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Pros & Cons in Migrating to other countries

pong_padourpong_padour PEx Influencer ⭐⭐⭐
edited June 28 in Buhay Pinoy
I was browsing Youtube and saw few vids regarding stories of immigrants in Canada. 
Dami din pala requirements na kelangan like IELTS exam and may CRS points system pa sila etc.... just to qualify.
On top of that, some say on the comment section na yung iba umuuwi na lang sa bansa din nila after a year dahil as they say, Canada is not a place for professionals. Yung iba pa daw na new immigrants nauuwi sa divorce
Some also attested that your experience from other companies doesn't matter to them unless you have a work experience in Canada (same sa nabanggit ni tatang PnP sa exp nya sa Australia) so in the end, these new immigrants land some odd or low skilled jobs. Siguro may iba ring siniswerte.
I know na sa simula kelangan daw na magsimula sa low paying job like a cab driver, dishwasher or a McDonalds crew then work your way up daw.
Then another thing is yung mataas na tax and living expenses.
Nakikita ko lang na maganda is free healthcare but one of the vlogger said na not everything is free. Yung medicine is sagot mo din. 













So maganda ba talaga magmigrate for good to Canada or other countries? If yes, which country is it?
Or is better to just save and invest your money, start your own company/business and have multiple income streams in the Philipines?

So now at the back of my mind, I'm thinking if it's really worth it to migrate?

Your thoughts?




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  • Constable_KittenConstable_Kitten PEx Rookie ⭐
    edited June 28
    You have to keep an open mind. It's worth it if you know how to tough it out. Most foreigners have to tough it out in their first few years in Canada. Kahit doctor o walang pinag-aralan, nag-umpisa muna sa mababang trabaho ang karamihan. Kung maarte ka o mapag-mataas, you're in for a very rude awakening. 

    Foreign education and work experience don't count. You need to be trained as a foreign educated individual for the same profession you pursued in your country through bridging programs and sometimes another couple years in university and a board exam if you're in a regulated profession. That all involves money so talagang you have to work an odd job muna to afford any sort of upgrading here. 

    Eg, Kahit graduate ka ng BS Nursing sa Pinas, dito sa Ontario you can't write the board exam for Nurses. You'll be downgraded to a Practical Nurse if you pass all the requirements. Practical Nursing is a 2 year diploma. You need to attend the bridging program for a few months. 

    It's not easy in Canada contrary to what most people think. You have to start from scratch and leave behind the life that you've established. It's difficult to find a good paying job in the beginning because local employers require Canadian work experience and education. If you want to be in a regulated profession, prepare to go back to university for the next few years. How do you pay for that? By working minimum wage. 

    Kung malaki ulo mo, mababaliw ka dito. Imagine, mataas pinag-aralan mo sa Pinas tapos maganda naging trabaho mo, mayaman pamilya mo, tapos pagdating mo sa Canada kayod kayod ka in a crappy job. One that you'll never do in Pinas. Tapos when you're finally in a career that you desire, ilalagay ka sa pinakamababang position, underpaid ka for your skills tapos mas magaling at mas experienced ka pa sa boss mo. That's the reality for most people here. The only good thing about that is, their kids don't have to do the same kind of pakikipagsapalaran at panghuhusga from their own people back home. 

    Learned a lot over the years here. Met different kinds of people along the way and most have the same experience. It's also common for Canadian born people to work as young as 16 in retail or fast food. Canadians are hardworking people. 
  • Kung malaki ulo mo, mababaliw ka dito. Imagine, mataas pinag-aralan mo sa Pinas tapos maganda naging trabaho mo, mayaman pamilya mo, tapos pagdating mo sa Canada kayod kayod ka in a crappy job. One that you'll never do in Pinas. Tapos when you're finally in a career that you desire, ilalagay ka sa pinakamababang position, underpaid ka for your skills tapos mas magaling at mas experienced ka pa sa boss mo. That's the reality for most people here. The only good thing about that is, their kids don't have to do the same kind of pakikipagsapalaran at panghuhusga from their own people back home. 

    I noticed that...problem kasi dinadala yung mentality nila na ganyan dito. Yung expectation of others recognizing their hierarchical status in PH, which people in other countries don't have or recognize. I know a very girl na mayaman (relatively) yung family, pagdating dito instead of understanding that they're new or they're young and still need to make a their own merit, medyo you can tell parang always saying things like "oo sa amin, marami kaming ganyan" or "mas malaki bahay namin doon". She broke up with a guy she was with here kasi her brothers in the PH told her na hindi daw nagustuhan kasi he's not wealthy. lol
    I don't think it's malaki ulo...I think there's still a culture in the PH where "status" matters a lot. Esp. if they're from the province where the weight of their family's social standing matters a lot more. So when they are put in a larger pond where there are bigger fish, and they're not the top predator anymore, parang insecure.

  • hsusonhsuson PEx Influencer ⭐⭐⭐
    edited June 28

    Kung malaki ulo mo, mababaliw ka dito. Imagine, mataas pinag-aralan mo sa Pinas tapos maganda naging trabaho mo, mayaman pamilya mo, tapos pagdating mo sa Canada kayod kayod ka in a crappy job. One that you'll never do in Pinas. Tapos when you're finally in a career that you desire, ilalagay ka sa pinakamababang position, underpaid ka for your skills tapos mas magaling at mas experienced ka pa sa boss mo. That's the reality for most people here. The only good thing about that is, their kids don't have to do the same kind of pakikipagsapalaran at panghuhusga from their own people back home. 
    Kung mayaman pamilya mo, wag ka na mag emigrate.

    The PH is the best place to be when you are rich. Dito we are lucky enough to have maids and driver. 
    To match that livestyle in the US or in Canada, you have to be as rich as Ivanka Trump or Mark Zuckerburg.

  • Constable_KittenConstable_Kitten PEx Rookie ⭐
    Kung mayaman ka, you can afford din naman sa US or Canada whatever you have in Pinas. Mababa ang standard of living sa Pinas kaya pwede ka mamuhay ng mas marangya. 

    To each his own. Hindi appealing sa akin ang manirahan sa Pinas. It's Just a personal preference. 
  • pong_padourpong_padour PEx Influencer ⭐⭐⭐
    I agree with hsuson. Pag mayaman ka na sa Pinas, mas ok na dun. May mga stable businesses at multiple income streams ka, mga empleyado magandang mansion, villas and other properties, luxury/exotic cars. 
    Papasyal pasyal na lang siguro ko sa US, Australia at Canada.
    Kesa naman magmigrate kayo ng pamilya mo at ibenta business at mga ari-arian mo just to become an employee who needs to grind from 9-5.
    Just my 2 cents.
  • Juan Plus OneJuan Plus One PEx Influencer ⭐⭐⭐
    I'd rather be a middle class in a first world country than a rich man in a primitive third world country.
  • DunedainDunedain PEx Influencer ⭐⭐⭐
    Pro: Looking at my stocks portfolio. Jumped up 2.81%. I can retire early.  :)

    Con: Looking at a wall while peeing. Working myself to death or will be dead during work.  =)
  • RamblerNextGenRamblerNextGen PEx Rookie ⭐
    edited July 2
    Then another thing is yung mataas na tax and living expenses.
    Nakikita ko lang na maganda is free healthcare but one of the vlogger said na not everything is free. Yung medicine is sagot mo din. 


    Marami na akong nabasang first-hand stories na overrated ang healthcare sa Canada. Umaabot ng ilang weeks ang appointment sa doctor. The left-leaning government of Trudeau likes to brandish Canada as a poster child for leftist policies like free healthcare, but it's not what it's cutout to be. 

    Kahit dito sa kinaroroonan ko, libre ang healthcare pero kailangan mong pumila ng maraming oras bago ka atupagin ng doktor. Minsan umaabot pa ng lagpas 10 hours ang pila. 

    But at least dito, almost libre talaga, meron lang 100 riyals na renewal ng healthcard yearly. So thankful ako kasi ang mga low-income na workers na galing Pinas, Bangladesh, India, Nepal - they take advantage of it. And I'm happy for them. 

    And guess what, kahit may free healthcare, ang mga private clinics dito they rake in profits. Kasi ang mga well-to-do especially mga arabo, they still go with private healthcare. Ganyan dapat, walang sapilitan. Si Obummer, nung una ipinangako niya na you can keep your insurance plan daw, kamukat-mukat mo, single-payer system pa rin talaga ang pinupush ng mga Marxists na ito.

    The thing with Canada is wala silang electoral college na gaya ng US. So hindi siya federalist style na may boses ang mga rural areas. Marami daw mga Canadians ang conservatives, but during voting time, they are defeated by the liberals. Paramihan kasi ng boto. Mob rule. Pure democracy siya at hindi representatitive democracy na kagaya ng US. Kaya makikita mo rin talaga ang wisdom ng founding fathers ng America. 
  • Constable_KittenConstable_Kitten PEx Rookie ⭐
    Choosing beggar ka na masyado kung galing ka sa Pinas tapos minamaliit mo pa ang health care system ng Canada.  :lol:

    Magkano checkup sa Pinas kung nilalagnat? Magkano ang swab test? Magkano bill mo pag na-confine? Magkano binayad mo o ng nanay o ng asawa mo nung nanganak siya? Magkano ang surgery? How about chemo? Pap smear? MRI? Ultrasound? X-ray? Mandatory bakuna? 

    Pinoproblema yan ng mga Pinoy. Hindi yan pinoproblema ng mga Canadian, pati mga temporary foreign worker at international student covered din diyan.

    Yung mga gaya ko na fairly healthy at di pa masyadong matanda, hindi pa masyado required ang maintenance at regular checkup so ang nagkakamabigat na problema usually yung merong mga sakit at komplikasyon, yung mga terminally ill and whatnot. 

    Ang problema dito is, may shortage of specialists so kung meron kang malalang sakit, it can take months or years to see a specialist.

    Yung pila, it can happen dahel sa triage system sa ospital. In my area isa lang ang ospital na may ER and depending on the time of day, minsan wala nang specialista. General physician na lang (or what they call family physician here) and they're not that many. So kung nagpunta ka sa ER for a headache, maghihintay ka talaga on a busy day cause you'll never know what kind of worse cases they have to pay immediate attention to. I go to my own doctors clinic for non emergencies and scheduled appointments. Minsan mabilis lang, minsan matagal. 

    Walang private healthcare sa Canada. Your private doctor will still send you to the hospital kung malala talaga sakit mo. 

    Yung dental care at drug coverage, and other elective health services like physio, chiro, orthodontist etc, covered yan sa work benefits. 
  • jeganrrjeganrr PEx Influencer ⭐⭐⭐
    Sa pagkakaalam ko mas racist daw ang mga Americans kaysa sa mga Canadians.
  • RamblerNextGenRamblerNextGen PEx Rookie ⭐
    edited July 2
    ^That was one of the biggest lies perpetrated by the Marxists since the 60s. A sustained lie, repeated over and over, until to many people it becomes a truth.

    Americans are not racists. They practically brought awareness that other people from other countries and far-flung areas of the planet exist. They have vastly explored the arts and the sciences, and in the process, has brought dignity to many unreached people groups in the world. 

    Pero bakit walang humpay ang pagdown sa Amerika in the last 50 or so years? It's because the Marxists want to downplay the excellent merits of American-style republicanism, federalism, and representative democracy that give dignity to the common person and allow them personal freedoms to pursue what they want in life - within the bounds of morality, of course. 

    Marxism is inherently a nihilistic idea - na walang meaning ang lahat, na walang kwenta ang existence, therefore let's tear down everything. Eat, drink, and be merry, for tomorrow we die. Sa umpisa lang yan na mukhang may ipinaglalaban ang Marxism - which is utopia kuno, or equality which abolishes class distinctions between proletariat and bourgeoisie kuno - but ultimately, it is nihilistic in a sense na wala namang kwenta, sunugin natin ang lahat. 

    And the author of it is satan himself, which the Bible describes as one who seeks to kill, steal, and destroy. Tingnan nyo ang galawan ng kaliwa like BLM and Antifa - they're burning cities, smashing cars, destroying businesses, assaulting people - which is consistent sa adhikain ni satan. Kunwari lang yan na may ipinaglalaban. Ang totoo, Marxism is rooted in a nihilistic idea na walang kwenta tong ginagawa natin, why not sunugin na lang ang lahat. 

    Remember that scene in American Pie 4: Reunion where Finch comes out clean and admits na hindi naman talaga siya nagtatravel but was stuck in a "boring" job as an assistant manager at Staples? Someone replied that he "sold out" to the system.

    See, para sa mga Marxists, walang kwenta ang "boring jobs", gusto nila pa-travel-travel lang. They don't recognize that in an imperfect world, we have to work for things we want in life. There is dignity in work, at mas may appeal sa akin ang mga taong masipag at matiyaga, kesa sa mga Marxists na to na gusto eh pa-travel-travel lang at pasulat-sulat lang poems o kung ano man.
  • jeganrrjeganrr PEx Influencer ⭐⭐⭐
    Kung mayaman ka, you can afford din naman sa US or Canada whatever you have in Pinas. Mababa ang standard of living sa Pinas kaya pwede ka mamuhay ng mas marangya. 

    To each his own. Hindi appealing sa akin ang manirahan sa Pinas. It's Just a personal preference. 
    Isang reason siguro kaya gusto mong tumira sa Canada instead sa Pinas it's because of the four seasons noh?Si nikkilove isang reason kaya rin niya gustong tumira sa States because of the four seasons I think.Kaso ngalang sa Pilipinas warm ang beaches,Sa Canada diba malamig ang beaches diyan?
  • hi guys it's worth it to migrate to another country... pero andami rin talagang trials

    i suggest makinig kayo sa podcast namin - ito may regular updates kami kung pano mamuhay sa ibang bansa and pano magmigrate.

    Kami po ay taga Canada, New Zealand and China. Napag usapan namin ang mga sumusunod:
    * Migrating Abroad as a healthworker
    * Migrating Abroad as a student
    * Life Hacks Abroad
    * Making Human Connections when you're living abroad
    Sabihan nyo po kami kung nakinig po kayo at babatiin po namin kayo sa show namin!!! You can also email us [email protected]
    Nakakatawa rin po kami. Recently we guested a MasterChef Canada Finalist na Filipino rin po.
    Marami po kayong matututunan. Pwede rin po kayo makinig sa Spotify. Just search Ihaw Ihaw Show. Nasa google podcast din kami and Anchor.
  • Constable_KittenConstable_Kitten PEx Rookie ⭐
    jeganrr said:
    Kung mayaman ka, you can afford din naman sa US or Canada whatever you have in Pinas. Mababa ang standard of living sa Pinas kaya pwede ka mamuhay ng mas marangya. 

    To each his own. Hindi appealing sa akin ang manirahan sa Pinas. It's Just a personal preference. 
    Isang reason siguro kaya gusto mong tumira sa Canada instead sa Pinas it's because of the four seasons noh?Si nikkilove isang reason kaya rin niya gustong tumira sa States because of the four seasons I think.Kaso ngalang sa Pilipinas warm ang beaches,Sa Canada diba malamig ang beaches diyan?
     Canada = One of the best countries in the world. 

    Ok lang sa akin ang klima. It's a pain in the ***** tulad lately, sobrang init at sobrang humid parang sa Pinas, pero ganyan talaga. 

    Marami talaga factors na kailangan i-consider kung magca-Canada ka. You have to weigh out the pros and cons to see it's for you. 


  • art727art727 PEx Influencer ⭐⭐⭐
    Ang masasabi ko lang kung mag-mi-migrate kayo sa kahit anong bansa, at ikaw ay isang petition lang?, dahil sa mga magulang mo na nauna na duon?, Kung wala kang skill at nag-aaral pa lang..maganda ang tapusin mo ang iyong high school na hanggang 12th grade..at duon mo na ipagpatuloy ang iyong pagaaral sa AMERIKA napakaraming libreng eskwela sa eskwelahan duon gaya ng COMMUNITY COLLEGE..gaya ng NURSING at two years courses na EQUIVALENT ANG (AA DEGREE mo duon) ay parang four years colllege sa Pinas..dahil kulang ng dalawang taon noon ang NAGTAPOS NG HIGH SCHOOL sa Pinas. Sa AMERIKA ang matatapos mo ng 2 years sa kolehiyo  ay katumbas ng( 4 years college) sa Pinas. pero puwede silang kumuha ng board exam sa AMERIKA, di katulad ng mga nurses na nagtapos dito sa Pinas ay kulang ang kanilang pinag-aralan kaya dapat ay mag-aral pa sila ng karagdagang pag-aaral..DAHILAN NOON AY WEALA PA ANG PINAS NG 12TH GRADE at ngayon lang idinagdag.

    Ang masasabi ko ay kung pupunta kayo o kung sino man duon sa TATE?, kumuha ng mga sumusunod..MEDICAL FIELD,IT, COMPUTER ANALYST, COMPUTER PROGRAMMER,DRAFTSMAN, MEDTECH...malalakiu mga suweldo ng mga yan at IN-DEMAND lalong-lalo na ngayon..
  • Pag  maysakit tas may maintenance like chemo,  sa abroad na lang .. 

    Pag healthy hanggang pagtanda ,  sa pinas . 😁
  • art727art727 PEx Influencer ⭐⭐⭐
    Iba pa ren ang mga kamag-anakan mo ang mag-aalaga sa iyo...kasi may halong paglalambing at pagmamahal at nakapagpapatatag sa iyo..kung may karamdaman ka..Sa ABROAD?, walang halong pagbibiro kung may anak ka at may wasto ng isipan?, TANUNGIN mo anak MO.." AALAGAAN mo ba ako kapag hindi nako makakilos?" eto ang sagot nila MANIWALA KAYO O HINDI.!!.."MOM/DAD I HAVE MY OWN LIFE TO TAKE CARE and WILL A HAVE FAMILY OF MY OWN in near   future!",
    YES!, I WILL PLACE YOU TO A NICE HOMECARE AND I WILL VISIT YOU FROM TIME TO TIME!!" Sa Pinas kahit pamangkin mo AALAGAAN KA SIGURADO DAHIL AYAW KA NILANG MAWALA DAHIL NATUTULUNGAN MO SILA SA IYONG TINATANGGAP NA PENSION, KESA IPAMBAYAD MO SA MGA HOME FOR THE3 AGED...SA PINAS NA LANG DIBA?
  • mabuheyymabuheyy PExer
    edited July 4
    Burden magkasakit sa pinas.. Kahit may mga relatives ka dun,  may mga sariling buhay din mga yun, mga sariling problema inaasikaso. Wala na yung dati na aalagaan ang tito at tita , busy na sila sa mga social media, sa mga friends nila . Since di ka nman nila nakasama ng mahabang panahon,  madami nang nabago, magkaiba na kayo ng mundo . 

    Sa mga naoobserbahan ko na sitwasyon katulad ng ganyan,  nagkakaproblema sa pamilya pag " sakit" na ang pinag uusapan  .. Yung stress sa pag aalaga  at problema sa financial , yan yung unang na co compromise. 

    Sa abroad, kung nasa  aged care ka naman, at least di ka nakaka perwisyo ng mga relatives or pamilya.  Kung magkakasakit ka naman , dadalin ka naman nila sa hospital . Kung mamamatay naman,  icremate ka din naman. Walang na perwisyo at namatay nang may dignidad na hindi nagpahirap sa mga pamilya at kamag anak. 

    Opinion ko lng iyan based sa mga nakikita ko. Bka mali ako . 
  • Gusto kong magmigrate sa Norway. May nakilala ako ditong exchange student, ganda.
    LMFAO.
  • hsusonhsuson PEx Influencer ⭐⭐⭐
    Gusto kong magmigrate sa Norway. May nakilala ako ditong exchange student, ganda.
    LMFAO.
    Normal ang maganda sa Scandinavia. Kahit yung mga waitress and barista mukhang Hollywood stars. =)
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