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edited October 10 in Local and Foreign Issues

Poll Which Correctly Called 2016 Election Sees Another "Shocking" Outcome In November

With Election Day less than a month away, we look at which party will likely control the White House, Senate and House in 2020… and what to watch for on Election Night.

Currently, the major polls give former Vice President Biden more than a 9-point lead nationally against President Trump – according to RealClearPolitics National Average.

And the Predictit markets imply a 67% probability of Biden winning on November 3rd. Additionally, those markets suggest that Democrats will win both the Senate and House (66% and 88% probabilities, respectively). Quite simply, it appears that a Blue Wave is fast approaching, something which the market has not only priced in, but has successfully digested as a favorable narrative for risk assets.

It would be easy to simply close the books and call the November contest over. But, of course, the major polls were all wrong in 2016; notably about the presidential race.

In the following Election Review from Camelot Portfolios, we look at what some of the polling firms that called 2016 correctly are seeing today. "Shocking", their polling suggests that President Trump will be re-elected, either narrowly or by a large margin. Therefore, as Camelot notes, "capital allocators today cannot easily assume next month’s results."

It’s very possible that Trump will win Florida, North Carolina and Arizona. If so, a win in Pennsylvania or Michigan will likely put him over the top in the electoral college. And speaking of "shocking", Camelot notes that as far as the Senate and House are concerned, it also appears that Republicans will keep control of the Senate, especially if Trump has a strong night. On the other hand, the House is highly likely to remain in Democratic control.

First, a few quick notes, on what happened over the past four years, and a look at the "Market Narrative" of Trump's presidency prior to Covid-19:

  • In 2017, the S&P 500 rallied in a relatively consistent fashion; due primarily, in our view, to the tailwinds of major deregulation and tax cuts.
  • Contrary to warnings that a Trump presidency would lead to a market crash, most notably by Paul Krugman, the S&P has returned 57.7% since President Trump’s election in 2016 (November 7, 2016 through October 6, 2020) – not including dividends.

Fast forward to today, when according to online betting site PredictIt.org, the probability of Democrats winning White House 63%, win Senate 66%, win House 88% (here, a question should be asked: since the contracts are relatively illiquid, is there one or more major players who have "cornered" the PredictIt market and are swaying public opinion with relatively low sums of cash).

Next, we look at the Electoral College Map after the 2016 election:

  • In 2016, Secretary of State Clinton received 65,853514 votes, or 48.2% of the popular vote. Donald Trump received 62,984,828 votes, or 46.1%. (source: Federal Election Commission)
  • In terms of the electoral college, however, Trump handily beat Clinton with 306 votes versus 232 for Clinton. (source: Business Insider)
  • Trump won the key swing states in the Rust Belt: PA, OH, MI and WI.
  • And, Trump won the key swing states of FL, NC and  AZ.

This outcome was not predicted by virtually any pollster in 2016, when most of the major polls were wrong, but not all:

Among these major polls, Clinton led Trump by 3.2% during the week prior to Election Day. More accurate pollsters incorporated likely voters and attempted to adjust for ‘shy voters’.

Trafalgar Group was named best polling firm of 2016 presidential race. It was one of few pollsters to predict Trump would win PA and MI (sources: Trafalgar Group and RealClearPolitics) and also Trump's victory. This is what Politico wrote in its post-election mea culpa about the Trafalgar Group:

The signs of a polling disaster were all there, but almost no one besides Donald Trump was paying attention.

There were surveys showing Trump winning, but they were ignored by most news outlets, dismissed as partisan polls conducted using automated phone technology that eschews calling cell-phone users.

the state polling this year was sparse, especially in the closing days. Of the 11 states POLITICO identified as Electoral College battlegrounds earlier this year, four of them didn’t see a nonpartisan, public, live-interview poll for the final week of the campaign: Colorado, Nevada, Ohio and Wisconsin. Taken together, it was a recipe for an epic polling failure.

* * *

Few, it seems, paid attention to the surveys from the Trafalgar Group – a Georgia-based consulting firm that, on its website, celebrates the time RealClearPolitics picked up one of its Florida primary polls – showing Trump ahead. The group’s Pennsylvania poll was the only one of dozens since late July to show the GOP nominee in the lead there – but it was also the only poll conducted into this past weekend, as voters made their final choices.

The Trafalgar Group was somewhat prolific on Monday, the day before the election, releasing surveys in Florida (Trump ahead by 4 points), Michigan (Trump ahead by 2 points) and Georgia (Trump ahead by 7 points).

At a time when the polling industry was crushed by its collectively incompetence, the praise for Trafalgar continued:

The secret to Trafalgar's success is that it best adjusted its polling to include ‘shy Trump voters’ and the votes missed in other polls. Democracy Institute also correctly predicted Trump’s victory in 2016, as well as Brexit.

Which brings us to today, and what Camelot Portfolios sees as the likely firewall states for Trump and Biden:

Which brings us to the punchline, and what Trafalgar sees as the outcome on Nov 3. In a nutshell, based on Trafalgar swing state polls, Trumps wins with 275 electoral votes:


What about the the "winner" in the 2016 polling fiasco, the Democracy Institute, and its Latest Poll for September:

  • Only asks likely voters, and asks about so-called ‘shy votes’.
  • Trump leads Biden 46%-45%, nationally.
  • Trump leads in swing states (FL, IA, MI, MN, PA, WI) 47% to 43%.
  • Trump’s swing state leads would give him 320 electoral votes, and Biden 218.
  • 77% of Trump voters would not admit to friends and family.
  • Amy Coney Barrett nomination has little impact on approximately 8 in 10 voters.
  • Law and order is top issue (32%). Economy is second (30%).
  • Voters trust Trump more on economy than Biden: 60% to 40%, respectively

But wait, there's more shocks, because according to Camelot, Republicans are also likely to retain their control of the Senate.

  • Current Senate makeup is 53 Republicans and 47 Democrats and Independents.
  • 35 Senate seats up for grabs.
  • 23 seats are held by Republicans; 12 held by Democrats.
  • Republicans at disadvantage; need to protect more seats.
  • Most vulnerable incumbents are in: Alabama (Jones-D), Colorado (Gardner-R), Maine (Collins-R), Michigan (Peters-D).
  • Assuming Trump polling in these four states will determine the Senate race: Republicans likely to pick up AL, Democrats likely to pick up CO and Maine – for net gain of one seat in Senate.
  • Outlier Scenarios: Trafalgar polling shows Republican in Michigan (John James) with slight lead; and Democrat in North Carolina with slight lead.
  • Likely November: Republicans keep Senate control with 52 seats.

Finally, in what may be the worst possible news for markets which are now convinced a blue sweep is inevitable, Camelot says that Democrats will continue their dominance in the House, where they have a clear advantage:

  • 2016: RealClearPolitics Average had Democrats +0.6 near Election Day -> Final was Republicans +1.1 -> GOP lost 6 seats; maintained majority 241-194
  • 2018: RealClearPolitics Average had Democrats +7.3 near Election Day -> Final was Democrats +8.4 -> Democrats gained 41 seats; retook majority 235-199
  • 2020: RealClearPolitics Average has Democrats +6.0 during the last week.
https://www.zerohedge.com/political/poll-which-correctly-called-2016-election-sees-another-shocking-outcome-november
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  • Herr_StarrHerr_Starr PEx Influencer ⭐⭐⭐
    ArnoldZ said:

    Poll Which Correctly Called 2016 Election Sees Another "Shocking" Outcome In November

    With Election Day less than a month away, we look at which party will likely control the White House, Senate and House in 2020… and what to watch for on Election Night.

    Currently, the major polls give former Vice President Biden more than a 9-point lead nationally against President Trump – according to RealClearPolitics National Average.

    And the Predictit markets imply a 67% probability of Biden winning on November 3rd. Additionally, those markets suggest that Democrats will win both the Senate and House (66% and 88% probabilities, respectively). Quite simply, it appears that a Blue Wave is fast approaching, something which the market has not only priced in, but has successfully digested as a favorable narrative for risk assets.

    It would be easy to simply close the books and call the November contest over. But, of course, the major polls were all wrong in 2016; notably about the presidential race.

    In the following Election Review from Camelot Portfolios, we look at what some of the polling firms that called 2016 correctly are seeing today. "Shocking", their polling suggests that President Trump will be re-elected, either narrowly or by a large margin. Therefore, as Camelot notes, "capital allocators today cannot easily assume next month’s results."

    It’s very possible that Trump will win Florida, North Carolina and Arizona. If so, a win in Pennsylvania or Michigan will likely put him over the top in the electoral college. And speaking of "shocking", Camelot notes that as far as the Senate and House are concerned, it also appears that Republicans will keep control of the Senate, especially if Trump has a strong night. On the other hand, the House is highly likely to remain in Democratic control.

    First, a few quick notes, on what happened over the past four years, and a look at the "Market Narrative" of Trump's presidency prior to Covid-19:

    • In 2017, the S&P 500 rallied in a relatively consistent fashion; due primarily, in our view, to the tailwinds of major deregulation and tax cuts.
    • Contrary to warnings that a Trump presidency would lead to a market crash, most notably by Paul Krugman, the S&P has returned 57.7% since President Trump’s election in 2016 (November 7, 2016 through October 6, 2020) – not including dividends.

    Fast forward to today, when according to online betting site PredictIt.org, the probability of Democrats winning White House 63%, win Senate 66%, win House 88% (here, a question should be asked: since the contracts are relatively illiquid, is there one or more major players who have "cornered" the PredictIt market and are swaying public opinion with relatively low sums of cash).

    Next, we look at the Electoral College Map after the 2016 election:

    • In 2016, Secretary of State Clinton received 65,853514 votes, or 48.2% of the popular vote. Donald Trump received 62,984,828 votes, or 46.1%. (source: Federal Election Commission)
    • In terms of the electoral college, however, Trump handily beat Clinton with 306 votes versus 232 for Clinton. (source: Business Insider)
    • Trump won the key swing states in the Rust Belt: PA, OH, MI and WI.
    • And, Trump won the key swing states of FL, NC and  AZ.

    This outcome was not predicted by virtually any pollster in 2016, when most of the major polls were wrong, but not all:

    Among these major polls, Clinton led Trump by 3.2% during the week prior to Election Day. More accurate pollsters incorporated likely voters and attempted to adjust for ‘shy voters’.

    Trafalgar Group was named best polling firm of 2016 presidential race. It was one of few pollsters to predict Trump would win PA and MI (sources: Trafalgar Group and RealClearPolitics) and also Trump's victory. This is what Politico wrote in its post-election mea culpa about the Trafalgar Group:

    The signs of a polling disaster were all there, but almost no one besides Donald Trump was paying attention.

    There were surveys showing Trump winning, but they were ignored by most news outlets, dismissed as partisan polls conducted using automated phone technology that eschews calling cell-phone users.

    the state polling this year was sparse, especially in the closing days. Of the 11 states POLITICO identified as Electoral College battlegrounds earlier this year, four of them didn’t see a nonpartisan, public, live-interview poll for the final week of the campaign: Colorado, Nevada, Ohio and Wisconsin. Taken together, it was a recipe for an epic polling failure.

    * * *

    Few, it seems, paid attention to the surveys from the Trafalgar Group – a Georgia-based consulting firm that, on its website, celebrates the time RealClearPolitics picked up one of its Florida primary polls – showing Trump ahead. The group’s Pennsylvania poll was the only one of dozens since late July to show the GOP nominee in the lead there – but it was also the only poll conducted into this past weekend, as voters made their final choices.

    The Trafalgar Group was somewhat prolific on Monday, the day before the election, releasing surveys in Florida (Trump ahead by 4 points), Michigan (Trump ahead by 2 points) and Georgia (Trump ahead by 7 points).

    At a time when the polling industry was crushed by its collectively incompetence, the praise for Trafalgar continued:

    The secret to Trafalgar's success is that it best adjusted its polling to include ‘shy Trump voters’ and the votes missed in other polls. Democracy Institute also correctly predicted Trump’s victory in 2016, as well as Brexit.

    Which brings us to today, and what Camelot Portfolios sees as the likely firewall states for Trump and Biden:

    Which brings us to the punchline, and what Trafalgar sees as the outcome on Nov 3. In a nutshell, based on Trafalgar swing state polls, Trumps wins with 275 electoral votes:


    What about the the "winner" in the 2016 polling fiasco, the Democracy Institute, and its Latest Poll for September:

    • Only asks likely voters, and asks about so-called ‘shy votes’.
    • Trump leads Biden 46%-45%, nationally.
    • Trump leads in swing states (FL, IA, MI, MN, PA, WI) 47% to 43%.
    • Trump’s swing state leads would give him 320 electoral votes, and Biden 218.
    • 77% of Trump voters would not admit to friends and family.
    • Amy Coney Barrett nomination has little impact on approximately 8 in 10 voters.
    • Law and order is top issue (32%). Economy is second (30%).
    • Voters trust Trump more on economy than Biden: 60% to 40%, respectively

    But wait, there's more shocks, because according to Camelot, Republicans are also likely to retain their control of the Senate.

    • Current Senate makeup is 53 Republicans and 47 Democrats and Independents.
    • 35 Senate seats up for grabs.
    • 23 seats are held by Republicans; 12 held by Democrats.
    • Republicans at disadvantage; need to protect more seats.
    • Most vulnerable incumbents are in: Alabama (Jones-D), Colorado (Gardner-R), Maine (Collins-R), Michigan (Peters-D).
    • Assuming Trump polling in these four states will determine the Senate race: Republicans likely to pick up AL, Democrats likely to pick up CO and Maine – for net gain of one seat in Senate.
    • Outlier Scenarios: Trafalgar polling shows Republican in Michigan (John James) with slight lead; and Democrat in North Carolina with slight lead.
    • Likely November: Republicans keep Senate control with 52 seats.

    Finally, in what may be the worst possible news for markets which are now convinced a blue sweep is inevitable, Camelot says that Democrats will continue their dominance in the House, where they have a clear advantage:

    • 2016: RealClearPolitics Average had Democrats +0.6 near Election Day -> Final was Republicans +1.1 -> GOP lost 6 seats; maintained majority 241-194
    • 2018: RealClearPolitics Average had Democrats +7.3 near Election Day -> Final was Democrats +8.4 -> Democrats gained 41 seats; retook majority 235-199
    • 2020: RealClearPolitics Average has Democrats +6.0 during the last week.
    https://www.zerohedge.com/political/poll-which-correctly-called-2016-election-sees-another-shocking-outcome-november
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    Will history repeat itself?
    A lot of the polls cited here are low quality (Democracy Institute, Trafalgar). :rofl:        

    2020 does not look remotely like 2016, it looks like 2008 when the race broke away from the GOP due to the Great Recession. 

    3 weeks to go and 8 million votes have been cast. By the end of October, it will be 50 to 60 million votes. All while Trump is deep underwater. 


  • hellraiser2.hellraiser2. PEx Influencer ⭐⭐⭐

    National Poll: Joe Biden 45%, Donald Trump 40%

    Democrat presidential candidate Joe Biden (D) leads President Trump by five points nationally, a Hill-HarrisX survey released Friday reveals.

    Biden leads Trump by five percentage points, 45 percent to the president’s 40 percent, while seven percent are undecided. The former vice president’s lead remains outside of the survey’s +/- 1.84 percent margin of error:

    Democrats comprise 37 percent of the survey’s sample, followed by Republicans (32 percent), then independents (29 percent).

    The survey follows a Sunday Express/Democracy Institute Poll survey released last week showing Trump and Biden statistically tied. Trump garnered 46 percent compared to Biden’s 45 percent — a lead within the survey’s +/- 2.5 percent margin of error.

    Another poll released last week, an NBC/Wall Street Journal poll, raised eyebrows; it showed Biden leading the president nationally by double digits, 53 percent to Trump’s 39 percent. A closer look at the poll revealed the survey vastly oversampled Democrats, as Breitbart News detailed:

    Thirty-five percent of poll respondents self-identified as Democrats, while only 27 percent self-identified as Republican, and 32 percent self-identified as Independents, resulting in a survey sample that was Democrat +8, a significantly higher sampling of Democrats than measured in the most recent national Gallup Poll of party affiliation. That poll, (conducted between August 31 and Sept 13), found that 29 percent of Americans self-identified as Republican, 30 percent self-identified as Democrat, and 40 percent self-identified as Independents, resulting in an actual national partisan breakdown of Democrat +1.

    In other words, the NBC/Wall Street Journal Poll includes five percent more Democrats and two percent fewer Republicans than the actual national population, for a net oversampling of Democrats of seven percent.

    Saturday morning’s RealClearPolitics average showed Biden with a 9.6 percent advantage in the national popular vote.

    Trump has been performing better in key swing states in recent days, surveys showing the incumbent taking the lead in both Florida and Arizona.

    HarrisX conducted the survey October 3-6 among 2,841 registered voters.

  • Herr_StarrHerr_Starr PEx Influencer ⭐⭐⭐
    edited October 10
    Why 2020 is not 2016 part two:



    By Oct 19, the number will be between 15 and 20 million votes cast. The majority of those votes are from Democrats. You can guess who they are voting for. HINT: It aint Trump.


  • Herr_StarrHerr_Starr PEx Influencer ⭐⭐⭐
    To put things in perspective, key states are already at 10 to 20% of their vote totals from 2016.


  • Herr_StarrHerr_Starr PEx Influencer ⭐⭐⭐


    Ed Rollins was Ronald Reagan's Campaign Director in 1984, not some hack firm.  ;)
  • ArnoldZArnoldZ PEx Influencer ⭐⭐⭐
    edited October 11
    • 61% of adults said NBC is credible


    • 53% of adults said CNN is credible, the same percentage as The New York Times.


    By Oct 19, the number will be between 15 and 20 million votes cast. The majority of those votes are from Republicsns. You can guess who they are voting for. HINT: It aint Biden!
  • Herr_StarrHerr_Starr PEx Influencer ⭐⭐⭐
    edited October 11
    ArnoldZ said:
    • 61% of adults said NBC is credible


    • 53% of adults said CNN is credible, the same percentage as The New York Times.


    By Oct 19, the number will be between 15 and 20 million votes cast. The majority of those votes are from Republicsns. You can guess who they are voting for. HINT: It aint Biden!
    Not sure you wanna go there sport! :rofl:      

    Bidens national lead over Trump jumps to 14 points after debate in NBC  NewsWSJ poll


    Both organizations you mention have Biden leading Trump by double digits. I don't think its that big a spread, but that's just me. 

    And considering everything Trump has done to denigrate early voting, do you really think Republicans are voting early? :rofl:      




  • Herr_StarrHerr_Starr PEx Influencer ⭐⭐⭐
    _knorr_ said:
    Last I checked, Utah was not a swing state! If a bunch of mormons want to sing Trump's praises, that their business. :rofl:             
  • Herr_StarrHerr_Starr PEx Influencer ⭐⭐⭐
    _knorr_ said:

    .                                                                                                                                                    .
    The Taliban 'Liked' this post. :rofl: 
  • Herr_StarrHerr_Starr PEx Influencer ⭐⭐⭐
    _knorr_ said:
    It's probably because you did a lot of things to violate your agreement with Facebook, most likely around posting fake news. :rofl:         

    Facebook is not a right. :rofl:          
  • Herr_StarrHerr_Starr PEx Influencer ⭐⭐⭐
    _knorr_ said:
    The Taliban 'Liked' this post. :rofl: 
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