The INC's own bible version

sophion

Marami raw mali-mali sa translations ng bible. So why wont INC create its own error free bible version?
A true church without a true bible. Thats bull.

And what would be the reaction of non-INCs if they did create their own bible.

sophion

John 1:1 ►
New Manalo Version

In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God's idea.

John 20:28 ►
New Manalo Version

Thomas said to him, "My Lord, ....and... oh my God!"

Totnak

KidlatNgayon

sophion wrote: »

Marami raw mali-mali sa translations ng bible. So why wont INC create its own error free bible version?
A true church without a true bible. Thats bull.

And what would be the reaction of non-INCs if they did create their own bible.

Hindi na kelangan! Napapatunayan ang ang katotohanan ng INC sa hindi niya ginawang biblia!

Kayo ngang Atheists ay HINDI nyo pa ring mapatunayang walang Diyos dahil wala namang gumagawang "biblia" nyo na walang Diyos! HAK HAK HAK HAK!!!

sophion

^kidlat, paki-text mo ang sanggunian and make the suggestion. malay mo magustuhan nila ang idea na magkaroon ng New Manalo Version ang biblia. INC's very own.

i'm sure masaya yan. panibagong paguusapan dito sa pex.

KidlatNgayon

sophion wrote: »

John 1:1 ►
New Manalo Version

In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God's idea.

John 20:28 ►
New Manalo Version

Thomas said to him, "My Lord, ....and... oh my God!"

Genesis: 1;3
New Living Translation
Then God said, "Let there be light," and there was light.

God's word is God itself:

For the word of God is living and active and sharper than any two-edged sword, and piercing as far as the division of soul and spirit, of both joints and marrow, and able to judge the thoughts and intentions of the heart.

Jeremiah 23:29
"Is not my word like fire," declares the LORD, "and like a hammer that breaks a rock in pieces?

Jesus Christ said:

John 12:49-50
49 "For I did not speak on My own initiative, but the Father Himself who sent Me has given Me a commandment as to what to say and what to speak. 50 "I know that His commandment is eternal life; therefore the things I speak, I speak just as the Father has told Me."

KidlatNgayon

Thomas:

John 20:28
New International Version
Thomas said to him, "My Lord and my God!"

Jesus Christ:

John 8:40
New International Version
As it is, you are looking for a way to kill me, a man who has told you the truth that I heard from God. Abraham did not do such things.

John 5:30
New International Version
By myself I can do nothing; I judge only as I hear, and my judgment is just, for I seek not to please myself but him who sent me.

John 5:19
New International Version
Jesus gave them this answer: "Very truly I tell you, the Son can do nothing by himself; he can do only what he sees his Father doing, because whatever the Father does the Son also does.

John 4:34
"My food," said Jesus, "is to do the will of him who sent me and to finish his work.

Apostle Peter:

Acts 2:22
English Standard Version
“Men of Israel, hear these words: Jesus of Nazareth, a man attested to you by God with mighty works and wonders and signs that God did through him in your midst, as you yourselves know—

Apostle Paul:

1 Timothy 2:5
King James Bible
For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;

God is different from Christ:

1 Corinthians 8:6
yet for us there is but one God, the Father, from whom all things came and for whom we live; and there is but one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom all things came and through whom we live.

^That is why Jesus is the only mediator

PROVE to us here at RoT that Thomas preached that Jesus is God

KidlatNgayon

sophion wrote: »

^kidlat, paki-text mo ang sanggunian and make the suggestion. malay mo magustuhan nila ang idea na magkaroon ng New Manalo Version ang biblia. INC's very own.

i'm sure masaya yan. panibagong paguusapan dito sa pex.

Panis na yang idea mo - kung maganda ang magiging resulta nyan dapat noon pa! Kaya nga totoo ang INC kasi ang katotohanan ay lumalabas na kusa hindi pilit!

sophion

^ kita mo na kelangan mo pa magpost ng pagkahaba-haba at kung ano ano pang acrobatics at palusot ginawa mo. wala namang magbabasa nyan. god knows i didnt.

solution lang dyan ay ang New Manalo Version! Baguhin ninyo ang nakasulat para di na kelangan pang magpalusot!

KidlatNgayon

sophion wrote: »

^ kita mo na kelangan mo pa magpost ng pagkahaba-haba at kung ano ano pang acrobatics at palusot ginawa mo. wala namang magbabasa nyan. god knows i didnt.

solution lang dyan ay ang New Manalo Version! Baguhin ninyo ang nakasulat para di na kelangan pang magpalusot!

E DI TOTOO NGA, mga sinungaling kayo na hindi pala nagbabasa ng sagot tapos sinasabihan AKONG B0B0 - E di talbog pala sa yo no?

Ferdinand

KidlatNgayon wrote: »

Genesis: 1;3
New Living Translation
Then God said, "Let there be light," and there was light.

God's word is God itself:

"

So umamin ka na rin na tama kaming mga Trinitarians? Jesus is the Word of God, therefore according to your statement above, Jesus is God?

Ferdinand

sophion wrote: »

John 1:1 ►
New Manalo Version

In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God's idea.

John 20:28 ►
New Manalo Version

Thomas said to him, "My Lord, ....and... oh my God!"

Natawa naman talaga ako diyan!

Tokay

WALA NANG MAKAKAGAWA NG PERPEKTONG SALIN NG BIBLIYA mula sa mga lumang manuskrito, dahil maging ang mga lumang manuskrito ayon na rin sa mga nagsipag aral ay nagdaan na rin sa mga pagbabago mula sa orihinal. At ang iba ay napalitan pa.

HINDI DIN DOKTRINA NG IGLESIA NI CRISTO NA DAPAT AY GUMAMIT, MANGARAL, O MAGTURO LAMANG NG PERPEKTONG SALIN NG BIBLIYA O IISANG SALIN NG BIBLIYA LAMANG NA PERPEKTO PARA ANG TAO AY MALIGTAS- WALANG DOKTRINA ANG IGLESIA NI CRISTO NG GANUN. MAGING SI CRISTO AT MGA APOSTOL AY HINDI DIN NAGTURO NA KAILANGAN PERPEKTONG SALIN NG BIBLIYA LAMANG ANG GAMITIN PARA ANG TAO AY MALIGTAS.

Kaya ang gusto mangyari dito ni Sophion ay wala ng bigat at halaga.

Ngayon wala man na ang perpektong salin ng Bibliya, hindi naman nawawala ang mensahe ng Bibliya ukol sa ikakatamo ng kaligtasan ng tao - NA YUN ANG MAS MAHALAGA.

KidlatNgayon

Ferdinand wrote: »

So umamin ka na rin na tama kaming mga Trinitarians? Jesus is the Word of God, therefore according to your statement above, Jesus is God?

This is the full verse:

John 1:1
New International Version
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

If what you say is the truth then there would be 2 Gods (see my emphasis) and that would make our Lord God a liar for saying over and over again that He is the ONLY TRUE God, which Jesus also emphasized when He prayed to God before He was killed. (John 17:3). This is the reason why to get the truth, we have to get proof from the other verses of the bible as well.

With INC's understanding of the verse, the reason why the Word is with God is because the Word is already in the mind or plan of the God which is confirmed in the following verse:

Acts 2:23
New International Version
This man was handed over to you by God's deliberate plan and foreknowledge; and you, with the help of wicked men, put him to death by nailing him to the cross.

KidlatNgayon

Juan 1:1
" Nang pasimula siya ang Verbo, at ang Verbo ay sumasa Dios, at ang Verbo ay Dios. "


Ang Juan 1:1 ay isa sa mga talata ng Biblia na pangunahing ginagamit ng iba upang patunayan na Diyos si Cristo. Gayunman, ito ay TINUTULAN din bilang batayan sa gayong paniniwala ng mga nasa hanay mismo ng MGA NANINIWALAN SI CRISTO AY DIYOS:


"(iii) Sa huli ay sinabi ni Juan na ang salita ay Diyos. Ito ay isang kasabihang mahirap nating mauunawaan, ito'y mahirap dahil ang wikang Griyego, na siyang ginagamit ni Juan sa pagsulat, ay may paraan ng pagsasabi ng mga bagay na iba sa paraan ng pagsasalita sa Ingles. Kapag ang Griyego ay gumagamit ng pangngalan (NOUN), halos lagi itong gumagamit ng pantukoy (ARTICLE) na kasama nito. Ang Diyos sa Griyego ay THEOS at ang pantukoy ay HO. Kapag ang Griyego ay nagsasalita tungkol sa Diyos hindi nito basta na lamang sinasabi na THEOS; sinasabi nito na HO THEOS. Ngayon, kapag hindi ginagamit sa Griyego ang tuwirang pantukoy kasama ng pangngalan, ang pangngalan na iyon ay mas nagiging pang-uri(ADJECTIVE). Hindi sinasabi ni Juan na ang salita (VERBO) ay HO THEOS; na waring ang salita ay ang Diyos mismo. Sinasabi niya na ang salita ay THEOS-wala ang tuwirang pantukoy... Nang sabihin ni Juan na ang SALITA AY DIYOS, hindi niya sinasabing si Jesus ay Siya mismong Diyos; sinasabi niyang si Jesus ay lubos na katulad ng Diyos sa pag-iisip, sa damdamin...." (The Daily Study Bible Series -- The Gospel of John, Vol. 1, p. 39)



Pinatutunayan sa aklat na ito na ang salitang "Diyos" sa sugnay na "ang Verbo ay Diyos" ay hindi NOUN O PANGNGALAN kundi ADJECTIVE o pang-uri. Sa Griyego kapag, gumamit ng pangngalan tulad ng THEOS(Diyos), ito ay pangkaraniwang ginagamitan ng article o PANTUKOY na HO. Kapag ang Theos ay hindi ginamitan ng pantukoy na HO, ito raw ay "mas magiging" PANG-URI. Lumilitaw, kung gayon, na ang salitang " DIYOS" sa sugnay na "ANG VERBO AY DIYOS" ay PANG-URI---inuuri lamang nito ang Verbo at hindi pinatutunayan na ang Verbo ay ang Diyos. Kaya, ayon sa pagsusuri ng iba sa talatang ito, ang sugnay na, "ANG VERBO AY DIYOS" ay dapat isaling, "ANG VERBO AY BANAL". :



"...Ipinapapansin ng mga iskolar ng Bagong Tipan na ang bantog na salin ng talata sa paunang salita,' ang Verbo ay sumasa Diyos, at ang Verbo ay Diyos' (Juan 1:1) ay mali ang pagkakasalin mula sa orihinal na Griyego. Ang THEOS na may pantukoy ay dapat isalin na Diyos, subalit ang tamang salin ng THEOS na walang pantukoy ay dapat na 'BANAL'. Sa ibang salita, ang salin ay dapat na ,' Ang Verbo ay sumasa Diyos at ang Verbo ay Banal'. Karamihan sa mga iskolar ng Bagong Tipan ay sumasang-ayon dito. " ( One ChristMany Religions, p. 123)


Sapagkat ang sugnay na " Ang Verbo ay Diyos" ay paglalarawan o pag-uuri lamang sa Verbo, hindi nito pinatutunayan na si Cristo ay Diyos. Tunghayan naman natin ang pahayag ng iba pang mga nagsuri sa talatang ito:


"... Bawat taong tapat ay dapat sumang-ayon na ang pagsasabi ni Juan na ang Salita[Verbo] o Logos ' ay Banal ' ay hindi pagsasabing siya ang Diyos na kasama nito. Sinasabi lamang nito ang isang katangian ng Salita o Logos, subalit hindi nito sinasabi na siya rin ang Diyos.
" Ang dahilan kung kaya isinalin nila ang salitang Griyego na 'banal', at hindi 'Diyos', ay sapagkat ito ay ang pangngalang Griyego na the-os' na walang tuwirang pantukoy, kaya isang anarthrous the-os'. ... ang anarthrous na pagkakabalangkas ng pangungusap ay tumutukoy da katangian ng isang bagay ..." (New World Translation ot the Christian Greek Scriptures, p. 774)


Maliwanag, kung gayon, na ayon mismo sa mga nagtataguyod ng aral na si Cristo ay Diyos, ang Juan 1:1 ay hindi katunayan na si Cristo ay Diyos.


Ang mga pag-amin na ito ng mga iskolar at mga tagapagturo sa mga relihiyong naniniwala na Diyos si Cristo ay nagpapatunay na ang aral na kanilang itinataguyod ay wala talagang batayan sa Biblia. Huwad na pananampalataya ang maitataguyod ng isang tao kung paniniwalaan niyang Diyos si Cristo. Hindi tayo dapat na maipahamak ng maling paniniwala. Kaya nga ibinabala ng mga apostol:



2 Corinto 11:3
" Nguni't ako'y natatakot, baka sa anomang paraan, kung paanong si Eva ay nadaya ng ahas sa kaniyang katusuhan, ang inyong walang malay at malinis na mga pagiisip na kay Cristo ay pasamain. "

2 Corinto 11:4
" Sapagka't kung yaong paririto ay mangaral ng ibang Jesus, na hindi namin ipinangaral, o kung kayo'y nagsisitanggap ng ibang espiritu na hindi ninyo tinanggap, o ibang evangelio na hindi ninyo tinanggap, ay mabuting pagtiisan ninyo. "




Kaya, hinihikayat namin kayo na suriin ang paniniwala ng Iglesia ni Cristo tungkol sa ating Panginoong Jesucristo upang maliwanagan kayo sa mga katotohanang isinasaad.

Sa mga marami pang karagdagang patoto at pagpapaliwanag ukol dito ay maari nyu bisitahin:


http://iglesianicristolahingtapat.blogspot.in/2014/01/juan-1114-dios-ba-talaga-si-cristo.html?m=1

Ferdinand

KidlatNgayon wrote: »

This is the full verse:

John 1:1
New International Version
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

If what you say is the truth then there would be 2 Gods (see my emphasis) and that would make our Lord God a liar for saying over and over again that He is the ONLY TRUE God, which Jesus also emphasized when He prayed to God before He died. (John 17:3). This is the reason why to get the truth, we have to get proof from the other verses of the bible as well.

With INC's understanding of the verse, the reason why the Word is with God is because the Word is already in the mind or plan of the God which is confirmed in the following verse:

Acts 2:23
New International Version
This man was handed over to you by God's deliberate plan and foreknowledge; and you, with the help of wicked men, put him to death by nailing him to the cross.

You can try wiggling out of this conundrum, but your statement below is clear

KidlatNgayon wrote: »

Genesis: 1;3
New Living Translation
Then God said, "Let there be light," and there was light.

God's word is God itself:

KidlatNgayon

Ferdinand wrote: »

You can try wiggling out of this conundrum, but your statement below is clear

God's Word in the sense that what He SAYS is as powerful as Him - in the sense that "God is as good as HIS Words - not just Jesus Christ but everything He says or commands.

I'm not wiggling out and it's not a conundrum because it's very clear as proven by other bible verses:

God alone created everything:

Isaiah 44:24 Thus says the LORD, your Redeemer, and the one who formed you from the womb, "I, the LORD, am the maker of all things, Stretching out the heavens by Myself And spreading out the earth all alone, 25 Causing the omens of boasters to fail, Making fools out of diviners, Causing wise men to draw back And turning their knowledge into foolishness,…

While Jesus Christ said:

John 5:30
New International Version
By myself I can do nothing; I judge only as I hear, and my judgment is just, for I seek not to please myself but him who sent me.

Ferdinand

KidlatNgayon wrote: »

God's Word in the sense that what He SAYS is as powerful as Him - in the sense that "God is as good as HIS Words - not just Jesus Christ but everything He says or commands.

I'm not wiggling out and it's not a conundrum because it's very clear as proven by other bible verses:

God alone created everything:

Isaiah 44:24 Thus says the LORD, your Redeemer, and the one who formed you from the womb, "I, the LORD, am the maker of all things, Stretching out the heavens by Myself And spreading out the earth all alone, 25 Causing the omens of boasters to fail, Making fools out of diviners, Causing wise men to draw back And turning their knowledge into foolishness,…

While Jesus Christ said:

John 5:30
New International Version
By myself I can do nothing; I judge only as I hear, and my judgment is just, for I seek not to please myself but him who sent me.

It is a conundrum on your part since what you've said is crystal clear.

KidlatNgayon wrote: »

Genesis: 1;3
New Living Translation
Then God said, "Let there be light," and there was light.

God's word is God itself:

And you are just burying yourself deeper and deeper with this statement:

KidlatNgayon wrote: »

God's Word in the sense that what He SAYS is as powerful as Him - in the sense that "God is as good as HIS Words - not just Jesus Christ but everything He says or commands.

What could be powerful as God but God?

KidlatNgayon

Ferdinand wrote: »

It is a conundrum on your part since what you've said is crystal clear.

God's WORD is not just Christ but EVERYTHING He says or commands. Maybe your eardrums are ringing like crystal when they get hit by truth you constantly deny. I can't do anything with that - you are indeed blinded. I pity you!

KidlatNgayon

It's also true that one of the main reasons why some people become non-believers is that false religions' teachings make the bible seem to contradict itself, therefore making it an unreliable reference for truth.

skye_phoenix

KidlatNgayon wrote: »

It's also true that one of the main reasons why some people become non-believers is that false religions' teachings make the bible seem to contradict itself, therefore making it an unreliable reference for truth.

Eh diba isa kayo dun?

Iba-ibang bible version ang sources nyo ng "truth".