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Josephus was the secret author of the Gospels

AteoAteo Non est Deus. Fac cum eo. PEx Influencer ⭐⭐⭐
Have you heard about this theory?

Don't you wonder why, despite the fact that the NT started as an oral tradition among Hebrew and Aramaic-speaking simple Jews, the NT was written in Koine Greek?

Don't you wonder why, despite the rebellious nature of messianic Jews at that time as described in the Dead Sea Scrolls, the Jesus story depicted the Romans as relatively good while heaping all the bad things on the Jews - from the high priests, to the Pharisees, to scribes, to treacherous Judas, to lynching mobs? The NT is almost an anti-Jewish story. In fact Christians had used that story to persecute the Jews throughout history.

The real answers and many more are in a new theory that says that Josephus was among the secret authors of the Gospel.

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  • AteoAteo Non est Deus. Fac cum eo. PEx Influencer ⭐⭐⭐
    Why is it that despite the fact that Christianity is suposed to be an offshoot of Judaism, all the rituals and practices of Catholicism emanated from imperial rites, structure and titles?

    Why is it that the first saints of Christianity - Flavia Domitilla, Pope St Clement I, St Nereus, etc. were all Roman elites from one specific imperial household?
  • AteoAteo Non est Deus. Fac cum eo. PEx Influencer ⭐⭐⭐
    "the New Testament and the histories of Josephus each imply that the Messiah was not this nationalist leader who had been foreseen, but rather a pacifist who encouraged cooperation with Rome. For example, consider Jesus’ instruction in Matthew 5: 41: “when anyone conscripts you for one mile, go along two.” Roman military law permitted its soldiers to conscript, which is to demand that civilians carry their 65-pound packs for a length of one mile. Roman roads had mile markers (milestones), so that there would be no dispute over whether or not this requirement had been met. Why would the Messiah foreseen by Judaism’s xenophobic world-ruler prophecies urge Jews to “go the extra mile” for the Roman army?"
  • TrollmeisterTrollmeister B?nned for trolling PEX PEx Veteran ⭐⭐
    Mali yan, kasi ako ang Secret Author of the Gospels! Tanong mo man kay Nostradamoos
  • FerdinandFerdinand Member PExer
    Ateo wrote: »
    Have you heard about this theory?
    Yes, a while ago.

    Ateo wrote: »
    Don't you wonder why, despite the fact that the NT started as an oral tradition among Hebrew and Aramaic-speaking simple Jews, the NT was written in Koine Greek?
    No. The simple fact that Koine Greek is one of the common languages of the Roman Empire makes it natural to use that language. Also the apostles were to spread the Gospel trough out the whole world and since Greek is one of the common languages of the time, it only make sense to use it for spreading the Gospel.

    Ateo wrote: »
    Don't you wonder why, despite the rebellious nature of messianic Jews at that time as described in the Dead Sea Scrolls, the Jesus story depicted the Romans as relatively good while heaping all the bad things on the Jews - from the high priests, to the Pharisees, to scribes, to treacherous Judas, to lynching mobs?
    Well there are different views of the messiah at that time. You have the supernatural messiah, the political messiah, the kingly messiah, the meek messiah and so on.

    If you are familiar with the story of Jonah then you will understand that the apostles did not seek the destruction of Rome but its conversion to Christianity. While Judaism is being warned numerous time, the big Brother of Christianity to repent or suffer the consequence of the covenant curses.

    Ateo wrote: »
    The NT is almost an anti-Jewish story. In fact Christians had used that story to persecute the Jews throughout history.
    Well this is a family dispute, it is not anti Semitism as some people would like it to be. The early Christians were Jews. Though I do not approved of the persecution of the Jews when the Christian became the majority, it was Judaism who first persecuted Christianity. Nero and the Roman Empire only turned their attention against Christianity in 64 AD and a lot of Historians now believed it is because of Poppea Sabina, Nero's Jewish wife and friend of Josephus.

    Ateo wrote: »
    The real answers and many more are in a new theory that says that Josephus was among the secret authors of the Gospel.
    No, you are just aconspiracy lover and you love stirring the pot.
  • AteoAteo Non est Deus. Fac cum eo. PEx Influencer ⭐⭐⭐
    Think about it. Protestants continually say that Catholicism is nothing but the refurbished Imperial cult in Rome - from Pontifex Maximus to the Curia. It never looked similar to the Judaic ritual or structure.

    It turns out that they are correct. But only partially. Catholicism is indeed pagan Roman not because it was compromised but because it was invented as such. Christianity -- like all world's religions -- was invented. This one was invented by a ruling family of Rome.
  • AteoAteo Non est Deus. Fac cum eo. PEx Influencer ⭐⭐⭐
    Just as Michangelo left his hidden signature in his art, the author of the Gospels left his hidden signature in them. His name was Josephus Bar Matthias, which was slightly modified to Joseph of Arimathea.

    Most people don't call Josephus by his original name. He wrote his books under the name of Flavius Josephus. This no.1 turncoat betrayed his country and became an adopted member of the Flavian imperial household.
  • KidlatNgayonKidlatNgayon Member PEx Influencer ⭐⭐⭐
    Ateo wrote: »
    Why is it that despite the fact that Christianity is suposed to be an offshoot of Judaism, all the rituals and practices of Catholicism emanated from imperial rites, structure and titles?

    Why is it that the first saints of Christianity - Flavia Domitilla, Pope St Clement I, St Nereus, etc. were all Roman elites from one specific imperial household?

    Because there was apostasy. The early church became the RCC because they were empowered by Emperor Constantine (who was a pagan) and from the Nicean Council, paganism married with "christianity" to become the RCC. RCC is the mother religion, all the others were her offsprings EXCEPT for INC who was re-established through God's last messenger and is now continuing the pristine teachings of the Lord Jesus Christ.
  • KidlatNgayonKidlatNgayon Member PEx Influencer ⭐⭐⭐
    Ateo wrote: »
    Have you heard about this theory?

    Don't you wonder why, despite the fact that the NT started as an oral tradition among Hebrew and Aramaic-speaking simple Jews, the NT was written in Koine Greek?

    Don't you wonder why, despite the rebellious nature of messianic Jews at that time as described in the Dead Sea Scrolls, the Jesus story depicted the Romans as relatively good while heaping all the bad things on the Jews - from the high priests, to the Pharisees, to scribes, to treacherous Judas, to lynching mobs? The NT is almost an anti-Jewish story. In fact Christians had used that story to persecute the Jews throughout history.

    The real answers and many more are in a new theory that says that Josephus was among the secret authors of the Gospel.

    Josephus wrote his own book, he was not one of the God-inspired writers. The bible was already completed when he began writing because he did not agree (due to his limited understanding) with what was written that in his mind depicted God as "wicked".
  • AteoAteo Non est Deus. Fac cum eo. PEx Influencer ⭐⭐⭐
    "Render unto Caesar what is due to Caesar..."

    Really? This verse was used and abused by all moarchs and rulers throughout history. It was originally written of course to benefit Caesar (the Flavians). Judea was in rebellion at that time, so why would a Messiah say such a masochistic, treacherous thought?
  • AteoAteo Non est Deus. Fac cum eo. PEx Influencer ⭐⭐⭐
    One day I told my grandma that Jesus was "Judeo". She was shocked. She used to call any villain as judeo and Jesus could not be judeo. But she is not unique. Most pinoys who read the Bible would not realize that Jesus was judeo. It seems that the Jews were placed in very bad light in the Gospels while they are very symapthetic to the Romans. Curious!
  • HermesTrismegistusHermesTrismegistus III PEx Veteran ⭐⭐
    the new testament was written by ancient filipino immigrants to israel who were assimilated with the culture and well versed in koine greek.

    remember, the Jews had ships going to Ophir, which is a land in the Far East, most likely the Philippines. So there were Filipinos in Ancient Israel.

    that's the untold story.

    the jesus story was really a filipino invention.

    proud to be pinoy.
  • FerdinandFerdinand Member PExer
    Ateo wrote: »
    Why is it that despite the fact that Christianity is suposed to be an offshoot of Judaism, all the rituals and practices of Catholicism emanated from imperial rites, structure and titles?

    Why is it that the first saints of Christianity - Flavia Domitilla, Pope St Clement I, St Nereus, etc. were all Roman elites from one specific imperial household?
    Actually most practices came from Judaism. The menorrah, the last supper based on the Passover rituals, the unleavened bread, the forgiveness of sins, the structure of the temple, the tabernacle, the bread of presence, the ministerial priests, the 7 feasts, the garments of the priests, the altar, the structure of the mass, the Todah sacrifice, the Tamid prayer, the hourly prayer and so on. Most if not all of these cannot be found in Judaism or Protestantism of evangelicals.
  • FerdinandFerdinand Member PExer
    Ateo wrote: »
    "the New Testament and the histories of Josephus each imply that the Messiah was not this nationalist leader who had been foreseen, but rather a pacifist who encouraged cooperation with Rome. For example, consider Jesus’ instruction in Matthew 5: 41: “when anyone conscripts you for one mile, go along two.” Roman military law permitted its soldiers to conscript, which is to demand that civilians carry their 65-pound packs for a length of one mile. Roman roads had mile markers (milestones), so that there would be no dispute over whether or not this requirement had been met. Why would the Messiah foreseen by Judaism’s xenophobic world-ruler prophecies urge Jews to “go the extra mile” for the Roman army?"
    Again, there were numerous ideas in Ancient Judaism what and who the messiah will be. God wanted Assyria converted, the Jews of Jonah's time wanted Assyria destroyed, even Jonah wanted Assyria destroyed, but that is not the plan of God. The same thing with the Christians of Jesus' days. He told Peter in Matthew 16 that he is the Son of Jonah, basically telling Peter that He's job as Jonah's son is to convert the Roman Empire. Christianity never wanted to destroy Rome, but the Jews did.
  • FerdinandFerdinand Member PExer
    Ateo wrote: »
    Think about it. Protestants continually say that Catholicism is nothing but the refurbished Imperial cult in Rome - from Pontifex Maximus to the Curia. It never looked similar to the Judaic ritual or structure.

    It turns out that they are correct. But only partially. Catholicism is indeed pagan Roman not because it was compromised but because it was invented as such. Christianity -- like all world's religions -- was invented. This one was invented by a ruling family of Rome.
    Rabbi Jacob Neusner was a Jewish scholar, and even he saw the structure of the Catholic Church like that of the BIBLICAL Judaism. Read the Book of Alfred Edersheim, the Temple and Its Ministries and you will find that Catholic Church clearly resembles the practices and rituals of structure of the the Jewish Temple. So this talk of invention is nothing new, it's been debunked a long time ago.
  • KidlatNgayonKidlatNgayon Member PEx Influencer ⭐⭐⭐
    Ateo wrote: »
    "Render unto Caesar what is due to Caesar..."

    Really? This verse was used and abused by all moarchs and rulers throughout history. It was originally written of course to benefit Caesar (the Flavians). Judea was in rebellion at that time, so why would a Messiah say such a masochistic, treacherous thought?

    Romans 13:1-6
    Easy-to-Read Version (ERV)

    Obey Your Government Rulers

    13:1 All of you must obey the government rulers. Everyone who rules was given the power to rule by God. And all those who rule now were given that power by God. 2 So anyone who is against the government is really against something God has commanded. Those who are against the government bring punishment on themselves. 3 People who do right don’t have to fear the rulers. But those who do wrong must fear them. Do you want to be free from fearing them? Then do only what is right, and they will praise you.

    4 Rulers are God’s servants to help you. But if you do wrong, you have reason to be afraid. They have the power to punish, and they will use it. They are God’s servants to punish those who do wrong. 5 So you must obey the government, not just because you might be punished, but because you know it is the right thing to do.

    6 And this is why you pay taxes too. Those rulers are working for God, and they give all their time to the work of ruling. 7 Give everyone what you owe them. If you owe them any kind of tax, then pay it. Show respect to those you should respect. And show honor to those you should honor.
  • JagonJagon Don't listen to me PEx Influencer ⭐⭐⭐
    though it is possible that our Bible today could have been influenced by the Romans, we don't have reason to believe that it is specifically Josephus who did it.

    if he did write the gospels then these books should be a big deal to him, why then would he not promote them and Jesus in his other works extensively?

    Common sense also dictates that it is unlikely that you write 4 books with the same story in different versions, that's just stupid.
  • Generally, reading and interpreting what uv read is very subjective.

    If you are seeing that Jews were put in the bad light in the bible, for me I see it in this way:

    - In a family logic, Jews were the first born (compare with the Christians). A family, since they were both referring to the same GOD.

    - Being the first born also means the first to receive everything. And might also means a greater responsibility.

    - I don't know if any of you will agree with me, but once you have experienced receiving that divine privilege & wisdom from God, you will develop this kind of senses of being responsible and accountable for every actions and teachings that you will share esp. if related to God.

    - A greater standard is set to those who have received the gospel/teachings/words of God (whatever you call it)

    - If you mislead someone (instead of pointing the mankind to God's greatness, you point it to your own greatness), remember that our God is a jealous God. And this is one of the highlights of Jesus teachings (which he directly exampled the work of the Jews (as being privilege to be the 1st, but confuses the mankind).

    - Remember the verse " if I didn't correct you, how will you know that I love you?"...

    - Be faithful with God directly, religions are created by men and like every organization, can also be corrupted at one point or so.

    This is a never ending argument, for the information is as deep as the ocean, as wide as the universe. But why confuse yourself and others, if you can just simply let yourself experience God's mercy thru Jesus Christ examples and teachings?

    It's like learning how to use the tool, and it takes your whole lifetime to understand His will. For His time is definitely not the same on how we use the clock to measure an hour, a day, a year...

    (So help me God, and forgive my weaknesses as a man, careless and easy to judge. Saying all of these, sooner or later I will be measured with my very own words.)
  • JagonJagon Don't listen to me PEx Influencer ⭐⭐⭐
    ^thanks for your input angat
  • KidlatNgayonKidlatNgayon Member PEx Influencer ⭐⭐⭐
    Ferdinand wrote: »
    Rabbi Jacob Neusner was a Jewish scholar, and even he saw the structure of the Catholic Church like that of the BIBLICAL Judaism. Read the Book of Alfred Edersheim, the Temple and Its Ministries and you will find that Catholic Church clearly resembles the practices and rituals of structure of the the Jewish Temple. So this talk of invention is nothing new, it's been debunked a long time ago.

    Which is why God constantly called His people (the Jews) "foolish and hard-headed".

    Jeremiah 4:22
    King James Version (KJV)
    22 For my people is foolish, they have not known me; they are sottish children, and they have none understanding: they are wise to do evil, but to do good they have no knowledge.

    Nehemiah 9:16
    New International Version
    "But they, our ancestors, became arrogant and stiff-necked, and they did not obey your commands.

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