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They are known as "Kombat Pilipinas" and they claim to be Filipino Nationalists / National Socialists?

What is there agenda for creating such group?

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  • boom_boxboom_box PEx Influencer ⭐⭐⭐
    I'd say.. They are bunch of twats..
    Thinking that socialist state is good.
  • Herr_StarrHerr_Starr PEx Influencer ⭐⭐⭐
    Considering the Nazi salute shown in the pictures, I'd say the socialist tag is secondary to some other attributes.
  • kelunjikelunji PEx Influencer ⭐⭐⭐
    Mga *****. If they even have a hint of what Nazism means, they should know that people like us (Filipinos) would be nothing more than slaves under Nazis. Pa-salu-saludo pa kunwari.
  • That is so funny. Brown skin filipinos doing the Nazi salute.

    As far as the Nazis are concern, filipinos are brown skin monkeys whose entire race should be decimated inside the gas chambers. Everytime a pinoy does that salute (or have a Nazi fetish), that's a good example of someone f*cking themselves.
  • bryuscarpiusbryuscarpius PEx Veteran ⭐⭐
    The Philippines has turned socialist a long time ago. If you think our Constitution is not socialist, read it again.
  • paenggoypaenggoy PEx Influencer ⭐⭐⭐
    PH is not socialist but mostly free market capitalist.
  • IMHO, the closest that the Philippines has gotten to Socialism was during the Marcos years. Lahat na lang ng bagay pinilit magka-government office, agency or GOCC. It actually begs the question, "where did he get all the money for that?"

    Ang baba ng tax rate dati. Walang ring VAT. The infra he left with us was definitely worth more than the national debt of $26B in '86.
  • blue_tracerblue_tracer PEx Influencer ⭐⭐⭐
    for years may rasyon sa mga govt. officials sa time ni marcos. sa mga probinsiya. im not sure kung ganun din ang case sa mga cities (?)

    yung rasyon (once in every 2 months?) na small box may laman na cough syrup, biogesic, diatabs, enervon-c, etc. pero white-red-blue ang label. komo 'di naman nauubos ng iba, binibigay na lang sa mga barangay ang sobra.
  • bryuscarpiusbryuscarpius PEx Veteran ⭐⭐
    Free market ba kung gobyerno ang magsasabi ng pwede mong gawin sa property mo, anong pwede mong gawing trabaho, saan ka pwedeng bumili ng supplies, anong dapat na presyo, etc? Private property is just an illusion cause you always have to ask the gov for pemit. Can you call that your own if you cant control it? Free means free but read the Economy & Patrimony part of the Constitution if you think its a free market.
  • tsktsk. another bunch of poser thugs.
  • paenggoypaenggoy PEx Influencer ⭐⭐⭐
    Free market ba kung gobyerno ang magsasabi ng pwede mong gawin sa property mo, anong pwede mong gawing trabaho, saan ka pwedeng bumili ng supplies, anong dapat na presyo, etc? Private property is just an illusion cause you always have to ask the gov for pemit. Can you call that your own if you cant control it? Free means free but read the Economy & Patrimony part of the Constitution if you think its a free market.

    What you are looking for is something similar to anarchy, i.e., you take something by force, and that thing now belongs to you. If it belonged to someone else, then he will have to take it from you by force because there is no law or government to help him. And the situation can be reversed.

    In this case, we have a free market that's validated by government that works for those who are strongest. That is, in a free market, some become stronger than others due to capitalism. Eventually, they take over the economy and the government works for them. Whatever laws you have to follow are based on a social contract, e.g., you need a "permit" from the government to own something, but that government has to form police and government forces as well as legal systems to protect your rights, and you cannot take what belongs to someone else by force except for legal reasons. Of course, the same problem can take place when the government or the elite go against the law, or form laws in their favor.
  • bryuscarpiusbryuscarpius PEx Veteran ⭐⭐
    paenggoy wrote: »
    What you are looking for is something similar to anarchy, i.e., you take something by force, and that thing now belongs to you. If it belonged to someone else, then he will have to take it from you by force because there is no law or government to help him. And the situation can be reversed.

    In this case, we have a free market that's validated by government that works for those who are strongest. That is, in a free market, some become stronger than others due to capitalism. Eventually, they take over the economy and the government works for them. Whatever laws you have to follow are based on a social contract, e.g., you need a "permit" from the government to own something, but that government has to form police and government forces as well as legal systems to protect your rights, and you cannot take what belongs to someone else by force except for legal reasons. Of course, the same problem can take place when the government or the elite go against the law, or form laws in their favor.

    I dont know why you have mistaken my message to suggest anarchy. I didnt say anyone can steal. Im saying is we don't have free market cause youre not free if you have to ask government permission for your every move. Free market means everyone can make contracts with everyone. That doesn't give us right to steal cause that violates the property right of the victim. The role of gov is to protect rights & punish those who will violate others rights.*

    The free market, not the gov, will sort out the strong and the crappy players in the market cause the better players will profit and grow while the crappy ones will go bankrupt. I think your saying that if gov will not intervene, free market will eventually lead to monopolies. Monopolies are created not by free markets but by governments. All monopolies in history are creatures of the gov. Monopolies will not survive in a free market.

    Our social contract is we will respect each others rights and the gov will exist to protect our rights. To manage the economy means to choose for everyone which means we can't choose for ourselves. Thats what makes this country socialist. We're not free to choose. It's all up to the government to decide. It should protect our right to liberty diba? Bat ganto?
  • paenggoypaenggoy PEx Influencer ⭐⭐⭐
    I dont know why you have mistaken my message to suggest anarchy. I didnt say anyone can steal. Im saying is we don't have free market cause youre not free if you have to ask government permission for your every move. Free market means everyone can make contracts with everyone. That doesn't give us right to steal cause that violates the property right of the victim. The role of gov is to protect rights & punish those who will violate others rights.*

    There's no such thing as a free market because, as you just pointed out, you have to make contracts with others (and have them recognized by others, like a government, unless you take it up to yourself to enforce those contracts) and you need a government to protect your rights (unless you have to do so yourself). Now, think of a situation where you have to enforce those contracts yourself and protect yourself from others with no government to help. If that is a free market, then I say it's no different from anarchy.

    The free market, not the gov, will sort out the strong and the crappy players in the market cause the better players will profit and grow while the crappy ones will go bankrupt. I think your saying that if gov will not intervene, free market will eventually lead to monopolies. Monopolies are created not by free markets but by governments. All monopolies in history are creatures of the gov. Monopolies will not survive in a free market.

    Eventually, those who become stronger take over, and they will control even government. That is why the government works essentially for the elite and in several cases its high officials are even part of, work with, or are related to, the elite.

    Thus, it is not monopolies that don't survive in a free market. Rather, a free market leads to the conditions that make monopolies possible. If you see any competition take place, it usually involves one between elites or large businesses. In several cases, they eventually form cartels or work with each other.

    Our social contract is we will respect each others rights and the gov will exist to protect our rights. To manage the economy means to choose for everyone which means we can't choose for ourselves. Thats what makes this country socialist. We're not free to choose. It's all up to the government to decide. It should protect our right to liberty diba? Bat ganto?

    A social contract essentially works against a free market, where there are no rights. Rather, those who are stronger take over.

    Management of an economy doesn't necessarily mean "[choosing] for everyone," and "[choosing] for ourselves" doesn't necessarily mean the absence of such management.

    The Philippines is not socialist but mostly free market capitalist, with the elite free to do as they wish most of the time. I don't know where you got the idea that you are not free to choose in PH or that the government has to decide. My understanding is that there are a few cases where this takes place, but overall Filipinos are free to choose their jobs, to go to other countries, etc. Factors that generally restrict them are not part of government intervention but of finances, which are part of a capitalist system.
  • manilaB wrote: »
    IMHO, the closest that the Philippines has gotten to Socialism was during the Marcos years. Lahat na lang ng bagay pinilit magka-government office, agency or GOCC. It actually begs the question, "where did he get all the money for that?"

    Ang baba ng tax rate dati. Walang ring VAT. The infra he left with us was definitely worth more than the national debt of $26B in '86.
    Populist, Socialist or rather Nationalist nga mga patakaran ni Makoy.

    Yung mga debt nayan karamihan pa mga debt ng mga private corporations to build the Makati skyline at carryover ng debt ng Macapagal admin. At lumobo pa yan dahil na rin sa IMF-WB forced peso devaluation during 1971 shift from fixed to floating exchange rate (end of Bretton-woods). And so, san galing ang pinanggastos nya? Sinabihan ba naman syang nagnakaw di ba? Karampot na base compensation daw ay ninakaw daw. Biggest thief sabi nga sa Guiness. Na demonize sya both by local and global mainstream media. Bakit kaya galit na galit ang the Corporation(codename ng Trilateral Commission) sa kanya? May kinalaman ba ang mga ginto ng Collateral Account which they termed as the Yamashita treasure?

    Ang mga di na lang nagawa ni Makoy ay ang pagkakaruon ng Nationalist ideology para may continuity kasi nuong nawala sya balik lang agad sa oligarch control, pro globalist, and pro-Free Trade. At ang pagkakaruon ng completely independent na Nationalized Central Bank in the tradition of FDR's New Deal using Hamiltonian economics. Mga NATO forces na mga galamay ng Roths-child controlled Financial mafia have destroyed Libya's Central Bank, formerly one of those few left outside of the control of the Global monetarist Financial Mafia.

    Bakit nga ba pag makabansa(Nationalist) at para sa masa(Populist), tinuturing na Komunista o Kaliwa? Para manaig ang Status Quo na pro-global at pro-free trade na sistema na hawak din naman sa leeg ng Global Financial mafia? Gaya nga nung sabihin ni Serge Osmena ang mga UP economists na nagising sa katotohanan na palpak daw ang Epira ay tinuring niya ang mga ito na mga makaliwa o komunista. E Palpak naman talaga ang privatization na sinusulong nila sa Power Sector. Mag iisang dekada na pero lumaki lang ang utang ng Napocor dahil sa stranded debt sa onerous IPP contracts kahit na ibenta na halos lahat ang mga di naman talagang nalulugi ngunit sadyang pinabayaan na Power assets. Naalala ko tuloy ang sabi nila pag privatize na yan mumura daw ang kuryente. How can there be competition e virtually monopolistic cartel ang power sector? Dapat sa publiko na kinakatawan ng gobyerno ang mga iyan.
  • Populist, Socialist or rather Nationalist nga mga patakaran ni Makoy.

    Yung mga debt nayan karamihan pa mga debt ng mga private corporations to build the Makati skyline at carryover ng debt ng Macapagal admin. At lumobo pa yan dahil na rin sa IMF-WB forced peso devaluation during 1971 shift from fixed to floating exchange rate (end of Bretton-woods). And so, san galing ang pinanggastos nya? Sinabihan ba naman syang nagnakaw di ba? Karampot na base compensation daw ay ninakaw daw. Biggest thief sabi nga sa Guiness. Na demonize sya both by local and global mainstream media. Bakit kaya galit na galit ang the Corporation(codename ng Trilateral Commission) sa kanya? May kinalaman ba ang mga ginto ng Collateral Account which they termed as the Yamashita treasure?

    Ang mga di na lang nagawa ni Makoy ay ang pagkakaruon ng Nationalist ideology para may continuity kasi nuong nawala sya balik lang agad sa oligarch control, pro globalist, and pro-Free Trade. At ang pagkakaruon ng completely independent na Nationalized Central Bank in the tradition of FDR's New Deal using Hamiltonian economics. Mga NATO forces na mga galamay ng Roths-child controlled Financial mafia have destroyed Libya's Central Bank, formerly one of those few left outside of the control of the Global monetarist Financial Mafia.

    Bakit nga ba pag makabansa(Nationalist) at para sa masa(Populist), tinuturing na Komunista o Kaliwa? Para manaig ang Status Quo na pro-global at pro-free trade na sistema na hawak din naman sa leeg ng Global Financial mafia? Gaya nga nung sabihin ni Serge Osmena ang mga UP economists na nagising sa katotohanan na palpak daw ang Epira ay tinuring niya ang mga ito na mga makaliwa o komunista. E Palpak naman talaga ang privatization na sinusulong nila sa Power Sector. Mag iisang dekada na pero lumaki lang ang utang ng Napocor dahil sa stranded debt sa onerous IPP contracts kahit na ibenta na halos lahat ang mga di naman talagang nalulugi ngunit sadyang pinabayaan na Power assets. Naalala ko tuloy ang sabi nila pag privatize na yan mumura daw ang kuryente. How can there be competition e virtually monopolistic cartel ang power sector? Dapat sa publiko na kinakatawan ng gobyerno ang mga iyan.

    re power sector, maraming puwedeng arguments to justify privatization pero ang promotion of competition ay hindi isa doon. capital intensive na industriya yan. natural, mayaman lang ang pupuwedeng pumasok. laro parin ng elite. in our case, irresponsible elite.
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    They are known as "Kombat Pilipinas" and they claim to be Filipino Nationalists / National Socialists?

    What is there agenda for creating such group?

    This is a "Third Positionist" group..... National Syndicalist or "Corporativist", for a type of "socialism" that is non-marxist (for class cooperation rather than class warfare), based on the principle of vertical trade unionism, and for a nationalist form of capitalism aimed at economic autarky vs debt slavery under multinational private banking conglomerates.

    The purpose is to provide a "Third Positionist" political voice in the Philippines.....legal, non-violent.
  • 4Wheeler wrote: »
    That is so funny. Brown skin filipinos doing the Nazi salute.

    As far as the Nazis are concern, filipinos are brown skin monkeys whose entire race should be decimated inside the gas chambers. Everytime a pinoy does that salute (or have a Nazi fetish), that's a good example of someone f*cking themselves.

    If so the "democratic" Americans were not far behind in the superior white man thing in those days either. AND JUST THINK, IT WAS THEY WHO DIRECTLY COMMITTED GENOCIDE TO US FILIPINOS AND YET WE STILL LOVE THEM SO MUCH TODAY. NOR DO THEY HAVE ANY REAL REGRETS HAVING DONE IT TILL THIS VERY DAY!

    Now, to be fair, nazi germany wasn't all that crass in their treatment of Filipinos during the 1936 Berlin olympics........

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  • If so the "democratic" Americans were not far behind in the superior white man thing in those days either. AND JUST THINK, IT WAS THEY WHO DIRECTLY COMMITTED GENOCIDE TO US FILIPINOS AND YET WE STILL LOVE THEM SO MUCH TODAY. NOR DO THEY HAVE ANY REAL REGRETS HAVING DONE IT TILL THIS VERY DAY!

    Now, to be fair, nazi germany wasn't all that crass in their treatment of Filipinos during the 1936 Berlin olympics........

    http://www.freeimagehosting.net/t/okm8n.jpg

    I hope you will not be too frustrated with those who adhere to the Hollywood image of NAZI Germany. Even media outlets, such as The History Channel that are supposed to be neutral, are teeming with biases. That's just how the world works, the victors write history.
  • paenggoypaenggoy PEx Influencer ⭐⭐⭐
    Populist, Socialist or rather Nationalist nga mga patakaran ni Makoy.

    Yung mga debt nayan karamihan pa mga debt ng mga private corporations to build the Makati skyline at carryover ng debt ng Macapagal admin. At lumobo pa yan dahil na rin sa IMF-WB forced peso devaluation during 1971 shift from fixed to floating exchange rate (end of Bretton-woods). And so, san galing ang pinanggastos nya? Sinabihan ba naman syang nagnakaw di ba? Karampot na base compensation daw ay ninakaw daw. Biggest thief sabi nga sa Guiness. Na demonize sya both by local and global mainstream media. Bakit kaya galit na galit ang the Corporation(codename ng Trilateral Commission) sa kanya? May kinalaman ba ang mga ginto ng Collateral Account which they termed as the Yamashita treasure?

    Ang mga di na lang nagawa ni Makoy ay ang pagkakaruon ng Nationalist ideology para may continuity kasi nuong nawala sya balik lang agad sa oligarch control, pro globalist, and pro-Free Trade. At ang pagkakaruon ng completely independent na Nationalized Central Bank in the tradition of FDR's New Deal using Hamiltonian economics. Mga NATO forces na mga galamay ng Roths-child controlled Financial mafia have destroyed Libya's Central Bank, formerly one of those few left outside of the control of the Global monetarist Financial Mafia.

    Bakit nga ba pag makabansa(Nationalist) at para sa masa(Populist), tinuturing na Komunista o Kaliwa? Para manaig ang Status Quo na pro-global at pro-free trade na sistema na hawak din naman sa leeg ng Global Financial mafia? Gaya nga nung sabihin ni Serge Osmena ang mga UP economists na nagising sa katotohanan na palpak daw ang Epira ay tinuring niya ang mga ito na mga makaliwa o komunista. E Palpak naman talaga ang privatization na sinusulong nila sa Power Sector. Mag iisang dekada na pero lumaki lang ang utang ng Napocor dahil sa stranded debt sa onerous IPP contracts kahit na ibenta na halos lahat ang mga di naman talagang nalulugi ngunit sadyang pinabayaan na Power assets. Naalala ko tuloy ang sabi nila pag privatize na yan mumura daw ang kuryente. How can there be competition e virtually monopolistic cartel ang power sector? Dapat sa publiko na kinakatawan ng gobyerno ang mga iyan.

    Probably only the early years. After the first and second oil shocks, crony capitalism became more dominant, with vestiges of free market capitalism as more deals were made with foreigners. It also did not help that that there was I think only one year (1973?) where the country had a trade surplus. It was one trade deficit after another from that, with the regime moving towards agricultural subsistence (and even moving away from coffee to sell more bananas) as per structural adjustment policy initiatives.

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