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Potus Trump Says ‘It’s Fine’ If Philippines Quits Military Agreement

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Trump Says ‘It’s Fine’ If Philippines Quits Military Agreement

  • ‘I really don’t mind,’ Trump says about end of 1988 accord
  • Duterte’s move seen as helping improve ties with China

President Donald Trump said Wednesday that he “didn’t mind” that the Philippine government terminated a military agreement with the U.S., a day after Defense Secretary Mark Esper called the decision a “move in the wrong direction.”

“I really don’t mind, if they would like to do that, that’s fine,” Trump said Wednesday during a meeting with Ecuador President Lenin Moreno at the White House. “We’ll save a lot of money. You know my views are different from other people. I view it as, ‘Thank you very much, we’ll save a lot of money.’”

Trump added that he had a good relationship with Philippines President Rodrigo Duterte, and said the U.S. had helped the Southeast Asian nation combat Islamic State terrorists over the past decade.

The decision to terminate the agreement was seen as a pivot by Duterte’s government toward China and could complicate U.S. efforts to contest Beijing’s influence in the South China Sea. The Pentagon has vowed to shift more resources toward the Indo-Pacific to help counter China as part of what it views as the coming “great power” competition with Beijing and Moscow.

The president’s remarks represented a sharp departure from the position of the Pentagon, with Esper telling reporters en route to a NATO conference in Brussels on Tuesday that “it’s a move in the wrong direction, again for the long-standing relationship we’ve had with the Philippines, for their strategic location, for the ties between our peoples and our countries.”

The 1988 Visiting Forces Agreement allows U.S. military aircraft and ships free entry into the Philippines and relaxes visa and passport policies. The change in the 22-year-old military agreement will not go into immediate effect because of a 180-day wind-down built into the agreement.

At least two other accords also govern military relations between the nations. A Mutual Defense Treaty was signed in 1951, five years after the U.S. granted the Philippines independence, and it has been at the center of defense relations ever since. The eight-article pact -- one of seven collective defense treaties the U.S. has globally -- calls for each side to help build defense capabilities and “meet the common dangers in accordance with its constitutional processes” if either side is attacked.

The Enhanced Defense Cooperation Agreement, signed in 2014, allows for a greater U.S. presence at Philippine military bases and the construction of new facilities there.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-02-12/trump-says-it-s-fine-if-philippines-quits-military-agreement?fbclid=IwAR0R6l9BMyGRsgN0eExOntdc2GW6hNiQ9KrylhmjCcHTiS_CHUtxUtZ_FqE

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  • bzbee9bzbee9 Member PEx Rookie ⭐

    'We'll save a lot of money': Trump 'fine' with end of Philippines military pact


    US President Donald Trump dismissed concerns Wednesday about the Philippines canceling a major military accord, saying the decision would save Americans money.

    The 1998 Visiting Forces Agreement (VFA) created a legal framework for the presence of US troops in the Philippines and for organizing joint military exercises. 

    Manila announced its decision Tuesday -- a move the US embassy in the Philippines called a "serious step" -- touching off a six-month countdown to the end of the deal. 

    "If they would like to do that, that's fine, we'll save a lot of money," Trump told reporters at the White House, touting his "very good relationship" with Philippines President Rodrigo Duterte. 

    Famously outspoken Duterte has threatened since his 2016 election to put an end to the Filipino-American alliance, with an eye toward cultivating relationships with Russia or China instead. 

    He specifically mentioned a desire to do away with the VFA again in January, after the US cancelled the travel visa of senator and former national police chief Ronald Dela Rosa. 

    The VFA is divisive in the Philippines, with leftist and nationalist critics arguing it guarantees preferential treatment for US service members accused of crimes.

    Its defenders say ending the agreement would compromise the southeast Asian nation's ability to defend itself and undermine the US goal of containing Beijing's ambitions in the South China Sea.

    https://news.abs-cbn.com/news/02/13/20/well-save-a-lot-of-money-trump-fine-with-end-of-philippines-military-pact?fbclid=IwAR2oViX3SenP3u2eFBgiVIda4XSWTiGl2VFBstpwHtT95UCAsizc5eM7MQI


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  • ArnoldZArnoldZ Member PEx Influencer ⭐⭐⭐

    Trump may be the most accomplished President in America's history:
    1) He got conservative judge Neil Gorsuch and Brett Kavanaugh on the Supreme Court.
    2) The stock market is at an all-time high.
    3) Consumer confidence is at an all-time high.
    4) He created millions of jobs by undoing Obama’s regulations.
    5) Mortgage applications for new homes is at a 7 year high.
    6) Unemployment rate is at a 50 year low.
    7) Signed the promoting women in entrepreneurship act.
    8) Gutted over 800 Obama era regulations thus freeing up companies to hire again and get the economy moving once again.
    9) Ended the war on coal and caused a new mine for coal mining to open that will mine clean coal. He also put the miners back to work.
    10) Weakened Dodd-Frank regulations.
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    13) Building the border wall as promised.
    14) Fighting against sanctuary cities.
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    18) Imposed a five year lobbying plan.
    19) Sanctioned Iran over its’ missile program.
    20) Responded to Syria’s use of chemical weapons.
    21) Reduced tax reform plan.
    22) Renegotiated NAFTA and replaced with the USMCA.
    23) He withdrew from the Trans Pacific Partnership thus keeping jobs here.
    24) He pulled us out of the Paris Climate Accords thus saving us millions of dollars every year.
    25) Created a task force to reduce crime.
    26) The DOJ is targeting dangerous gangs like MS-13.
    27) Signed independence and economic growth law.
    28) Signed an executive order to protect police officers and target drug cartels.
    29) Signed an executive order for religious freedom.
    30) His administration is working on sending education back to the states.
    31) He’s fixing the dept. of Veterans affairs so now vets can choose their own doctors and be covered. This also protects whistle blowers and allows VA to terminate bad employees.
    32) Authorized construction of the Keystone and Dakota pipelines. The Dakota pipeline is up and running without harming the environment.
    33) Created commissions on election fraud and opioid addiction.
    34) Food stamp use is the lowest level in decades along with government dependency.
    35) Reduced the White House payroll saving taxpayers millions of dollars.
    36) Has donated his Presidential salary to various causes.
    37) Signed over 52 pieces of legislation.
    38) Cut 600 billion from UN peacekeeping mission.
    39) Gas prices lowest in more than 12 years.
    40) Making NATO allies pay billions of their fair share of dues owed.
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    42) Negotiated the USMCA trade deal with Mexico and Canada and eliminated the disastrous NAFTA.
    43) Brokered the biggest trade deal in history between the United States and China.
    44.) Now, he made Duterte to drop the VFA, saving America money.
             And not getting blamed for abandoning the Philippines. Smart!
  • joerizjoeriz Member PEx Influencer ⭐⭐⭐
    Trump banning US entry to de la Rosa was obviously a trap. Trump was really intending to cut assistance to the Philippines but did not like the blamed for abandoning the Philippines. So, knowing how Duterte will react, Trump  set the "ban entry" trap. And someone took the bait.
    Other nations might follow in baiting the Philippine president. Taiwan seems to be next.
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  • hellraiser2.hellraiser2. Registered User PEx Rookie ⭐

    Panelo contradicts Panelo: No Trump, Duterte phone call after all

    Presidential Spokesperson Salvador Panelo admits to reporters there was no scheduled call to begin with


    Nearing the end of a jampacked week in Malacañang, Presidential Spokesperson Salvador Panelo committed another gaffe when he contradicted an earlier statement he made about President Rodrigo Duterte's supposed scheduled phone call with US President Donald Trump.

    At a press briefing on Thursday, February 13, Panelo said Duterte no longer wanted to speak to Trump.

    Huh? But Panelo earlier announced there was one, so who backed out?

    It turns out that there was no scheduled call between the two leaders to begin with.

    Asked for an update on the supposed call after the Duterte government sent the Philippines' notice it was terminating its Visiting Forces Agreement (VFA) with the United States, Panelo said: "There was no schedule. There were – what do you call it, there were talks; there were initiatives that the two (presidents) should talk but na-overrun ng events (it was overrun by events)."

    "I asked the President and he said no, I won't (talk to Trump) anymore," he added.

    It was last Friday, February 7, when Panelo first mentioned that Duterte and Trump were supposed to have a phone call. That same night, he said Duterte "is instructing" Executive Secretary Salvador Medialdea to inform Foreign Secretary Teodoro Locsin Jr to send notice to the US to terminate the VFA.

    "PRRD is also scheduled to talk by phone with President Trump anytime," Panelo told reporters that Friday. At the time, he said the agenda for the two leaders' chat was "not clear."

    Panelo on Thursday, February 13, clarified it was supposedly the US government which "initiated" the phone call, but on the same day, he said Duterte "won't entertain any initiatives coming from the US government" to salvage the VFA.

    According to Panelo, Duterte was referring to "certain initiatives" by US government officials, that had the "approval" of higher officials.

    Between February 7 and February 13, the Duterte government took one step after another to terminate the 21-year-old defense pact with the US, a drastic policy decision that sees the country isolating itself from its old ally.

    Duterte even said that Trump and other top officials were trying to prevent the abrogation of the VFA, but that he was determined to end it.

    But on February 13, Trump said he was "fine" with the Philippine decision to abrogate the VFA. "I really don’t mind. If they would like to do that, that’s fine," Trump said. "I view it as, 'Thank you very much. We save a lot of money.'"

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  • hsusonhsuson Member PEx Influencer ⭐⭐⭐
    _knorr_ said:

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    Really DUMB, that is why Poor ang Pinas >:(
  • joerizjoeriz Member PEx Influencer ⭐⭐⭐
    edited February 17

    Potus Trump Says ‘It’s Fine’ If Philippines Quits Military Agreement



    Duterte didn't see that coming.
    Must have thought America would say " Sorry for the misunderstanding. De la Rosa's visa application to travel is now restored. I hope you'll understand for the betterment of the relationship between America and the Philippines."

    But instead, all he got was:

    ‘It’s Fine’




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    what's funny is that Trump comes out on top and then.....boom..... mic drop    =)  LOL
  • hellraiser2.hellraiser2. Registered User PEx Rookie ⭐

    PH to lose $27Billion Goods Services Trade & End of $342M US Aid&other assistance in removal U.S.VFA

    The United States is one of the largest foreign investors in the Philippines, and is the Philippines’ third-largest trading partner.

    U.S. Relations With the Philippines


    U.S. Assistance to Philippines

    The U.S. government’s goals in the Philippines are to strengthen democratic governance and support Philippine government efforts to promote inclusive development and contribute to security and development cooperation in the Indo-Pacific. U.S. assistance to the Philippines fosters broad-based economic growth; improves the health and education of Filipinos; promotes peace and security; advances democratic values, good governance, and human rights; and strengthens regional and global partnerships Department of State, Department of Defense, and the U.S. Agency for International Development (USAID) programs in conflict-affected areas of Mindanao aim to create a sustainable foundation for peace and stability in areas at risk from terrorism and violent extremism. U.S. assistance seeks to intensify cooperation through a whole-of-government approach that supports a free and open Indo-Pacific. The United States has had a Peace Corps program in the Philippines for over 50 years.

    Over the last decade, disaster relief and recovery has also become an increasingly important area of assistance to the Philippines.  The United States has provided over $143 million in assistance to date to the people of the Philippines in relief and recovery efforts after Typhoon Haiyan/Yolanda devastated the country in 2013.  The United States continues to support long-term reconstruction and rebuilding efforts, and has allocated over $60 million to support ongoing humanitarian assistance and stabilization funding in response to the Marawi seige.


    Bilateral Economic Relations

    The United States and the Philippines have a strong trade and investment relationship, with over $27 billion in goods and services traded (2086). The United States is one of the largest foreign investors in the Philippines, and is the Philippines’ third-largest trading partner.

    Key imports from the Philippines are semiconductor devices and computer peripherals, automobile parts, electric machinery, textiles and garments, wheat and animal feeds, coconut oil, and information technology/business process outsourcing services. Key U.S. exports to the Philippines are agriculture goods, machinery, cereals, raw and semi-processed materials for the manufacture of semiconductors, electronics, and transport equipment. The two countries have a bilateral Trade and Investment Framework Agreement, signed in 1989, and a tax treaty.  There are over 600 members in the Philippines chapter of the American Chamber of Commerce, which has national reach.


    Philippines’s Membership in International Organizations

    The Philippines and the United States belong to a many of the same international organizations, including the United Nations, ASEAN Regional Forum, Asia-Pacific Economic Cooperation (APEC) forum, International Monetary Fund, World Bank, and World Trade Organization. The Philippines is also an observer to the Organization of American States.  The Philippines served as chair and host of ASEAN for 2017.


    Source: https://www.state.gov/u-s-relations-with-the-philippines/

    United States of America Aid and Assistance to the Philippines





    ource: https://explorer.usaid.gov/cd/PHL





  • hsusonhsuson Member PEx Influencer ⭐⭐⭐
    ^All for Bato :(
  • joerizjoeriz Member PEx Influencer ⭐⭐⭐
    edited February 19
    And all US compsnies' call centers should pull out and move their business to India!

    Let's see if Duterte can say that:
    " Restore de ls Rosa's visa or Philippines will cancel all call center contracts and agreements with US companies."

    How about it, Honorable President?
  • hellraiser2.hellraiser2. Registered User PEx Rookie ⭐

    ‘China To Gain Upper Hand In South China Sea Without EDCA’

    A security analyst believes that without the Enhanced Defense Cooperation Agreement with the Philippines, US forces would have little choice but to concede the South China Sea to China in the opening stages of a conflict.

    China will immediately gain the upper hand in the first several weeks if a shooting war with the US breaks out in the South China Sea, a security analyst has warned.

    Gregory Poling, director of the Asia Maritime Transparency Initiative (AMTI) and a fellow at the Center for Strategic and International Studies in Washington, declared in an article on the War On The Rocks website that an armed conflict in the South China Sea would inevitably spread to Northeast Asia, including Japan and Taiwan, making it difficult for the US to wage two wars at the same time.

    The article was published on Jan. 10, or less than two weeks before President Duterte announced he was abrogating the Visiting Forces Agreement between the Philippines and the US. The VFA provides the legal framework for the presence of American troops in the country for various joint military and humanitarian activities.

    Reacting on Feb. 13, US President Donald Trump said he did not mind the termination of the VFA, saying his country would “save a lot of money.”

    Trump’s response to the Duterte administration’s scrapping of the VFA was in contrast to the reaction of US Defense Secretary Mark Esper, who said on Feb. 12 that the termination was “unfortunate” and a “move in the wrong direction.”

    Foreign Affairs Secretary Teodoro Locsin Jr. told senators in a recent hearing that without the VFA and 2014 Enhanced Defense Cooperation Agreement or EDCA, the 1951 Mutual Defense Treaty (MDT) between the two countries would just be a piece of paper.

    Following Trump’s reaction, presidential spokesman Salvador Panelo said Duterte’s “body language” indicated that even the MDT and EDCA may also be scrapped.

    Poling warned that contrary to common perception, it would be China – not the US – that would control the sea and airspace in the South China Sea in case of armed hostilities, thanks to its artificial island military bases.

    “Without the Enhanced Defense Cooperation Agreement, or some undiscovered (and unlikely) stand-in, US forces would have little choice but to concede the waters and airspace of the South China Sea to China in the opening stages of a conflict,” Poling said.

    Given the current American military posture in the region, it would be “prohibitively costly” for the US to neutralize those outposts during the early stages of a conflict, he added.

    “That would make the South China Sea a no-man’s land for most US forces (submarines excepted) during the critical early stages of any conflict – giving the islands considerable military value for Beijing,” Poling stressed.

    According to Poling, the huge cost and the delay in the US response to Chinese aggression in the disputed waters could be offset slightly with the full implementation of the EDCA to include combat aircraft at Basa Air Base in Pampanga and Antonio Bautista Air Base in Puerto Princesa, Palawan to contest Chinese air dominance in the South China Sea.

    He recalled that US F-16s participated for the first time in joint exercises in Basa last year. This would help both sides to become accustomed to US fighters operating from these bases and, if frequent enough, could strengthen deterrence by giving the United States some rapid-response capability in the South China Sea.

    Poling, however, acknowledged that the sluggish implementation of the EDCA is not likely to change given Duterte’s stance toward the US.

     Citing satellite and other research data from the AMTI, Poling said China has constructed 72 fighter jet hangars at its three airbases in the Spratlys – Fiery Cross, Mischief and Subi Reefs – along with another 16 on Woody Island in the Paracels.

    An arbitration court in The Hague has awarded the Philippines sovereign rights over Mischief or Panganiban Reef off Palawan – the first area where China began its island reclamation in the West Philippine Sea after the shutdown of US bases in the Philippines.

    Beijing has so far held off on deploying combat aircraft to the Spratlys, but it rotates J-11 fighters frequently through Woody.

    Assuming China instigates the conflict, it would be able to deploy combat aircraft rapidly to the airfields in the Spratlys, instantly establishing air dominance in the theater, unless the Chinese happened to pick a fight when US forces are engaged in a major exercise such as “Balikatan” in the Philippines, Poling said.

    He pointed out that the closest US ground-based combat aircraft would be in Okinawa in Japan and Guam, approximately 1,300 and 1,500 nautical miles away, respectively.

    The only US military planes in the region would be patrol aircraft in the Philippines, and potentially, Malaysia. Manila is only some 428 nautical miles from Mischief Reef.

    China has also deployed YJ-12B and YJ-62 anti-ship cruise missiles to its outposts in the Spratlys and Paracels, backed by longer-range missile capabilities from the mainland. And it has invested heavily in radar and signals intelligence capabilities on all the islands, making it a safe bet that it sees just about anything moving on or above the South China Sea, Poling observed.

    “A US Navy vessel sailing in those waters would be well within the range of Chinese fire if hostilities break out. Lacking supporting ground-based fire or air cover, the only rational option would be to pull back to the Sulu and Celebes Seas, and probably beyond, as quickly as possible. This would be especially true of any US aircraft carrier that happened to be in the theater, since it would be far too valuable to leave in such an indefensible position,” Poling said.

    “In the face of these Chinese advantages, could the US still neutralize the island bases early in a fight? Probably, but not at an acceptable cost. Doing so would require expending a lot of ordnance likely desperately needed in Northeast Asia, diverting important air and naval platforms and placing them at risk out of proportion to the potential battlefield gains,” he added.



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    Oh yeah...and at what effect???  So we shall continue being Uncle Sam's willing lapdog????

    At least President Duterte has the cojones to stand up against Donnie Boy.

    If you don't want America or China we may as well be North Korea and be taken over by the Kims

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