rabbi debunked trinity verses in the OT
attackmode
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Naku naman attackmode natural lang yan sa Judaism.
Hanggang torah at tanakh lang sila walang Bible gaya sa inyo.
isang sampol:
"To understand how Christian translators rewrote the words of King David, lets examine the original Hebrew words of this verse with a proper translation."
Psalm 22:17 (16)
Correct Translation
Hebrew
King James Version (16)
For dogs have encompassed me; a company of evildoers have enclosed me; like a lion, they are at my hands and my feet.
כִּי סְבָבוּנִי, כְּלָבִים: עֲדַת מְרֵעִים, הִקִּיפוּנִי; כָּאֲרִי, יָדַי וְרַגְלָי:
For dogs have compassed me, the assembly of the wicked have enclosed me; they pierced my hands and my feet.
"Christian translators were well aware of the correct meaning of this simple Hebrew word. They fully understood the meaning of the word כָּאֲרִי and deliberately twisted their translations of this text."
-Rabbi Tovia Singer
https://outreachjudaism.org/crucifixion-psalm/0 -
attackmode wrote: »isang sampol:
"To understand how Christian translators rewrote the words of King David, lets examine the original Hebrew words of this verse with a proper translation."
Psalm 22:17 (16)
Correct Translation
Hebrew
King James Version (16)
For dogs have encompassed me; a company of evildoers have enclosed me; like a lion, they are at my hands and my feet.
כִּי סְבָבוּנִי, כְּלָבִים: עֲדַת מְרֵעִים, הִקִּיפוּנִי; כָּאֲרִי, יָדַי וְרַגְלָי:
For dogs have compassed me, the assembly of the wicked have enclosed me; they pierced my hands and my feet.
"Christian translators were well aware of the correct meaning of this simple Hebrew word. They fully understood the meaning of the word כָּאֲרִי and deliberately twisted their translations of this text."
-Rabbi Tovia Singer
https://outreachjudaism.org/crucifixion-psalm/
Your source is according to Judaism. Di ba muslim ka? Parang may mali.
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That's because Israel has been corporately "hardened partially, until the fullness of the gentiles has come in". (Romans 11:25) Pero malapit ng kunin ng Diyos ang piring sa kanilang mga mata, I believe that with all my heart.
At meron ng ilang mga Hudyo ang nagbabalik-loob sa Diyos, katulad ng nasa video sa ibaba.
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regardless kung hindi nila tanggap si jesus or what, what matters is mali ang ginagamit nyong verses sa OT para patunayan si jesus na god, at yung ibang verses e deliberately pang minali.
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eto pa isang claim ng christians sa OT to prove jesus divinity, yung Elohim daw e plural kaya trinity daw yun. ano sagot ng mga may alam sa hebrew scriptures?
missionaries point to the plural form of the Hebrew name of God אֶלהִים, (Elohim), which appears frequently in the Torah, to bolster their claim that there is a complex unity in the godhead. They argue that the use of the Hebrew letters ים (yud and mem, pronounced im), which is a plural suffix at the end of the word Elohim, provides ample evidence from Tanach that there is a plurality within the nature of God
There is an enormous difficulty with the interpretation that the name Elohim signifies a sort of plurality in the godhead; for if Elohim implies a plurality of persons, how can missionaries explain that the identical word Elohim in Tanach refers to Moses as well? Regarding Moses, the Torah says,
"The Lord said to Moses, See, I have made thee a god אֶלהִים, (Elohim) to Pharaoh, and Aaron thy brother shall be thy prophet.
(Exodus 7:1 KJV)
Are missionaries suggesting that there was a plurality of persons in Moses? Is your associate going to insist that Moses was part of a Trinity? The notion that Moses, who is called Elohim in the Torah, possessed more than one person is preposterous. Moreover, if the name of God is to signify a plurality in the godhead, why wasnt the name Jehovah, which is by far the most frequently used name for God in the Jewish Scriptures, also written in the plural? Clearly, this sort of Trinitarian argument is baseless
Therefore, the nation of Israel, to whom God revealed Himself at the foot of Mount Sinai, knew nothing about a plurality of persons in the godhead. No fact could be more firmly established once all of our sacred literature both canonical and rabbinical is used as our eternal guide. This matter is indisputable .
-Rabbi Tovia Singer
https://outreachjudaism.org/elohim-plural/
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durog!!
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attackmode wrote: »eto pa isang claim ng christians sa OT to prove jesus divinity, yung Elohim daw e plural kaya trinity daw yun. ano sagot ng mga may alam sa hebrew scriptures?
missionaries point to the plural form of the Hebrew name of God אֶלהִים, (Elohim), which appears frequently in the Torah, to bolster their claim that there is a complex unity in the godhead. They argue that the use of the Hebrew letters ים (yud and mem, pronounced im), which is a plural suffix at the end of the word Elohim, provides ample evidence from Tanach that there is a plurality within the nature of God
There is an enormous difficulty with the interpretation that the name Elohim signifies a sort of plurality in the godhead; for if Elohim implies a plurality of persons, how can missionaries explain that the identical word Elohim in Tanach refers to Moses as well? Regarding Moses, the Torah says,
"The Lord said to Moses, See, I have made thee a god אֶלהִים, (Elohim) to Pharaoh, and Aaron thy brother shall be thy prophet.
(Exodus 7:1 KJV)
Are missionaries suggesting that there was a plurality of persons in Moses? Is your associate going to insist that Moses was part of a Trinity? The notion that Moses, who is called Elohim in the Torah, possessed more than one person is preposterous. Moreover, if the name of God is to signify a plurality in the godhead, why wasnt the name Jehovah, which is by far the most frequently used name for God in the Jewish Scriptures, also written in the plural? Clearly, this sort of Trinitarian argument is baseless
Therefore, the nation of Israel, to whom God revealed Himself at the foot of Mount Sinai, knew nothing about a plurality of persons in the godhead. No fact could be more firmly established once all of our sacred literature both canonical and rabbinical is used as our eternal guide. This matter is indisputable .
-Rabbi Tovia Singer
https://outreachjudaism.org/elohim-plural/
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durog!!
Wala kang mapoprove kung OT lang ang gagamitin mo. Di ba ang quran ninyo ay old testament din lang.
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attackmode wrote: »regardless kung hindi nila tanggap si jesus or what, what matters is mali ang ginagamit nyong verses sa OT para patunayan si jesus na god, at yung ibang verses e deliberately pang minali.
Sabi ko na sa iyo ang Bible ay OT at NT.0 -
pakana ng Khazarian Mafia yan that originated from Khazar region in Europe who were not real Jews but Eastern European converts to Judaism na dating Molech worshipers that practice pagan child sacrifice and presently occupying Rothschild owned Zionist Israel, at hindi mga orihinal na Hebreo na kung saan nagmula si Noah, Abraham sa tunay na LUPANG PANGAKO ng mga Pili Pino, dahil ang pangalan ni Kristo ay ISA (ONE: Father, Son, Holy Spirit / Divine Feminine).
Yung mga Hudeo na na-engkwentro ni Kristo ay practitioners ng Babylonian black magic of Usury and whose "evil and adulterous generation manifest in modern era with the Wh_re of Babyon and of Babylon Mystery Religion that deceived many.
http://www.veteranstoday.com/2015/03/08/the-hidden-history-of-the-incredibly-evil-khazarian-mafia/0 -
Your source is according to Judaism. Di ba muslim ka? Parang may mali.Wala kang mapoprove kung OT lang ang gagamitin mo. Di ba ang quran ninyo ay old testament din lang.
*****Sabi ko na sa iyo ang Bible ay OT at NT.
sumalosep! kaya pala nandyan ka pa sa religion mo, ganito ba lahat ng christians?!
papaliwanag ko sayo ha, namnamin mo maigi, wag tipirin ang utak, mas mauubos yan pag di ginagamit.
kaya sa judaism kumuha dahil ang topic e verses sa OT na gingamit nyo para patunayan si jesus ay nasa OT at god sa OT ok? o namnamin mo muna, basahin mo ng 100 times baka pumasok na....
since ang OT ay jewish/hebrew scriptures, e sila ang supposedly authority at mas makakapagbigay ng paliwanag, o basahin mo ng 100 times uli papasok din yan sa kokote mo...
at alam ko na OT and NT ang bible, pero kasi nga ginagamit nyo ang OT verses para patunayan na god si jesus, o basahin mo ng 100 times uli, kahit dahan dahan medyo syempre hindi sanay yang utak mo kaya ganyan, pahinga pahinga lang para di sumakit ulo ha.
i- exercise ang utak ha?0 -
attackmode wrote: »sumalosep! kaya pala nandyan ka pa sa religion mo, ganito ba lahat ng christians?!
papaliwanag ko sayo ha, namnamin mo maigi, wag tipirin ang utak, mas mauubos yan pag di ginagamit.
kaya sa judaism kumuha dahil ang topic e verses sa OT na gingamit nyo para patunayan si jesus ay nasa OT at god sa OT ok? o namnamin mo muna, basahin mo ng 100 times baka pumasok na....
since ang OT ay jewish/hebrew scriptures, e sila ang supposedly authority at mas makakapagbigay ng paliwanag, o basahin mo ng 100 times uli papasok din yan sa kokote mo...
at alam ko na OT and NT ang bible, pero kasi nga ginagamit nyo ang OT verses para patunayan na god si jesus, o basahin mo ng 100 times uli, kahit dahan dahan medyo syempre hindi sanay yang utak mo kaya ganyan, pahinga pahinga lang para di sumakit ulo ha.
i- exercise ang utak ha?
Payo ko sa iyo wag magpapaniwala sa mga youtube baka pag tagal manieala ka na din sa sirena.
Kulang ang pagkakaintindi mo sa Bible kung hanggang OT ka lang.
edras mazbut ya mamhun.0 -
attackmode wrote: »isang sampol:
"To understand how Christian translators rewrote the words of King David, lets examine the original Hebrew words of this verse with a proper translation."
Psalm 22:17 (16)
Correct Translation
Hebrew
King James Version (16)
For dogs have encompassed me; a company of evildoers have enclosed me; like a lion, they are at my hands and my feet.
כִּי סְבָבוּנִי, כְּלָבִים: עֲדַת מְרֵעִים, הִקִּיפוּנִי; כָּאֲרִי, יָדַי וְרַגְלָי:
For dogs have compassed me, the assembly of the wicked have enclosed me; they pierced my hands and my feet.
"Christian translators were well aware of the correct meaning of this simple Hebrew word. They fully understood the meaning of the word כָּאֲרִי and deliberately twisted their translations of this text."
-Rabbi Tovia Singer
https://outreachjudaism.org/crucifixion-psalm/
The Hebrew words for "pierced" and "lion" are similar in Hebrew.
But the oldest texts such as the Dead Sea Scrolls (written at least 1000 years before the Masoretic Texts) and the Septuagint (written at least 200 years before the birth of Christ) contain "pierced" instead of "lion".
It is likely that the Masoretic Text which emerged only in the 3rd and 4th centuries AD had mistranslated the original texts because the prophecy in Psalm 22:16 is too powerful and stunning to ignore.
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The Hebrew words for "pierced" and "lion" are similar in Hebrew.
But the oldest texts such as the Dead Sea Scrolls (written at least 1000 years before the Masoretic Texts) and the Septuagint (written at least 200 years before the birth of Christ) contain "pierced" instead of "lion".
It is likely that the Masoretic Text which emerged only in the 3rd and 4th centuries AD had mistranslated the original texts because the prophecy in Psalm 22:16 is too powerful and stunning to ignore.
baka sinasabi mo lang yan?!
atsaka, does it mean na you accept the dead sea scroll?! alam mo ba lahat ng laman nun?! baka cherry picking ka lang?!0 -
^The Dead Sea Scrolls is the greatest archaeological discovery of our time. They authenticate the manuscripts that have been making the rounds in the last 2000 years. And scholars have found that there are minimal differences (such as Psalm 22:16) between the scrolls and these manuscripts, which means God has preserved His Word down through the centuries for the benefit of His people. Just a little bit of trivia, they were discovered in 1947, a year before the nation of Israel was born.
I'm waiting for another archaelogical discovery to unfold and this would shatter our world: the actual location of the Jewish temple. I believe the current Temple Mount is not the actual location and it's only a matter of time before the Jews discover the real location. 0 -
^The Dead Sea Scrolls is the greatest archaeological discovery of our time. They authenticate the manuscripts that have been making the rounds in the last 2000 years. And scholars have found that there are minimal differences (such as Psalm 22:16) between the scrolls and these manuscripts, which means God has preserved His Word down through the centuries for the benefit of His people. Just a little bit of trivia, they were discovered in 1947, a year before the nation of Israel was born.
I'm waiting for another archaelogical discovery to unfold and this would shatter our world: the actual location of the Jewish temple. I believe the current Temple Mount is not the actual location and it's only a matter of time before the Jews discover the real location.
bat di mo isama sa bible mo ang book of giants, book of jubilees etc na nasa dead sea scrolls?!0
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