Who killed Jesus?

sophion

Who killed Jeeeezus? Here's a clue:




So what about the verse which said: "His blood be on us and on our children". Thats just a christian corruption of the scriptures, shifting the blame towards the unpopular jews, so that it would be easier for christians to sell chritianity in Rome.

C'mon if Pilate actually believed that Jeeezus was harmless and innocent of any crimes then as a responsible governor he would have freed Jeeezus no matter how much the crowd demanded for his death.



So those who blame the Jews for killing Jeeezus heto masasabi ko sa inyo: MGA *****!

***** talaga kayo eh si jeeezus mismo mo jew kasama nang lahat mga unang mga supporters niya. tapos sisisihin nyo lahi nila. *****!

sophion

Pilate's reluctance to execute Jesus in the gospels has been seen by Anchor Bible Dictionary and critical scholars as reflecting the authors' agenda.[30][31] It has thus been argued that gospel accounts place the blame on the Jews, not on Rome, in line with the authors' alleged goal of making peace with the Roman Empire and vilifying the Jews.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pontius_Pilate#Responsibility_for_Jesus.27_death


see what kind of man Pontius Pilate was:

In chronicling the history of the Roman administrators in Judaea, ancient Jewish writers Philo and Josephus describe some of the other events and incidents that took place during Pilate's tenure. Both report that Pilate repeatedly caused near-insurrections among the Jews because of his insensitivity to Jewish customs.

Josephus notes that while Pilate's predecessors had respected Jewish customs by removing all images and effigies on their standards when entering Jerusalem, Pilate allowed his soldiers to bring them into the city at night. When the citizens of Jerusalem discovered these the following day, they appealed to Pilate to remove the ensigns of Caesar from the city. After five days of deliberation, Pilate had his soldiers surround the demonstrators, threatening them with death, which they were willing to accept rather than submit to desecration of Mosaic law. Pilate finally removed the images.[32][33]

Philo describes a later, similar incident in which Pilate was chastened by Emperor Tiberius after antagonizing the Jews by setting up gold-coated shields in Herod's Palace in Jerusalem. The shields were ostensibly to honor Tiberius, and this time did not contain engraved images. Philo writes that the shields were set up "not so much to honour Tiberius as to annoy the multitude". The Jews protested the installation of the shields at first to Pilate, and then, when he declined to remove them, by writing to Tiberius. Philo reports that upon reading the letters, Tiberius "wrote to Pilate with a host of reproaches and rebukes for his audacious violation of precedent and bade him at once take down the shields and have them transferred from the capital to Caesarea."[34]

Josephus recounts another incident in which Pilate spent money from the Temple to build an aqueduct. Pilate had soldiers hidden in the crowd of Jews while addressing them and, when Jews again protested his actions he gave the signal for his soldiers to randomly attack, beat and kill – in an attempt to silence Jewish petitions.[35]

In describing Pilate's personality, Philo writes in the 1st century that Pilate had "vindictiveness and furious temper", and was "naturally inflexible, a blend of self-will and relentlessness". Referring to Pilate's governance, Philo further describes "his corruption, and his acts of insolence, and his rapine, and his habit of insulting people, and his cruelty, and his continual murders of people untried and uncondemned, and his never ending, and gratuitous, and most grievous inhumanity".[34][36]

Pilate's term as prefect of Judaea ended after an incident recounted by Josephus. A large group of Samaritans had been persuaded by an unnamed man to go to Mount Gerizim in order to see sacred artifacts allegedly buried by Moses. But at a village named Tirathana, before the crowd could ascend the mountain, Pilate sent in "a detachment of cavalry and heavy-armed infantry, who in an encounter with the firstcomers in the village slew some in a pitched battle and put the others to flight. Many prisoners were taken, of whom Pilate put to death the principal leaders and those who were most influential."[37] The Samaritans then complained to Vitellius, Roman governor of Syria, who sent Pilate to Rome to explain his actions regarding this incident to Tiberius. However, by the time Pilate got to Rome, Tiberius had died.[38]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pontius_Pilate#Jewish_literature:_Philo_and_Josephus



so according to historical records Pilate was a cruel man who hated the jews. in total contradiction to gospel accounts that he respected the jews and gives them what they want.

rambler

Nobody killed Jesus. John 10:18 is clear - He laid down His life of his own accord.

He also decided when His last breath was gonna be. After He had suffered enough, thereby satisfying God's requirement for justice, He "gave up the ghost". (Luke 23:46)

rambler

Now, perhaps a more precise question should be: Who crucified Jesus?

The answer is all of us. Jews, gentiles, you, me, all of us sinners.

Isaiah 53:5 says that He was "pierced for our transgressions."

Ateo

rambler wrote: »

Nobody killed Jesus. John 10:18 is clear - He laid down His life of his own accord.

He also decided when His last breath was gonna be. After He had suffered enough, thereby satisfying God's requirement for justice, He "gave up the ghost". (Luke 23:46)

It was a suicide mission!

Ateo

The Bible's Gospels were written as an anti-Jewish book. It is not jist that particular verse that Sophion cited. Look at the name of the traitor, for example. Judas is simply another for of Judah, the name of the patriarch and the nation itself!

Then there was Jesus' long tirades against Jewish authorities while he never had anything bad tonsay against the occupying Romans. Give unto Caesar what is due to Caeasar, at that time when Jews was under the severe yoke of the Roman Empire. A true messiah was supposedto free Israel from Rome.

The Bible denigrated Herod as a baby killer. That crime is nowhere found in Roman records. In fact, Herod was known as Herod the Great by its grateful subjects.

There are many proofs that the Gospels was written to be anti-Jews. It was written, not in the language of Jews, but in the language of the invading culture - Greco-Roman. No surprise, my theologically-illiterate grandma calls any bad person as "Judeo".

ach_choo

Another Jewish apologist. Well if the Jews are blameless, how come Jesus was killed when the Roman Governor decided to wash his hands clean? So who decided to kill him then?

Ateo

ach_choo wrote: »

Another Jewish apologist. Well if the Jews are blameless, how come Jesus was killed when the Roman Governor decided to wash his hands clean? So who decided to kill him then?

Historians say there is no focking way Rome will give the decision to a colonized people. The story was given an anti-Jewish twist.

sophion

ach_choo wrote: »

Another Jewish apologist. Well if the Jews are blameless, how come Jesus was killed when the Roman Governor decided to wash his hands clean? So who decided to kill him then?

washing of hands was just a christian fabrication. historical records show that Pilate did not have that kind of personality. he was cruel and loved killing jews and anyone who challenged his authority....someone like jeeeezus.

sophion

rambler wrote: »

Now, perhaps a more precise question should be: Who crucified Jesus?

The answer is all of us. Jews, gentiles, you, me, all of us sinners.

Isaiah 53:5 says that He was "pierced for our transgressions."

bwiset ka huwag mo akong idamay dyan! i would never do that to sweet jeeeezus!

Ferdinand

sophion wrote: »

Pilate's reluctance to execute Jesus in the gospels has been seen by Anchor Bible Dictionary and critical scholars as reflecting the authors' agenda.[30][31] It has thus been argued that gospel accounts place the blame on the Jews, not on Rome, in line with the authors' alleged goal of making peace with the Roman Empire and vilifying the Jews.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pontius_Pilate#Responsibility_for_Jesus.27_death


see what kind of man Pontius Pilate was:

In chronicling the history of the Roman administrators in Judaea, ancient Jewish writers Philo and Josephus describe some of the other events and incidents that took place during Pilate's tenure. Both report that Pilate repeatedly caused near-insurrections among the Jews because of his insensitivity to Jewish customs.

Josephus notes that while Pilate's predecessors had respected Jewish customs by removing all images and effigies on their standards when entering Jerusalem, Pilate allowed his soldiers to bring them into the city at night. When the citizens of Jerusalem discovered these the following day, they appealed to Pilate to remove the ensigns of Caesar from the city. After five days of deliberation, Pilate had his soldiers surround the demonstrators, threatening them with death, which they were willing to accept rather than submit to desecration of Mosaic law. Pilate finally removed the images.[32][33]

Philo describes a later, similar incident in which Pilate was chastened by Emperor Tiberius after antagonizing the Jews by setting up gold-coated shields in Herod's Palace in Jerusalem. The shields were ostensibly to honor Tiberius, and this time did not contain engraved images. Philo writes that the shields were set up "not so much to honour Tiberius as to annoy the multitude". The Jews protested the installation of the shields at first to Pilate, and then, when he declined to remove them, by writing to Tiberius. Philo reports that upon reading the letters, Tiberius "wrote to Pilate with a host of reproaches and rebukes for his audacious violation of precedent and bade him at once take down the shields and have them transferred from the capital to Caesarea."[34]

Josephus recounts another incident in which Pilate spent money from the Temple to build an aqueduct. Pilate had soldiers hidden in the crowd of Jews while addressing them and, when Jews again protested his actions he gave the signal for his soldiers to randomly attack, beat and kill – in an attempt to silence Jewish petitions.[35]

In describing Pilate's personality, Philo writes in the 1st century that Pilate had "vindictiveness and furious temper", and was "naturally inflexible, a blend of self-will and relentlessness". Referring to Pilate's governance, Philo further describes "his corruption, and his acts of insolence, and his rapine, and his habit of insulting people, and his cruelty, and his continual murders of people untried and uncondemned, and his never ending, and gratuitous, and most grievous inhumanity".[34][36]

Pilate's term as prefect of Judaea ended after an incident recounted by Josephus. A large group of Samaritans had been persuaded by an unnamed man to go to Mount Gerizim in order to see sacred artifacts allegedly buried by Moses. But at a village named Tirathana, before the crowd could ascend the mountain, Pilate sent in "a detachment of cavalry and heavy-armed infantry, who in an encounter with the firstcomers in the village slew some in a pitched battle and put the others to flight. Many prisoners were taken, of whom Pilate put to death the principal leaders and those who were most influential."[37] The Samaritans then complained to Vitellius, Roman governor of Syria, who sent Pilate to Rome to explain his actions regarding this incident to Tiberius. However, by the time Pilate got to Rome, Tiberius had died.[38]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pontius_Pilate#Jewish_literature:_Philo_and_Josephus



so according to historical records Pilate was a cruel man who hated the jews. in total contradiction to gospel accounts that he respected the jews and gives them what they want.

Ibinigay na ang sagot sa site na ginamit mo. Galit nga siguro si Pilate sa mga Jewish Senhadrin, Gusto ng Senhadrin na patayin si Jesus kaya sinampahan siya ng kasong blasphemy. Tumanggi si Pilate na ipapatay si Jesus kasi iyon ang gusto ng Senhadrin . Ayaw niyang bigyan ng satisfaction ang mga Hudyo, kaso tinakot ng mga Hudyo si Pilate na isusumbong siya kay Caesar.

Pilate was put on notice already for aggravating the Jews and if a riot ensued on the Feast of Passover, when the population reaches almost 2.5 Mil, it is most likely that a full war between the Jews and the Romans is inevitable. The Jewish authorities knew how to play Pilate in this case. They said that they have no king other than Caesar. Anyone who claims to be the messiah king is killed along with his followers. Josephus recorded how the Roman authorities slaughtered some of those who claimed to be the messiah and their followers. The reason is obvious, Pilate doesn’t want any uprisings and challenge to the authority of the Roman Empire specially when they are 100X outnumbered and obviously he doesn’t want to be blamed for this, kaya pinagbigyan na lang niya ang Jewish authorities na ipako si Jesus.

Ferdinand

Ateo wrote: »

The Bible's Gospels were written as an anti-Jewish book. It is not jist that particular verse that Sophion cited. Look at the name of the traitor, for example. Judas is simply another for of Judah, the name of the patriarch and the nation itself!

Then there was Jesus' long tirades against Jewish authorities while he never had anything bad tonsay against the occupying Romans. Give unto Caesar what is due to Caeasar, at that time when Jews was under the severe yoke of the Roman Empire. A true messiah was supposedto free Israel from Rome.

The Bible denigrated Herod as a baby killer. That crime is nowhere found in Roman records. In fact, Herod was known as Herod the Great by its grateful subjects.

There are many proofs that the Gospels was written to be anti-Jews. It was written, not in the language of Jews, but in the language of the invading culture - Greco-Roman. No surprise, my theologically-illiterate grandma calls any bad person as "Judeo".

This is why you have to know the covenant lawsuit. Prophets are sent from God to remind the people of their covenant oath. Whenever they violate the covenant they swore prophets are sent laying out the covenant lawsuit. Rome at that time is not in covenant with Yahweh. In the time of Jonah, God wanted Syria to be converted, in the time of Jesus, God wanted Rome converted. Jesus is the new Jonah, Rome is the New Syria and Jerusalem is Jerusalem who is being served a covenant lawsuit.

As for Herod, the Great, He was an usurper, who laid claim to the Davidic Throne. He’s a beast, an agent of the Devil.

Ateo wrote: »

Historians say there is no focking way Rome will give the decision to a colonized people. The story was given an anti-Jewish twist.

Those historiians are from the fringe group Jesus Seminar who viewed almost everything that is against the Jews to be an addition.

KidlatNgayon

According to Apostle Peter himself, a certified Jew:

Acts 2:22 “Fellow Israelites, listen to this: Jesus of Nazareth was a man accredited by God to you by miracles, wonders and signs, which God did among you through him, as you yourselves know. 23 This man was handed over to you by God’s deliberate plan and foreknowledge; and you, with the help of wicked men, put him to death by nailing him to the cross. (NIV)

^ According to Apostle Peter, the "wicked men" (or Romans) just helped the Jews kill Christ.

Matthew 20:8 “Look, we are going up to Jerusalem, and the Son of Man will be betrayed to the chief priests and scribes. They will condemn Him to death 19 and will deliver Him to the Gentiles to be mocked and flogged and crucified. And on the third day He will be raised to life.”

1 Thessalonians 2:14 For you, brothers, became imitators of the churches of God in Judea that are in Christ Jesus. You suffered from your own countrymen the very things they suffered from the Jews, 15 who killed both the Lord Jesus and their own prophets, and drove us out as well. They are displeasing to God and hostile to all men, 16 hindering us from telling the Gentiles how they may be saved. As a result, they continue to heap up their sins to full capacity; the utmost wrath has come upon them.…

Mark 15:14 “Why?” asked Pilate. “What has He done wrong?” But they shouted all the louder, “Crucify Him!” 15 And wishing to satisfy the crowd, Pilate released Barabbas to them. But he had Jesus flogged, and handed Him over to be crucified.

Confirmed:

John 19:15 At this, they shouted, “Away with Him! Away with Him! Crucify Him!” “Shall I crucify your King?” Pilate asked. “We have no king but Caesar,” replied the chief priests. 16 Then Pilate handed Jesus over to be crucified, and the soldiers took Him away. 17 Carrying His own cross, He went out to The Place of the Skull, which in Aramaic is called Golgotha.…

There are many more bible verses testifying about Jesus' death as demanded by His co-Jews.

I am speaking only of the Jews who requested Christ's death during that time. As we know anyways that the Jews, since then and until today, do not accept that Christ is the Messiah. However, I am not one to judge them. I merely posted biblical facts!

twirkilaykdalinay

http://http://paradoxoftheday.com/kenyan-lawyer-sues-israel-for-killing-jesus/

sophion

KidlatNgayon wrote: »

According to Apostle Peter himself, a certified Jew:

Acts 2:22 “Fellow Israelites, listen to this: Jesus of Nazareth was a man accredited by God to you by miracles, wonders and signs, which God did among you through him, as you yourselves know. 23 This man was handed over to you by God’s deliberate plan and foreknowledge; and you, with the help of wicked men, put him to death by nailing him to the cross. (NIV)

^ According to Apostle Peter, the "wicked men" (or Romans) just helped the Jews kill Christ.

nilahat ba ni Peter ang buong nation of israel? o iyung mga kausap lang niya ang sinisi niya?

KidlatNgayon

sophion wrote: »

nilahat ba ni Peter ang buong nation of israel? o iyung mga kausap lang niya ang sinisi niya?

E di siempre, yung mga kausap niya dahil yung mga yon ay talagang nandun din crucifixion ni Cristo, pero ito pa ang sinabi ni Apostol Pedro:

Ituloy natin ang mga sitas:

Acts 2:36 Therefore let all Israel know with certainty that God has made this Jesus, whom you crucified, both Lord and Christ!” 37 When the people heard this, they were cut to the heart and asked Peter and the other apostles, “Brothers, what shall we do?” 38 Peter replied, “Repent and be baptized, every one of you, in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins, and you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.…

Ipinapaalam niya sa buong bayan ng Israel na si Jesus na nga ang Panginoon at Messiah. Pero siempre, alam naman nating ang mga Hudyo na naging Cristiano lang ang tumanggap nito at ang mga Hudyo na hindi tumatanggap nito hanggang sa panahong ngayon ay hindi pa rin kumikilala kay Cristo bilang Messiah.

Jagon

you guys are so messed up, Christ has already risen! bakit pinuprublema niyo pa kung sino pumatay? importante pa ba yun?

ach_choo

Resolved! Jews had Jesus killed. The Romans just drove the nails.

sophion

Jagon wrote: »

you guys are so messed up, Christ has already risen! bakit pinuprublema niyo pa kung sino pumatay? importante pa ba yun?

part of the reason christians murdered 6 million jews is their hatred for them for allegedly killing jeeezus.

sophion

KidlatNgayon wrote: »

E di siempre, yung mga kausap niya dahil yung mga yon ay talagang nandun din crucifixion ni Cristo, pero ito pa ang sinabi ni Apostol Pedro:

so bakit mo nilalahat? next time be specific, just say "SOME jews killed jesus", instead of "jews killed jesus".

KidlatNgayon

sophion wrote: »

so bakit mo nilalahat? next time be specific, just say "SOME jews killed jesus", instead of "jews killed jesus".

Hindi ko nilalahat. Ang totoo nyan, ang mga Jewish religious leaders ang may pakana ng pagpapapatay kay Cristo, so kung iisipin mo, ang "lahat ng Jews". Bakit ano bang ibig sabihin ng "Jew"?

Jew
jo͞o/
noun
noun: Jew; plural noun: Jews
1. a member of the people and cultural community whose traditional religion is Judaism and who trace their origins through the ancient Hebrew people of Israel to Abraham.

The leaders represented the whole religious group!