Pagtataas ng Kalye Kontra-Baha: Yes or No?

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Nabalitaan ko kamakailan na itataas ang lugar namin sa somewhere sa Valenzuela ngayong buwan hanggang August. Ang plano raw ay tataasin ng 3 feet ang existing streets at aayusin daw ang drainage. Nang nakausap ko ang barangay hall namin, sabi raw na ganoon nga raw ang plano para pangontra sa pagbaha. Siguradong puputulin pa nila kung anumang natitirang puno ang nalalabi sa area namin kaya wala ng sisipsip ng tubig baha tuwing tag-ulan.

Ang pinoproblema ko rito ay ang mga kabahayan na magiging apektado. Wala pang 5 years noong huling itinaas ang daan sa tapat namin. kahit papano na resolba iyung problema noon sa lugar namin na naging lawa pagkatapos dumaan si Milenyo kasi mga 2 years hindi nawala ang baha. Iyun nga lang, noong huling pagtaas, hindi sinabay ang pagbubungkal ng drainage kaya mas lalong tumaas ang tubig sa mga kanal na halos kapantay na ng tinaas na daan.

Napapansin ko kasi na kahit ilang beses magtaas ng daan, mas lumalala pa lalo ang pagbaha. Nakakalungkot pa eh, matapos namang bumaha, nagsusubside ang tubig din kaya hindi talaga namin ito nagiging problema for most of the year pero mukhang hindi iyon iniisip ng kung sinong engineers na mahilig magtaas ng daan.

Buti na lang, magkakaroon ng public consultation. Susubukan kong puntahan para marinig ngmga magtatas ang hinain namin.

Ang nakakainis pa, sa bawat pagtaas, lumiliit naman ng ang mga bahay na may dating katangkaran. Mga homeowners pa ang nahihirapang magcope kasi malaking gastos rin ito. Makikita niyo naman ang epekto ng madalas na pagtaas ng daan sa mga lugar kakagaya ng Malabon at Obando. Pati ancestral houses, affected na rin.

Kayo, approve ba kayo sa road elevation sa area ninyo?
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  • dfgvandfgvan pilay PEx Veteran ⭐⭐
    depende... kaya ba may road elevation dahil sa lalakihan ang drainage?
  • ValorianValorian Do no harm PEx Influencer ⭐⭐⭐
    diba yung Espa?a\, pinataas din yung kalsada run, pero binabaha pa rin?
  • j5bataj5bata There's also ONE BENILDE! PEx Influencer ⭐⭐⭐
    dfgvan wrote: »
    depende... kaya ba may road elevation dahil sa lalakihan ang drainage?

    Ang nakuha ko sa kanila eh "tataasan" at "gagawan ng bagong drainage".

    Iyung kanal namin, malaki na siya talaga sa simula kaso over time, napag-ipunan na ng silt, basura at iba pa kaya bumabaw na siya. Dagdag doon kasi, iyung dapat daanan ng tubig, natambakan ng semento kaya hindi naiiwang stagnant ang tubig.

    At ang tubig, nangingibang kulay: From black to brown, to green, to dark blue.
  • dfgvandfgvan pilay PEx Veteran ⭐⭐
    exactly...

    lilinisin ang current then lalakihan
  • ThomasAndersonThomasAnderson Member PExer
    its an engineering question... pag lubugin ang lugar, dapat taasan.

    There are places that are just flood plains and should have never been use for building houses like in MALABON, CAINTA, TAGUIG, TAYTAY.. etc..

    Unless.. you reclaim the flood plains like in our village in Taytay. The developer raises the roads by 3 meters. During Ondoy and Habagat, our village were never been flooded. Outside of our village, Its over a meter in deep in floods, we are stranded but at least our home were never been damaged.
  • dfgvandfgvan pilay PEx Veteran ⭐⭐
    yes it is an engineering question, but the point you are stating are based on topography...

    low land areas necessarily doesn't need to be raised, if there will be a catch basin or proper drainage network in place...

    but if the area of study is near a body of water, then indeed the difference in elevation between the body of water and the land should be at a certain level to avoid flooding...
  • gotta lick itgotta lick it Member PEx Influencer ⭐⭐⭐
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  • peterinpeterin Member PEx Influencer ⭐⭐⭐
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  • saan ba village nyo sa Taytay? baka naman sa Havila eh for sure hindi babahain yun
    its an engineering question... pag lubugin ang lugar, dapat taasan.

    There are places that are just flood plains and should have never been use for building houses like in MALABON, CAINTA, TAGUIG, TAYTAY.. etc..

    Unless.. you reclaim the flood plains like in our village in Taytay. The developer raises the roads by 3 meters. During Ondoy and Habagat, our village were never been flooded. Outside of our village, Its over a meter in deep in floods, we are stranded but at least our home were never been damaged.
  • BusilakBusilak Member PEx Influencer ⭐⭐⭐
    Dapat lunasan ang sanhi ng baha. Kung sa Espana yan kahit gaano itaas ang kalye , hindi mawawala ang baha. Dapat ibalik at linisin ang chain ng esteros.
  • j5bataj5bata There's also ONE BENILDE! PEx Influencer ⭐⭐⭐
    dfgvan wrote: »
    yes it is an engineering question, but the point you are stating are based on topography...

    low land areas necessarily doesn't need to be raised, if there will be a catch basin or proper drainage network in place...

    but if the area of study is near a body of water, then indeed the difference in elevation between the body of water and the land should be at a certain level to avoid flooding...

    In my case, we're sort of near a river tributary, a large pond area (increasingly being reclaimed however) in nearby Obando and Polo River just a which is at the very western fringe of my barangay (Arkong Bato).

    Unlike Malabon and Navotas, flooding is not very common. Binabaha lang kami tuwing panahon ng bagyo. Kapag high-tide, hindi rin kami affected unless sira ang mag dikes mula sa Obando.

    Over the years, I've seen road elevation more times than I could count since childhood. While it worked the first couple of times, it became apparent that such a measure isn't enough to minimize flooding. In fact, it seemed to only just worsen the situation when 1) the drainage such as channels and esteros are blocked by accumulated wastes due to neglect, 2) and the increasing loss of natural vegetation that would have served as "shock absorbers" to floodwater.

    Is a simple dredging of a blocked canal not enough anymore to help reduce the level of water in there and the chances of flooding brought by a short drizzle?
  • j5bataj5bata There's also ONE BENILDE! PEx Influencer ⭐⭐⭐
    So here's an update: A construction crew have already set up shop within the vicinity of our street, a.k.a. putting up shanties for them and their families to stay for the duration of this project.

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    May dala na rin silang mga hollow blocks at lupa na tinambakan lang nila sa mga kanal na barado na nga, babarahin pa nila lalo.

    I also just called the city engineer's office again where I got to talk to the city engineer. They said, everything has already been paid for, may pondo na rin for the project (amounting to 15 million).

    The "public consultation" thing I mentioned before is not exactly a "consultation", as it turns out. It's more of the city government trying to orient and persuade the affected residents that the project is a "long term solution". So no amount of opposition would help factor any sort of consideration for the project to continue with its current plan of elevating the entire neighborhood by three feet.

    The reason they decided to raise the height of the road by that much is because they want to match it with the recently elevated main road in neighboring Obando for fear that the whole barangay will become a catch basin for another town's water. I was quick to tell that it would not be a problem for us had there been an effective drainage system that would help hasten the subsiding of floodwater.

    The annoying thing about this is that the engineer I talked to over the phone has made no qualms about the likelihood of raising the same road again after a few years is more than certain, it's going to be periodical.

    So imagine if I built a five story building 10 years ago. Over time, the building have seen the road rise. 10 years later, what used to be a five story building will end up with 10 stories with the first five buried underground and the next five built on top of what used to be a rooftop.

    I've seen the other elevated streets from the barangay next door and the houses their no longer looked beautiful as they were before. Some of the houses and apartment buildings simply couldn't cope. And to think those same streets were also elevated for the same exact purpose and the first time it occurred, flooding still subsided after only a short time.
  • gotta lick itgotta lick it Member PEx Influencer ⭐⭐⭐
    j5bata wrote: »
    So here's an update: A construction crew have already set up shop within the vicinity of our street, a.k.a. putting up shanties for them and their families to stay for the duration of this project.

    https://fbcdn-photos-e-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xta1/v/t1.0-0/s480x480/12670697_10204769870281684_6196393575308159827_n.jpg?_nc_eui=ARgXPwBR7DMs6EfjrkbQh4i5C8ztirHYPKyxX06P9WcwkXnVEx_EXA&oh=6e57250e90f353b28bad6413d986f1e2&oe=57BC8579&__gda__=1467215720_4f1e860a8f1612a6ae7bcb25de573dc8

    May dala na rin silang mga hollow blocks at lupa na tinambakan lang nila sa mga kanal na barado na nga, babarahin pa nila lalo.

    I also just called the city engineer's office again where I got to talk to the city engineer. They said, everything has already been paid for, may pondo na rin for the project (amounting to 15 million).

    The "public consultation" thing I mentioned before is not exactly a "consultation", as it turns out. It's more of the city government trying to orient and persuade the affected residents that the project is a "long term solution". So no amount of opposition would help factor any sort of consideration for the project to continue with its current plan of elevating the entire neighborhood by three feet.

    The reason they decided to raise the height of the road by that much is because they want to match it with the recently elevated main road in neighboring Obando for fear that the whole barangay will become a catch basin for another town's water. I was quick to tell that it would not be a problem for us had there been an effective drainage system that would help hasten the subsiding of floodwater.

    The annoying thing about this is that the engineer I talked to over the phone has made no qualms about the likelihood of raising the same road again after a few years is more than certain, it's going to be periodical.

    So imagine if I built a five story building 10 years ago. Over time, the building have seen the road rise. 10 years later, what used to be a five story building will end up with 10 stories with the first five buried underground and the next five built on top of what used to be a rooftop.

    I've seen the other elevated streets from the barangay next door and the houses their no longer looked beautiful as they were before. Some of the houses and apartment buildings simply couldn't cope. And to think those same streets were also elevated for the same exact purpose and the first time it occurred, flooding still subsided after only a short time.

    wala pang isang metro may tubig na ang hukay. how do you expect those road will fare against liquefaction?
  • cretinous00cretinous00 The sea! The sea! PExer
    dumb a$$ idea.
  • panis_na_putopanis_na_puto Member PExer
    Band aid na lunas lang ang pagtaas ng kalsada. Ang tunay na lunas ay MAGHUKAY ng kalaki-laking butas sa ilalim upang doon magpunta ang tubig baha. Ganito ang naging lunas sa baha sa Tokyo Japan kung saan gumastos ng bilyon-bilyon ang pamahalaan ng Hapon.

    BOBO sa master plan ang Pilipino. Puro band aid na lunas lang ang alam.

    [#]BalangArawLulubogNaSaTubigAngPinas[/#]
  • cretinous00cretinous00 The sea! The sea! PExer
    at experto ka pala sa public works na matatawag mong b0b0 mga planners natin. ok payn. :D

    tanong: gaano kalalim at kalawak yung catchment cistern mo in an area of 100 square miles, to contain, say, 1 inch of rainfall in less than an hour? at magkano kaya 'yun?

    galingan ang sagot. ;)
  • Juan Plus OneJuan Plus One Pexer of the Year! PEx Influencer ⭐⭐⭐
    Well, what can you expect from people with the lowest IQ in Asia. :glee:
  • cretinous00cretinous00 The sea! The sea! PExer
    ^
    lots of nurses for countries like the US. :glee:
  • dy/dxdy/dx Member PExer
    simpleng solution....ibenta mo na lang *** property mo diyan at lumipat kayo sa mataas na lugar.
  • j5bataj5bata There's also ONE BENILDE! PEx Influencer ⭐⭐⭐
    wala pang isang metro may tubig na ang hukay. how do you expect those road will fare against liquefaction?

    It's hard to argue with people from the government who are very shortsighted.

    As long na hindi pa rin naayos ang dikes sa Obando, lalala ng lalala lang ang problema ng baha nila doon at todo damay ang mga karatigbayan.

    Who ever thought of road elevation as a so-called anti-flooring solution should be shot to death.




    3cylinder wrote: »
    Kung tataasan ang kalye at papalitan ng malaking kanal..Dapat imaintain nila yung paglinis ng kanal hindi yung kung kailan magtagulan dun lang lilinisin.

    Unfortunately, the only time I see any actual effort to do that, limited lang sa mga national roads.

    dy/dx wrote: »
    simpleng solution....ibenta mo na lang *** property mo diyan at lumipat kayo sa mataas na lugar.

    If it was ever possible, we would. Maybe in the next couple of years. Medyo mahirap i-uproot ang sarili mo sa isang lugar na naging tahanan mo for a good part of your life.

    I'm actually documenting our neighborhood by taking pictures as a memento of what our place looks like before the pending change.

    I'll probably going to take pictures of the other streets in the barangay that will also meet a similar fate as ours.



    I also have something in mind for next week, I just hope I could pull it off.

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