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PAO asked to stop DengVaxia probe

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    Medical experts: Stop Dengvaxia autopsies
    Source: The Philippine Star


    MANILA, Philippines — A group of doctors, academicians, scientists and health advocates yesterday asked the Department of Justice (DOJ) to stop the Public Attorney’s Office (PAO) from performing autopsies on children who allegedly died after being vaccinated with Dengvaxia.

    This developed as Malacañang, through presidential spokesman Harry Roque, yesterday welcomed the findings of medical experts from the University of the Philippines-Philippine General Hospital (UP-PGH), who stated that the deaths of 14 children inoculated with Dengvaxia were “totally not related to the vaccine,” except for two cases.

    “And finally, good news to the 830,000 parents whose children were given the Dengvaxia vaccine,” Roque said, noting the UP-PGH was the one tasked by the Department of Health to conduct an independent study on the alleged deaths related to the vaccine.

    Roque said concerned parents could heave a sigh of relief following the findings of the team.

    After the release of the findings, a group that includes former health secretary Esperanza Cabral and vaccine expert Lulu Bravo said PAO should no longer do autopsies because “it makes no sense for any more families to be subjected to the torture of having a loved one exhumed and cut up only to find out that no useful information was derived from the cruel act.”

    In a joint statement, the group urged “the DOJ to order the PAO to stop performing autopsies on these children and to leave the matter of determining the cause of death to competent forensic pathologists.”

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    Free autopsy
    With the impact of the Dengvaxia vaccination expected to occur in the next few years, the PGH offered the expertise of its staff to do free medical autopsies on children who died after receiving the vaccine.

    According to Ma. Cecilia Lim, a forensic pathologist and assistant chair of the PGH-Department of Pathology, the hospital is willing to conduct the autopsies only for cases related to Dengvaxia.

    “Only forensic pathologists know how to do medical autopsies,” said Lim, who was part of the 10-man expert panel of the UP-PGH.

    Lim noted if parents do not want to avail of PGH services, the Philippine Society of Pathologists (PSP) is also willing to help.

    Lim made the announcement when the UP-PGH panel released on Friday the results of its investigation into the deaths of 14 children.

    The panel is composed of pediatric cardiologists, pediatric infectious disease and pediatric emergency specialists, allergists/immunologists, pediatric gastroenterologist, pediatric nephrologist, neonatologist and forensic pathologist.

    They also tapped specialists like a pediatric neurologist, pediatric hematologist/oncologist, geneticist and rheumatologist.

    After thoroughly looking into the clinical records and history of the patients, the panel found that three of the 14 children had developed dengue shock syndrome after vaccination, with two cases associated with vaccine failure – meaning they still contracted dengue even after Dengvaxia inoculation.

    The panel recommended the conduct of autopsy on four of the 14 cases to establish the causes of their deaths and the possible connection to Dengvaxia.

    Lim said they have not had a chance to look into the results of the autopsies conducted by the PAO. She recommended that future autopsies on Dengvaxia cases be done with a representative from the PGH or the PSP.

    “An autopsy is not merely opening the body, looking at different organs. That’s what we actually see on TV. But an autopsy is actually a more complicated process,” she added.

    She said that in doing a medical autopsy, tissues from organs are taken and then examined on the microscope, among other strict procedures.

    “These are correlated or connected with all the clinical data that we have, the symptoms, the laboratory results… You have to examine everything,” Lim added.

    Bravo also called for sobriety amid what she described as hysteria brought by alleged Dengvaxia-related deaths.

    Bravo, president of the Immunization Partners in AsiaPacific, said parents should be calm and seek the advice of doctors if their children are showing signs of dengue.

    “What’s important is if our children are sick, bring them to a doctor so you will be enlightened and to make sure if it’s dengue or not,” Bravo said in a news forum in Quezon City.

    Bravo said she favored the suspension of the Dengvaxia immunization program so the government could make a proper evaluation and determine whether the vaccine is effective and the reason behind the deaths of several people.

    “Because of what’s happening, we don’t have a choice at this time,” she said.

    She added it is difficult to conclude if the vaccine is solely responsible for the deaths of some people who received the medicine.

    She stressed that a person can still contract a disease despite being vaccinated.

    Not yet established
    Citing the findings of the UP-PGH, pharmaceutical firm and Dengvaxia manufacturer Sanofi Pasteur confirmed that the link between the vaccines and the deaths of 14 vaccinated children has not yet been established.

    The company maintained that “in Dengvaxia clinical trials conducted over more than a decade, and the over one million doses of the vaccine administered, no deaths related to the vaccine have been reported to us.”

    The panel clarified the findings are not yet final.

    The company said they sympathize with “all the families who have suffered the loss of a child.”

    “Sanofi Pasteur’s mission is to reduce or eliminate suffering for millions around the world through vaccination, including in the Philippines… Dengue fever is one of the most pressing public health issues facing the Philippines today,” it added.

    Sanofi assured the public that it “remains committed to working with the Philippine government and all organisations to address this urgent public health challenge.”
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  • pollywogpollywog ...just because ✭✭✭
    Then go ahead!!!

    Have your children and relatives get vaccinated by Dengvaxia!!!


    Sweet.twins and Knorr, simulan nyo! :rolleyes:
  • PorkChop :o)PorkChop :o) Member ✭✭✭
    pre walang anak yang si sweet.twins hahaha tangena papatol ka ba naman sa mukhang siko? :lol:
  • mimigsmimigs Member ✭✭
    dito mo malalaman sa pex yung consistency sa pag cover up ng dilawan tungkol sa dengue :rotflmao:
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  • rig-vedarig-veda Member PExer
    mimigs wrote: »
    dito mo malalaman sa pex yung consistency sa pag cover up ng dilawan tungkol sa dengue :rotflmao:
    Ang nakaraan:


    December 4, 2017: Press Briefing by Presidential Spokesperson Harry Roque Jr. with Department Of Health Spokesperson Assistant Secretary Lyndon Lee Suy, and Presidential Communications Office Assistant Secretary Kris Ablan
    https://pcoo.gov.ph/press_briefing/press-briefing-presidential-spokesperson-harry-roque-jr-department-health-spokesperson-assistant-secretary-lyndon-lee-suy-presidential-communications-office-assistant-secretary-kris/

    PRESIDENTIAL SPOKESPERSON ROQUE: Good morning. The good news is people should not panic about the dengue vaccine. There is no danger with the dengue vaccine.


    Ang kasalakuyan:


    February 3, 2018: Press Briefing of Presidential Spokesperson Harry Roque
    https://pcoo.gov.ph/press_briefing/press-briefing-presidential-spokesperson-harry-roque-7/

    SEC. ROQUE: And finally, good news to the 830,000 parents whose children were given the Dengvaxia vaccine: The UP-PGH tasked by the DOH to conduct an independent study on deaths, alleged deaths of children due to Dengvaxia reported that, out of 14 children examined who allegedly died because of Dengvaxia, only 13 of them—well, 13 of them were found to be unrelated to the vaccine. I repeat, out of 14 remains examined by UP-PGH, 13 of them were found to be totally unrelated to the vaccine. This means that only one case might be casually or causally associated with the vaccine.

    Now that is, that the one with dengue and with anti-bodies to dengue. Although it has yet to be determined if the vaccine had anything to do with the death, now in 2 of the children autopsied, it was noted that vaccine failures may have been the cause. This means that anti-bodies were produced so they could not have suffered from an anti-body enhanced reaction.

    Uulitin ko po! Sang-ayon po sa pag-aaral ng UP-PGH… although kami po ni Governor bias dahil pareho kaming taga-UP at naging propesor pa po ako diyan, ang kanilang finding po doon sa katorse na mga labi ng mga namatay na kabataan, 13 po doon, walang kinalaman iyong Dengvaxia. Mayroon pong isa na sa tingin nila ay kahit papaano ay related doon sa Dengvaxia.

    Pero iyong sa dalawa naman po na pina-examine nila ay mukhang nagkaroon po ng dengue. Ibig sabihin, hindi gumana iyong Dengvaxia. Pero ‘yan po ay mabuting balita doon sa 830,000 na mga nanay/tatay na naa-abala at natatakot na baka may banta sa buhay ng kanilang mga anak.




    Consistent nga. Pero... dilawan pala ang presidential spokesperson? :shrug2:
  • mimigsmimigs Member ✭✭
    So you guys TRUST Roque now? :rotflmao:

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  • tsk_tsktsk_tsk Member ✭✭✭
    ang UP-PGH ang independent body na inatasan ng DOH at pinayagan ng Malacaniang na sumuri sa isyu ng dengvaxia dahil may tiwala sila sa kakakayahan at sa pagiging independente nito. hindi ito binubuo ng dalawa o tatlong tao lamang kundi ito ay binubuo ng mga scientist at mga eksperto. sa grupo na yan, sigurado marami din ang mga duterte supporters. bukod pa dyan, ang proseso ng pag imbestiga ay closely monitored ng DOH na hawak din ng administrasyon. kaya hindi ko maintindihan ang utak ng mga dutertard kung bakit pinipilit palabasin na kagagawan ng mga dilawan ng resulta ng imbestigasyon ng UP-PGH. ganito na pala talaga kab0bo ang mga pilipino ngayon.
  • despisePappusdespisePappus A Jounin ✭✭✭
    tsk_tsk wrote: »
    ang UP-PGH ang independent body na inatasan ng DOH at pinayagan ng Malacaniang na sumuri sa isyu ng dengvaxia dahil may tiwala sila sa kakakayahan at sa pagiging independente nito. hindi ito binubuo ng dalawa o tatlong tao lamang kundi ito ay binubuo ng mga scientist at mga eksperto. sa grupo na yan, sigurado marami din ang mga duterte supporters. bukod pa dyan, ang proseso ng pag imbestiga ay closely monitored ng DOH na hawak din ng administrasyon. kaya hindi ko maintindihan ang utak ng mga dutertard kung bakit pinipilit palabasin na kagagawan ng mga dilawan ng resulta ng imbestigasyon ng UP-PGH. ganito na pala talaga kab0bo ang mga pilipino ngayon.

    THIS!

    ==========

    Ang mga doctors ay may kanya-kanyang expertise. Di ko alam kung ang PAO Forensic doctors ay may expertise din sa vaccine effects.

    Dito, evidence can speak for themselves for as long as walang cover-up o hidden agenda. Let the truth prevail.

    ============

    Only 2 out of 14 death cases were related to the Dengvaxia vaccine and it was not about the vaccine making things worse but the failure of the vaccine to generate antibodies, yan ang pagkakaintindi ko. Correct me if I am wrong.

    Sana maliwanagan pa tayo sa mga susunod na araw.

    Magkaroon sana ng dialogue between PAO forensic doctors and DOH, PGH experts. Nakakahiya na nagtatalo sila sa kasong ito. Ok sana kung hindi hinahaluan ng pulitika.
  • mimigsmimigs Member ✭✭
    grabe naman yung pasabog ni TP :rotflmao:
  • EgozumEgozum Member ✭✭
    BREAKING: Sanofi Pasteur declines DOH request to refund used Dengvaxia, support indemnification fund...
  • rig-vedarig-veda Member PExer
    mimigs wrote: »
    "So you guys TRUST Roque now?"


    No, YOU do.
    mimigs wrote: »

    ...

    [crouching-tiger-disappearing-spoiler]http://news.abs-cbn.com/news/02/04/18/roque-eyes-frigate-deal-probe-vs-aquino-cabinet-men

    “Congressman Alejano, salamat po. Dahil sa iyong sinabi iimbestigahan na po natin yung inyong mga kakampi noong nakalipas na administrasyon,” the Palace spokesperson told reporters.

    “Kung totoo na blacklisted iyong binigyan nila ng kontrata, dapat managot iyong mga opisyales ng mga nakalipas na administrasyon at sabihin sa atin bakit naging ganoon ang kanilang naging desisyon,” he added.


    ...

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    https://www.pinoyexchange.com/forums/showthread.php?t=923868&page=4&p=77231230&viewfull=1#post77231230
    [/crouching-tiger-disappearing-spoiler]

    On the frigate issue, Roque is crafting a false narrative to protect the Duterte administration.


    On the dengvaxia issue... well, regardless of the facts, obviously you believe Roque is also crafting a false narrative.


    To protect whom? -- Who appointed Roque?


    Consistent nga. :shrug2:
  • tsk_tsktsk_tsk Member ✭✭✭
    THIS!

    ==========

    Ang mga doctors ay may kanya-kanyang expertise. Di ko alam kung ang PAO Forensic doctors ay may expertise din sa vaccine effects.

    Dito, evidence can speak for themselves for as long as walang cover-up o hidden agenda. Let the truth prevail.

    ============

    Only 2 out of 14 death cases were related to the Dengvaxia vaccine and it was not about the vaccine making things worse but the failure of the vaccine to generate antibodies, yan ang pagkakaintindi ko. Correct me if I am wrong.

    Sana maliwanagan pa tayo sa mga susunod na araw.

    Magkaroon sana ng dialogue between PAO forensic doctors and DOH, PGH experts. Nakakahiya na nagtatalo sila sa kasong ito. Ok sana kung hindi hinahaluan ng pulitika.


    lilinawin ko lang para sa mga DUTERTARDS na hindi makaintindi at pilit na nakiki ride sa isyo. dalawa lamang sa labing apat (14%) na namatay ang may kinalaman sa dengvaxa, masyadong mababa para sabihin na yun ang dahilan ng pagkamatay ng mga pasyente.

    ang dalawang pasyente ay binigyan ng bakuna peru hindi ito nag mount ng immunity o walang antibody na naproduce (vaccination failure), ibig sabihin WALANG BISA ang binigay na bakuna, posibleng dahilan ay mali ang handling ng vaccine, mali ang storage ng vaccine, or mahina ang immune system ng pasyente kaya hindi nakagawa ng antibody ang katawan nya. ibig sabihin, kung ang bakuna ay walang kakayahan na mag produce ng antibody sa isang pasyente, ay wala rin itong kakayahan na mag cause ng death sa isang pasyente due to immune reaction. sa madaling sabi, ang bakuna na walang bisa ay para lamang itong tubig na ininject sa isang pasyente.

    kaya ano ngayon ang pinaglalaban ng PAO at ng mga dutertards?
  • mimigsmimigs Member ✭✭
    rig-veda wrote: »
    "So you guys TRUST Roque now?"


    No, YOU do.



    ...

    [crouching-tiger-disappearing-spoiler]http://news.abs-cbn.com/news/02/04/18/roque-eyes-frigate-deal-probe-vs-aquino-cabinet-men

    “Congressman Alejano, salamat po. Dahil sa iyong sinabi iimbestigahan na po natin yung inyong mga kakampi noong nakalipas na administrasyon,” the Palace spokesperson told reporters.

    “Kung totoo na blacklisted iyong binigyan nila ng kontrata, dapat managot iyong mga opisyales ng mga nakalipas na administrasyon at sabihin sa atin bakit naging ganoon ang kanilang naging desisyon,” he added.


    ...

    https://s14.postimg.org/d2iuh33a9/15641326000660795.jpg

    https://www.pinoyexchange.com/forums/showthread.php?t=923868&page=4&p=77231230&viewfull=1#post77231230
    [/crouching-tiger-disappearing-spoiler]

    On the frigate issue, Roque is crafting a false narrative to protect the Duterte administration.


    On the dengvaxia issue... well, regardless of the facts, obviously you believe Roque is also crafting a false narrative.


    To protect whom? -- Who appointed Roque?


    Consistent nga. :shrug2:

    kelan? :rotflmao:
    tsk_tsk wrote: »
    lilinawin ko lang para sa mga DUTERTARDS na hindi makaintindi at pilit na nakiki ride sa isyo. dalawa lamang sa labing apat (14%) na namatay ang may kinalaman sa dengvaxa, masyadong mababa para sabihin na yun ang dahilan ng pagkamatay ng mga pasyente.

    ang dalawang pasyente ay binigyan ng bakuna peru hindi ito nag mount ng immunity o walang antibody na naproduce (vaccination failure), ibig sabihin WALANG BISA ang binigay na bakuna, posibleng dahilan ay mali ang handling ng vaccine, mali ang storage ng vaccine, or mahina ang immune system ng pasyente kaya hindi nakagawa ng antibody ang katawan nya. ibig sabihin, kung ang bakuna ay walang kakayahan na mag produce ng antibody sa isang pasyente, ay wala rin itong kakayahan na mag cause ng death sa isang pasyente due to immune reaction. sa madaling sabi, ang bakuna na walang bisa ay para lamang itong tubig na ininject sa isang pasyente.

    kaya ano ngayon ang pinaglalaban ng PAO at ng mga dutertards?

    nako boy, you are being one sided at naniwala ka naman agad? :rotflmao: uto uto nga kayo, paki refute nalang yung post ni TP andun pati leak emails niyong dilawan
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