SOBER vs LASING SA GALIT
Lasing: Papanagutin ang mga Chinese fishermen!!
Sober: Kailangan ng investigtion para mangyari yan. And that entails hearing the side of the Chinese fishermen.
Lasing: So nagsisinungaling mga mangigisda natin? Sa Chinese ka kakampi?
Sober: The investigation will reveal facts, na magiging basehan ng kung
anong extent ng accountability ng mga Chinese fishermen.
Lasing: Naku, pro-China ka!
Sober: Okay, so papaano ma-determine ang accountability kung walang investigation?
Lasing: Hindi ka ba naniniwala sa mga kababayan mo?
Sober: Well, only the fishermen - Chinese and Filipino - knew what
happened at sila lang nandoon. So, hearing both sides of the story is
necessary to establish facts.
Lasing: Wala, di ka pro-Filipino, dapat silang managot! I-assert ang karapatan!
Sober: Papaano nga sila mananagot without an investigation?
do you hold the Chinese crew liable? File a case. And it starts with a
complaint. Is anyone working on the complaint? No. Because they're all
too busy being drama queens.
is actually no need to wait for the version of the Chinese. File a case
under Maritime Law and let the legal process run. The government should
send lawyers to help file it for free. If the Chinese crew do not
provide a good defense, then the case is won. Once you get a ruling, our
country can be empowered to seize the vessel to satisfy the claims of
our fishermen. Even China cannot avoid enforcing it. Hindi na factor
yung political tension because you are resorting to rule of law and
international customs that have been in place for decades.
From Ed Choa FB wall -
“Ayos din si Mike Enriquez. Kanina sa GMA News TV, they played a video
of the plight of the fishermen complete with dramatic music. Wala na raw
pambili ng pagkain at gamot pagkatapos masira ang bangka. After which
meron agad phone interview with the boat captain.
Mike: Kapitan, meron na ba kayong nahuling mga isda nung kayo'y binangga.
Kapitan: Opo, mga tatlong tonelada na po nahuhuli namin.
Mike: ha, tatlong tonelada? Mga magkano yun kapag ibebenta?
Kapitan: mga kalahating milyon po.
Toink to the Max!”
In this matter of that incident na nagbanggaan ‘yung mga fishing boats. You read a lot about fumigation, anger, kung ano-ano na lang
You know, we are ruled --- as a civilized nation and as members of the
community --- by the laws that govern whatever happen in the seas as we
go along our business.
There will be rules for a military
confrontation. There will be rules for a mistaken identity attack. There
is a rule for fishermen’s boats. There is a rule for an aircraft
carrier bumping a banca boat, a fishing boat.
Alam mo, with all
the --- ‘yung galit and one national officials, even urging sending the
grey ships, warships doon sa China Sea. Alam mo, gusto ko ‘yan. Kung ako
lang ang papiliin niyo, gusto ko ng action. But I am not in my boyhood
Pero ‘yang --- ‘yang nangyari diyan sa banggaan,
that is a maritime incident. Huwag kayong maniwala diyan sa mga politiko
na bobo na. Gusto papunta ‘yung --- papuntahin ‘yung Navy. You do not
send grey ships there. Banggaan lang ng barko ‘yan. Do not make it worse
because there is a --- that’s a fertile ground for…
mga sundalo miscommunication ‘yan, patay na. And we are not yet as
ready. And we can never be ready in a nuclear war. Because in a nuclear
war kung bitawan lahat ‘yan, Earth will dry up and we will all be
destroyed and that is the end of everything.
tamang-tama lang pang-depensa sa atin, bilihin ko lahat. Pero magsabi
tayo ready --- your guns are cocked to go to war? That’s the most stupid
thing I can… Wala, pagda --- paliparin lahat ‘yan nuclear --- sundalo
Dalawa lang ang bomba tumuyo ang Japan. Eh but --- bitawan
‘yan almost 1,000 warheads? ‘Di anong mangyari? ‘Di walang tutubo dito,
pati isda ubos. Maritime incident is a maritime incident. It is best
And I do not now issue statement because there is
no investigation and there is no result. Then the only thing that we can
do is to wait and give the other party the right to be heard.
Importante ‘yan eh.
O China, marami ka mang ibinigay --- ano ba
dito ang totoo? O tapos ang nangyari ganito then let us sort --- ano ang
ma-sort natin diyan. Pagka ano ‘yung totoo then bago tayo mag-ano…
Dalawang bangka lang ‘yan. Now you go there and create a tension. I
said hindi ako g*** na Presidente na papayag nang ganun. If we have to
die, we must have to die in the correct way and to die with dignity.
Hindi ‘yang basta bangga ka bangga ka lang diyan.
Posted at Jun 18 2019 09:59 AM | Updated as of Jun 18 2019 10:34 AM
A fisherman who was on board the ill-fated FB GEM-VER is unsure if
the Chinese vessel that rammed their boat saw them before the collision,
a Palace official said Tuesday.
Secretary Manny Piñol, who is tasked to head the government response
to the June 9 sinking of FB GEM-VER at Recto Bank within the
Philippines' exclusive economic zone, said the fishing boat's cook,
Richard Blaza, was the only one awake before the incident happened.
He said that during the incident, Blaza was cooking rice for their rations while the other fishermen were sleeping.
"Richard told me shortly before the accident, the captain was
sleeping in his cabin, the captain's cabin. And there were only 2 lights
in the fishing boat - one in the captain's cabin and one in the
kitchen," he told ANC.
Before midnight of June 10, Blaza spotted a Chinese vessel headed
towards their direction. He told Piñol the other vessel also had lights
on in the captain's cabin.
"When he saw the vessel was coming towards their direction, he rushed
to the captain and roused the captain from his sleep and told him that
there was an oncoming vessel," Piñol quoted Blaza as saying.
"He said the captain tried to start the engine but it was too late,
they were hit by the vessel. Shortly after the impact, he said the
vessel actually slowed down, lighted the vessel and trained on them
"Many of them were already in the water and they were asking for help
but the Chinese vessel tuned off the lights and sped off and left the
Piñol said a proper investigation is needed to determine if the ramming of the FB GEM-VER was intentional or not.
Abandoning the 22 Filipino fishermen at sea after the ramming is already a violation of maritime laws, he said.
"We denounce that. The Department of Agriculture, as the agency where
these fishermen belong to as stakeholders, denounce the act by the
Chinese fishing vessel of abandoning the fishermen while they were in
the water seeking for help," he said.
Piñol said that during his conversation with Blaza, he asked the cook if he believes the ramming was intentional.
"'Sir, maaaring hindi kami nakita,'" Piñol recalled Blaza as saying.
"'Yun ang statement nung kusinero kasi dalawa lang ang ilaw nila - isa sa kitchen, isa sa kamarote ng kapitan."
He said that while he considers Blaza the most reliable witness in
the incident, his claims still need to be investigated and validated by a
proper maritime investigating body.
Asked if the cook is more reliable than the vessel's captain, Piñol said: "Eh tulog 'yung kapitan."
"'Yung statement ng kapitan na parang certain siya na intentional ang
pagbangga sa kanila ng barko ng Intsik is based on his appreciation.
Let me emphasize the statement of the cook - he was the only one who was
awake at the time of the accident."
F/B GEM-VER Captain Junel Insigne earlier said the Chinese saw their
boat sinking and even turned off their lights before leaving them at
"Binangga kami ng Chinese. Pagkabangga sa'min akala namin tutulungan kami, 'yun pala tatakasan kami," he said.
In a statement, the Chinese Embassy said the Chinese captain
attempted to rescue the Filipino fishermen but was "afraid of being
besieged by other Filipino fishing boats."
President Rodrigo Duterte has described the sinking of the Filipino
fishing boat as a "maritime incident" that is not enough for the
government to send Philippine Navy ships to the area.
"You do not send gray ships (Philippine Navy) there. Banggaan lang ng
barko 'yan. Do not make it worse because that is a fertile ground
for... Alam ninyong mga sundalo, miscommunication 'yan. Patay na. And we
are not yet as ready, and we can never be ready in nuclear war, because
in nuclear war, kung bitawan lahat 'yan, earth will dry up and we will
all be destroyed," he said.
The President said he will not be issuing an official statement since the incident has yet to be investigated.
Piñol said the President was not downplaying the incident but was
listening to all angles of the story. He said the President's words
describing the sinking as a maritime incident is factual, based on
"We have to call a spade a spade. Of course we have to defend our
Filipino fishermen. In fact we are really going out of our way to help
them," he said.
"But you know, we have to be very careful about incidents like this.
The President is a leader...He is not going to play to the cries of the
mob. He has to make a decision based on intelligent appreciation of the
facts. He just cannot make a haphazard decision just to satisfy the lust
for blood of some sectors."
ON THE INCIDENT INVOLVING CHINESE AND FILIPINO FISHING VESSELS
If the Chinese fishermen indeed collided their vessel onto an anchored
Filipino vessel and left the Filipino fishermen drifting in the sea to
die, then the Philippines must indeed ask the Chinese Government to
punish their erring fishermen to the fullest extent of applicable laws.
As for the possibility of extradition, there appears to exist an extradition treaty between China and the Philippines [http://bit.ly/2KWWsOa]
and that the Philippines may possibly argue that despite Reed Bank
being a disputed area, the principle of objective constructive
territoriality applies [http://bit.ly/2L43f91]. These assume that the Chinese Vessel produced injurious effects on a ship sailing the Philippine National Flag.
However, the Philippines in Article 5 of the same extradition treaty
recognizes China's option to prosecute the Chinese Fishermen, especially
since China also has jurisdiction over the incident.
sympathize with the 22 Filipino fishermen, I think that, in the grander
scheme of things, the essential question here is whether the Chinese
Vessel's acts were encouraged by the Chinese Government.
if so, then the Chinese Vessel's actions may legitimately be construed
as an act of aggression on the part of the Chinese Government against
If not, then Pres. Rody Duterte is indeed correct in saying that it's merely a "maritime incident" [http://bit.ly/2KUwOcR], i.e. the incident in no way constitutes an Act of War.
As of yet, there is no information showing that China indeed coaxed
Chinese civilians into attacking Filipinos. Unless evidence of such can
be provided, then I think that any attempt to directly attribute the
incident to the Chinese Government is nothing but warmongering, if not
outright racist xenophobia.
Nevertheless, we should still
encourage Filipino authorities to conduct a thorough investigation that
will definitively reveal who is liable for what. However, we must also
be wary of "evidence" from third parties whose core interests include
souring PH-China relations, i.e. third parties with ulterior motives.
Prematurely using this issue as a ground for more seriously considering
the prospect of warfare benefits neither China nor the Philippines.
This is especially true for the Philippines because it implies spending a
greater chunk of our scarce resources on National Defense instead of on
more productive areas like Education, Healthcare, Infrastructure (Build Build Build) and Social Welfare.
We should first ascertain what actually happened and refrain from needless speculation.
The worst thing that either nation can do is wage war against each
other only to find out later on that they have been fighting under false
premises, like what the United States did in Iraq.
after the 9/11 World Trade Center Bombing, the US said said it'll bomb
Iraq because CIA intel supposedly showed that Saddam has Weapons of Mass
Years later, the CIA itself admitted that Iraq had already dismantled WMDs 20 years prior, i.e. in 1991 [http://bit.ly/2KWxWgf].
Hundreds of thousands of Iraq Civilians died because of that
intelligence error. Hundreds of thousands of innocent Iraqi Civilians
died before the United States realized it waged war under false
In the same way, I do not want hundreds of thousands of
Filipino civilians to die just because of the over-eagerness of a few
war-hungry Filipino officials.
QUESTION: WHY ARE WE SO SCARED OF CHINESE RETALIATION WHEN VIETNAM CAN AFFORD TO ASSERT ITS CLAIMS "UNFAILINGLY"?
ANSWER: We can stop our delusions by googling a little.
In 2017, Beijing warned Hanoi that it would attack Vietnamese bases in
the Spratly Islands if gas drilling continued in the area. Hanoi then
ordered Spain's Repsol, whose subsidiary was conducting the drilling, to
stop drilling [CNBC | http://tiny.cc/780e8y].
If Vietnam, which has a far more superior military and a far more
nationalistic populace than the Philippines, BLINKED, then please
explain to me the logic behind suggestions that we should be just as
aggressive, if not more aggressive, than Vietnam over our sea claims?
And while we're at it, why is no one mentioning that Vietnam is currently occupying more SCS features than China?
The American Society of International Law created the accompanying image listing occupied features in the South China Sea [http://tiny.cc/ht1e8y].
Vietnam has 19 outposts and facilities within the area that the
Philippines claims while China only has 7. If we are so angry about
Chinese intrusion into our self-proclaimed territory, then why is no one
even batting an eyelash on what Vietnam is doing?
galit pa tayo sa nanghipo kaysa sa nanghalay and to make matters worse,
some prominent Filipino officials even consider the "nanghalay" friends?
The point here is this: Philippine reactions should be commensurate to foreign actions on what we consider to be our territory.
If we are angry at China for building 7 outposts, then why aren't we angrier at Vietnam that built 19?
Conversely, if we are friendly to Vietnam despite having built 19
outposts, then why can't we be friendly to China which built only 7, or
less than half of that?
This is not to say that we should be
friendly or hostile to any of the countries: that's something that
official Foreign Policy decision-makers are better equipped to
In light of Vietnam's status quo in the contested
waters, however, this disproportional reaction against our dispute with
the Chinese suggests that those who call for a more belligerent policy
against China while calling Vietnam "friends" are either ignorant of the
situation or have motives other than defending what we claim as ours.
For the Motherland - Sass Rogando Sasot19 hrs · Kapag media walang trauma, kapag Presidente ang kakausapin may trauma. Wait, what? 🤔***They want PRRD to speak, but PRRD wants to talk to the captain of the
ship first. Captain of the ship, who has been talking to the media,
won't, may "trauma" raw. 🤔***Kung gusto ninyong mabayaran, you have to prove in court that that happened. Eh meeting pa lang sa presidente umaatras na kayo?***The captain backed out daw for fear of being arrested. Wait, tatanungin ka lang naman ng presidente kung anong nangyari? 🤔 Source: https://newsinfo.inquirer.net/…/fishing-boat-skipper-ditche…
Kapag media walang trauma, kapag Presidente ang kakausapin may trauma. Wait, what? 🤔
They want PRRD to speak, but PRRD wants to talk to the captain of the
ship first. Captain of the ship, who has been talking to the media,
won't, may "trauma" raw. 🤔
Kung gusto ninyong mabayaran, you have to prove in court that that happened. Eh meeting pa lang sa presidente umaatras na kayo?
is the most relevant maritime international law on the maritime
incident in the Reed Bank: "Convention on the international regulations
for preventing collisions at sea, 1972."
Naku. May light
requirements ang mga fishing vessels mga chong. Patay kayo dyan kapag di
ninyo sinunod at mababawasan ang liability ng nakabangga sa inyo.
to the only one awake during the incident: "There were only 2 lights in
the fishing boat - one in the captain's cabin and one in the kitchen."
Okay. Kasuhan niyo na mga Chinese fishermen ng violation ng maritime
laws. Pero bago mag-ma-angas, make sure na you followed the LIGHT
requirements sa "Convention on the international regulations for
preventing collisions at sea, 1972."
Here's the relevant provision: https://treaties.un.org/pages/showDetails.aspx…
PAGING LENI ROBREDO! GRACE POE! KIKO PANGILINAN! AND RISA HONTIVEROS!
I've just been informed na 2013 pala nag-accede na tayo sa "Convention
on the international regulations for preventing collisions at sea,
1972." O iyong mga nag-dadrama dyan sa senado at mga bloggers ng dilaw,
basahin nyo yan para malaman kung anong extent ng liability ng Chinese
vessel at anong responsibility ng ating fishing vessel to prevent
collision at sea.
Philippine President Rodrigo Duterte is standing by China over a
collision involving the two nations’ boats in the South China Sea, with
his spokesman casting doubts on local fishermen’s accounts of the
his first public statement about what he described as a “maritime
incident,” Duterte said China’s side should be heard on the collision
that resulted in a Philippine vessel carrying 22 fishermen sinking in
disputed waters on June 9. The crew were rescued by a Vietnamese fishing
boat and a Philippine Navy ship.
“It is best investigated. I don’t issue a statement now because
there’s no investigation and no result," Duterte said in speech at a
Philippine Navy event on Monday night. "The only thing we can do is wait
and give the other party the right to be heard.”
Philippines will not escalate tensions with China by sending military
ships to the South China Sea following the collision, he added,
reiterating his nation isn’t ready to go to war with Beijing.
At a briefing Tuesday, Duterte’s spokesman Salvador Panelo
said there are "circumstances that give doubt to the version" of the
Filipino fishermen, including how most of them were asleep when the
“The President doesn’t want this to be blown into an international
crisis,” Panelo said. “We are being careful because there will be
repercussions if we make the wrong move.”
stuck to his pro-China stance despite calls from the opposition, led by
Vice President Leni Robredo, to change his “passive” China policy by
actively asserting the nation’s rights in the disputed waters. Robredo,
in a Facebook post Sunday, also called on Duterte’s government to demand
the Chinese fishermen’s trial in the Philippines.
Duterte now has to convince the public that friendly ties
with China is still the way to go, said Jay Batongbacal, director of the
University of the Philippines’ Institute for Maritime Affairs and Law
of the Sea.
“Between the Philippine government and the Chinese
government the friendship policy has been set, but this incident has
happened and casts doubt on the sincerity and wisdom of it to the
Filipino people,” Batongbacal said.
The Philippines’ long-term position in the South China Sea dispute
may be weakened if Duterte maintains his pro-Beijing stance after the
incident, said Professor Jeffrey Ordaniel, a fellow at Hawaii-based
foreign policy research institute Pacific Forum. “The Duterte
administration’s China policy is unfortunately helping the Chinese
pursue their maritime ambitions.”
Chinese Foreign Ministry
spokesman Lu Kang described the incident as an “accidental collision" at
briefing on Monday, adding that politicizing the collision “is not
appropriate.” Beijing’s embassy in Manila earlier said the Chinese
vessel’s captain tried to rescue the Philippine fishermen after bumping
into their boat, but was afraid of being "besieged" by other Filipino
The incident took place near Reed Bank, an area
claimed by both Manila and Beijing where there’s a pending oil
exploration plan by Philippines company PXP Energy Corp.
Agriculture Secretary Manny Piñol is on a damage control mode after
the captain of the boat which sunk in the West Philippine Sea June 9
backed out of a meeting with President Rodrigo Duterte.
Piñol told reporters Monday (June 17) that Duterte was never scheduled to meet with fishermen from F/B GEM-VER.
“We did not request for a meeting between the President and the crew of the fishing vessel,” he said.
Piñol added that it was him who invited Richard Blasa, the cook, and
the mother of the boat’s owner, Arlinda Dela Torre, to travel to Manila
to discuss the incident.
he did not allow both Blasa and Dela Torre to talk to reporters, saying
he is still preparing their affidavits for the Cabinet cluster meeting
to be held Monday afternoon.
Earlier in the day, Jonel Insigne backed out of the meeting with
Duterte. He chose to stay in Occidental Mindoro instead of traveling to
There were reports that Duterte was set to meet with the fishermen from the sunken boat in Malacañang.