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Chinese vessel hit, sank Philippine boat in Recto Bank —Lorenzana

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  • knorrknorr 8anned by Abmin PExer

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  • netopiannetopian Member PEx Veteran ⭐⭐
    edited June 2019

    For the Motherland - Sass Rogando Sasot


    Ang LP ayaw ng "joint investigation" with China. Okay sir, ang investigation po will entail getting the statements of the Chinese fishermen + forensic exam of their boat. Papaano po ninyo yan gagawin WITHOUT China's cooperation? Pakiexplain po sa amin.

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    WHY JOINT INVESTIGATION IS THE LOGICAL THING TO DO?

    Joint investigation is a standard practice here in Europe. And in particular, they do it when “a Member State’s investigations into criminal offenses require difficult and demanding investigations having links with other Member States” and where “a number of Member States are conducting investigations into criminal offenses in which the circumstances of the case necessitate coordination, concerted actions in the Member States involved”. These are usually cases in which the authorities of one Member State face a necessity to gather information and evidence outside of their jurisdiction, resulting in the need...a number of investigative measures to be undertaken abroad." (see: http://www.ejtn.eu/PageFiles/17290/WR%20TH-2018-01%20BG.pdf)

    The investigation into the Reed Bank incident would entail getting the statements of the Chinese fishermen, doing forensic exam of their boat, among other things, in other words the Philippines would "face a necessity to gather information and evidence outside of their jurisdiction, resulting in the need...a number of investigative measures to be undertaken abroad."

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    Joint investigation daw will give up sovereignty. Hay naku Lacson, is that your final answer? Give me a precedent in international history when that happened?

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    When Taiwan asked for a joint investigation noong binaril natin ang fishermen nila, they also claimed that the incident happened within their waters, how come Taiwan didn't think that pursuing a joint investigation would give up their rights? Kasi walang tinatago ang Taiwan. Itong LP malamang malaki ang tinatago nito sa issue as Reed Bank. Grabe kasi ang media blitz. And based on our experience, if LP is exploiting the issue to the hilt, then it must be fishy.

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  • knorrknorr 8anned by Abmin PExer
    Ayan, urong sulong. Ano ba talaga mga kuya.

    PH backtracks, downplays 3rd party in Recto Bank probe

    (UPDATED) This comes after Duterte government officials made categorical statements about involving an independent 3rd party in the Recto Bank investigation

    MANILA, Philippines (UPDATED) – It's another change in tune by the Philippine government as Malacañang clarified the terms of an upcoming joint investigation between the Philippines and China over the sinking of a Filipino boat near Recto Bank (Reed Bank).

    Presidential Spokesperson Salvador Panelo backtracked on Saturday, June 22, and said a 3rd party will only come in if China and the Philippines disagree. Panelo and Foreign Secretary Teodoro "Teddyboy" Locsin Jr earlier made categorical statements about the need for an independent 3rd party.

    "You need a 3rd party lang kung hindi kayo mag-a-agree. Kung mag-a-agree naman kayo, what do you need the third party for? What is clear is both parties will be investigating and share their findings. Kung pareho, nothing to discuss anymore," Panelo told reporters in Bangkok on the sidelines of the Association of Southeast Asian Nations Summit, as reported by GMA News.

    (You only need a 3rd party if you don't agree. But if you agree, what do you need the 3rd party for? What is clear is both parties will be investigating and share their findings. If they're the same, there's nothing to discuss anymore.)

    President Rodrigo Duterte earlier agreed to a joint Philippines-China investigation into the sinking of a Filipino fishing boat by a Chinese ship in Recto Bank, a potentially oil-rich region in the West Philippine Sea (South China Sea).

    Panelo said Duterte wants a joint investigating committee with "3 groups of highly qualified and competent individuals," the third group being a "neutral country."



  • netopiannetopian Member PEx Veteran ⭐⭐

    Senator Trillanes kailan pa naging COUNTRY ang International Maritime Organization? lol

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  • netopiannetopian Member PEx Veteran ⭐⭐

    If you cannot distinguish between an Exclusive Economic Zone and Territorial waters, or Sovereignty and Sovereign Rights... then really, the Filipino people are extremely lucky that we no longer have to tolerate your illegal presence in the Supreme Court. I mean, look at all the damage you could still have done. (shudder) And of course, chumuwariwap pa yung taga Rappler. But you can ignore him.

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  • netopiannetopian Member PEx Veteran ⭐⭐

    Kapag humahanash ang kabilang parlor na di natin ipinagtatanggol ang EEZ natin, just what exactly are they asking for?

    Nagfa file naman daw tayo ng mga diplomatic protest kapag may problema sa WPH, ayon kay Sec. Teddyboy. At kadalasan, hndi ito narereport to the same extent as itong accidenteng dinatnan ng Gem-Ver.

    So uulitin ko, WHAT DO YU WANT, WHEN YOU SAY, KAILANGAN IPAGTANGGOL ANG EEZ o ang mga mangingisda?

    Since nag file tayo ng diplomatic protests, ibig bang sabihin, hindi pa yan enough sa inyo? Eh, kaya naman pala naaakusahan kayong gusto ninyo ng gyera.

    Kayo kaya lumaban. Magkalap kay ng woke army. Tignan natin kung sino sa atin ang uuwi ng duguan.

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  • buddywbuddyw Member PEx Influencer ⭐⭐⭐

    Joint boat-ramming probe virtual surrender of Recto Bank ownership – Lacson


    MANILA, Philippines – Sen. Panfilo Lacson on Sunday said that a joint Philippines – China investigation of a Chinese vessel’s ramming of a fishing boat manned by Filipinos may be tantamount to the Philippines waiving its right of ownership of Recto Bank in the West Philippine Sea.

    “The 2016 Hague ruling expressly states that Recto Bank is part of the Philippines’ 200-nautical mile Exclusive Economic Zone (EEZ), and therefore cannot be claimed by China. Having said that, allowing a joint investigation with China and a third party may be interpreted as a waiver of our right of ownership of Recto Bank,” Lacson said in a statement after President Rodrigo Duterte accepted the offer of the Chinese government for a joint investigation of the incident, together with a third neutral country.

    While recognizing the intentions of the government to maintain the country’s bilateral relations with China, Lacson said that “sovereign rights and territorial integrity” are the most important issues that the country must consider.

    “While the intention of this administration may be laudable in trying to preserve our country’s bilateral relations with China, presumably for political and economic reasons in order to uplift the living standards of our people, we should also consider the more important issue of sovereignty and territorial integrity,” Lacson said.

    “At the very least, that must be clearly addressed during the conduct of the joint investigation,” Lacson added.

    The idea of a joint investigation was first introduced by Chinese foreign ministry spokesperson Lu Kang last Thursday, June 20.

    “To find a proper solution, we suggest a joint investigation at an early date so the two sides can exchange respective initial findings and properly handle the matter through friendly consultations based on mutually recognized investigation results,” Lu said.

    The probe seeks to unravel the events in Recto Bank in the West Philippine Sea on the night of June 9 when a Chinese vessel reportedly abandoned 22 Filipino fishermen and crew members after their boat, the Fb Gem-Ver 1 was rammed.


  • buddywbuddyw Member PEx Influencer ⭐⭐⭐

    Duterte tells Pinoy fishermen in Reed Bank incident: 'I'm sorry but that's how it is'

    MANILA - President Rodrigo Duterte appeared to shrug off the harrowing ordeal of the 22 Filipino fishermen who were left to drown by a Chinese vessel in Reed (Recto) Bank as he insisted that what happened was a "little" maritime incident that would not justify going into a military conflict with China.

    “Well, I’m sorry, but that is how it is,” Duterte said, addressing the 22 Filipino fishermen directly.

    “Kung gusto mong gumanti na doon, that is not…that is not a reason to go into any military exercise there. Kapag ginawa mo yan, giyera yan,” he said. 

    “So I’m sorry na iyun ang feeling nila,” he added. Para sa kanila, sa China, it happened within their jurisdiction, sa atin within our jurisdiction because we have two conflicting claims of ownership."

    Recto Bank is within the Philippines’ 200-nautical mile Exclusive Economic Zone, which guarantees the country’s exclusive rights to the natural resources in the area.

    Duterte, however, said China will not allow itself to be prevented to fish even inside the Philippines' EEZ.

    When asked whether the Philippines should prevent China from fishing in the Philippine EEZ, Duterte said the two countries are "friends" and that there should not be any "bloody conclusion."

    “I don’t think that China will do that. Why? Because we are friends. And (they’re) of the same view that that should not result to a bloody conclusion,” he said.



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  • salermosalermo Lion PEx Influencer ⭐⭐⭐
    edited June 2019
    knorr said:

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    And Gen. McArthur said..."Give me 10,000 Filipino soldiers and I will conquer the world"  =)
    Sabagay wala na si Gen.
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  • gotta lick itgotta lick it Member PEx Influencer ⭐⭐⭐
    edited June 2019
    knorr said:


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    DA Sec. Pinol learned a very harsh lesson .... DuDirty is the only one who has the right to TALK STUPID on TV and Mass Media.



    "Be Like DuDirty" costed him his FORCE RESIGNATION

    HINDI NAGUSTUHAN NI DiGongGong yun mga PATAWA ni PINOL
    tsk tsk .... may plano pa naman itong tumakbo sa Senado ng 2022 kaya puro pa-EPAL pagkatapos ng 2019 Eleksyon
  • knorrknorr 8anned by Abmin PExer
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  • buddywbuddyw Member PEx Influencer ⭐⭐⭐
    edited June 2019
    Sen Tito Sotto  :lol:



  • balthierbalthier Your idol is a has been PEx Influencer ⭐⭐⭐
    Kulang na lang sabihin ni duterte na, "kung sinoman ang tutol sa mga opinion ko, ipakukulong ko dahil ito ay isang krimen". 

    At syempre, wag kalimutan murahin ang oposisyon, mr EJK at alagad ng instik.

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