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  • hermano_caloyhermano_caloy Member PEx Rookie ⭐
    Bakit ko patutunayang hindi nakarehistro sa SEC ang INC ay sinabi ko nang nakarehistro at alam ng lahat na naka-rehistro dahil yan ay common knowledge na? Kayo man ay inamin nyong nakarehistro din kayo, e di walang masamang mag-rehistro sa SEC! Nag-iisip ba kayo sa sinasabi nyo? :lol:  
    Ganun ba? sabihin mo sa akin kung totoo ito o hindi:  "isang juridical person ang "iglesia" ni ginoong FYM o ang INC."
    Hindi ko naiintindiah yang sinasabi nyo, bakit hindi muna nyo ipaliwanag? At anong kaibahan ng pagrerehistro ni FYM sa SEC sa pagrerehistro nyo sa SEC?
    Ayon sa Wiki:

    A juridical person is a non-human legal entity, in other words any organization that is not a single natural person but is authorized by law with duties and rights and is recognized as a legal person and as having a distinct identity. This includes any incorporated organizations including corporations...

    iyan ang aktwal na description ng "iglesia" ni ginoong FYM; factual ito at hindi hango sa isang interpretasyon sa Bibliya na maraming ang nag-interpret hindi lamang si ginoong FYM.

    Maski hindi na tayo dumako pa sa Bibliya sa Corporation Code of the Philippines pa lang mismo ay malalaman na kung ano ba talaga ang iglesia na tinutukoy ni ginoong FYM gayong narehistro na ito sa SEC.
  • hermano_caloyhermano_caloy Member PEx Rookie ⭐
    @KidlatNgayon

    Ano ang kaibahan sa pagkarehistro ni ginoong FYM ng INC sa pagkarehistro ng MCJ sa SEC? Roma 16:16 vs Roma 15:16 respectively; yung una "iglesia", yung huli "tao"
  • KidlatNgayonKidlatNgayon Member PEx Influencer ⭐⭐⭐
    Why did the Iglesia Ni Cristo register with the Philippine government as a corporation sole?

    The Iglesia Ni Cristo (Church Of Christ) was registered with the Philippine government in July 27, 1914, and it was registered as a "corporation sole" because this was mandated by the existing law of the land, the Corporation Law of 1906:

    “Section 154. For the administration of the temporalities of any religious denomination, society, or church, and the management of the estates and properties thereof, it shall be lawful for the bishop, chief priest, or presiding elder of any such religious denomination, society, or church to become a corporation sole unless inconsistent with the rules, regulations, or discipline of his religious denomination, society, or church or forbidden by competent authority thereof.” (The Corporation Law of 1906 (Act No. 1459), s.v. “Religious Corporation,” Section 154.)

    Thus, all religions in the Philippines that were registered with the government are registered as corporation sole or unipersonal corporation. So, the Iglesia Ni Cristo is also registered as a corporation sole or unipersonal corporation.


    What is a corporation sole?

    A Corporation sole is an artificial being having the right of succession and the powers, attributes, and properties expressly authorized by law:

    “Section 2. A corporation is an artificial being created by operation of law, having the right of succession and the powers, attributes, and properties expressly authorized by law or incident to its existence.” (The Corporation Law of 1906, Section 2.)

    This is needed for the society or church to have the legal rights to purchase, hold, mortgage, or sell real state:

    “Section 164. Such corporations shall have the right to purchase, hold, mortgage, or sell real estate for its church, charitable, benevolent, or educational purposes by and with the consent of a majority of its membership.” (The Corporation Law of 1906, Section 164.)

    The bishop, chief priest, or presiding elder (the Executive Minister in the case of the Iglesia Ni Cristo), is not the owner but the administrator of the temporalities of the denomination, society or church:

    “Section 154. For the administration of the temporalities of any religious denomination, society, or church, and the management of the estates and properties thereof, it shall be lawful for the bishop, chief priest, or presiding elder of any such religious denomination, society, or church to become a corporation sole…” (The Corporation Law of 1906 (Act No. 1459), s.v. “Religious Corporation,” Section 154.)

    In registering the Iglesia Ni Cristo as a sole corporation shows how sincere and pure the intention of Brother Felix Y. Manalo. In registering the Iglesia Ni Cristo as a corporation sole, the Executive Minister is NOT THE OWNER but only the administrator of the temporalities or properties of the Church.


    Did the Iglesia Ni Cristo change its registration from corporation sole to “stock corporation”?

    The Iglesia Ni Cristo was registered as corporation sole in 1914. The Church continues to be registered as a corporation sole up to this date. Besides, the law of our country will not permit a religious corporation to become a “stock corporation.” The Law mandates that a religion must be registered as a corporation sole:

    “Section 154. For the administration of the temporalities of any religious denomination, society, or church, and the management of the estates and properties thereof, it shall be lawful for the bishop, chief priest, or presiding elder of any such religious denomination, society, or church to become a corporation sole…” (The Corporation Law of 1906 (Act No. 1459), s.v. “Religious Corporation,” Section 154.)

    Thus, the Iglesia Ni Cristo will continue as a corporation sole.


    Is it right to accuse the Iglesia Ni Cristo of being a “business” because it was registered as a corporation sole?

    Not all corporations are “business”. This is how Encarta define the word “corporation”:

    “1. group regarded as individual by law: a company recognized by law as a single body with its own powers and liabilities, separate from those of the individual members.
    “Corporations perform many of the functions of private business, governments, educational bodies, and the professions.
     “2. local governing authority: the governing authority of an incorporated municipality such as a city or town.
    “3. group acting as single entity: a group of people acting as a single entity.” (Encarta Dictionary, Microsoft Encarta c. 2009, Microsoft Corporation c. 1993-2008.)

    There are different kinds of “corporation” – there are business corporations, corporation for charitable and educational purposes, incorporated municipality, and there is what we call as “religious corporation.” Our law gives distinction between business corporation and religious corporation. The Iglesia Ni Cristo is a “religious corporation” and not a “business corporation.” 
  • KidlatNgayonKidlatNgayon Member PEx Influencer ⭐⭐⭐
    Ngayon po ay naiintindihan ko na kung bakit hindi kayo "iglesia", kasi kung iglesia kayo, dapat ay corporation sole ang SEC registration nyo at hindi nyo maaangkin ang mga properties nito! :lol: 
  • hermano_caloyhermano_caloy Member PEx Rookie ⭐
    @KidlatNgayon

    Ang sinasabi ko ay isang juridical person ang INC na ang aktwal na existence ay sa pamamagitan ng Articles of Incorporation at hindi sa pamamagitan ni Cristo Jesus, ito ang mahalagang bagay na dapat maunawaan, hindi lang po kayo kundi ng iba pa; iba ang INC na "iglesia" kaysa sa itinatag ni Jesus.
  • KidlatNgayonKidlatNgayon Member PEx Influencer ⭐⭐⭐
    @KidlatNgayon

    Ang sinasabi ko ay isang juridical person ang INC na ang aktwal na existence ay sa pamamagitan ng Articles of Incorporation at hindi sa pamamagitan ni Cristo Jesus, ito ang mahalagang bagay na dapat maunawaan, hindi lang po kayo kundi ng iba pa; iba ang INC na "iglesia" kaysa sa itinatag ni Jesus.
    At kayo ba ay IGLESIA na itinatag ni Jesus samantalang sabi nyo ay HINDI kayo iglesia? Malabo po ang doctrina nyo! :D KAILANGANG ma-register sa gobyerno ang iglesia dahil yan po ang BATAS NG LUPA, na itinuro ni Cristo na SUNDIN ng Kanyang mga tunay na alagad!
  • hermano_caloyhermano_caloy Member PEx Rookie ⭐
    @KidlatNgayon

    Ang sinasabi ko ay isang juridical person ang INC na ang aktwal na existence ay sa pamamagitan ng Articles of Incorporation at hindi sa pamamagitan ni Cristo Jesus, ito ang mahalagang bagay na dapat maunawaan, hindi lang po kayo kundi ng iba pa; iba ang INC na "iglesia" kaysa sa itinatag ni Jesus.
    At kayo ba ay IGLESIA na itinatag ni Jesus samantalang sabi nyo ay HINDI kayo iglesia? Malabo po ang doctrina nyo! :D KAILANGANG ma-register sa gobyerno ang iglesia dahil yan po ang BATAS NG LUPA, na itinuro ni Cristo na SUNDIN ng Kanyang mga tunay na alagad!
    Sinasabi ko na ang ministro ni Cristo Jesus ay ako kaya masasabi ko na iba ang "iglesia" ni FYM o ang INC kaysa sa iglesia na itinatag ng aking Panginoong Jesucristo; wala ka sa posisyon ng awtoridad o mayroon mang karapatan para magsalita gaya ng inyong sariling na ring pag-amin para gamitin ang makapangyarihan na Pangalan ni Cristo dahil hindi ka ministro ni Cristo Jesus o maging ang kinikilala mo na mga ministro, para sabihin na itinuro ni Jesus ang pagsunod sa batas sa lupa sa punto ng parehistro ng iglesia; ang corporation code of the philippines ang nagsasabi ng magrehistro, hindi kailangan gamitin pa ang pangalan ni Cristo.
  • alchemistofophiralchemistofophir Christian Communist PEx Influencer ⭐⭐⭐
    @KidlatNgayon

    Ang sinasabi ko ay isang juridical person ang INC na ang aktwal na existence ay sa pamamagitan ng Articles of Incorporation at hindi sa pamamagitan ni Cristo Jesus, ito ang mahalagang bagay na dapat maunawaan, hindi lang po kayo kundi ng iba pa; iba ang INC na "iglesia" kaysa sa itinatag ni Jesus.
    At kayo ba ay IGLESIA na itinatag ni Jesus samantalang sabi nyo ay HINDI kayo iglesia? Malabo po ang doctrina nyo! :D KAILANGANG ma-register sa gobyerno ang iglesia dahil yan po ang BATAS NG LUPA, na itinuro ni Cristo na SUNDIN ng Kanyang mga tunay na alagad!
    so confined kayo sa iisang lupa.

    kaya hindi inireregister ang Catholic Church as an NGO kasi ano daw?

    Matthew 28:19 New International Version (NIV)

    19 Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit,


    ALL NATIONS daw.


    so pag niregister nyo sa Pinas, confined kayo sa Pinas.

    taliwas sa Matthew 28:19 yan.

    at it follows na kelangan nyong iregister sa mga gobyerno na kung saan nyo tinapon yang relihiyon nyo gaya ng ginawa nyo sa Pinas as NGO

    ngangyayari ba ito? hindi yata.

    So officially hindi kayo relihiyon, kayo ay isang NGO.


    B)B)B)

    .V.. ..I..


  • KidlatNgayonKidlatNgayon Member PEx Influencer ⭐⭐⭐
    alchemistofophir:
    at it follows na kelangan nyong iregister sa mga gobyerno na kung saan nyo tinapon yang relihiyon nyo gaya ng ginawa nyo sa Pinas as NGO
    ngangyayari ba ito? hindi yata.

    For your info, INC is registered in all the countries where is it established now, all 152 out of 195 countries in the world!

    NAPAKAAYOS ng INC, meron kaming sariling law firm na nagsasaayos ng lahat! Don't speculate and judge falsely! :D
  • alchemistofophiralchemistofophir Christian Communist PEx Influencer ⭐⭐⭐
    edited August 12
    alchemistofophir:
    at it follows na kelangan nyong iregister sa mga gobyerno na kung saan nyo tinapon yang relihiyon nyo gaya ng ginawa nyo sa Pinas as NGO
    ngangyayari ba ito? hindi yata.

    For your info, INC is registered in all the countries where is it established now, all 152 out of 195 countries in the world!

    NAPAKAAYOS ng INC, meron kaming sariling law firm na nagsasaayos ng lahat! Don't speculate and judge falsely! :D
    huli na at yun na yun.

    di ba napansin ng founder nyo na ang Panginoon Hesus ay hindi registered na rabbi ng Sanhedrin? at kahit hindi sya registered rabbi ng Sanhedrin, may mga "tauhan" sya sa Sanhedrin gaya ni Saint Nicodemus?

    So ano ang Sistema ng Simbahan ayon sa modelo ng nabanggit ko?

    Ayon kay Saint Paul..

    Philippians 3


    15 All of us, then, who are mature should take such a view of things. And if on some point you think differently, that too God will make clear to you. 16 Only let us live up to what we have already attained.

    17 Join together in following my example, brothers and sisters, and just as you have us as a model, keep your eyes on those who live as we do.18 For, as I have often told you before and now tell you again even with tears, many live as enemies of the cross of Christ. 19 Their destiny is destruction, their god is their stomach, and their glory is in their shame.Their mind is set on earthly things. 20 But our citizenship is in heaven.And we eagerly await a Savior from there, the Lord Jesus Christ, 21 who, by the power that enables him to bring everything under his control, will transform our lowly bodies so that they will be like his glorious body.


    So imbes na papuntang langit na, kinadena nyo lang sa lupa ang simbahan nyo sa pamamagitan ng pagregister nyo sa SEC (at iba pang gobyerno).

    nabanggit na siguro dito ang tungkol sa Preamble ng Pinas at US di ba? US, walang shoutout sa Diyos. Pinas meron. anong implication nyan? walang consistency, hindi sigurado, at hindi kita ang "tunay" na struktura ng Simbahan.


    At yang si Saint Paul, para ding style ng Panginoong Hesus,


    Acts 24 New International Version (NIV)

    Paul’s Trial Before Felix

    24 Five days later the high priest Ananias went down to Caesarea with some of the elders and a lawyer named Tertullus, and they brought their charges against Paul before the governor. 2 When Paul was called in, Tertullus presented his case before Felix: “We have enjoyed a long period of peace under you, and your foresight has brought about reforms in this nation. 3 Everywhere and in every way, most excellentFelix, we acknowledge this with profound gratitude. 4 But in order not to weary you further, I would request that you be kind enough to hear us briefly.

    5 “We have found this man to be a troublemaker, stirring up riots among the Jews all over the world. He is a ringleader of the Nazarene sect 6 and even tried to desecrate the temple; so we seized him. [7] [a] 8 By examining him yourself you will be able to learn the truth about all these charges we are bringing against him.”

    9 The other Jews joined in the accusation, asserting that these things were true.

    10 When the governor motioned for him to speak, Paul replied: “I know that for a number of years you have been a judge over this nation; so I gladly make my defense. 11 You can easily verify that no more than twelve days ago I went up to Jerusalem to worship. 12 My accusers did not find me arguing with anyone at the temple, or stirring up a crowd in the synagogues or anywhere else in the city. 13 And they cannot prove to you the charges they are now making against me. 14 However, I admit that I worship the God of our ancestors as a follower of the Way, which they call a sect. I believe everything that is in accordance with the Law and that is written in the Prophets, 15 and I have the same hope in God as these men themselves have, that there will be a resurrection of both the righteous and the wicked. 16 So I strive always to keep my conscience clear before God and man.

    17 “After an absence of several years, I came to Jerusalem to bring my people gifts for the poor and to present offerings. 18 I was ceremonially clean when they found me in the temple courts doing this. There was no crowd with me, nor was I involved in any disturbance. 19 But there are some Jews from the province of Asia, who ought to be here before you and bring charges if they have anything against me. 20 Or these who are here should state what crime they found in me when I stood before the Sanhedrin— 21 unless it was this one thing I shouted as I stood in their presence: ‘It is concerning the resurrection of the dead that I am on trial before you today.’”

    22 Then Felix, who was well acquainted with the Way, adjourned the proceedings. “When Lysias the commander comes,” he said, “I will decide your case.” 23 He ordered the centurion to keep Paul under guardbut to give him some freedom and permit his friends to take care of his needs.

    24 Several days later Felix came with his wife Drusilla, who was Jewish. He sent for Paul and listened to him as he spoke about faith in Christ Jesus. 25 As Paul talked about righteousness, self-control and the judgment to come, Felix was afraid and said, “That’s enough for now! You may leave. When I find it convenient, I will send for you.” 26 At the same time he was hoping that Paul would offer him a bribe, so he sent for him frequently and talked with him.

    27 When two years had passed, Felix was succeeded by Porcius Festus,but because Felix wanted to grant a favor to the Jews, he left Paul in prison.


    So meron ding kapit sa "taas" yang si Saint Paul. Pangalan nya, Felix. Pero siguradong sigurado ako na hindi Manalo yun. Siguradong Felix DuCat ang pangalan. lelz.


    Ano pa ang sabi ni Saint Paul? There will be a resurrection of both the righteous and the wicked. Bakit daw?


     Romans 12:19 
    New International Version
    Do not take revenge, my dear friends, but leave room for God's wrath, for it is written: "It is mine to avenge; I will repay," says the Lord.

    makakatakas ba naman ang mga [email protected] sa mga kasalanang enjoy na enjoy nilang gawin sa ngayon?

    at ang pamatay jan ano?

    John 3:16-17 King James Version (KJV)

    16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

    17 For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.


    Save all daw. yung mga kumapit sa Panginoon ay di magpeperish (immortal) and have everlasting life (pag everlasting life, di nagbabago ang itsura aka forever young as in mga late 20's mid 30's) lelz.


    tapos ano yung hati? mga basura, mga laruan, mga patritripan kasi di na natuto dito sa realidad na ito. na narerecycle (napala nyo sa reincarnation nyong galing sa boom-bye na yan) na parang ano? balik sa umpisa: mga basura.


    napala nyo. lelz.


    so sino si Pope John Paul II?

    so baka ano daw? Ang Pope ay si John = Paul?

    lelz.

    Examinin nyo yung mga dates noong first visit ni Pope John Paul II noong 1981.

    k?

    at bakit noong planong bumisita si Pope John Paul II sa Pinas at pinakiusapan nya si APO Lakay na ilift ang Martial Law, sumunod sya at nilift?

    May Reverence? Timing? Nagkataon? o Destiny?

    sunud sunod nang bumabagsak ang mga inilatag na domino..

    malinis, swak at nakakatawa.




    so ano na mga sh1tters? iyak pa more..

    so ano uli gawain ni Saint Paul sa mga Christians dati?

    At ano noong naging Jesus Christian si Saint Paul, ano ang ginagawa nya sa mga Christians (walang Jesus na nakaprependso  pwede kung sinu-sino lang ang panginoon gaya ng Eraño Christ [lelz])?

    pareho lang naman di ba?

    so pabalik na ba tayo tungo sa libro ng Genesis?

    lelz.



    kelangan daw ng laruan at pagkain, para pati hayop, mabibigyan ng hustisya..

    lelz.

    bakit ba uli tiwala sa manok ang Panginoon at ginamit nya ito bilang signal kay San Pedro?

    nakakita na ba kayo ng kabayong lasing at nagtatatalon at tumatakbo at hilahila nya yang mga ateistang sh1tters na yan sa parang na puro bubog? bakit metal ang sapatos ng kabayo uli?

    ye?

    B)B)B)

    .V.. ..I..

  • alchemistofophiralchemistofophir Christian Communist PEx Influencer ⭐⭐⭐
    edited August 12
    at bakit from right to left ang basa ng mga Jewish? so ano talaga ang ayos ng Tanakh (Old Testament)?

    pag binasa mo sa basang Latino, ano ang unang libro? ano ang huling libro? 

    1st Malachi?

    last Genesis?

    So ano ang Saint Malachy prophecy?

    sino ang huling Papa?

    kung si Pope Francis ay si TSOI (purong Italiano ang mga na Pinanganak sa Native American Country na Argentina at sa bisa ng Jus Soli, masasabi na sya ay tisoy), sino si CHINOI?

    ilan daw ang Disipulo ni San Juan Ayon Sa Banal na Biblya?

    Dooooooooooo yoooooooouuuuuuuuuuuuu Bbeeeeeeeeeliiiiiieeeeeeeveeeeeeeeeee?



    B)B)B)
    .V.. ..I..
  • KidlatNgayonKidlatNgayon Member PEx Influencer ⭐⭐⭐
    Todo-hilo ako dito ke alchemistofophir :lol: Minsan paki-explain nga yang pangalan mo! :lol:   

    You simply cannot compare the government requirements then and now. Wala pang requirement noon na mag-register ang church sa gobyerno. Why? Kasi iisa pa lang church ang kontra sa Judaism at Roman Pagan religion kaya gusto na lang nilang PUKSAIN ito, capisce? 

    The fact is, RCC does NOT resemble the first-century church, na pinatunayan nya:

    "We Catholics acknowledge readily, without any shame, nay with pride, that Catholicism cannot be identified simply and wholly with primitive Christianity, nor even with the Gospel of Christ, in the same way that the great oak cannot be identified with the tiny acorn. (The Spirit of Catholicism by Karl Adam, p.2)

    Kaya ewan ko kung anong pagkaintindi mo dyan sa mga verses na pinost mo, pero sa Philippians 3:18-19 ay RCC ang tinutukoy dyan! :lol:
  • alchemistofophiralchemistofophir Christian Communist PEx Influencer ⭐⭐⭐
    edited August 13
    Todo-hilo ako dito ke alchemistofophir :lol: Minsan paki-explain nga yang pangalan mo! :lol:   

    You simply cannot compare the government requirements then and now. Wala pang requirement noon na mag-register ang church sa gobyerno. Why? Kasi iisa pa lang church ang kontra sa Judaism at Roman Pagan religion kaya gusto na lang nilang PUKSAIN ito, capisce? 

    The fact is, RCC does NOT resemble the first-century church, na pinatunayan nya:

    "We Catholics acknowledge readily, without any shame, nay with pride, that Catholicism cannot be identified simply and wholly with primitive Christianity, nor even with the Gospel of Christ, in the same way that the great oak cannot be identified with the tiny acorn. (The Spirit of Catholicism by Karl Adam, p.2)

    Kaya ewan ko kung anong pagkaintindi mo dyan sa mga verses na pinost mo, pero sa Philippians 3:18-19 ay RCC ang tinutukoy dyan! :lol:
    hilo ka ba? klir na klir naman diba?

    sumabog ba utak mo sa kababasa mo ng mga KATOTOHANAN? paano pa kaya kung kitakits na tayo?

    lelz.

    At Sino ba ang nagsabi sa Banal na Biblya "On you, Peter, the Church will stand."?

    At hanap  ka nga ng Christian sects na si San Pedro ang unang Papa o founder.

    yeah?

    AT SINO ANG MGA NAGCOMPILE/GUMAWA NG HOLY BIBLE NA GINAGAMIT NYO PERO BASURA INTERPRETATION SH1T KAYO AT PERA PERAHAN DAHIL DI KAYO ANG GUMAWA AT DI PARA SA INYO YAN?

    lelz.

    B)B)B)
    .V.. ..I..
  • KidlatNgayonKidlatNgayon Member PEx Influencer ⭐⭐⭐
    @KidlatNgayon

    Ang sinasabi ko ay isang juridical person ang INC na ang aktwal na existence ay sa pamamagitan ng Articles of Incorporation at hindi sa pamamagitan ni Cristo Jesus, ito ang mahalagang bagay na dapat maunawaan, hindi lang po kayo kundi ng iba pa; iba ang INC na "iglesia" kaysa sa itinatag ni Jesus.
    At kayo ba ay IGLESIA na itinatag ni Jesus samantalang sabi nyo ay HINDI kayo iglesia? Malabo po ang doctrina nyo! :D KAILANGANG ma-register sa gobyerno ang iglesia dahil yan po ang BATAS NG LUPA, na itinuro ni Cristo na SUNDIN ng Kanyang mga tunay na alagad!
    Sinasabi ko na ang ministro ni Cristo Jesus ay ako kaya masasabi ko na iba ang "iglesia" ni FYM o ang INC kaysa sa iglesia na itinatag ng aking Panginoong Jesucristo; wala ka sa posisyon ng awtoridad o mayroon mang karapatan para magsalita gaya ng inyong sariling na ring pag-amin para gamitin ang makapangyarihan na Pangalan ni Cristo dahil hindi ka ministro ni Cristo Jesus o maging ang kinikilala mo na mga ministro, para sabihin na itinuro ni Jesus ang pagsunod sa batas sa lupa sa punto ng parehistro ng iglesia; ang corporation code of the philippines ang nagsasabi ng magrehistro, hindi kailangan gamitin pa ang pangalan ni Cristo.
    Ah, ganun ba, okey! HINDI KO NA BABASAGIN ANG TRIP MO! :lol:     
  • KidlatNgayonKidlatNgayon Member PEx Influencer ⭐⭐⭐
    Anong version ng biblia merong "On you, Peter, the Church will stand."?

    Is Peter the "Rock" where Jesus built His Church? 

    A Discussion on Petros and Petra mentioned in the Greek Text of Matthew 16:18


    THE Roman Catholic Church claims that Apostle Peter is the “rock” where Christ built His Church or the "rock foundation" of the one true Church of Christ:

    “Christ used Peter for the rock foundation of His Church. The Catholic Church still rests on that same foundation.” (Conway, J.D. What They Ask About The Church, p. 11)

    The Bible truly teaches that the Lord Jesus Christ established His Church on a "rock." Matthew 16:18 reads:

    “And I also say to you that you are Peter, and on this rock I will build My church, and the gates of Hades shall not prevail against it.” (Matthew 16:18 NKJV)

    “Apostolic succession” is the primary basis of the Roman Catholic Church in claiming that they are the one true Church the Lord Jesus Christ built. They claim that Apostle Peter is the "rock foundation" where Christ buitt His Church because they claim that their "pope" is the successor of Apostle Peter. Thus, their argument goes, “The Roman Catholic pope is the successor of Apostle Peter who was the rock where Jesus built His Church. So, the Roman Catholic Church is the one true Church built by the Lord Jesus Christ.”

    Therefore, refuting the Roman Catholic Church's claim that Apostle Peter is the "rock" mentioned in Matthew 16:18 also refutes their claim that they are the the one true Church the Lord Jesus Christ built.

    How do they claim that Apostle Peter is the "rock" mentioned in Matthew 16:18? They say that the name "Peter" and the word "rock" is the same in Greek. However, a careful study of the Greek text of Matthew 16:18 clearly shows that Apostle Peter is not the "rock" where the one true Church was built.

    WHAT IS “PETER” IN GREEK?

    The English word “Peter” was derived from a Greek word which is equivalent of the Aramaic word “Kefas” (rendered “Cephas” in English). This was the name given to Simon, brother of Andrew, by the Lord Jesus Christ Himself. John 1:42 in New International Version reads:

    “And he brought him to Jesus. Jesus looked at him and said, ‘You are Simon son of John. You will be called Cephas’ (which, when translated, is Peter).” (John 1:42 NIV)

    The name “Cephas” is Aramaic, while the name “Peter” is English. What is the equivalent of this name in Greek? Let us see the Greek text of John 1:42:

    “‎‎egagen autón prós tón Iesoún. emblépsas auto ho Iesoús eípen: sú eí Símœn ho huiós Ioánnou, sú klethese Kefás, hó hermeneúetai Pétros.” (John 1:42 NA27, transliterated)

    Take note that the Greek equivalent of the Aramaic word “Cephas” given by the New Testament itself is “Pétros.” Thus, the English word “Peter” was derived from the Greek word “Pétros.”

    THE “ROCK” MENTIONED IN MATTHEW 16:18

    The Lord Jesus Christ explicitly said in Matthew 16:18, “upon this rock I will build My Church.” What is the equivalent in Greek of the word “rock” mentioned by the Lord Jesus Christ where He built His Church? The Greek text of Matthew 16:18 reads:

    “‎kago dé soi légœ hóti sú eí Pétros, kaí epí taúte te pétra oikodomeso mou ten ekklesían kaí púlai hádou ou katischúsousin autes.” (Matthew 16:18 NA27, transliterated)

    This was rendered in English as:

    “And I tell you that you are Peter, and on this rock I will build my church, and the gates of Hades will not overcome it.” (Matthew 16:18 NIV)

    It is clear in the Greek text of Matthew 16:18 that the name “Peter” is “Pétros” in Greek, and the word “rock” is “pétra” in Greek.

    “PETROS” AND “PETRA” ARE TWO DIFFERENT WORDS WITH DIFFERENT MEANINGS

    Why do we say that “Pétros” and “pétra” are two different words? Zodhiates' Complete Word Study Dictionary New Testament explains:

    “Distinguished from the masculine petros is that petra is a mass of rock while petros is a detached stone or boulder, a stone that might be thrown or easily moved.”

    “Pétros” is masculine and it means “a detached stone or boulder, a stone that might be thrown or easily moved.” However, “pétra” is feminine and it means “a mass of rock.” Truly, the Greek words “Petros” and “petra” are two different words.


    PETER IS “PETROS,” THUS HE IS NOT THE ROCK(“PETRA”) WHERE CHRIST BUILT HIS CHURCH

    Because “Petros” is masculine and “petra is feminine, and “Petros” means “a detached stone of boulder, a stone that might be thrown or easily moved” while “petra” means “a mass of rock,” thus, Matthew 16:18 only means:

    “And I tell you that you are “Petros” (“a detached stone of boulder, a stone that might be thrown or easily moved”), and on this “petra” (“a mass of rock”) I will build my church, and the gates of Hades will not overcome it.”

    In light of these facts, when the Lord Jesus Christ said “on this ROCK (“petra”) I will build My Church”, He is not referring to Peter (“Petros”).

    THE “ROCK” WHERE THE CHURCH WAS BUILT IS THE LORD JESUS CHRIST

    Apostle Paul explicitly declared that the Lord Jesus Christ is the “chief cornerstone”:

    “Having been built on the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ Himself being the chief cornerstone.” (Ephesians 2:20 NKJV)

    According to Apostle Peter himself, who is the “rock” upon the Church was built? This is what he explicitly said in Acts 4:10-11:

    “Let it be known to you all, and to all the people of Israel, that by the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth, whom you crucified, whom God raised from the dead, by Him this man stands here before you whole. This is the 'stone which was rejected by you builders, which has become the chief cornerstone.'” (Acts 4:10-11 NKJV)

    Apostle Peter testified that the Lord Jesus Christ is the “chief cornerstone.” He also said, “...Jesus Christ of Nazareth...This is the stone...”

    Thus, it is very clear that Apostle Paul and Apostle Peter testified that the Lord Jesus Christ is the rock or the chief cornerstone where the Church was built.

    PETER HIMSELF USED THE WORD “PETRA’ TO REFER TO JESUS

    Apostle Peter himself used the word “petra” referring to the Lord Jesus Christ. In I Peter 2:4-8, Apostle Peter said:

    “Coming to Him as to a living stone, rejected indeed by men, but chosen by God and precious, you also, as living stones, are being built up a spiritual house, a holy priesthood, to offer up spiritual sacrifices acceptable to God through Jesus Christ. Therefore it is also contained in the Scripture, ‘Behold, I lay in Zion A chief cornerstone, elect, precious, And he who believes on Him will by no means be put to shame.’ Therefore, to you who believe, He is precious; but to those who are disobedient, ‘The stone which the builders rejected Has become the chief cornerstone,’ and ‘A stone of stumbling And a rock of offense.’ They stumble, being disobedient to the word, to which they also were appointed.” (I Peter 2:4-8 NKJV)

    In the Greek text of I Peter 2:8, it is clear that Apostle Peter used the word “petra”:

    “kaí líthos proskómmatos kaí pétra skandálou: hoí proskóptousin to lógo apeithoúntes eis hó kaí etéthesan.” (I Peter 2:8 NA37 Transliterated)

    Remember that the word “rock” mentioned by Apostle Peter in I Peter 2:8 is referring to the Lord Jesus Christ. Thus, Apostle Peter used the word “pétra” referring to the Lord Jesus Christ.

    CONCLUSION

    The one true Church was built on Christ. He Himself is the “rock” where the true Church Of Christ was built. The doctrine that Apostle Peter was the “rock” where the Church was built was indeed an erroneous doctrine because Apostle Peter himself testified that the Lord Jesus Christ is the “rock” where the Church was built. Thus, we can conclude that the Roman Catholic Church is built upon an erroneous doctrine.
  • alchemistofophiralchemistofophir Christian Communist PEx Influencer ⭐⭐⭐
    edited August 13
    alam mo bang umiba ng sentence structure na ganun pa rin ang meaning?

    kaya pera pera lang yang "interpretation" nyo. aka di nadidigest. di dumadaan sa utak nyo para paglaruan ang mga salita at ang output ay ganun pa rin, kaso ano? naunawaan nyo ba? dumadaan lang naman sa mga bunganga nyo.

    at yeah, link mo palagi yung website kung saan mo kinakalkal yung mga pinepaste mo sa forums para naman hindi isipin ng iba na pinagawa mo lang yan sa teacher na may PhD na kakilala mo. lelz.

    at yeah, sa tingin mo, kanino ako maniniwala? sa TRADISYON ng SIMBAHAN o sa kung anu anong basurang opinion ng hindi naman mga Katoliko?

    lelz.

    B)B)B)
    .V.. ..I..
  • hermano_caloyhermano_caloy Member PEx Rookie ⭐
    @KidlatNgayon

    Ang sinasabi ko ay isang juridical person ang INC na ang aktwal na existence ay sa pamamagitan ng Articles of Incorporation at hindi sa pamamagitan ni Cristo Jesus, ito ang mahalagang bagay na dapat maunawaan, hindi lang po kayo kundi ng iba pa; iba ang INC na "iglesia" kaysa sa itinatag ni Jesus.
    At kayo ba ay IGLESIA na itinatag ni Jesus samantalang sabi nyo ay HINDI kayo iglesia? Malabo po ang doctrina nyo! :D KAILANGANG ma-register sa gobyerno ang iglesia dahil yan po ang BATAS NG LUPA, na itinuro ni Cristo na SUNDIN ng Kanyang mga tunay na alagad!
    Sinasabi ko na ang ministro ni Cristo Jesus ay ako kaya masasabi ko na iba ang "iglesia" ni FYM o ang INC kaysa sa iglesia na itinatag ng aking Panginoong Jesucristo; wala ka sa posisyon ng awtoridad o mayroon mang karapatan para magsalita gaya ng inyong sariling na ring pag-amin para gamitin ang makapangyarihan na Pangalan ni Cristo dahil hindi ka ministro ni Cristo Jesus o maging ang kinikilala mo na mga ministro, para sabihin na itinuro ni Jesus ang pagsunod sa batas sa lupa sa punto ng parehistro ng iglesia; ang corporation code of the philippines ang nagsasabi ng magrehistro, hindi kailangan gamitin pa ang pangalan ni Cristo.
    Ah, ganun ba, okey! HINDI KO NA BABASAGIN ANG TRIP MO! :lol:     
    Para sa mga masugid na tagasubaybay sa thread na ito, maliwanag na umatras na po ayon na rin sa kanyang sariling pasya at pahayag itong si @KidlatNgayon na isang miyembro ng isang religious corporate entity na tinatawag na INC o ang iglesia na itinatag ni ginoong FYM; mahirap po para sa isang tao na walang awtoridad na magsalita para sa Panginoong Cristo Jesus ang magsabi ng mga bagay na may kaugnayan sa kaligtasan, ikapapahamak lang po ng kaluluwa ng sinoman ang magbigay ng anumang mga pahayag na hindi naman salig sa karapatan at awtoridad ng isang ministro ni Cristo Jesus, sugo ni Jesucristo Juan 20:21.
  • KidlatNgayonKidlatNgayon Member PEx Influencer ⭐⭐⭐
    @KidlatNgayon

    Ang sinasabi ko ay isang juridical person ang INC na ang aktwal na existence ay sa pamamagitan ng Articles of Incorporation at hindi sa pamamagitan ni Cristo Jesus, ito ang mahalagang bagay na dapat maunawaan, hindi lang po kayo kundi ng iba pa; iba ang INC na "iglesia" kaysa sa itinatag ni Jesus.
    At kayo ba ay IGLESIA na itinatag ni Jesus samantalang sabi nyo ay HINDI kayo iglesia? Malabo po ang doctrina nyo! :D KAILANGANG ma-register sa gobyerno ang iglesia dahil yan po ang BATAS NG LUPA, na itinuro ni Cristo na SUNDIN ng Kanyang mga tunay na alagad!
    Sinasabi ko na ang ministro ni Cristo Jesus ay ako kaya masasabi ko na iba ang "iglesia" ni FYM o ang INC kaysa sa iglesia na itinatag ng aking Panginoong Jesucristo; wala ka sa posisyon ng awtoridad o mayroon mang karapatan para magsalita gaya ng inyong sariling na ring pag-amin para gamitin ang makapangyarihan na Pangalan ni Cristo dahil hindi ka ministro ni Cristo Jesus o maging ang kinikilala mo na mga ministro, para sabihin na itinuro ni Jesus ang pagsunod sa batas sa lupa sa punto ng parehistro ng iglesia; ang corporation code of the philippines ang nagsasabi ng magrehistro, hindi kailangan gamitin pa ang pangalan ni Cristo.
    Ah, ganun ba, okey! HINDI KO NA BABASAGIN ANG TRIP MO! :lol:     
    Para sa mga masugid na tagasubaybay sa thread na ito, maliwanag na umatras na po ayon na rin sa kanyang sariling pasya at pahayag itong si @KidlatNgayon na isang miyembro ng isang religious corporate entity na tinatawag na INC o ang iglesia na itinatag ni ginoong FYM; mahirap po para sa isang tao na walang awtoridad na magsalita para sa Panginoong Cristo Jesus ang magsabi ng mga bagay na may kaugnayan sa kaligtasan, ikapapahamak lang po ng kaluluwa ng sinoman ang magbigay ng anumang mga pahayag na hindi naman salig sa karapatan at awtoridad ng isang ministro ni Cristo Jesus, sugo ni Jesucristo Juan 20:21.
    Kitang-kita naman Mr. Caloy na ikaw ang walang awtoridad dahil wala ka namang napatunayan, nakakaawa ka lang patulan. Bahala na ang "masusugid" na tagasubaybay ng thread na ito! :lol:   
  • hermano_caloyhermano_caloy Member PEx Rookie ⭐
    @KidlatNgayon

    Ang sinasabi ko ay isang juridical person ang INC na ang aktwal na existence ay sa pamamagitan ng Articles of Incorporation at hindi sa pamamagitan ni Cristo Jesus, ito ang mahalagang bagay na dapat maunawaan, hindi lang po kayo kundi ng iba pa; iba ang INC na "iglesia" kaysa sa itinatag ni Jesus.
    At kayo ba ay IGLESIA na itinatag ni Jesus samantalang sabi nyo ay HINDI kayo iglesia? Malabo po ang doctrina nyo! :D KAILANGANG ma-register sa gobyerno ang iglesia dahil yan po ang BATAS NG LUPA, na itinuro ni Cristo na SUNDIN ng Kanyang mga tunay na alagad!
    Sinasabi ko na ang ministro ni Cristo Jesus ay ako kaya masasabi ko na iba ang "iglesia" ni FYM o ang INC kaysa sa iglesia na itinatag ng aking Panginoong Jesucristo; wala ka sa posisyon ng awtoridad o mayroon mang karapatan para magsalita gaya ng inyong sariling na ring pag-amin para gamitin ang makapangyarihan na Pangalan ni Cristo dahil hindi ka ministro ni Cristo Jesus o maging ang kinikilala mo na mga ministro, para sabihin na itinuro ni Jesus ang pagsunod sa batas sa lupa sa punto ng parehistro ng iglesia; ang corporation code of the philippines ang nagsasabi ng magrehistro, hindi kailangan gamitin pa ang pangalan ni Cristo.
    Ah, ganun ba, okey! HINDI KO NA BABASAGIN ANG TRIP MO! :lol:     
    Para sa mga masugid na tagasubaybay sa thread na ito, maliwanag na umatras na po ayon na rin sa kanyang sariling pasya at pahayag itong si @KidlatNgayon na isang miyembro ng isang religious corporate entity na tinatawag na INC o ang iglesia na itinatag ni ginoong FYM; mahirap po para sa isang tao na walang awtoridad na magsalita para sa Panginoong Cristo Jesus ang magsabi ng mga bagay na may kaugnayan sa kaligtasan, ikapapahamak lang po ng kaluluwa ng sinoman ang magbigay ng anumang mga pahayag na hindi naman salig sa karapatan at awtoridad ng isang ministro ni Cristo Jesus, sugo ni Jesucristo Juan 20:21.
    Kitang-kita naman Mr. Caloy na ikaw ang walang awtoridad dahil wala ka namang napatunayan, nakakaawa ka lang patulan. Bahala na ang "masusugid" na tagasubaybay ng thread na ito! :lol:   
    Talagang hindi mo pa rin pala nauunawaan ang kalagayan mo; umamin ka na nga na wala kang karapatan at awtoridad eh parang namang may halaga pa lahat ng mga pinagsasabi mo; wala kang pundasyon kung saan ang lugar mo at kung kanino kang pangalan magsasalita kundi sa sarili mo lang kapasidad, kung kaya't hindi ikaw ang magsasabi kung may awtoridad ako o wala; hindi sa naaawa ka na patulan ako, dahil kahit patulan mo man ako ay wala ka pa ring magagawa dahil nagiging walang kabuluhan ang mga sinasabi mo laban sa akin. Kung wala ka nang katanungan ay hanggang dito na lang para sa'yo.
  • KidlatNgayonKidlatNgayon Member PEx Influencer ⭐⭐⭐
    @KidlatNgayon

    Ang sinasabi ko ay isang juridical person ang INC na ang aktwal na existence ay sa pamamagitan ng Articles of Incorporation at hindi sa pamamagitan ni Cristo Jesus, ito ang mahalagang bagay na dapat maunawaan, hindi lang po kayo kundi ng iba pa; iba ang INC na "iglesia" kaysa sa itinatag ni Jesus.
    At kayo ba ay IGLESIA na itinatag ni Jesus samantalang sabi nyo ay HINDI kayo iglesia? Malabo po ang doctrina nyo! :D KAILANGANG ma-register sa gobyerno ang iglesia dahil yan po ang BATAS NG LUPA, na itinuro ni Cristo na SUNDIN ng Kanyang mga tunay na alagad!
    Sinasabi ko na ang ministro ni Cristo Jesus ay ako kaya masasabi ko na iba ang "iglesia" ni FYM o ang INC kaysa sa iglesia na itinatag ng aking Panginoong Jesucristo; wala ka sa posisyon ng awtoridad o mayroon mang karapatan para magsalita gaya ng inyong sariling na ring pag-amin para gamitin ang makapangyarihan na Pangalan ni Cristo dahil hindi ka ministro ni Cristo Jesus o maging ang kinikilala mo na mga ministro, para sabihin na itinuro ni Jesus ang pagsunod sa batas sa lupa sa punto ng parehistro ng iglesia; ang corporation code of the philippines ang nagsasabi ng magrehistro, hindi kailangan gamitin pa ang pangalan ni Cristo.
    Ah, ganun ba, okey! HINDI KO NA BABASAGIN ANG TRIP MO! :lol:     
    Para sa mga masugid na tagasubaybay sa thread na ito, maliwanag na umatras na po ayon na rin sa kanyang sariling pasya at pahayag itong si @KidlatNgayon na isang miyembro ng isang religious corporate entity na tinatawag na INC o ang iglesia na itinatag ni ginoong FYM; mahirap po para sa isang tao na walang awtoridad na magsalita para sa Panginoong Cristo Jesus ang magsabi ng mga bagay na may kaugnayan sa kaligtasan, ikapapahamak lang po ng kaluluwa ng sinoman ang magbigay ng anumang mga pahayag na hindi naman salig sa karapatan at awtoridad ng isang ministro ni Cristo Jesus, sugo ni Jesucristo Juan 20:21.
    Kitang-kita naman Mr. Caloy na ikaw ang walang awtoridad dahil wala ka namang napatunayan, nakakaawa ka lang patulan. Bahala na ang "masusugid" na tagasubaybay ng thread na ito! :lol:   
    Talagang hindi mo pa rin pala nauunawaan ang kalagayan mo; umamin ka na nga na wala kang karapatan at awtoridad eh parang namang may halaga pa lahat ng mga pinagsasabi mo; wala kang pundasyon kung saan ang lugar mo at kung kanino kang pangalan magsasalita kundi sa sarili mo lang kapasidad, kung kaya't hindi ikaw ang magsasabi kung may awtoridad ako o wala; hindi sa naaawa ka na patulan ako, dahil kahit patulan mo man ako ay wala ka pa ring magagawa dahil nagiging walang kabuluhan ang mga sinasabi mo laban sa akin. Kung wala ka nang katanungan ay hanggang dito na lang para sa'yo.
    Yun oh! :lol: Kahabag-habag kang tao, sobra lang ang ilusyon! :D Hayaan muna kita sa ilusyon mo! ;)

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