Xi, Duterte Fail to Reach Agreement on South China Sea Issues

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edited August 30 in Local and Foreign Issues

Xi, Duterte Fail to Reach Agreement on South China Sea Issues

Andreo Calonzo
BloombergAugust 29, 2019
Xi, Duterte Fail to Reach Agreement on South China Sea Issues

(Bloomberg) -- Philippine President Rodrigo Duterte’s much-touted meeting with Chinese leader Xi Jinping yielded no agreement on the South China Sea territorial dispute between the two nations or a plan to explore the area for oil and gas.

Instead, Xi said China and the Philippines should aim to conclude talks on the Code of Conduct in the South China Sea by 2021, the state-run Xinhua News Agency reported in a Weibo post. This was Duterte’s fifth visit to China in his three years in office, and his eighth meeting with Xi.

Duterte was “steadfast” in his nation’s territorial claims and its victory in the arbitral court three years ago which the Philippine leader described as “final, binding and not subject to appeal,” his spokesman Salvador Panelo said in a statement. Xi stood by China’s position of not recognizing the ruling.

“Both President Duterte and President Xi agreed that while their variant positions will have to remain, their differences however need not derail nor diminish the amity between the two countries,” Panelo said. They agreed “to manage the South China Sea issue, and to continue to dialogue peacefully in resolving the conflict.”

The meeting in Beijing took place amid tensions over China’s increasing presence in South China Sea and Beijing’s crackdown on the Philippines’ billion-peso online casinos catering mostly to Chinese nationals.

Six Deals

A loan agreement for a rail project across the Philippines’ main island and a financing cooperation were among the six deals signed, witnessed by Xi and Duterte. A joint oil and gas exploration was not in the list provided to media.

Weeks before the trip and as the Philippines protested the presence of hundreds of Chinese vessels in one of the disputed Spratly Islands, Duterte said the time had come to bring up his country’s 2016 international tribunal win against China. He had set aside the ruling to warm ties with Xi and tap Chinese funding.

Philippine envoy to China Chito Sta. Romana said hours before the Duterte-Xi meeting that the two nations were seeking to advance plans for joint South China Sea oil and gas exploration during the bilateral.

“We are trying to find a way within certain parameters to move forward,” the ambassador said. “We hope to get it going as fast as possible.”

Chinese Warships

Duterte was also expected to raise with Xi the presence of Chinese warships and survey vessels in Philippine waters, which has triggered diplomatic protests from Manila over the past weeks. It is not clear if this happened.

“President Duterte and President Xi agreed on the importance of self-restraint and respect for freedom of navigation in - and overflight above - the South China Sea,” Panelo said in his statement. Duterte also raised the possible joint exploration, he said. There was no mention of the presence of Chinese vessels in the spokesman’s statement.

It’s unlikely that Duterte’s meeting with Xi will yield a concrete plan to address the issue, said Jeffrey Ordaniel, assistant professor of international security studies at Tokyo International University.

“Xi wants a good media narrative out of his meeting with Duterte,” Ordaniel said. “Certainly, China wants to create a false atmosphere of calm and cooperation in the South China Sea.”

Chinese Foreign Ministry spokesman Geng Shuang said last week that Beijing wants to “expand practical cooperation to ensure steady and sustained progress” in its ties with the Philippines through Xi’s meeting with Duterte.

The issue of online casinos, which China wants the Philippines to halt, was also not mentioned in Panelo’s statement. Manila has stopped granting new permits for online casinos, but China wants a total ban.

(Updates with Duterte spokesman’s comments.)

--With assistance from Cecilia Yap.

To contact the reporter on this story: Andreo Calonzo in Manila at [email protected]

To contact the editors responsible for this story: Cecilia Yap at [email protected], Ruth Pollard, Clarissa Batino

https://news.yahoo.com/xi-duterte-fail-reach-agreement-012551127.html

Does this really surprise anyone?

It is difficult to imagine a different outcome when President  Duterte doesn't  really have a discernible leverage coming to the table.


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  • gotta lick itgotta lick it Member PEx Influencer ⭐⭐⭐

    whats NEW??

    we knew it all along



    aminin na ni DuDirty at hindi yun Spartlys ang PRIORITY

    ... habol niya ay more INVESTMENT, DEVELOPMENT AID at 50% KICKBACK

  • Phil E. BusterPhil E. Buster Member PEx Influencer ⭐⭐⭐
    Like a lowly employee asking his boss for a raise.
  • IronHandofJusticeIronHandofJustice Member PEx Guru 🎖️🎖️
    Sad pero we knew it was coming.
  • gotta lick itgotta lick it Member PEx Influencer ⭐⭐⭐
    DuDirty: Arbitrary Ruling
    Xi Jinping: NO
    DuDirty: Code of Conduct
    Xi JinPing: ALLOW US JOINT EXPLORATION
    DuDirty: PUtaang .... este .... PA-UTANG ULI
  • knorrknorr 8anned by Abmin PExer

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  • ArnoldZArnoldZ Member PEx Influencer ⭐⭐⭐

    China tells Philippines it won't recognize ruling on sea row


    Associated PressAugust 31, 2019
    China Philippines
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    Philippine President Rodrigo Duterte, left, and Chinese President Xi Jinping, right, meet at the Diaoyutai State Guesthouse in Beijing, Thursday, Aug. 29, 2019. (How Hwee Young/Pool Photo via AP)

    BEIJING (AP) — Chinese President Xi Jinping told his Philippine counterpart that Beijing will not recognize an international arbitration ruling that has invalidated most of China's claims to virtually the entire South China Sea, the Philippine leader's spokesman said.

    The row over the disputed waters — a major global shipping route thought to be rich in oil and gas reserves — has for years marred China's relationship with the Philippines and other neighboring countries with rival territorial claims. Beijing has transformed a string of disputed reefs into missile-protected island bases.

    Philippine President Rodrigo Duterte has largely avoided the subject in favor of seeking warmer ties with Beijing. But under domestic pressure, Duterte raised the issue in talks with Xi in Beijing this week, Duterte spokesman Salvador Panelo said in a statement Friday.

    Duterte told Xi that the 2016 ruling of an international arbitration panel in The Hague, in which China had refused to participate, "is final, binding and not subject to appeal."

    "In response, President Xi reiterated his government's position of not recognizing the arbitral ruling as well as not budging from its position," Panelo said.

    "Both President Duterte and President Xi agreed that while their variant positions will have to remain, their tdifferences however need not derail nor diminish the amity between the two countries," he added.

    He said that Duterte raised the possible joint exploration of resources between the Philippines and China, and both leaders agreed on the importance of self-restraint and respect of freedom of n 

    Philippine Defense Secretary Delfin Lorenzana asked Beijing earlier this month to explain the activities of Chinese research vessels and warships in what the Philippines claims as its waters, and accused China of "bullying."

    Lorenzana said China did not ask for permission to send several warships through the Sibutu Strait at the southern tip of the Philippine archipelago on four occasions between February and July. He said two Chinese research ships have also been operating in the Philippines' exclusive economic zone.

    Meanwhile, Philippine military spokesman Brig. Gen. Edgard Arevalo accused China of "duplicity," saying the Chinese warships shut off their identification transponders while passing through Philippine waters to avoid radar detection.

    https://news.yahoo.com/china-tells-philippines-wont-recognize-013927981.html

    How many times Philippines have to ask China to follow the Hague ruling?

    China has already decided, international ruling or not , China is keeping the South China Seal

  • gotta lick itgotta lick it Member PEx Influencer ⭐⭐⭐
    edited August 31
    knorr said:

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    three words, ".... Chinese DEBT Trap!!!"



    ang kapalit ng UTANG: mananalo ang GILAS sa Angola sa China FIBA Qualifiers.
  • buddywbuddyw Member PEx Influencer ⭐⭐⭐

    Breaking a vow, Duterte wheels and deals with Xi

    Filipino leader’s 8th meeting with Chinese counterpart put commerce ahead of confrontation in South China Sea

    gainst the backdrop of rising tensions in the South China Sea, Philippine President Rodrigo Duterte embarked on his fifth visit to Beijing to meet top Chinese leaders, including President Xi Jinping, Premier Li Keqiang, and Vice-President Wang Qishan.

    The high-profile visit, from August 28 to September 1, comes at a crucial juncture in bilateral relations as the Filipino leader faces rising domestic pressure to take a tougher line against Beijing’s expansionist designs in maritime territories claimed by Manila.

    Preliminary reports of his meeting with Xi, however, indicate Duterte maintained a conciliatory stance, with no sign that he raises the 2016 arbitration award Manila won at The Hague vis-a-vis China’s sweeping claims to the South China Sea.

    Beijing has consistently rejected the legitimacy of the tribunal award, which Duterte put aside soon after winning office in mid-2016 but in recent weeks vowed to resurrect during his meeting with the Chinese leader.

    Instead, the two sides focused on finalizing controversial resource-sharing deals in the disputed waters, which Duterte’s opposition critics have claimed could violate local laws on sovereignty depending on how they are brokered. Officials said a final deal could be agreed as early as November.

    As he passes the mid-way point of his six-year term, Duterte has doubled down on his rapprochement with the Asian powerhouse, potentially setting the trajectory of bilateral relations and the maritime disputes well beyond his presidency, which legally ends after one term in 2022.

    Still, Sino-Philippine relations suffered a major blow in June after a suspected Chinese militia vessel sunk a Filipino fishing boat in the Reed Bank, followed in recent weeks by growing incursions by Chinese surveillance vessels and warships into Philippine waters.

    The incident sparked wider recriminations. Philippine National Security Advisor Hermogenes Esperon and Defense Secretary Delfin Lorenzana, have also openly warned in statements that an influx of illegal Chinese workers to the Philippines represents a security “threat.”

    Lorenzana had openly called on Duterte to raise the intrusion of Chinese warships in Philippine territorial waters in his meeting with Chinese leaders. The defense chief also recently raised concerns that Chinese-run gambling enclaves in Manila might be leveraged by Beijing to spy on local military installations.

    Instead of ratcheting up tensions and jeopardizing relations with his hosts, Duterte leveraged his presidential record 8th meeting with his Chinese counterpart to push forward proposed joint resource-sharing deals in the South China Sea.

    Ahead of Duterte’s visit, China sought to ease bilateral tensions by issuing a formal apology for the Reed Bank incident, when 22 Filipino fishermen reportedly nearly drowned to death after being rammed by a Chinese vessel. They were rescued by a passing Vietnamese boat.

    The culprit, through the Guangdong Fishery Mutual Insurance Association, expressed “deep regret that this accident had to happen and I would like to express my deep sympathy to the Filipino fishermen” while offering potential civil compensation for damages caused by the incident.

    Philippine Ambassador to China Chito Sta Romana warmly welcomed the apology, stating: “It was clear to us that, not only from the president but also from the secretary of foreign affairs, he made it clear that what we want is a public formal apology — written not verbal. ”

    The Filipino envoy suggested that the two sides are now on the “cusp of closure” with the apology letter. Presidential spokesman Salavador Panelo added: “President Duterte and President Xi agreed on the importance of self-restraint and respect for freedom of navigation in – and overflight above – the South China Sea.”

    Accompanied by 11 Cabinet members, including his defense and finance secretaries, Duterte lauded the “fresh impetus” and “stronger momentum to work together” in order to develop “a strong and special relationship that is mutually, respectfully, collectively beneficial, and [decidedly] reciprocal.”

    Welcoming “expanding” bilateral cooperation, including defense and strategic realms, Duterte admitted that “there had been challenges” in bilateral relations while welcoming a shared “commitment to define our ties as a comprehensive strategic cooperation.”





  • gotta lick itgotta lick it Member PEx Influencer ⭐⭐⭐

    Chinese Investment = Chinese DEBT Trap

    Chinese Development AID = Chinese DEBT Trap

    UTANG ay UTANG

    at lalong tayong nilulubog ni DuDirty sa Chinese DEBT Trap



    only #16MillionIdoits can see this is a DUMB deal
  • knorrknorr 8anned by Abmin PExer

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  • joerizjoeriz Member PEx Influencer ⭐⭐⭐
    edited September 3
    "In response, President Xi reiterated his government's position of not recognizing the arbitral ruling as well as not budging from its position," Panelo said.

    Mr. Duterte should have just abruptly stood up, walked away and headed back home, after saying to Xi. "Then we have nothing to talk about! Goód-bye, sir!"
    But what did he do? Stayed and still be lovey-dovey!
  • Phil E. BusterPhil E. Buster Member PEx Influencer ⭐⭐⭐
    edited September 5
    But the Xi-Duterte meetings are just for show. Nothing is really expected. The thing is the Philippines' territories claim is paramount to the aspirations of Fiipinos in asserting  their sovereignty and is taken for granted and put  in the back burner to be upstaged by the Sanchez fiasco!
  • buddywbuddyw Member PEx Influencer ⭐⭐⭐
    South China Sea

    Philippine President Duterte admits being at a loss getting Beijing to honour South China Sea ruling

    Philippine President Rodrigo Duterte acknowledged that he is running out of options in his efforts to press Beijing to adhere to an arbitration decision that favoured Manila in its dispute with Beijing over claims in the South China Sea.

    Speaking at a news conference on September 4, 2019, Duterte even asked reporters if they had any suggestions for him regarding persuading Chinese leaders.

    Beijing has rejected a 2016 decision by an arbitration tribunal at The Hague favouring the Philippines and rejecting Chinese claims to disputed territory in the South China Sea. 

     



  • ArnoldZArnoldZ Member PEx Influencer ⭐⭐⭐
    Grow a pair!
  • gotta lick itgotta lick it Member PEx Influencer ⭐⭐⭐
    buddyw said:
    South China Sea

    Philippine President Duterte admits being at a loss getting Beijing to honour South China Sea ruling

    Philippine President Rodrigo Duterte acknowledged that he is running out of options in his efforts to press Beijing to adhere to an arbitration decision that favoured Manila in its dispute with Beijing over claims in the South China Sea.

    Speaking at a news conference on September 4, 2019, Duterte even asked reporters if they had any suggestions for him regarding persuading Chinese leaders.

    Beijing has rejected a 2016 decision by an arbitration tribunal at The Hague favouring the Philippines and rejecting Chinese claims to disputed territory in the South China Sea. 

     



    dapat hindi siya pumunta ng China .... moro moro lang iyan

    ang totoong pakay niya ay yun Chinese Debt Trap at 50% KICKBACK



    the FRENCH have expressed their interest in doing Oil and Gas Exploration at the Spratlys but Malacanang never attempted to talk to them

  • buddywbuddyw Member PEx Influencer ⭐⭐⭐

    Duterte: Energy deal OK with China if PH drops claim



    MANILA, Philippines — President Rodrigo Duterte said on Tuesday that Chinese President Xi Jinping had offered the Philippines a controlling stake in a proposed joint energy venture in the West Philippine Sea if it would set aside an international arbitral ruling award that went against China.

    The President said Xi told him during their meeting in Beijing in August that if he ignored the 2016 ruling of the UN-backed Permanent Court of Arbitration, China would agree to be the junior partner in the proposed joint venture to develop gas deposits in Recto Bank, located in the West Philippine Sea, waters within the Philippines’ 370-kilometer exclusive economic zone (EEZ) in the heavily disputed South China Sea.

    60-40 sharing

    “Set aside the arbitral ruling,” the President told reporters in Malacañang, quoting Xi. “Set aside your claim. Then allow everybody connected with the Chinese companies. They want to explore. If there is something, they said, we will be gracious enough to give you 60 percent, only 40 percent will be theirs. That is the promise of Xi Jinping.”

    But Foreign Affairs Secretary Teodoro Locsin Jr. refuted the President’s statements on Wednesday, saying China did not attach such a condition to the proposed joint exploration deal.

    “I read everything he told President Xi. China has never made setting aside the arbitral award a prerequisite to anything,” Locsin replied to a reporter’s question via Twitter.

    “On the contrary, China agrees with the Philippines to disagree on their respective claims,” Locsin said.

    He said the memorandum of understanding that he signed with Chinese Foreign Minister Wang Yi “applies only in disputed areas, not in areas everyone, including China, admits belongs to the Philippines.”

    Locsin cited Justice Menardo Guevarra’s legal opinion that the memorandum did not compromise the Philippines’ sovereignty in the West Philippine Sea.

    Guevarra’s legal opinion

    “Can’t help it if traitors try to put a treasonous spin to it. But it’s [OK], one day they’ll be assassinated with impunity; indeed to loud acclaim,” Locsin said.

    After Xi’s visit to the Philippines in November last year, Guevarra vouched for the legal soundness of a joint exploration deal, saying there was no need for the Senate to ratify it because it was not a treaty.

    “There are no sovereignty issues whatsoever as the [memorandum of understanding] merely expresses a mutual desire to agree on specific cooperation arrangements within 12 months,” Guevarra said in December.

    He said the agreement expressly stated that it “shall be without prejudice to the respective legal positions of the two governments and does not give rise to any rights or obligations under international or domestic law.”

    “It’s just [a memorandum of understanding], it’s noncommittal, nonobligatory and nonbinding from a legal standpoint. It’s a mere expression of mutual desires,” Guevarra said.

    China’s embassy in Manila had no comment on Wednesday on President Duterte’s remarks.

    Arbitral ruling

    The tribunal in The Hague clarified maritime boundaries and the Philippines’ sovereign entitlements, and in doing so, invalidated China’s claims to nearly the entire South China Sea.

    China, which did not take part in the arbitration, does not recognize the ruling.

    The President has sought to befriend Xi, hoping to secure billions of dollars of investment, avoiding challenging China over its activities in the South China Sea, including its militarization of seven artificial islands.

    Any agreement to forget the arbitral award and team up with China would be a major setback to other claimants, especially Vietnam and Malaysia, which like the Philippines have experienced repeated challenges from China’s coast guard inside their EEZs.

    The United States has called that bullying and coercion aimed at denying rivals’ access to their energy assets.

    The President did not say if he had agreed to Xi’s offer, but said part of the arbitral award that referred to the EEZ “we will ignore to come up with an economic activity.”

    PH exploration rights

    The Hague tribunal said the Philippines had legal rights to exploit gas deposits that China also claims at Recto Bank, located about 140 km off the Philippine coast and internationally known as Reed Bank.

    The Philippines’ only accessible gas resources at Malampaya fields, off Palawan province, are set to run out by 2024.

    A joint project with China has been talked about for decades, but has gone nowhere because of their competing claims.

    Joint activity could be deemed as legitimizing the other side’s claim, or even relinquishing sovereign rights.

    Locsin said in a television interview on Wednesday that a preliminary agreement between China and the Philippines would avoid stating which country was entitled to the gas.

    “It’s very clear — no legal position is compromised if we enter into this agreement,” Locsin said, adding that putting aside the arbitration case was immaterial because the Hague court had already made its decision.

    “It’s final and binding,” Locsin added. —Wth a report from the wires


  • buddywbuddyw Member PEx Influencer ⭐⭐⭐

    Duterte says Xi offered gas deal if 2016 Hague arbitration win ignored

    PRESIDENT Rodrigo R. Duterte said his Chinese counterpart has offered Manila a controlling stake in a joint energy venture in the South China Sea, if it sets aside an international arbitral award that went against Beijing.

    Mr. Duterte said Chinese President Xi Jinping told him during their recent meeting that if he ignored the Permanent Court of Arbitration’s 2016 ruling, China would agree to be the junior partner in a joint venture to develop gas deposits at the Reed Bank, located within Manila’s exclusive economic zone (EEZ).

    “Set aside the arbitral ruling,” Mr. Duterte was quoted as telling reporters late Tuesday in remarks provided by his office on Wednesday.

    “Set aside your claim,” he said, quoting Mr. Xi. “Then allow everybody connected with the Chinese companies. They want to explore. If there is something, they said, we will be gracious enough to give you 60%, only 40% will be theirs. That is the promise of Xi Jinping.”

    Chinese Foreign Ministry spokeswoman Hua Chunying did not give specifics at a briefing on Wednesday on the exchange between the presidents, but said Mr. Xi noted that cooperation would yield greater progress in exploiting the sea’s resources.

    Ms. Hua said Mr. Duterte had expressed willingness to hasten maritime oil and gas exploration and development cooperation between China and the Philippines. With regard to some “specific situations,” working groups between the two sides would consult closely, she said.

    The tribunal in The Hague clarified maritime boundaries and the Philippines’ sovereign entitlements, and in doing so, invalidated China’s claims to almost the entire South China Sea. China does not recognize the ruling.

    Mr. Duterte has sought to befriend Mr. Xi, hoping to secure billions of dollars of investment, avoiding challenging China over its activities in the South China Sea, including its militarized artificial islands.

    BIG SETBACK
    Any agreement to forget the arbitral award and team up with China would be a major setback to other claimants, especially Vietnam and Malaysia, which like the Philippines have experienced repeated challenges from China’s coast guard inside their EEZs.

    The United States has called that bullying and coercion aimed at denying rivals’ access to their energy assets.

    Mr. Duterte did not say if he had agreed to Mr. Xi’s offer, but said the part of the arbitral award that referred to the EEZ “we will ignore to come up with an economic activity”.

    The tribunal said the Philippines had legal rights to exploit gas deposits that China also claims at the Reed Bank, about 85 miles (140 kilometers) off the Philippine coast.

    The Philippines’ only accessible gas resources at the Malampaya fields will run out by 2024.

    A joint project with China has been talked about for decades, but has gone nowhere due to the competing claims.

    Joint activity could be deemed as legitimizing the other side’s claim, or even relinquishing sovereign rights.

    Philippine Foreign Secretary Teodoro L. Locsin, Jr. on Wednesday told ABS-CBN News Channel that a preliminary agreement between China and the Philippines would avoid stating which country was entitled to the gas.

    “It’s very clear — no legal position is compromised if we enter into this agreement,” Mr. Locsin said, adding that putting aside the arbitration case was immaterial, because an international court had already made its decision.

    “It’s final and binding.”

    ANALYSTS CAUTION
    Sought for comment, analysts urged careful study of Beijing’s overtures.

    “The problem with the proposal raised by President Xi, assuming the conversation really took place, is that it places our claim in a weak position, coming from an assumption that we are the ones who are asking the Chinese for something,” Enrico V. Gloria, political science assistant professor of the University of the Philippines-Diliman, said in an e-mail on Wednesday.

    “This is a very problematic assumption as it seems to ignore our victory in the arbitration court. The Philippines should be at the driver seat and be the one setting the conditions and parameters on any joint cooperation project in the West Philippine Sea by virtue of us having sovereign rights in those areas, as ruled by the arbitration court,” Mr. Gloria explained.

    “While it might not be obvious for the president, the whole conversation he cited appears to have changed the entire narrative of the Permanent Court of Arbitration ruling itself — that is, China has the sovereign rights and, crucially, we are merely asking for their ‘graciousness’ to exploit the resources within it with them. And that is a thought (or a narrative) the President should be wary about.”

    For his part, Michael Henry Ll. Yusingco, senior research fellow at the Ateneo de Manila University Policy Center, said in a separate e-mail: “First, it is not helpful to him because it makes him look like a weak leader. I do not believe he wants to be perceived as such. I know Filipinos would never want their President to be seen by others, specially by other countries, as a weak leader. We always want to our President to project strength in the international stage.”

    “Second, it is not helpful to Filipinos because the apparent capitulation to China is very disheartening. Filipinos know that the Philippines is not a powerful nation but protecting and preserving the country’s dignity is still very important. An obvious submission by our national leader to the demands of a foreign dictator is very hard to accept,” he added.

    “Third, it is not helpful to the country’s long-term future because the apparent capitulation can alienate allies in the region. The full pivot to China may cause other countries to change their policy towards the Philippines — changes that can raise both security and trade concerns for us, which we may not be ready to address,” Mr. Yusingco continued.

    “Strengthening our bilateral relations with China is not a bad move. In fact, it is necessary. But the statements and behavior of our government officials leading this effort must be consistent with the constitutional prescription that the Philippines must always pursue an independent foreign policy. Our government officials, the President most especially, in dealing with foreign nations must always project in words and in deeds the constitutional prescription that the Filipinos’ paramount concern is always national sovereignty and territorial integrity.”

  • hsusonhsuson Member PEx Influencer ⭐⭐⭐
    Bobo talaga itong china.....

    Wants Asean to restrict US ships in the SCS.

    Bwahahaha
  • b0kn0yb0kn0y Member PEx Rookie ⭐
    pinapaikot lang ni duterte ang pilipinas. gaya pagpapaikot nya sa davao voters sa loob ng ilang dekada.
  • Plantation BoyPlantation Boy Member PEx Influencer ⭐⭐⭐
    edited September 13
    In the end, China will prevail!
    Guess who's to blame? The geniuses who kicked out the Americans from Clark and Subic! If it were not for them, China will not even attempt to build anything in the islands in South China Sea.
    American politicians, Democrats and Republicans are opposed to providing any support, financial or military.
    The getting kicked out is one reason, the other is what they consider violation of human rights in the EJKs.

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