Ang punto, para sa hirap makaunawa, ang moralidad ng tao ay nagbabago. Hindi "objective", hindi "standard". Nagbabago base sa natutunan mula sa kasaysayan ng mundo at sa mga bagong karunungan.
Ang poblema lang iba ang tindig ng mga secular humanist sa tindig niya oh:
Many Humanists adopt principles of the Golden Rule. Some believe that universal moral standards are required for the proper functioning of society. However, they believe such necessary universality can and should be achieved by developing a richer notion of morality through reason, experience and scientific inquiry rather than through faith in a supernatural realm or source.
Universal gaya nga sinasabi ko at may Standard. Ang kaibhan lang they aren't grounded on faith but on reason. It is also at loggerheads with what another atheist in PEX is saying:
Is there a standard good? A standard morality? On a tribal level, yes. Globally even Theists cant agree on what murder is. Like some theists think its morally good to kill apostates. And those other issues I mentioned above. So no there is no universal standard set of morality. Not even for theists. So dont put us atheists down about this because its your problem too.
Even among their more informed ranks - a universal moral standard is required for the proper functioning of society. That is why we can safely say that these two do not really know what they are talking about. So as far as Secular Humanism is concerned, these two aren't getting their morals from it especially in the case of JuanTamad who shamelessly point towards secular humanism as a possible source for morality. In other words - he is pulling a fast one unsuccessfully.