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  • Jasperbad wrote: »
    kailangang imulat ang mga LGBT sa kanilang mga mapanirang gawa at mga pang aabuso laban sa lipunan.

    Hindi lahat ng LGBTI ay mapanira at mapang-abuso.

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  • JasperbadJasperbad PEx Veteran ⭐⭐
    Hindi lahat ng LGBTI ay mapanira at mapang-abuso.

    [#]IsipIsipPaMore[/#] [#]HuwagLahatin[/#]



    hindi pa rin naintindihan ang aking mensahe. :glee:


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  • badJayebadJaye PEx Influencer ⭐⭐⭐
    It may sound "sosyal" because most of this are MAJOR issues on First World Countries. For the developing countries like ours, its not big yet since we are still preoccupied with major poverty problems.

    So... yes.. sosyal ka if you are very into it! :D
  • jeganrrjeganrr PEx Influencer ⭐⭐⭐
    I will up this thread.
  • crocopiecrocopie PEx Influencer ⭐⭐⭐
    Mas marami pang isyu at problema ang dapat pagtuunan ng pansin at paglaanan ng pondo at panahon ng gobyerno hindi ang pagkasal ng dalawang bekki. :glee:

    Feeling nyo naman api kayo lagi. :glee:
    Gustong pagbigyang sumali sa Ms. Universe.
    Gustong matawag na "woman" once nagpaputol ng ari.
    Gustong makasal sa kapwa bekki.
    Gustong may sariling CR.

    Takteng yan. Uunahin pa ba kayo?! :rotfl:
    Arte lang yan. :lol:

    Namamatay na sa gutom ang ibang mahihirap tapos kayo pa uunahin. :lol:

    Solusyunan muna ang kahirapan at matigil ang korapsyon bago dyan sa kapritso nyo.

    Oh good! You have the heart for the poor. Perhaps you would consider a donation to World Vision? End global hunger through this link: https://www.worldvision.org/donate
  • NilsNils PEx Influencer ⭐⭐⭐
    lol! These Liberal movements came after society developed enough that in can afford to consider these matters as the next important things. Developing countries will just stunt their growth if they spend time and resources on these things before they fix other more pressing problems. Prioritize things that would help more people become financially independent first. Handle these resource drains later when the country has excess resources to play with.
    So yes, pa-sosyal lang yang mga yan dito sa Pinas.
  • Sa Pinas dapat FOI ang priority! Susunod palakasin ang anti-trust laws! Nang mabawasan ang kurakot sa pamahalaan at pumasok ang puhunan galing sa ibang bansa!

    Susunod divorce at marriage equality....
  • NilsNils PEx Influencer ⭐⭐⭐
    Sa Pinas dapat FOI ang priority! Susunod palakasin ang anti-trust laws! Nang mabawasan ang kurakot sa pamahalaan at pumasok ang puhunan galing sa ibang bansa!

    Susunod divorce at marriage equality....

    FOI priority - Check! Unang araw pa lang tatang, may EO na. Tanungin mo yung mga trapo sa senado at congress bakit hanggang ngayon wala pang batas.
    Palakasin ang anti-trust laws - Malakas na, hindi lang ma-implement ng maayos because everyone is on the take. Ang mag squeal, kalaban nya ang lahat. Kung magkaroon ng death penalty ulit, baka may mag squeal na. Yung maisusumbong, matetepok. Hindi dadami ang kaaway ng squaler.
    Pumasok ang puhunan galing sa ibang bansa - nangyayari na yan! Kanya kanyang grants, aids at pledges ang iba't ibang bansa. Hindi lang yung traditional trading partners natin kundi nadagdagan pa ng mas maraming investors. May niluluto pang ma-modify ang 60-40 ownership rule kaya mas lalong dadagsa ang investors sa Pinas.

    Happy ka na ba sa admin dahil ginagawa nila yung mga naiisip mong dapat unahin? :naughty:
  • topnotch97topnotch97 PEx Influencer ⭐⭐⭐
  • Kent_21OKent_21O Member PEx Expert 🎖️
    Nils wrote: »
    lol! These Liberal movements came after society developed enough that in can afford to consider these matters as the next important things. Developing countries will just stunt their growth if they spend time and resources on these things before they fix other more pressing problems. Prioritize things that would help more people become financially independent first. Handle these resource drains later when the country has excess resources to play with.
    So yes, pa-sosyal lang yang mga yan dito sa Pinas.

    This!

    Liberal ideas are only for the rich countries, poor countries cannot afford to discuss these ideas. But it doesn't mean poor countries like Pinas should not follow these ideas. They are there for humanitarian reasons. Sa Pinas, pakialam nila sa humanitarian? climate change? equality? Eh bigas, trabaho at pabahay ang mas kelangan diyan.

    Yes, liberal ideas are sosyal because they are supported by "first world" mentality.
  • F-A SoldierF-A Soldier PEx Rookie ⭐
    Lahat naman ng mga modern things we do were once considered "liberal" ideas.

    If you read the actual documents written by politicians and world leaders trying to squash democracy (17th-18thc), they were really afraid at the time of these "liberal" ideas.

    Back then the same folks: church, the rich, the 'conservatives' were banging the gongs, talking about the end of the world as we know it. :glee:

    Look it's true that not all things that come out from the West or things we consider modern don't mean to apply to all countries and all situations, in the same way. That's true, but understand MAJORITY of all the things you now have and use are from "liberal" modern ideas once considered taboo at one point.

    If not the people that created them were. Ie if you're using the computer, mind that the father of modern computing is a gay man and the guy that started the world wide web (ie the dude that open sourced it from US military) is a liberal English scientist.

    As for "prioritize first" that's just a cop out excuse I hear all the time (like if they don't like a law to that someone's pushing, they'll say red herrings "but there's this blah blah for starving children, you must not be for starving children if you're for this" and funnily in a separate future discussion if you say "let's feed the children" they'll go no thanks it's their parents fault :glee: ie whatever works for their point then and there).

    It's true that there are certain things that developing countries need to work on...but that's assuming that it's a zero sum game and that govt.'s can only legislate one law at a time. :glee:

    It's like well..."we have to work on sewers first therefore we can't have free speech okay?"

    Most hilarious part is if you actually check the bureaucrats and the legislative does. If you look at their schedules (and how efficient their working ethics and efficiency in the chamber) and the laws the pass (including many that obviously aren't even forwarded past committees) many of them are BS fluffer paperwork. :glee: Seriously, read some of the law proposal that senators/representatives push forward that aren't read in the chamber. A lot of them are balognas. Yet for some reason the argument is "we have precious time we can't consider this right now".

    :glee:

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  • nikkilovenikkilove PEx Influencer ⭐⭐⭐
    the only liberal notion i dont support, is abortion.

    to me that is murder of an innocent child. kahit embryo pa lang yan, its already a living being...
  • NilsNils PEx Influencer ⭐⭐⭐
    Lahat naman ng mga modern things we do were once considered "liberal" ideas.

    If you read the actual documents written by politicians and world leaders trying to squash democracy (17th-18thc), they were really afraid at the time of these "liberal" ideas.

    Back then the same folks: church, the rich, the 'conservatives' were banging the gongs, talking about the end of the world as we know it. :glee:

    Look it's true that not all things that come out from the West or things we consider modern don't mean to apply to all countries and all situations, in the same way. That's true, but understand MAJORITY of all the things you now have and use are from "liberal" modern ideas once considered taboo at one point.

    If not the people that created them were. Ie if you're using the computer, mind that the father of modern computing is a gay man and the guy that started the world wide web (ie the dude that open sourced it from US military) is a liberal English scientist.

    As for "prioritize first" that's just a cop out excuse I hear all the time (like if they don't like a law to that someone's pushing, they'll say red herrings "but there's this blah blah for starving children, you must not be for starving children if you're for this" and funnily in a separate future discussion if you say "let's feed the children" they'll go no thanks it's their parents fault :glee: ie whatever works for their point then and there).

    It's true that there are certain things that developing countries need to work on...but that's assuming that it's a zero sum game and that govt.'s can only legislate one law at a time. :glee:

    It's like well..."we have to work on sewers first therefore we can't have free speech okay?"

    Most hilarious part is if you actually check the bureaucrats and the legislative does. If you look at their schedules (and how efficient their working ethics and efficiency in the chamber) and the laws the pass (including many that obviously aren't even forwarded past committees) many of them are BS fluffer paperwork. :glee: Seriously, read some of the law proposal that senators/representatives push forward that aren't read in the chamber. A lot of them are balognas. Yet for some reason the argument is "we have precious time we can't consider this right now".

    :glee:

    [#]Enfranchised[/#]

    It's not about what the politicians can be bothered to talk about. It's about resources that will be spent on these 'issues'.
    Just look at the software requirements right now in the first world. They require accessibility for disabled people. Do you know how many man-hours is needed to make each and every user accessible page in an ERP to become blind-friendly? There are ERP software out there with thousands of pages and each and everyone has to be checked if a blind user can easily navigate and use them. It would be much cheaper and logical in a developing country to have someone assist a blind user instead of putting up that requirement for government software. I sincerely doubt that there would be non-first world countries who would be giving blind people data entry positions or admin positions for their software systems.
    Another example is 'humanitarian jails'. That's funny. Why make the the punishment lighter? Why make the inmates' lives better? They already eat 3 times a day and have a roof over their heads and thousands of law abiding citizens can't even afford both. Where would a government spend its resources? On the liberal idea that prisoners should be treated better or helping those later and saving them from turning into criminals?
  • Joseph20102011Joseph20102011 PEx Rookie ⭐
    With the advent of globalization and internet, all countries including poor ones should implement social changes aside from economic ones because economic prosperity alone doesn't assure that citizens will be happy and satisfied. Conservatism belongs to the Jurassic era.
  • F-A SoldierF-A Soldier PEx Rookie ⭐
    Nils wrote: »
    It's not about what the politicians can be bothered to talk about. It's about resources that will be spent on these 'issues'.
    Just look at the software requirements right now in the first world. They require accessibility for disabled people. Do you know how many man-hours is needed to make each and every user accessible page in an ERP to become blind-friendly? There are ERP software out there with thousands of pages and each and everyone has to be checked if a blind user can easily navigate and use them. It would be much cheaper and logical in a developing country to have someone assist a blind user instead of putting up that requirement for government software. I sincerely doubt that there would be non-first world countries who would be giving blind people data entry positions or admin positions for their software systems.
    Another example is 'humanitarian jails'. That's funny. Why make the the punishment lighter? Why make the inmates' lives better? They already eat 3 times a day and have a roof over their heads and thousands of law abiding citizens can't even afford both. Where would a government spend its resources? On the liberal idea that prisoners should be treated better or helping those later and saving them from turning into criminals?

    But who's asking for the advance technology that even mid-income "Western liberal" countries or parts of countries (ie states) don't even have? :glee:

    All "Liberal Western ideas" = always depicted as expensive innovations therefore they shouldn't be considered (guise of financial reality).

    There's MANY ideas and implementation of those ideas that aren't expensive (some don't even require anything at all just deregulation which actually means take away resources used to regulate them to be input in other areas instead).

    Do you need that much 'software' and man hours to let two gay doodz get a piece of paper signed by a judge? :glee:

    And that's the tactic of people to derail many of these as a whole, by picking A CRAZY NICHE kind or version of "Western liberal idea" that's almost impossible for countries to make so that they can make them look ridiculous as a whole.

    Like "humanitarian jails"...nobody is asking for Scandinavian-type jails (ie hotels), maybe just jails that actually stick to the building capacity it's intended to hold (like dictated by the law)?

    Not only is it NOT safe for inmates they're also NOT safe for guards (too many inmates for guards ratio = chance of riot or escape or fire).

    Nobody is asking perhaps an arraignment and or court date in a couple of days (the US generally can but maybe not the Philippines), but maybe not a couple of years? :glee:

    And really at the end of the day it's a joke because the "money saved" on skimping on them ARE NEVER USED towards what they sympathize the listeners.

    For example, again a common thing used by people here (usually conservatives) "why are we doing this and that when we have homeless people here..." to garner sympathy for whatever argument that is, for the moment.

    When in reality when these very same people IF a proposition was to give poor people benefits etc, they'll be the first ones to say "fck them teach them personal responsibilities" :glee:

    It's the same way the kind BS arguments that go on "oh but we could use these to feed the needy..."

    But after the fact, when it comes to arguing to feed the needy the very first thing that will be uttered is "they don't deserve it."

    Let's be honest, if you look at the nitty gritty, item by line item spending, it will never be spent on whatever sympathetic Maalala Mo Kaya typically used as counter argument, it will be spent on whatever top priority set really by bureaucrats and experts (most of which will NOT really change much because they're all pretty much align on the same schools of thought and conventional view of running things and limitations of actual projections and assets) not even specific govt, most of the govt no matter who leads it, spend about the same and mostly on the same things on the larger scheme of things---for example touted infrastructure spending, that's already set awhile ago as a target---a couple of years ago----and although higher, it's only by 5%---not the 2+% of GDP bragged about before (although to give the credit, they might pull it off later).

    Most of which is debt payment, the rest of the spending are (more) utangz/deficit spending.

    So unless it's a super huge and super prioritized big ticket item that is super guaranteed to be dispersed (with a risk of destroying Philippine economy), to guarantee funding for a little this for a little that, is not really gonna change much.

    :glee:

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  • mothra_hatermothra_hater PEx Influencer ⭐⭐⭐
    Same sex marriage

    Divorce

    Legalization of abortion

    Contraception

    Legalization of marijuana

    Euthanasia

    Legalization of gambling/ prostitution

    Right to be topless

    Full front feminism

    Full LGBT support

    All organized religion sucks

    Atheism is the best

    At kung ano ano pa...



    Feeling sosyal ba o feeling intellectual ang mga Filipino sa suma samg ayon sa karmihan mga ideya na ito na nagsimula sa kanluran? O may dahilan naman? Ano opinyon niyo?

    No. Hindi sila feeling sosyal or intellectual. Mga Bandwangoners sila :glee: 'yung iba hindi naman nila alam ang tungkol sa mga 'yan. Nakikisabay lang sa agos ng mga usap-usapan.
  • jeganrrjeganrr PEx Influencer ⭐⭐⭐
    nikkilove said:
    the only liberal notion i dont support, is abortion.

    to me that is murder of an innocent child. kahit embryo pa lang yan, its already a living being...
    Meaning hindi ka na pabor sa death penalty?Hindi ba the abolishment of death penalty is a liberal notion?
  • gotta lick itgotta lick it PEx Influencer ⭐⭐⭐

    sosyal = liberal
    liberal = dilawan
    dilawan = sosyal



    winner!!!!
  • Juan Plus OneJuan Plus One PEx Influencer ⭐⭐⭐
    It maybe sosyal but undeniably dangerous.
      
    Look at California, a state run by liberal clowns, becoming a third world sh1thole every passing day. 
  • nikkilovenikkilove PEx Influencer ⭐⭐⭐
    parang di feel ang liberal agenda sa isang third world country... :lol:
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