April 22, 2017 debate! Iglesia ni cristo! Trinity!
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Debate between the Iglesia Ni Cristo and Alpha & Omega Ministries held earlier today!
TOPIC: WHO IS GOD? IS GOD A TRINITY?
WATCH REPLAY HERE - on FACEBOOK!
[video]https://www.facebook.com/vhic1004/videos/vb.100001985096295/1334786923264131/?type=2&theater[/video]
TOPIC: WHO IS GOD? IS GOD A TRINITY?
WATCH REPLAY HERE - on FACEBOOK!
[video]https://www.facebook.com/vhic1004/videos/vb.100001985096295/1334786923264131/?type=2&theater[/video]
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Debate between the Iglesia Ni Cristo and Alpha & Omega Ministries held earlier today!
TOPIC: WHO IS GOD? IS GOD A TRINITY?
WATCH REPLAY HERE - on FACEBOOK!
https://www.facebook.com/vhic1004/videos/vb.100001985096295/1334786923264131/?type=2&theater
Talunan pala si Joe Ventilator ng INC
DR. JAMES WHITE NILAMPASO SI VENTILACION NG IGLESIA NI MANALO; INC DEBATER NATUKLASANG MAHINA SA BIBLICAL LANGUAGES, CHARLATAN TALAGA!!!
http://thesplendorofthechurch.com/2017/04/22/dr-james-white-nilampaso-si-ventilacion-ng-iglesia-ni-manalo-inc-debater-natuklasang-mahina-sa-biblical-languages-charlatan-talaga/0 -
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Archimedes wrote: »Talunan pala si Joe Ventilator ng INC
DR. JAMES WHITE NILAMPASO SI VENTILACION NG IGLESIA NI MANALO; INC DEBATER NATUKLASANG MAHINA SA BIBLICAL LANGUAGES, CHARLATAN TALAGA!!!
http://thesplendorofthechurch.com/2017/04/22/dr-james-white-nilampaso-si-ventilacion-ng-iglesia-ni-manalo-inc-debater-natuklasang-mahina-sa-biblical-languages-charlatan-talaga/
Opinion nyo lang yan! Ang tunay na "pagkapanalo" ay kapag lumawak ang gawain sa South Dakota.
Basides, sino ang makapipigil sa kamay ng Diyos, sa Kanang mga gawain? Hindi ang "pagkapanalo" sa mga ganitong debate.
At saka kahit ulit-ulitin mo yan, ang nganga ay si Dr. White! Ngayon lang siya bumilib sa kalaban niya, gusto pa nga nyang aralin na ang doktrina ng INC, it seems. Bala mag-convert na yan in the near future!
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KidlatNgayon wrote: »Opinion nyo lang yan! Ang tunay na "pagkapanalo" ay kapag lumawak ang gawain sa South Dakota.
Basides, sino ang makapipigil sa kamay ng Diyos, sa Kanang mga gawain? Hindi ang "pagkapanalo" sa mga ganitong debate.
At saka kahit ulit-ulitin mo yan, ang nganga ay si Dr. White! Ngayon lang siya bumilib sa kalaban niya, gusto pa nga nyang aralin na ang doktrina ng INC, it seems. Bala mag-convert na yan in the near future!
Ni wala ngang "church of christ" or "iglesia ni cristo" sa list of religions in South Dakota.
http://www.bestplaces.net/religion/state/south_dakota
http://www.homefacts.com/religions/South-Dakota.html
Malamang nasa list of cults kayo.
Hahaha tama kulto nga!
Filipino Christian Cult Buys South Dakota Town
http://madvilletimes.com/2011/10/filipino-christian-cult-buys-south-dakota-town/0 -
Ni wala ngang "church of christ" or "iglesia ni cristo" sa list of religions in South Dakota.
http://www.bestplaces.net/religion/state/south_dakota
http://www.homefacts.com/religions/South-Dakota.html
Malamang nasa list of cults kayo.
Hahaha tama kulto nga!
Filipino Christian Cult Buys South Dakota Town
http://madvilletimes.com/2011/10/filipino-christian-cult-buys-south-dakota-town/
Hindi kasi "naglalagay" ang INC at saka yang listahang yan ay advertising lang!
Pero nakakatuwang yung mga maninira ng INC ay siya pang nagpapakilala sa INC through publicities like this. Sabi nga, good or bad, publicity is publicity, kaya LALONG nakikilala ang INC, interested ang mga tao kapag ganitong may controversy.
Kung mapapansin mo, mula nang lumabas ang controversy tungkol sa grupo ni Angel Manalo at sa Sanggunian ng INC, milyun-milyon ang nadagdag na miembro! SALAMAT! 
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South Dakota Religious Debate, 21 April 2017
Dr. James White vs Bro. Joe Ventilacion
WHO IS GOD? TRINITY DEBATE
Keili Linarez of South Dakota Apologetics says..
"..Dr. James White's stand is to prove that Father, Son and Holy Spirit are CO-EQUAL and CO-ETERNAL beings. And he was having hard time proving that Jesus was equal with all the persons of the trinity. And, he didn't cite any verse nor explain something about Holy Spirit being equal to Father and Son. On the other hand, Bro Joe Ventilacion (though oftentimes struggling with English) has clearly presented based from the Bible that God is over Christ and Christ is under God. Dr. White was the better speaker but Bro. Joe clearly won the debate.."0 -
Ni wala ngang "church of christ" or "iglesia ni cristo" sa list of religions in South Dakota.
http://www.bestplaces.net/religion/state/south_dakota
http://www.homefacts.com/religions/South-Dakota.html
Malamang nasa list of cults kayo.
Hahaha tama kulto nga!
Filipino Christian Cult Buys South Dakota Town
http://madvilletimes.com/2011/10/filipino-christian-cult-buys-south-dakota-town/
lol, kulto nga ang tawag sa kanila ng mga taga-South Dakota 0 -
KidlatNgayon wrote: »Hindi kasi "naglalagay" ang INC at saka yang listahang yan ay advertising lang!
Pero nakakatuwang yung mga maninira ng INC ay siya pang nagpapakilala sa INC through publicities like this. Sabi nga, good or bad, publicity is publicity, kaya LALONG nakikilala ang INC, interested ang mga tao kapag ganitong may controversy.
Kung mapapansin mo, mula nang lumabas ang controversy tungkol sa grupo ni Angel Manalo at sa Sanggunian ng INC, milyun-milyon ang nadagdag na miembro! SALAMAT!
Malinaw naman na hindi kinikilalang religion ang iglesia ni cristo. In fact kulto ang description sa inyo.
Nakikilala na nga ang INC nga lang kulto ang paniwala nila sa inyo.
Ang description nga nila sa INC "a family business"0 -
KidlatNgayon wrote: »Opinion nyo lang yan! Ang tunay na "pagkapanalo" ay kapag lumawak ang gawain sa South Dakota.
Basides, sino ang makapipigil sa kamay ng Diyos, sa Kanang mga gawain? Hindi ang "pagkapanalo" sa mga ganitong debate.
At saka kahit ulit-ulitin mo yan, ang nganga ay si Dr. White! Ngayon lang siya bumilib sa kalaban niya, gusto pa nga nyang aralin na ang doktrina ng INC, it seems. Bala mag-convert na yan in the near future!
baka ang ibig mong sabihin ay sa Scenic hihihihihihi
lalawak ang gawaing negosyo dun ni Kidlat
dahil sa langis
from Wikipedia (source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scenic,_South_Dakota)
In August 2011, Filipino religion, Iglesia ni Cristo (Church of Christ) bought the property for nearly $800,000, Pennington County records show.[9][10] The church never disclosed why it acquired the property. In 2014 Daniel Simmons-Ritchie of the Rapid City Journal wrote that Iglesia ni Cristo "has done little with the town since its purchase."[4] Following his expulsion during the 2015 Iglesia Ni Cristo expulsions, Gino Maningas, a INC district officer in Concord, California, claimed that "There is a hidden agenda, midwest (sic) just like Texas, is rich in oil and natural resources. It's being rented out for oil exploration." [11]
In April 2015, a Iglesia ni Cristo minister moved to the area and soon afterwards began holding services in Scenic for 10-15 congregants who live nearby.[12]0 -
kanotokapitolyo wrote: »baka ang ibig mong sabihin ay sa Scenic hihihihihihi
lalawak ang gawaing negosyo dun ni Kidlat
dahil sa langis
https://incfromtheedge.files.wordpress.com/2016/04/screen-shot-2016-04-26-at-12-17-541.png
from Wikipedia (source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scenic,_South_Dakota)
In August 2011, Filipino religion, Iglesia ni Cristo (Church of Christ) bought the property for nearly $800,000, Pennington County records show.[9][10] The church never disclosed why it acquired the property. In 2014 Daniel Simmons-Ritchie of the Rapid City Journal wrote that Iglesia ni Cristo "has done little with the town since its purchase."[4] Following his expulsion during the 2015 Iglesia Ni Cristo expulsions, Gino Maningas, a INC district officer in Concord, California, claimed that "There is a hidden agenda, midwest (sic) just like Texas, is rich in oil and natural resources. It's being rented out for oil exploration." [11]
In April 2015, a Iglesia ni Cristo minister moved to the area and soon afterwards began holding services in Scenic for 10-15 congregants who live nearby.[12]
Gusto talagang maging instant Billionaires ang mga miyembro ng INC Sanggunian. Siyempre sila lang ang maghahatian kung may langis nga0 -
kelangan pa mag-invest in INC ng kayamanan nila para ma-infiltrate nila and South Dakota.
gastos pa more
We are happy and proud to "gastos" more for the glory of God. Nakikita naman kung saan napupunta!
We have to spread the Good News of God's Kingdom to the whole world as commanded by God:Matthew 24:14
New International Version
And this gospel of the kingdom will be preached in the whole world as a testimony to all nations, and then the end will come.
I would be interested to know how you (your religion) are following this commandment of God!
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Nang tanungin siya ni Ka Joe kung nasaan ang ikatlong bahagi ng Trinidad nang mga panahong patay si Cristo. Incomplete ang Trinidad sa mga panahong ito. Kaya naman ang 3-in-1 ay hindi pa rin mapatunayan ng RCC.
Samantala meron namang nagsasabing IISA lang ang Diyos na pumapapel sa Ama, Anak at Espiritu Santo at ito ay si Cristo. E, paano yan, ang namatay ay si Cristo mismo na siyang Diyos nila na pumapel rin sa Ama at Espiritu Santo? So 3 araw na WALANG Diyos naman sa mga ito! At sinong bumuhay or nag-resurrect sa Kanya?
TSK TSK TSK!0 -
KidlatNgayon wrote: »Nang tanungin siya ni Ka Joe kung nasaan ang ikatlong bahagi ng Trinidad nang mga panahong patay si Cristo. Incomplete ang Trinidad sa mga panahong ito. Kaya naman ang 3-in-1 ay hindi pa rin mapatunayan ng RCC.
Samantala meron namang nagsasabing IISA lang ang Diyos na pumapapel sa Ama, Anak at Espiritu Santo at ito ay si Cristo. E, paano yan, ang namatay ay si Cristo mismo na siyang Diyos nila na pumapel rin sa Ama at Espiritu Santo? So 3 araw na WALANG Diyos naman sa mga ito! At sinong bumuhay or nag-resurrect sa Kanya?
TSK TSK TSK!
Napanood mo ba? Mukang hindi eh, ako napanood ko. Nagmukhang kumidyante si Joe ventilator.0 -
tiburcioSais wrote: »is this what I think it is?
April 23 2017 at 11:13 PM hoopdedoo (Login hoopdedoo)
ok my tagalog is not very good but I gather the statement below is trying to claim that doctor white is so amazed by the teachings he had never heard before that he is going to take the 26 lessons of INC? I call bull on that...
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Pagtapos po sa isinagawang padedebate ni Dr White at ni Ka Joe Ministro ng INC, ay nagpasyang magsusuri si Dr White sa mga aral na sinasampalatayanan ng IGLESIA NI CRISTO, Dahil nakita nya at nasaksihan nya na lahat ng aral na sinasampalatayanan ng INC ay pawang nakasulat sa Biblia.
Kaya kahit tapos na ang DEBATE patuloy parin sa pagtatanong si Dr.White kay Ka Joe dahil sa mga ngayon lang nya narinig ang mga ganitong Aral na sinasampalatayanan ng INC. Higit sa lahat napatunayan ni Dr.White na walang trinity sa Biblia at isa lamang ang DIOS na dapat makilala ng tao walang iba kundi ang Ama."
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Re: is this what I think it is?
April 24 2017, 12:10 AM
Dr James White commented on that in his Twitter account.
"I guess the INC is in damage control mode. Spreading the story that I am converting! Just incredible."
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This is what INC perfected the most:
April 24 2017, 1:21 AM
Assuming that certain individuals would like to join the cult. It's the same thing when they assumed Gabby Concepcion (a Filipino actor who protrayed EGM in the FYM movie) was about to join the INC just because he was seen listening to a minister.
From the eyes of many people, Dr. James White won the debate, and Joe Ventilacion should make sure the members would assume Dr. White would want to join them.
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Re: This is what INC perfected the most:
April 24 2017, 4:39 AM
Dr James White just posted this on FB -
A Quick Refutation of an Internet Lie
I was sent the attached graphic earlier today as I was going to preach on Philippians 2:5-11 at a local Southern Baptist Church here in Rapid City before returning home tomorrow to Phoenix. Here is the English translation that was provided to me:
"The proof that INC won the debate:
After the heated debate between Dr. James White and Joe Ventilacion of INC, Dr James White has made up his mind to study more on teachings and faith of the Iglesia ni Cristo. This is due to the fact that he has by himself witnessed that all the teachings of INC is plainly stated in the Bible.
No wonder that even if the debate was already over, James White, out of his curiosity, continues to ask questions to Joe Ventilacion, because it was his first time to hear these teachings from INC. Most importantly, Dr. White has concluded that there is no Trinity in the Bible and that there is only one God, the Father, which has to be known and worshipped by men."
The picture was taken by an INC member we had chatted with while waiting for Mr. Ventilacion to arrive for the 5pm Q&A session (which was very lightly attended). As I had other things to get to I went straight to JV and asked my question. If we need to, I can provide a full transcript and recording of the conversation. Here is what we discussed:
When I do debates, I attempt to accurately represent the other side by studying their primary source documents. Hence, when I debate Mormons, I have a very large LDS library from which to quote. Same with Jehovah's Witnesses. When I debate Islam, I quote from their primary source documents as well. And when someone wants to represent me fairly, they surely can do so, as my books are available for anyone to read, and the confessions of faith used by my church are public and readily available.
During our debate, JV said I was misrepresenting INC. But he also invited me to do a second debate (we discussed doing this in San Diego next year during this conversation). So I raised one main issue to him. There is a book I would like to obtain. It is titled Fundamental Beliefs of the Iglesia Ni Christo by Eranio G. Manalo. It is their primary ministerial text. And it is secret. They do not allow public distribution of it. And so I was asking for a copy, as that would be the only way to accurately represent INC's positions in a debate. I was told it was only for ministers, and that I would be provided with articles from magazines, but not with the official publication that defines their beliefs. I pointed out that this secretive stance is not only problematic for people who claim to be Christians, but it makes it next to impossible to fairly debate INC. But I was not given the book.
JV and I exchanged numbers and email addresses so we can have contact regarding the possibility of a debate in San Diego (where he is moving). I wrote to JV earlier today to ask him to comment on this falsehood being spread through the Internet, but I have not received a response from him.
Now, the fact is, whoever posted this lie is engaging in CLASSIC cultic behavior. Such a person shows not the slightest concern for truth and is willing to fabricate falsehoods for the service of a false religious system. This is the very essence of the cultic mind.
Once again, everything in the article is an utter fabrication, a lie, *and we possess full documentation of every word spoken in the exchange by which we can prove this.* Only a person who feels a very strong need to do damage control would produce such a dishonest post. And that says a great deal.
By the way, anyone with any information on how we might obtain a copy of the above mentioned book, please contact Alpha and Omega Ministries with that information. We are surely willing to pay for any copy of this work.
Thank you!
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John Snow
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Re: This is what INC perfected the most:
April 24 2017, 4:45 AM
That posting and pic by the INC member makes INC look REALLY bad and REALLY desperate.
Worse yet, Jose Ventilacion hasn't even responded to Dr White's email making one wonder if this was something planned by Ventilacion and INC members all along which of course would not surprise me. Ventilacion has to do anything and everything he can to be in Eddieboy's good graces.
Interesting that Ventilacion is being moved to Southern California. Isn't that and area where they have tons of problems?
And who else is going to make that Scenic, SD church grow? LOL I very highly doubt he got much interest from anyone not filipino to be interested in joining INC.
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And because of their false assumption, that post was already deleted.
April 24 2017, 7:16 PM
I am so embarrassed by what these fanatics are doing. Dr. White is correct, it is a cultic behavior, much like how they worship EVM as their god.
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Dr. White Responds....and has a request...
April 24 2017, 4:49 AM
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=1513705238654323&set=a.169920953032765.37390.100000445850213&type=3
For those that don't like to click:
James R. White
A Quick Refutation of an Internet Lie
I was sent the attached graphic earlier today as I was going to preach on Philippians 2:5-11 at a local Southern Baptist Church here in Rapid City before returning home tomorrow to Phoenix. Here is the English translation that was provided to me:
"The proof that INC won the debate:
After the heated debate between Dr. James White and Joe Ventilacion of INC, Dr James White has made up his mind to study more on teachings and faith of the Iglesia ni Cristo. This is due to the fact that he has by himself witnessed that all the teachings of INC is plainly stated in the Bible.
No wonder that even if the debate was already over, James White, out of his curiosity, continues to ask questions to Joe Ventilacion, because it was his first time to hear these teachings from INC. Most importantly, Dr. White has concluded that there is no Trinity in the Bible and that there is only one God, the Father, which has to be known and worshipped by men."
The picture was taken by an INC member we had chatted with while waiting for Mr. Ventilacion to arrive for the 5pm Q&A session (which was very lightly attended). As I had other things to get to I went straight to JV and asked my question. If we need to, I can provide a full transcript and recording of the conversation. Here is what we discussed:
When I do debates, I attempt to accurately represent the other side by studying their primary source documents. Hence, when I debate Mormons, I have a very large LDS library from which to quote. Same with Jehovah's Witnesses. When I debate Islam, I quote from their primary source documents as well. And when someone wants to represent me fairly, they surely can do so, as my books are available for anyone to read, and the confessions of faith used by my church are public and readily available.
During our debate, JV said I was misrepresenting INC. But he also invited me to do a second debate (we discussed doing this in San Diego next year during this conversation). So I raised one main issue to him. There is a book I would like to obtain. It is titled Fundamental Beliefs of the Iglesia Ni Christo by Eranio G. Manalo. It is their primary ministerial text. And it is secret. They do not allow public distribution of it. And so I was asking for a copy, as that would be the only way to accurately represent INC's positions in a debate. I was told it was only for ministers, and that I would be provided with articles from magazines, but not with the official publication that defines their beliefs. I pointed out that this secretive stance is not only problematic for people who claim to be Christians, but it makes it next to impossible to fairly debate INC. But I was not given the book.
JV and I exchanged numbers and email addresses so we can have contact regarding the possibility of a debate in San Diego (where he is moving). I wrote to JV earlier today to ask him to comment on this falsehood being spread through the Internet, but I have not received a response from him.
Now, the fact is, whoever posted this lie is engaging in CLASSIC cultic behavior. Such a person shows not the slightest concern for truth and is willing to fabricate falsehoods for the service of a false religious system. This is the very essence of the cultic mind.
Once again, everything in the article is an utter fabrication, a lie, *and we possess full documentation of every word spoken in the exchange by which we can prove this.* Only a person who feels a very strong need to do damage control would produce such a dishonest post. And that says a great deal.
By the way, anyone with any information on how we might obtain a copy of the above mentioned book, please contact Alpha and Omega Ministries with that information. We are surely willing to pay for any copy of this work.
Thank you!
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KidlatNgayon wrote: »Nang tanungin siya ni Ka Joe kung nasaan ang ikatlong bahagi ng Trinidad nang mga panahong patay si Cristo. Incomplete ang Trinidad sa mga panahong ito. Kaya naman ang 3-in-1 ay hindi pa rin mapatunayan ng RCC.
Samantala meron namang nagsasabing IISA lang ang Diyos na pumapapel sa Ama, Anak at Espiritu Santo at ito ay si Cristo. E, paano yan, ang namatay ay si Cristo mismo na siyang Diyos nila na pumapel rin sa Ama at Espiritu Santo? So 3 araw na WALANG Diyos naman sa mga ito! At sinong bumuhay or nag-resurrect sa Kanya?
TSK TSK TSK!tiburcioSais wrote: »is this what I think it is?
April 23 2017 at 11:13 PM hoopdedoo (Login hoopdedoo)
ok my tagalog is not very good but I gather the statement below is trying to claim that doctor white is so amazed by the teachings he had never heard before that he is going to take the 26 lessons of INC? I call bull on that...
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Pagtapos po sa isinagawang padedebate ni Dr White at ni Ka Joe Ministro ng INC, ay nagpasyang magsusuri si Dr White sa mga aral na sinasampalatayanan ng IGLESIA NI CRISTO, Dahil nakita nya at nasaksihan nya na lahat ng aral na sinasampalatayanan ng INC ay pawang nakasulat sa Biblia.
Kaya kahit tapos na ang DEBATE patuloy parin sa pagtatanong si Dr.White kay Ka Joe dahil sa mga ngayon lang nya narinig ang mga ganitong Aral na sinasampalatayanan ng INC. Higit sa lahat napatunayan ni Dr.White na walang trinity sa Biblia at isa lamang ang DIOS na dapat makilala ng tao walang iba kundi ang Ama."
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Re: is this what I think it is?
April 24 2017, 12:10 AM
Dr James White commented on that in his Twitter account.
"I guess the INC is in damage control mode. Spreading the story that I am converting! Just incredible."
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iamonewithGod
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This is what INC perfected the most:
April 24 2017, 1:21 AM
Assuming that certain individuals would like to join the cult. It's the same thing when they assumed Gabby Concepcion (a Filipino actor who protrayed EGM in the FYM movie) was about to join the INC just because he was seen listening to a minister.
From the eyes of many people, Dr. James White won the debate, and Joe Ventilacion should make sure the members would assume Dr. White would want to join them.
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John Snow
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Re: This is what INC perfected the most:
April 24 2017, 4:39 AM
Dr James White just posted this on FB -
A Quick Refutation of an Internet Lie
I was sent the attached graphic earlier today as I was going to preach on Philippians 2:5-11 at a local Southern Baptist Church here in Rapid City before returning home tomorrow to Phoenix. Here is the English translation that was provided to me:
"The proof that INC won the debate:
After the heated debate between Dr. James White and Joe Ventilacion of INC, Dr James White has made up his mind to study more on teachings and faith of the Iglesia ni Cristo. This is due to the fact that he has by himself witnessed that all the teachings of INC is plainly stated in the Bible.
No wonder that even if the debate was already over, James White, out of his curiosity, continues to ask questions to Joe Ventilacion, because it was his first time to hear these teachings from INC. Most importantly, Dr. White has concluded that there is no Trinity in the Bible and that there is only one God, the Father, which has to be known and worshipped by men."
The picture was taken by an INC member we had chatted with while waiting for Mr. Ventilacion to arrive for the 5pm Q&A session (which was very lightly attended). As I had other things to get to I went straight to JV and asked my question. If we need to, I can provide a full transcript and recording of the conversation. Here is what we discussed:
When I do debates, I attempt to accurately represent the other side by studying their primary source documents. Hence, when I debate Mormons, I have a very large LDS library from which to quote. Same with Jehovah's Witnesses. When I debate Islam, I quote from their primary source documents as well. And when someone wants to represent me fairly, they surely can do so, as my books are available for anyone to read, and the confessions of faith used by my church are public and readily available.
During our debate, JV said I was misrepresenting INC. But he also invited me to do a second debate (we discussed doing this in San Diego next year during this conversation). So I raised one main issue to him. There is a book I would like to obtain. It is titled Fundamental Beliefs of the Iglesia Ni Christo by Eranio G. Manalo. It is their primary ministerial text. And it is secret. They do not allow public distribution of it. And so I was asking for a copy, as that would be the only way to accurately represent INC's positions in a debate. I was told it was only for ministers, and that I would be provided with articles from magazines, but not with the official publication that defines their beliefs. I pointed out that this secretive stance is not only problematic for people who claim to be Christians, but it makes it next to impossible to fairly debate INC. But I was not given the book.
JV and I exchanged numbers and email addresses so we can have contact regarding the possibility of a debate in San Diego (where he is moving). I wrote to JV earlier today to ask him to comment on this falsehood being spread through the Internet, but I have not received a response from him.
Now, the fact is, whoever posted this lie is engaging in CLASSIC cultic behavior. Such a person shows not the slightest concern for truth and is willing to fabricate falsehoods for the service of a false religious system. This is the very essence of the cultic mind.
Once again, everything in the article is an utter fabrication, a lie, *and we possess full documentation of every word spoken in the exchange by which we can prove this.* Only a person who feels a very strong need to do damage control would produce such a dishonest post. And that says a great deal.
By the way, anyone with any information on how we might obtain a copy of the above mentioned book, please contact Alpha and Omega Ministries with that information. We are surely willing to pay for any copy of this work.
Thank you!
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John Snow
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Re: This is what INC perfected the most:
April 24 2017, 4:45 AM
That posting and pic by the INC member makes INC look REALLY bad and REALLY desperate.
Worse yet, Jose Ventilacion hasn't even responded to Dr White's email making one wonder if this was something planned by Ventilacion and INC members all along which of course would not surprise me. Ventilacion has to do anything and everything he can to be in Eddieboy's good graces.
Interesting that Ventilacion is being moved to Southern California. Isn't that and area where they have tons of problems?
And who else is going to make that Scenic, SD church grow? LOL I very highly doubt he got much interest from anyone not filipino to be interested in joining INC.
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And because of their false assumption, that post was already deleted.
April 24 2017, 7:16 PM
I am so embarrassed by what these fanatics are doing. Dr. White is correct, it is a cultic behavior, much like how they worship EVM as their god.
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Dr. White Responds....and has a request...
April 24 2017, 4:49 AM
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=1513705238654323&set=a.169920953032765.37390.100000445850213&type=3
For those that don't like to click:
James R. White
A Quick Refutation of an Internet Lie
I was sent the attached graphic earlier today as I was going to preach on Philippians 2:5-11 at a local Southern Baptist Church here in Rapid City before returning home tomorrow to Phoenix. Here is the English translation that was provided to me:
"The proof that INC won the debate:
After the heated debate between Dr. James White and Joe Ventilacion of INC, Dr James White has made up his mind to study more on teachings and faith of the Iglesia ni Cristo. This is due to the fact that he has by himself witnessed that all the teachings of INC is plainly stated in the Bible.
No wonder that even if the debate was already over, James White, out of his curiosity, continues to ask questions to Joe Ventilacion, because it was his first time to hear these teachings from INC. Most importantly, Dr. White has concluded that there is no Trinity in the Bible and that there is only one God, the Father, which has to be known and worshipped by men."
The picture was taken by an INC member we had chatted with while waiting for Mr. Ventilacion to arrive for the 5pm Q&A session (which was very lightly attended). As I had other things to get to I went straight to JV and asked my question. If we need to, I can provide a full transcript and recording of the conversation. Here is what we discussed:
When I do debates, I attempt to accurately represent the other side by studying their primary source documents. Hence, when I debate Mormons, I have a very large LDS library from which to quote. Same with Jehovah's Witnesses. When I debate Islam, I quote from their primary source documents as well. And when someone wants to represent me fairly, they surely can do so, as my books are available for anyone to read, and the confessions of faith used by my church are public and readily available.
During our debate, JV said I was misrepresenting INC. But he also invited me to do a second debate (we discussed doing this in San Diego next year during this conversation). So I raised one main issue to him. There is a book I would like to obtain. It is titled Fundamental Beliefs of the Iglesia Ni Christo by Eranio G. Manalo. It is their primary ministerial text. And it is secret. They do not allow public distribution of it. And so I was asking for a copy, as that would be the only way to accurately represent INC's positions in a debate. I was told it was only for ministers, and that I would be provided with articles from magazines, but not with the official publication that defines their beliefs. I pointed out that this secretive stance is not only problematic for people who claim to be Christians, but it makes it next to impossible to fairly debate INC. But I was not given the book.
JV and I exchanged numbers and email addresses so we can have contact regarding the possibility of a debate in San Diego (where he is moving). I wrote to JV earlier today to ask him to comment on this falsehood being spread through the Internet, but I have not received a response from him.
Now, the fact is, whoever posted this lie is engaging in CLASSIC cultic behavior. Such a person shows not the slightest concern for truth and is willing to fabricate falsehoods for the service of a false religious system. This is the very essence of the cultic mind.
Once again, everything in the article is an utter fabrication, a lie, *and we possess full documentation of every word spoken in the exchange by which we can prove this.* Only a person who feels a very strong need to do damage control would produce such a dishonest post. And that says a great deal.
By the way, anyone with any information on how we might obtain a copy of the above mentioned book, please contact Alpha and Omega Ministries with that information. We are surely willing to pay for any copy of this work.
Thank you!0
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