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Pls comment on the "water shortage" being experienced by manila water customers

Do you think there is shortage or it is just plain mismanagement?
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  • TrollmeisterTrollmeister B?nned for trolling PEX ✭✭
    Metro Manila is too crowded, tapos there are more residential condominiums and buildings being constructed in the Bay Area reclamation. Of course some of the water resources would be diverted to that area.  The Bay Area should just have pumping stations that would convert the sea water to fresh water
  • sargosargo got balls ✭✭✭
    this water shortage seemed to have come all of a sudden. no prior warnings from the water companies / government this will happen. the warnings came too late and made the public unprepared. 
  • BeerhandBopBeerhandBop I Am WHIP ✭✭✭
    yep. this could give pduts a hit. 
  • buddywbuddyw Member ✭✭✭

    Palace advice on water crisis: ‘Wait for rain’

    MALACAÑANG said Monday that relief from the Metro Manila water crisis may have to wait for the onset of the rains, though cloud-seeding was also an option, with the Department of Agriculture saying it ordered seeding in areas of Central Luzon that could help fill the capital’s reservoirs.

    Ang problema yata eh ang tubig eh manggagaling sa langit; walang ulan, ‘pag walang ulan papa’no, baka mag-aantay tayo,” (The problem is that the water has to come from the sky, and if there is no rain we may have no choice but to wait) the President’s spokesman Salvador S. Panelo said in a briefing.

    Separately, Agriculture Secretary Emmanuel F. Piñol said on Monday that he instructed the department’s regional offices to conduct cloud seeding in Bulacan, Pampanga and Rizal in response to El Niño.

    “Operations Undersecretary Ariel Cayanan of the Department of Agriculture (DA) [has been instructed] to order the DA Regional Offices to implement cloud seeding operations,” Mr. Piñol said in a social media post while visiting Isabela and Nueva Vizcaya.

    “Usec. Cayanan was also directed to coordinate with the Philippine Air Force for the cloud-seeding operations over Bulacan, Pampanga, and Rizal (to increase the sources of water for) La Mesa Dam,” Mr. Piñol said.

    “As early as last year, funds were transferred to the Regional Offices and the Philippine Air Force for cloud-seeding operations in preparation for El Niño,” Mr. Piñol added.

    The DA estimates crop damage from El Niño at P464.27 million, affecting 13,679 hectares.

    “We are always concerned with respect to any problem affecting the welfare of the people,” Mr. Panelo said in the briefing on Monday when asked to comment on the water crisis in Metro Manila.

    He said cloud seeding is a “possibility, but added he is not aware if the President has officially ordered it.

    Kung meron man, hindi ko alam. But, I am sure meron nang ginawa (If any instructions were issued, I am not aware of them. But I am sure something has been done)“ he said. “I have to ask the President exactly what were the instructions.”

    In a social media post on March 8, the Manila Water Company Inc. said: “We sincerely apologize for the inconvenience brought by unexpected water service interruption experienced by our customers across the East Zone.”

    The company said it is implementing operational adjustments that may result in low pressure to no water in certain areas “to address the continued decline in the water level at La Mesa Dam due to minimal inflows.”

    “We urge our customers to use water more responsibly and wisely in light of the weak El Niño we are currently experiencing and the rapid decline of water levels at La Mesa Dam while Manila Water continues to employ augmentation plans to mitigate the impact of these realities,” it said further.

    According to the Manila Water Service Update on Monday, March 11, at least 13 barangays in Mandaluyong City were affected (“no water”) from 11:00 a.m., with this status expected to last until 9:00 a.m. on Tuesday.

    Affected barangays in Mandaluyong City were Addition Hills, Barangka Drive, Barangka Ibaba, Barangka Ilaya, Barangka Itaas, Buayang Bato, Highway Hills, Hulo, Malamig, Mauway, Plainview, Pleasant Hills, and Wack-Wack.

    In Marikina City, barangays experienced “low pressure to no water” service interruptions on Monday were Concepcion Dos, Concepcion Uno, Fortune, Industrial Valley, Jesus dela Peña, Malanday, Marikina Heights, Nangka, Parang, San Roque, Santa Elena, Santo Niño, Tañong, and Tumana.

    In Quezon City, at least 83 barangays experienced “low pressure to no water” service interruptions on Monday.

    Several barangays in Antipolo, Rizal, according to Manila Water, were also affected, such as Mayamot, Cupang, Dalig, San Isidro, San Jose, San Luis, San Roque, and parts of Sta. Cruz, among others.

    Other affected areas were Pasig, Taguig, the Rizal towns of Angono, Taytay and Binangonan, as well as Makati, Parañaque, and Pateros.


  • buddywbuddyw Member ✭✭✭

    Ex-MWSS chief: Bagong water dam project, tuloy na sana noon pero binigay sa China


    Nanghihinayang ngayon si dating Metropolitan Waterworks and Sewerage System (MWSS) chairman Ramon Alikpala sa nadiskaril na bagong water dam project na solusyon sana sa nararanasan ngayong water interruption sa Metro Manila at Rizal.

    Ayon kay Alikpala, ang New Centennial Water Source – Kaliwa Dam project ay nasa pre-bid stage na noong administrasyon ni dating Pangulong Benigno Aquino III. Ang dam project ay isinalang sa Public Private Partnership (PPP) kung saan ia-award ito sa mga competent investors o consortium.

    “This water shortage problem could have been avoided. 5-6 years ago, the study to develop Kaliwa Dam as the new water source for Mega Manila had been completed. The project was to be funded by PPP and several competent firms had expressed serious interest in investing,” ani Alikpala.

    Subalit, imbes na idaan ito sa Build-Operate-Transfer scheme, inilipat ng administrasyong Duterte ang funding source nito sa Official Development Assistance ng China.

    “In 2016, the PPP plans were scrapped in favor of funding the project with Chinese loans for Chinese construction firms. The project has yet to start. And here we are today,” ani Alikpala.

    Samantala, hindi naniniwala ang MWSS at PAGASA sa paliwanag ng Manila Water na dahil sa mababang water level ng La Mesa Dam ang nararanasang water interruption sa Metro Manila.

    Ang Angat Dam ang pangunahing water source ng Kamaynilaan, at tanging reservoir lang ang La Mesa Dam.

    Sa kasalukuyan, nasa 200 meters ang lebel ng tubig sa Angat, mas mababa sa 212 meters na normal level.

    Ayon kay Rusy Abastillas ng PAGASA Climate Monitoring and Prediction Section, hindi rin dapat isisi sa El Nino ang krisis sa tubig.

    “Kung El Niño ito, dapat ‘yung ibang dams din nagbabaan, eh hindi naman,” ani Abastillas.



  • gotta lick itgotta lick it Member ✭✭✭
    Metro Manila is too crowded, tapos there are more residential condominiums and buildings being constructed in the Bay Area reclamation. Of course some of the water resources would be diverted to that area.  The Bay Area should just have pumping stations that would convert the sea water to fresh water
    agree ... remove all the "ang probinsyano" and there will be no water shortage in MM.


    hindi problema ang condominiums and malls. we already have the GREEN BUILDING LAW. condominiums are required to have two water saving facilities, a Sewer Treatment Plant and a Rainwater Collector. these condominiums are recycling their water.

    "ang probinsyano" squatters are using portable water for free and without limitations.
  • gotta lick itgotta lick it Member ✭✭✭

    this is shear incompetence of the DuDirty government

    the El Nino event can be predicted but instead of putting funds on CLOUD SEEDING .... DuDirty would rather wait for the rain to come.

    dapat yun mga existing dam i-dredge dahil sa siltation.


    CONSPIRACY: it is a ploy to make the CHINESE CHICO DAM proposal URGENT.
  • pollywogpollywog ...just because ✭✭✭

    You cannot just seed any cloud. There's a specific cloud type suitable for cloud seeding.

    Pag wala pang rain clouds, di pwedeng mag cloud seeding.


    PAGASA counters Manila Water: El Niño not cause of water shortage

    http://interaksyon.com/politics-issues/2019/03/12/145585/pagasa-counters-manila-water-el-nino-not-cause-of-water-shortage/


  • chaitotekchaitotek Member ✭✭
    burned!                 
  • LTLT Member ✭✭✭✭✭
    chanco puts the blame squarely on manila water.  after all, maynilad (western zone) is not experiencing the same dilemma and is even willing to share some of its supply to help alleviate the situation

    https://www.philstar.com/business/2019/03/13/1900894/explanation-holds-no-water
  • IronHandofJusticeIronHandofJustice Member ✭✭✭✭
    Metro Manila is too crowded, tapos there are more residential condominiums and buildings being constructed in the Bay Area reclamation. Of course some of the water resources would be diverted to that area.  The Bay Area should just have pumping stations that would convert the sea water to fresh water
    agree ... remove all the "ang probinsyano" and there will be no water shortage in MM.


    hindi problema ang condominiums and malls. we already have the GREEN BUILDING LAW. condominiums are required to have two water saving facilities, a Sewer Treatment Plant and a Rainwater Collector. these condominiums are recycling their water.

    "ang probinsyano" squatters are using portable water for free and without limitations.
    I want to help you cure your ignorance.

    https://idl-bnc-idrc.dspacedirect.org/bitstream/handle/10625/14878/108376.pdf?sequence=5&isAllowed=y

    That is if you have enough brain power to comprehend this study.
  • gotta lick itgotta lick it Member ✭✭✭
    edited March 13
    pollywog said:

    You cannot just seed any cloud. There's a specific cloud type suitable for cloud seeding.

    Pag wala pang rain clouds, di pwedeng mag cloud seeding.


    PAGASA counters Manila Water: El Niño not cause of water shortage

    http://interaksyon.com/politics-issues/2019/03/12/145585/pagasa-counters-manila-water-el-nino-not-cause-of-water-shortage/


    bakit meron bang "BUDGET" para sa cloud seeding?? it hasnt rained since the start of this season.


    just tell us what is in the "RE-ENACTED BUDGET."


    chaitotek said:
    burned!                 
    when has it rained since January 01???


    the government is built on FAKE NEWS. and, they will be as DISHONEST just to cover up their incompetence.
  • pollywogpollywog ...just because ✭✭✭

    Kahit may 1 Trillion ka pang pondo para sa cloud seeding, kung walang cumulus clouds walang ulan na papatak!

    Asin lang at eroplano ang kelangan sa cloud seeding FYI.

    Kahit 3M lang pwede ka nang mag cloud seeding.


  • ArnoldZArnoldZ Member ✭✭✭
    Cloud seeding? What if there's not enough cloud of no cloud at all? Illegal logging and cutting down trees for kaingin affects the natural balance. 
  • gotta lick itgotta lick it Member ✭✭✭
    edited March 13
    read this genius DuDirty trolls ...

    DA orders cloud seeding amid water shortage

    Patricia Lourdes Viray | The Philippine Star | March 12, 2019


    Agriculture Secretary Emmanuel Piñol has ordered the agency's regional offices to conduct cloud seeding operations as Metro Manila and nearby areas experience a water supply shortage attributed to El Niño.

    Water service concessionaires Manila Water and Maynilad earlier announced that there would be water service interruptions in the coming days due to operational adjustments.

    In a Facebook post, Piñol recounted how he asked his friend and helicopter pilot Archibald Po if the cloud formations they passed through en route to Isabela and Nueva Ecija were enough for cloud seeding operations.

    "Archie said the cloud formations may not be heavy enough for a cloud seeding operations but he said that continuous monitoring should be conducted," Piñol said on Facebook.

    Po advised the Agriculture chief that the there should be right timing when the clouds are above La Mesa Dam.

    ......



    for the full article: https://www.philstar.com/headlines/2019/03/12/1900834/da-orders-cloud-seeding-amid-water-shortage#lkXb77fd5ywAFIVa.99


    HINDI LANG SA METRO MANILA ANG PROBLEMA. EL NINO is NATIONWIDE!!!! ang the DUDIRTY GOVERNMENT IS INCOMPETENT to ADDRESS the PROBLEM because DuDirty is BUSY with the 2019 ELECTIONS.

  • buddywbuddyw Member ✭✭✭

    El Niño to blame for Manila Water woes? Data doesn't support it


    “The MWSS and PAGASA are not buying Manila Water’s explanation that El Niño and the La Mesa Dam’s low water level triggered the service interruptions.”

    After exposing the fake SWS surveys obviously made to favor Bong Go (we were the first to expose it, a week before the MindaNews exposé came out),

    we are about to expose potential Chinese debt-trap project. Apparently, water shortage is being artificially created and hyped, blaming El Niño, another lame excuse, for it to create a water shortage scare among the public, all to justify the project. Here are some excerpts from the Rappler report:

    “Data from the Philippine Atmospheric, Geophysical, and Astronomical Services Administration (PAGASA) showed that the water level of the Angat Dam is around 200 meters, below the normal level of 212 meters. While it is below the normal level, it has not reached the critical level of 195 meters…”

    “PAGASA is also not convinced that El Niño is to blame for the water service interruptions.
    ‘Kung El Niño ito, dapat ‘yung ibang dams din nagbabaan, eh hindi naman,’ said Rusy Abastillas of PAGASA’s Climate Monitoring and Prediction Section…”

    “Moreover, Metropolitan Waterworks and Sewerage System Administrator Reynaldo Velasco told CNN Philippines that the water from the Angat Dam is still ‘enough.'”

     

    From these statements, it is clear that there is no actual shortage of water in the country at the moment. But why should “they” create a water shortage scare among the public?..

    …Then, in the midst of all these water shortage brouhahas, this news comes  out:

     The administration is planning to build two dams, including a Chinese funded and designed dam – the Kaliwa dam in Infanta, Quezon. The fact that the Chinese are financing and designing the dam implies they will also be involved in its construction. As stated in the article below, this is another of those Chinese [debt-trap] loan projects, something that Malaysian Prime Minister Mahathir Mohamad warned us about during his visit recently.


    China is running out of time; they have 3 years to corner as much projects for their debt-trap financing as possible, with the help from its lackey Philippine government. The Chinese can gain double benefits from these projects: 

    1st, they will be able to utilize their idle funds for their benefit by lending them, and they have billions and billions of dollars of them, while still earning decent interests; and – this is the worst part,

    2nd, they can hold captive any nation under their infamous debt-trap.

    Very obviously, the administration is trying to fast-tract the projects, including Laiban-Kanang dam, by creating an artificial shortage, and with it, a crisis or emergency situation. This explains why the water shortage cropped up all of a sudden, without much warning. (Of course, the possibility of a drought is real, but as of now, there is no shortage and therefore, water rationing is unjustified.)

     

    “Very obviously, they are trying to fast-tract the projects by creating an artificial shortage, and with it, a crisis or emergency situation. This explains why the water shortage cropped up all of a sudden, without much warning.”

     

    Conclusion:

    So the question is: is the administration trying to fool us (again?) to accept this Chinese-financed, and potential debt-trap, project? Just like the Boracay clean-up project implemented to remove small-time businesses in favor of big ones? Like the Manila Bay clean-up by the DPWH just to lay the groundwork for the reclamation projects there of known administration cronies? Judge for yourselves.

    (Next, don’t be shocked if they come up with electricity shortage. Remember, some of our electricity supplies come from hydroelectric plants that rely on dam waters. Be prepared. Water and electricity shortages, these could become hot election issues.)




  • buddywbuddyw Member ✭✭✭

     Angat Dam water level normal

    Metro Manila (CNN Philippines, March 13) — Water levels in Angat Dam — the main water source of Metro Manila — are still within the normal range.

    CNN Philippines was able to fly over the mountains of Sierra Madre to check on the situation in the dam, north of the metropolis. Upon checking, the water level was at 199.94 meters, which authorities said was normal.

    The volume Angat Dam currently holds is still enough to supply both domestic and irrigation demands, according to experts. They said water supply will be first cut off for irrigation once it hit the 180-meter critical mark, and only when it hits 160 meters will supply for domestic uses be limited.

    Dam authorities said water can supply Metro Manila for another 125 days, or until the end of the dry season.

    Angat Dam supplies 96 percent of Metro Manila's needs. It is connected to the La Mesa water reservoir in Quezon City, which is now at the lowest water level in 12 years.

    A conveyor in Angat with a capacity of 1.6 billion liters per day carries water to homes and businesses under eastern Metro Manila's concessionaire, Manila Water. However, the demand from customers have risen to 1.7 billion liters per day.

    The demand spike has caused a water shortage affecting over half-a-million residents in the metropolis.



  • In order not to make things worse, let's just practice water conservation. Small actions, big difference. 
  • ArnoldZArnoldZ Member ✭✭✭
    Agree. Wasteful consumption ion should be avoided.
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