Chinese vessel hit, sank Philippine boat in Recto Bank —Lorenzana

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  • netopiannetopian Member PEx Veteran ⭐⭐
    Pssst Leni...

    For the Motherland - Sass Rogando Sasot
    14 hrs ·

    Iyong nagsabing i-prosecute daw sa PH court ang mga Chinese fishermen, bago dumakdak basahin muna ang extradition treaty ng PH and CN. Napaghahalataang puro Meryenda lang inaatupag.


  • netopiannetopian Member PEx Veteran ⭐⭐

    SOBER vs LASING SA GALIT

    Lasing: Papanagutin ang mga Chinese fishermen!!

    Sober: Kailangan ng investigtion para mangyari yan. And that entails hearing the side of the Chinese fishermen.


    Lasing: So nagsisinungaling mga mangigisda natin? Sa Chinese ka kakampi?

    Sober: The investigation will reveal facts, na magiging basehan ng kung anong extent ng accountability ng mga Chinese fishermen.


    Lasing: Naku, pro-China ka!

    Sober: Okay, so papaano ma-determine ang accountability kung walang investigation?

    Lasing: Hindi ka ba naniniwala sa mga kababayan mo?


    Sober: Well, only the fishermen - Chinese and Filipino - knew what happened at sila lang nandoon. So, hearing both sides of the story is necessary to establish facts.

    Lasing: Wala, di ka pro-Filipino, dapat silang managot! I-assert ang karapatan!

    Sober: Papaano nga sila mananagot without an investigation?


  • netopiannetopian Member PEx Veteran ⭐⭐



    How do you hold the Chinese crew liable? File a case. And it starts with a complaint. Is anyone working on the complaint? No. Because they're all too busy being drama queens.


    There is actually no need to wait for the version of the Chinese. File a case under Maritime Law and let the legal process run. The government should send lawyers to help file it for free. If the Chinese crew do not provide a good defense, then the case is won. Once you get a ruling, our country can be empowered to seize the vessel to satisfy the claims of our fishermen. Even China cannot avoid enforcing it. Hindi na factor yung political tension because you are resorting to rule of law and international customs that have been in place for decades.






  • netopiannetopian Member PEx Veteran ⭐⭐

    From Ed Choa FB wall -

    “Ayos din si Mike Enriquez. Kanina sa GMA News TV, they played a video of the plight of the fishermen complete with dramatic music. Wala na raw pambili ng pagkain at gamot pagkatapos masira ang bangka. After which meron agad phone interview with the boat captain.

    Mike: Kapitan, meron na ba kayong nahuling mga isda nung kayo'y binangga.

    Kapitan: Opo, mga tatlong tonelada na po nahuhuli namin.

    Mike: ha, tatlong tonelada? Mga magkano yun kapag ibebenta?

    Kapitan: mga kalahating milyon po.

    Toink to the Max!”


  • netopiannetopian Member PEx Veteran ⭐⭐
    Henry Uri

    Reporting to you verbatim, this is what the President exactly said about the incident in WPS.

    READ:

    In this matter of that incident na nagbanggaan ‘yung mga fishing boats. You read a lot about fumigation, anger, kung ano-ano na lang

    You know, we are ruled --- as a civilized nation and as members of the community --- by the laws that govern whatever happen in the seas as we go along our business.

    There will be rules for a military confrontation. There will be rules for a mistaken identity attack. There is a rule for fishermen’s boats. There is a rule for an aircraft carrier bumping a banca boat, a fishing boat.

    Alam mo, with all the --- ‘yung galit and one national officials, even urging sending the grey ships, warships doon sa China Sea. Alam mo, gusto ko ‘yan. Kung ako lang ang papiliin niyo, gusto ko ng action. But I am not in my boyhood age anymore.

    Pero ‘yang --- ‘yang nangyari diyan sa banggaan, that is a maritime incident. Huwag kayong maniwala diyan sa mga politiko na bobo na. Gusto papunta ‘yung --- papuntahin ‘yung Navy. You do not send grey ships there. Banggaan lang ng barko ‘yan. Do not make it worse because there is a --- that’s a fertile ground for…

    Alam ninyong mga sundalo miscommunication ‘yan, patay na. And we are not yet as ready. And we can never be ready in a nuclear war. Because in a nuclear war kung bitawan lahat ‘yan, Earth will dry up and we will all be destroyed and that is the end of everything.

    So ‘yung tamang-tama lang pang-depensa sa atin, bilihin ko lahat. Pero magsabi tayo ready --- your guns are cocked to go to war? That’s the most stupid thing I can… Wala, pagda --- paliparin lahat ‘yan nuclear --- sundalo kayo.

    Dalawa lang ang bomba tumuyo ang Japan. Eh but --- bitawan ‘yan almost 1,000 warheads? ‘Di anong mangyari? ‘Di walang tutubo dito, pati isda ubos. Maritime incident is a maritime incident. It is best investigated.

    And I do not now issue statement because there is no investigation and there is no result. Then the only thing that we can do is to wait and give the other party the right to be heard. Importante ‘yan eh.

    O China, marami ka mang ibinigay --- ano ba dito ang totoo? O tapos ang nangyari ganito then let us sort --- ano ang ma-sort natin diyan. Pagka ano ‘yung totoo then bago tayo mag-ano…

    Dalawang bangka lang ‘yan. Now you go there and create a tension. I said hindi ako g*** na Presidente na papayag nang ganun. If we have to die, we must have to die in the correct way and to die with dignity. Hindi ‘yang basta bangga ka bangga ka lang diyan.


  • private-iprivate-i Member PEx Influencer ⭐⭐⭐

    Tulog yung kapitan': DA chief says crew member unsure if Chinese vessel saw their boat

    ABS-CBN News

    Posted at Jun 18 2019 09:59 AM | Updated as of Jun 18 2019 10:34 AM


    A fisherman who was on board the ill-fated FB GEM-VER is unsure if the Chinese vessel that rammed their boat saw them before the collision, a Palace official said Tuesday. 

    Secretary Manny Piñol, who is tasked to head the government response to the June 9 sinking of FB GEM-VER at Recto Bank within the Philippines' exclusive economic zone, said the fishing boat's cook, Richard Blaza, was the only one awake before the incident happened. 

    He said that during the incident, Blaza was cooking rice for their rations while the other fishermen were sleeping. 

    "Richard told me shortly before the accident, the captain was sleeping in his cabin, the captain's cabin. And there were only 2 lights in the fishing boat - one in the captain's cabin and one in the kitchen," he told ANC. 

    Before midnight of June 10, Blaza spotted a Chinese vessel headed towards their direction. He told Piñol the other vessel also had lights on in the captain's cabin. 

    "When he saw the vessel was coming towards their direction, he rushed to the captain and roused the captain from his sleep and told him that there was an oncoming vessel," Piñol quoted Blaza as saying. 

    "He said the captain tried to start the engine but it was too late, they were hit by the vessel. Shortly after the impact, he said the vessel actually slowed down, lighted the vessel and trained on them flashlights."

    "Many of them were already in the water and they were asking for help but the Chinese vessel tuned off the lights and sped off and left the scene."

    Piñol said a proper investigation is needed to determine if the ramming of the FB GEM-VER was intentional or not. 

    Abandoning the 22 Filipino fishermen at sea after the ramming is already a violation of maritime laws, he said. 

    "We denounce that. The Department of Agriculture, as the agency where these fishermen belong to as stakeholders, denounce the act by the Chinese fishing vessel of abandoning the fishermen while they were in the water seeking for help," he said. 

    Piñol said that during his conversation with Blaza, he asked the cook if he believes the ramming was intentional. 

    "'Sir, maaaring hindi kami nakita,'" Piñol recalled Blaza as saying. 

    "'Yun ang statement nung kusinero kasi dalawa lang ang ilaw nila - isa sa kitchen, isa sa kamarote ng kapitan." 

    He said that while he considers Blaza the most reliable witness in the incident, his claims still need to be investigated and validated by a proper maritime investigating body.

    Asked if the cook is more reliable than the vessel's captain, Piñol said: "Eh tulog 'yung kapitan."

    "'Yung statement ng kapitan na parang certain siya na intentional ang pagbangga sa kanila ng barko ng Intsik is based on his appreciation. Let me emphasize the statement of the cook - he was the only one who was awake at the time of the accident."

    F/B GEM-VER Captain Junel Insigne earlier said the Chinese saw their boat sinking and even turned off their lights before leaving them at sea.

    "Binangga kami ng Chinese. Pagkabangga sa'min akala namin tutulungan kami, 'yun pala tatakasan kami," he said. 

    In a statement, the Chinese Embassy said the Chinese captain attempted to rescue the Filipino fishermen but was "afraid of being besieged by other Filipino fishing boats."

    President Rodrigo Duterte has described the sinking of the Filipino fishing boat as a "maritime incident" that is not enough for the government to send Philippine Navy ships to the area.

    "You do not send gray ships (Philippine Navy) there. Banggaan lang ng barko 'yan. Do not make it worse because that is a fertile ground for... Alam ninyong mga sundalo, miscommunication 'yan. Patay na. And we are not yet as ready, and we can never be ready in nuclear war, because in nuclear war, kung bitawan lahat 'yan, earth will dry up and we will all be destroyed," he said.

    The President said he will not be issuing an official statement since the incident has yet to be investigated.

    Piñol said the President was not downplaying the incident but was listening to all angles of the story. He said the President's words describing the sinking as a maritime incident is factual, based on Blaza's testimony. 

    "We have to call a spade a spade. Of course we have to defend our Filipino fishermen. In fact we are really going out of our way to help them," he said. 

    "But you know, we have to be very careful about incidents like this. The President is a leader...He is not going to play to the cries of the mob. He has to make a decision based on intelligent appreciation of the facts. He just cannot make a haphazard decision just to satisfy the lust for blood of some sectors." 


  • private-iprivate-i Member PEx Influencer ⭐⭐⭐

    Thinking Pinoy post:

    15 hrs ·

    ON THE INCIDENT INVOLVING CHINESE AND FILIPINO FISHING VESSELS

    If the Chinese fishermen indeed collided their vessel onto an anchored Filipino vessel and left the Filipino fishermen drifting in the sea to die, then the Philippines must indeed ask the Chinese Government to punish their erring fishermen to the fullest extent of applicable laws.

    As for the possibility of extradition, there appears to exist an extradition treaty between China and the Philippines [http://bit.ly/2KWWsOa] and that the Philippines may possibly argue that despite Reed Bank being a disputed area, the principle of objective constructive territoriality applies [http://bit.ly/2L43f91]. These assume that the Chinese Vessel produced injurious effects on a ship sailing the Philippine National Flag.

    However, the Philippines in Article 5 of the same extradition treaty recognizes China's option to prosecute the Chinese Fishermen, especially since China also has jurisdiction over the incident.

    While I sympathize with the 22 Filipino fishermen, I think that, in the grander scheme of things, the essential question here is whether the Chinese Vessel's acts were encouraged by the Chinese Government.

    Because if so, then the Chinese Vessel's actions may legitimately be construed as an act of aggression on the part of the Chinese Government against Filipinos.

    If not, then Pres. Rody Duterte is indeed correct in saying that it's merely a "maritime incident" [http://bit.ly/2KUwOcR], i.e. the incident in no way constitutes an Act of War.

    As of yet, there is no information showing that China indeed coaxed Chinese civilians into attacking Filipinos. Unless evidence of such can be provided, then I think that any attempt to directly attribute the incident to the Chinese Government is nothing but warmongering, if not outright racist xenophobia.

    Nevertheless, we should still encourage Filipino authorities to conduct a thorough investigation that will definitively reveal who is liable for what. However, we must also be wary of "evidence" from third parties whose core interests include souring PH-China relations, i.e. third parties with ulterior motives.

    Prematurely using this issue as a ground for more seriously considering the prospect of warfare benefits neither China nor the Philippines. This is especially true for the Philippines because it implies spending a greater chunk of our scarce resources on National Defense instead of on more productive areas like Education, Healthcare, Infrastructure (Build Build Build) and Social Welfare.

    We should first ascertain what actually happened and refrain from needless speculation.

    The worst thing that either nation can do is wage war against each other only to find out later on that they have been fighting under false premises, like what the United States did in Iraq.

    A little after the 9/11 World Trade Center Bombing, the US said said it'll bomb Iraq because CIA intel supposedly showed that Saddam has Weapons of Mass Destruction [https://cnn.it/2KUA3Rz].

    Years later, the CIA itself admitted that Iraq had already dismantled WMDs 20 years prior, i.e. in 1991 [http://bit.ly/2KWxWgf].

    Hundreds of thousands of Iraq Civilians died because of that intelligence error. Hundreds of thousands of innocent Iraqi Civilians died before the United States realized it waged war under false premises.

    In the same way, I do not want hundreds of thousands of Filipino civilians to die just because of the over-eagerness of a few war-hungry Filipino officials.

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  • private-iprivate-i Member PEx Influencer ⭐⭐⭐
    Thinking pinoy post:

    8 hrs ·

    QUESTION: WHY ARE WE SO SCARED OF CHINESE RETALIATION WHEN VIETNAM CAN AFFORD TO ASSERT ITS CLAIMS "UNFAILINGLY"?

    ANSWER: We can stop our delusions by googling a little.

    In 2017, Beijing warned Hanoi that it would attack Vietnamese bases in the Spratly Islands if gas drilling continued in the area. Hanoi then ordered Spain's Repsol, whose subsidiary was conducting the drilling, to stop drilling [CNBC | http://tiny.cc/780e8y].

    If Vietnam, which has a far more superior military and a far more nationalistic populace than the Philippines, BLINKED, then please explain to me the logic behind suggestions that we should be just as aggressive, if not more aggressive, than Vietnam over our sea claims?

    And while we're at it, why is no one mentioning that Vietnam is currently occupying more SCS features than China?

    The American Society of International Law created the accompanying image listing occupied features in the South China Sea [http://tiny.cc/ht1e8y].

    Vietnam has 19 outposts and facilities within the area that the Philippines claims while China only has 7. If we are so angry about Chinese intrusion into our self-proclaimed territory, then why is no one even batting an eyelash on what Vietnam is doing?

    Bakit mas galit pa tayo sa nanghipo kaysa sa nanghalay and to make matters worse, some prominent Filipino officials even consider the "nanghalay" friends?

    The point here is this: Philippine reactions should be commensurate to foreign actions on what we consider to be our territory.

    If we are angry at China for building 7 outposts, then why aren't we angrier at Vietnam that built 19?

    Conversely, if we are friendly to Vietnam despite having built 19 outposts, then why can't we be friendly to China which built only 7, or less than half of that?

    This is not to say that we should be friendly or hostile to any of the countries: that's something that official Foreign Policy decision-makers are better equipped to determine.

    In light of Vietnam's status quo in the contested waters, however, this disproportional reaction against our dispute with the Chinese suggests that those who call for a more belligerent policy against China while calling Vietnam "friends" are either ignorant of the situation or have motives other than defending what we claim as ours.

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  • gotta lick itgotta lick it Member PEx Influencer ⭐⭐⭐
    edited June 18
    netopian said:

    Kapag media walang trauma, kapag Presidente ang kakausapin may trauma. Wait, what? 🤔

    ***

    They want PRRD to speak, but PRRD wants to talk to the captain of the ship first. Captain of the ship, who has been talking to the media, won't, may "trauma" raw. 🤔

    ***


    Kung gusto ninyong mabayaran, you have to prove in court that that happened. Eh meeting pa lang sa presidente umaatras na kayo?

    ***


    The captain backed out daw for fear of being arrested. Wait, tatanungin ka lang naman ng presidente kung anong nangyari? 🤔

    Source:
    https://newsinfo.inquirer.net/…/fishing-boat-skipper-ditche…

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    Captain Junel Insigne ay isang "DILAW DILAW DILAW DILAW!!!"



    he he .... hindi ka makakahati sa PLEDGE ng mga InTSiK

  • netopiannetopian Member PEx Veteran ⭐⭐

    This is the most relevant maritime international law on the maritime incident in the Reed Bank: "Convention on the international regulations for preventing collisions at sea, 1972."

    Naku. May light requirements ang mga fishing vessels mga chong. Patay kayo dyan kapag di ninyo sinunod at mababawasan ang liability ng nakabangga sa inyo.

    https://treaties.un.org/doc/Publication/UNTS/Volume 1050/volume-1050-I-15824-English.pdf?fbclid=IwAR0opxoDoev59_-aNqNXJFkKw0ftcJIyiqonH0pmHOFH16ZMT0GLaYW55oI





  • netopiannetopian Member PEx Veteran ⭐⭐

    According to the only one awake during the incident: "There were only 2 lights in the fishing boat - one in the captain's cabin and one in the kitchen."

    Okay. Kasuhan niyo na mga Chinese fishermen ng violation ng maritime laws. Pero bago mag-ma-angas, make sure na you followed the LIGHT requirements sa "Convention on the international regulations for preventing collisions at sea, 1972."

    Here's the relevant provision:
    https://treaties.un.org/pages/showDetails.aspx…

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  • netopiannetopian Member PEx Veteran ⭐⭐

    PAGING LENI ROBREDO! GRACE POE! KIKO PANGILINAN! AND RISA HONTIVEROS!

    I've just been informed na 2013 pala nag-accede na tayo sa "Convention on the international regulations for preventing collisions at sea, 1972." O iyong mga nag-dadrama dyan sa senado at mga bloggers ng dilaw, basahin nyo yan para malaman kung anong extent ng liability ng Chinese vessel at anong responsibility ng ating fishing vessel to prevent collision at sea.

    https://treaties.un.org/doc/Publication/UNTS/Volume 1050/volume-1050-I-15824-English.pdf?fbclid=IwAR1U_CQzc7YdBeXBt4m5WdbFlXHEuWm593aGA18s8glHtsJ5SrHT1_VXJkg





  • netopiannetopian Member PEx Veteran ⭐⭐

    What the Opposition is showing is NOT patriotism but JINGOISM.


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  • netopiannetopian Member PEx Veteran ⭐⭐

    This is something everyone who plays chess know by heart: "Move in silence, only speak when it is time to say Checkmate"

  • lechon xlechon x Olats PEx Influencer ⭐⭐⭐

    kay baklang sassot pala kayo kumukuha ng balita may kredibilidad ba itong bakla boba sunog kay ethel bobba yan

    yuck

  • gotta lick itgotta lick it Member PEx Influencer ⭐⭐⭐

    Vietnamese Ship Captain Ngo Van Theng who rescued the Filipino of the GEMVIR1 sides with Filipino Boat Captain Junel Insigne HIT & RUN.



    mga Vietnamese "DILAW, DILAW, DILAW!!!"

  • buddywbuddyw Member PEx Influencer ⭐⭐⭐


    Duterte Stands by China, Doubts Own Fishermen in Sea Collision

    • Philippine leader says he first wants to hear Beijing’s side
    • Duterte must change his ‘passive’ China stance: vice president
    https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2019-06-17/duterte-stands-by-china-despite-pressure-over-sea-collision?fbclid=IwAR3EWfyZcxzuhzUcdW47BkWo2P7VODOsHFtt3Tou7nzY06ixvpecPIxNv50

    Philippine President Rodrigo Duterte is standing by China over a collision involving the two nations’ boats in the South China Sea, with his spokesman casting doubts on local fishermen’s accounts of the incident.

    In his first public statement about what he described as a “maritime incident,” Duterte said China’s side should be heard on the collision that resulted in a Philippine vessel carrying 22 fishermen sinking in disputed waters on June 9. The crew were rescued by a Vietnamese fishing boat and a Philippine Navy ship.

    “It is best investigated. I don’t issue a statement now because there’s no investigation and no result," Duterte said in speech at a Philippine Navy event on Monday night. "The only thing we can do is wait and give the other party the right to be heard.”

    The Philippines will not escalate tensions with China by sending military ships to the South China Sea following the collision, he added, reiterating his nation isn’t ready to go to war with Beijing.

    At a briefing Tuesday, Duterte’s spokesman Salvador Panelo said there are "circumstances that give doubt to the version" of the Filipino fishermen, including how most of them were asleep when the collision happened.

    “The President doesn’t want this to be blown into an international crisis,” Panelo said. “We are being careful because there will be repercussions if we make the wrong move.”

    ‘Passive’ Policy

    Duterte stuck to his pro-China stance despite calls from the opposition, led by Vice President Leni Robredo, to change his “passive” China policy by actively asserting the nation’s rights in the disputed waters. Robredo, in a Facebook post Sunday, also called on Duterte’s government to demand the Chinese fishermen’s trial in the Philippines.

    Duterte now has to convince the public that friendly ties with China is still the way to go, said Jay Batongbacal, director of the University of the Philippines’ Institute for Maritime Affairs and Law of the Sea.

    “Between the Philippine government and the Chinese government the friendship policy has been set, but this incident has happened and casts doubt on the sincerity and wisdom of it to the Filipino people,” Batongbacal said.

    The Philippines’ long-term position in the South China Sea dispute may be weakened if Duterte maintains his pro-Beijing stance after the incident, said Professor Jeffrey Ordaniel, a fellow at Hawaii-based foreign policy research institute Pacific Forum. “The Duterte administration’s China policy is unfortunately helping the Chinese pursue their maritime ambitions.”

    Chinese Foreign Ministry spokesman Lu Kang described the incident as an “accidental collision" at briefing on Monday, adding that politicizing the collision “is not appropriate.” Beijing’s embassy in Manila earlier said the Chinese vessel’s captain tried to rescue the Philippine fishermen after bumping into their boat, but was afraid of being "besieged" by other Filipino fishing boats.

    The incident took place near Reed Bank, an area claimed by both Manila and Beijing where there’s a pending oil exploration plan by Philippines company PXP Energy Corp.








  • buddywbuddyw Member PEx Influencer ⭐⭐⭐

    Damage control pa more! Piñol denies Duterte to meet with sunken PH boat’s cook


    Agriculture Secretary Manny Piñol is on a damage control mode after the captain of the boat which sunk in the West Philippine Sea June 9 backed out of a meeting with President Rodrigo Duterte.

    Piñol told reporters Monday (June 17) that Duterte was never scheduled to meet with fishermen from F/B GEM-VER.

    “We did not request for a meeting between the President and the crew of the fishing vessel,” he said.

    Piñol added that it was him who invited Richard Blasa, the cook, and the mother of the boat’s owner, Arlinda Dela Torre, to travel to Manila to discuss the incident.

    However, he did not allow both Blasa and Dela Torre to talk to reporters, saying he is still preparing their affidavits for the Cabinet cluster meeting to be held Monday afternoon.

    Earlier in the day, Jonel Insigne backed out of the meeting with Duterte. He chose to stay in Occidental Mindoro instead of traveling to Metro Manila.

    There were reports that Duterte was set to meet with the fishermen from the sunken boat in Malacañang.

    The 22 fishermen were left drifting at sea after their boat, which was anchored at Recto Bank in the West Philippine Sea, was hit by a Chinese vessel on June 9. They were rescued by a Vietnamese vessel hours later.

  • balthierbalthier Your idol is a has been PEx Influencer ⭐⭐⭐
    edited June 19
    Bakit pinasok na naman ang word na "dilawan". Kapag hindi sinamba ang panginoon ninyo, "dilawan" agad ang hirit nung mga dutertards.

    Duterte trolls are working overtime to defend whatever their lord president does or does not do.  Just face it that the pinoys are slaves to China.

    Mumurahin ka lang ni duterte kpag mga instik na ang involved sa issue. 

    Sa Canada ang yabang mong mag banta ng gyera!

    Pag instik na, tago buntot mo! May sinasabi ka pang "Ayoko ng gyera. Hindi ako gago". Ugok! Lokohin mo ang mga binabayan mong duterte trolls mo.

    Minumura mo ang mga kano tapos niluluhuran mo ang mga instik at may mukha pang sabihin ni panelo na hindi daw tayo mga slaves ng mga instik.

    Actions speaks a lot louder than your nonsense words.

    We might as well use the China flag. 

    Kayong mga duterte trolls wla ng lumabas sa inyo kundi yung word na "dilawan". Excuse na nonsense at basura.

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