-uusapan sila! 

    Parang si Boy Abundance at Vice Gandanghari   lol
  • effemeffem PEx Influencer ⭐⭐⭐
    ^probably but there is no denial coming from Vatican as of this post. 
  • phillyphilly Member PEx Expert 🎖️
    To deny that God loves everyone? Gay or not?

  • effemeffem PEx Influencer ⭐⭐⭐
    edited May 2018
    ^it is different, dont twist what the pope allegedly said to advance the narrative that you want to make. "God MADE you like this" is different from "God Loves you." although the pope also said to him that God loves him.

    The conservative and religious keep on perpetuating that God only MADE adam and eve not adam and steve. It has always been viewed that homosexuality and homosexual acts are sins and the pope admitting that God Made homosexuals means that God himself created that "sin".
  • vicmesarvicmesar Member PEx Guru 🎖️🎖️
    What's so shocking with the Pope's statement?
    Religious said EVERYTHING IS CREATED BY GOD
    (even the white part of a lizard's dung)

    So, what makes it shocking to believe
    that gay were created by God?
  • effemeffem PEx Influencer ⭐⭐⭐

    Pope Francis tells gay man: 'God made you like that and loves you like that

    https://edition.cnn.com/2018/05/21/europe/pope-francis-gay-comments-intl/index.html?utm_source=twCNN&utm_term=image&utm_content=2018-05-22T10:47:10&utm_medium=social

    Explain please the meaning of this. God made and loves the gays like that. Like what exactly? Like loving and having sex with other man? 
  • phillyphilly Member PEx Expert 🎖️
    We are all imperfect, and God loves us all. Same with the homosexual. It is up to us to live our lives striving to find how we can be more pleasing to God.
  • gotta lick itgotta lick it PEx Influencer ⭐⭐⭐
    vicmesar said:
    What's so shocking with the Pope's statement?
    Religious said EVERYTHING IS CREATED BY GOD
    (even the white part of a lizard's dung)

    So, what makes it shocking to believe
    that gay were created by God?
    God created the angel we now know as Lucy pHer. until Lucy decided to do the wrong thing.



    this is also the same situation with gays. God created men and women as males and females until they decided they are homosexuals. in short, our free will is designed for us to commit a sin against God.

    in short, we were made like that. makes sense bah?

    pasok Ateo.
  • ranger*gurlranger*gurl PEx Rookie ⭐
    vicmesar said:
    What's so shocking with the Pope's statement?
    Religious said EVERYTHING IS CREATED BY GOD
    (even the white part of a lizard's dung)

    So, what makes it shocking to believe
    that gay were created by God?
    God created the angel we now know as Lucy pHer. until Lucy decided to do the wrong thing.



    this is also the same situation with gays. God created men and women as males and females until they decided they are homosexuals. in short, our free will is designed for us to commit a sin against God.

    in short, we were made like that. makes sense bah?

    pasok Ateo.
    sorry honey but if you are straight there is no way you can choose to be attracted to the same sex.
  • effemeffem PEx Influencer ⭐⭐⭐
    vicmesar said:
    What's so shocking with the Pope's statement?
    Religious said EVERYTHING IS CREATED BY GOD
    (even the white part of a lizard's dung)

    So, what makes it shocking to believe
    that gay were created by God?
    God created the angel we now know as Lucy pHer. until Lucy decided to do the wrong thing.



    this is also the same situation with gays. God created men and women as males and females until they decided they are homosexuals. in short, our free will is designed for us to commit a sin against God.

    in short, we were made like that. makes sense bah?

    pasok Ateo.
    Free will? Gays dont decide to be homosexuals. Can you control your hard on? For straight man, can you choose to have a hard deeeck after seeing naked man? A straight man will get an automatic hard on after seeing a naked woman. It is NOT a matter of choice nor free will. 
  • TrollmeisterTrollmeister PEx Veteran ⭐⭐
    effem said:
    vicmesar said:
    What's so shocking with the Pope's statement?
    Religious said EVERYTHING IS CREATED BY GOD
    (even the white part of a lizard's dung)

    So, what makes it shocking to believe
    that gay were created by God?
    God created the angel we now know as Lucy pHer. until Lucy decided to do the wrong thing.



    this is also the same situation with gays. God created men and women as males and females until they decided they are homosexuals. in short, our free will is designed for us to commit a sin against God.

    in short, we were made like that. makes sense bah?

    pasok Ateo.
    Free will? Gays dont decide to be homosexuals. Can you control your hard on? For straight man, can you choose to have a hard deeeck after seeing naked man? A straight man will get an automatic hard on after seeing a naked woman. It is NOT a matter of choice nor free will. 
    Kadiri ka naman, siguro pati pwet ng aso pinatulan mo!     lol
  • gotta lick itgotta lick it PEx Influencer ⭐⭐⭐
    effem said:
    vicmesar said:
    What's so shocking with the Pope's statement?
    Religious said EVERYTHING IS CREATED BY GOD
    (even the white part of a lizard's dung)

    So, what makes it shocking to believe
    that gay were created by God?
    God created the angel we now know as Lucy pHer. until Lucy decided to do the wrong thing.



    this is also the same situation with gays. God created men and women as males and females until they decided they are homosexuals. in short, our free will is designed for us to commit a sin against God.

    in short, we were made like that. makes sense bah?

    pasok Ateo.
    Free will? Gays dont decide to be homosexuals. Can you control your hard on? For straight man, can you choose to have a hard deeeck after seeing naked man? A straight man will get an automatic hard on after seeing a naked woman. It is NOT a matter of choice nor free will. 
    so it is free will if a gay decides he is straight?? pero natural kapag ang lalaki nagsabi na bakla siya.

    your reasoning is not straight. homo double standard. ironic noh.

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  • effemeffem PEx Influencer ⭐⭐⭐
    I dont know about sabel gonzales. But can you ask him whether he does not get a hard on after seeing a naked man? Ask yourself, is getting a hard on free will? Do you choose to get a hard on?
  • gotta lick itgotta lick it PEx Influencer ⭐⭐⭐
    edited June 2018
    ^ his name is Mark Estephen.

    dont answer my question with another question.

    Mark used his free will to declare he is a man and not anymore a homosexual. then it is also free will that gives anybody the power to declare they are gay.
  • effemeffem PEx Influencer ⭐⭐⭐
    ^you can say anything like you are a straight man or you are a gay man but can he control his hard on? is having a hard on free will? 
  • TrollmeisterTrollmeister PEx Veteran ⭐⭐
    effem said:
    ^you can say anything like you are a straight man or you are a gay man but can he control his hard on? is having a hard on free will? 
    Of course, kung mapipigilan mo ang pagiging manyakis mo, mapipigilan mo rin ang pagtigas ng birdie mo!   :s
  • HermesTrismegistusHermesTrismegistus PEx Veteran ⭐⭐
    sabi nila, you are the master of your own life and yet you can't control/condition your hard-ons? [email protected] your bullsh1t.
  • kuya buboykuya buboy PEx Rookie ⭐
    gusto rin naman nilang lumigaya  :)
  • vicmesarvicmesar Member PEx Guru 🎖️🎖️
    Free Will is a much abused doctrine
    to exculpate God from blame or responsibility

    That God respects us so much
    such that God will not intervene in our exercise of free will
    That God respects free will because He created as in His Image

    IF God truly respect our free will
    THEN, there will be no STORIES like Noah's Flood,
    the killing of First Sons and the destruction of  Sodom and Gomorrah
    FOR God had violated the free wills of those VICTIMS who are INNOCENT
    (e.g., they follow the God's words to the letters; yet they died in the MERCIFUL [vengeful] hands of God)

    Free will is a doctrine that emphasizes INDIVIDUAL's responsibility
    while SIN, as theologians would say, has SOCIAL repercussions
    thus, the stories of Noah, First Sons and Sodom.

    No amount of SOPHISTRY however would justify
    the killings of innocent victims whose FREE WILLS were violated
    by the Image-Creator Himself

    What is my point?
    There is INCONSISTENCY in the doctrine of Free Will
    vis-a-vis the social concept of sin (social repercussions)
    Theologians will shift the blame to individuals
    when something seems ABHORRENT to the society
    BY POSITING or IMPOSING THE FREE WILL,
    thus, freeing God from any responsibility
    However,
    when there are DESTRUCTIVE social events or natural calamities
    resulting to MASSIVE violations of FREE WILLS and even death of the INNOCENTS
    Theologians do not blamed God for violating the Man's Free Will
    but would console us by saying "THERE MUST BE REASON...
    that the reason will be unfold according to God's Plan"

    Frankly I do not care about the REASON or for whatever God's Plan
    I care for and looking for the sense of FAIRNESS
    Respect of HUMANITY
    and even of ANIMAL'S RIGHTS (in the case of Noah's Story)

    By ANALOGY, you are an obedient son to your parents,
    yet when your sibling commits mistakes, you and your offending sibling
    were BOTH punished, e.g., parehas kayo kulong sa room or
    walang allowance for the day (something like that)
    I'm very sure you will ask your parents
    WHY ME?
    BAKIT PATI AKO?
    Mom and Dad, What's the REASON
    What are your PLANS?

    Conclusion: Free Will, for me, is an INTELLECTUAL BLACKHOLE,
    the hole is so huge and so black
    such that I can't see God's Image
    Yes Virginia, that in this "blackhole"
    I felt my "FREE WILL" is being VIOLATED




  • kuya buboykuya buboy PEx Rookie ⭐
    effem said:
    vicmesar said:
    What's so shocking with the Pope's statement?
    Religious said EVERYTHING IS CREATED BY GOD
    (even the white part of a lizard's dung)

    So, what makes it shocking to believe
    that gay were created by God?
    God created the angel we now know as Lucy pHer. until Lucy decided to do the wrong thing.



    this is also the same situation with gays. God created men and women as males and females until they decided they are homosexuals. in short, our free will is designed for us to commit a sin against God.

    in short, we were made like that. makes sense bah?

    pasok Ateo.
    Free will? Gays dont decide to be homosexuals. Can you control your hard on? For straight man, can you choose to have a hard deeeck after seeing naked man? A straight man will get an automatic hard on after seeing a naked woman. It is NOT a matter of choice nor free will. 
    so it is free will if a gay decides he is straight?? pero natural kapag ang lalaki nagsabi na bakla siya.

    your reasoning is not straight. homo double standard. ironic noh.

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    Jessica Bartolome | GMA News | January 27, 2018

    https://www.gmanetwork.com/news/lifestyle/content/641251/super-sireyna-queen-sabel-gonzales-now-living-as-a-man/story/
    Maganda cguro patuli na rin sya... :)

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