Atheists just want to sin, that's why they don't want to believe in "God"
Frank_Macky
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Another example of sharp theist logic in action.
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while the girls want the boys to watch the girls go by.0 -
Atheists don't believe in God simply because they don't believe that the universe needs a cause - it just popped out of nothing like a rabbit being pulled out of a magician's hat. Another example of sharp atheistic logic in action lol.
its not that simple:
http://atheism.about.com/od/aboutatheism/p/whynotbelieve.htm
i think the strongest reasons there are:
* Gods Just Don't Matter
* Gods and Believers Behave Immorally
* Faith is Unreliable0 -
At sinong nagbigay sa iyo ng iyong Pototoy ?! (keps for ladies)
How ungrateful naman...
Gagamitin, di man lang magpasalamat... ...aaahhhh...
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It was a jab against the TS's premise. Anyway these are worn out arguments and they aren't strong:i think the strongest reasons there are:
* Gods Just Don't Matter
It matters since the atheist fails to demonstrate how a universe can just pop out of nothing. Everything in the universe is caused by something else. Why would the universe be an exception?* Gods and Believers Behave Immorally
This is a weak argument since it does not negate the existence of God even if we grant the premise of the argument.* Faith is Unreliable
This is also weak. There is always a measure of faith even in science. Every scientific law is contingent. There is no guarantee that the law will still hold tomorrow or if the law will hold against new scientific discoveries. In other words, there is also a certain measure of faith even in science - that laws will hold true from now even into the future.0 -
mcsteamy17 wrote: »At sinong nagbigay sa iyo ng iyong Pototoy ?! (keps for ladies)
How ungrateful naman...
Gagamitin, di man lang magpasalamat... ...aaahhhh...
aaaahhh.....ang sarap naman nang pag-aaaaaah na yan.0 -
Frank_Macky wrote: »Another example of sharp theist logic in action.
To say that Atheists just want to sin, that's why they don't want to believe in "God" is fallacious to begin with. It is pegged on the premise that atheists believe in 'sin' which is a Judaeo Christian concept. Sin is a violation of the will of God and therefore it is counter-intuitive to for an atheist to believe in its objective reality since it posits belief in the existence of God.0 -
thats not what it means. the gods dont matter because whether or not you believe in them life goes on. pareho lang ang buhay ng believers and non-believers. pareho lang na siniswerte or minamalas. pupugutan ka pa rn ng ISIS. tatamaan ka pa rin ng kidlat. belief in a god dont change anything. life is still governed by the roll of a dice. diba?It matters since the atheist fails to demonstrate how a universe can just pop out of nothing. Everything in the universe is caused by something else. Why would the universe be an exception?
the immoral god goes against the idea of what a god is supposed to be. the immoral believer goes against the assumption that belief in god makes one a better person. maraming nagiging atheist after realizing this fact.This is a weak argument since it does not negate the existence of God even if we grant the premise of the argument.
of course there is faith in everything. but the faith in god is the most useless. kasi kahit magdasal ka 24/7 malas ka pa rin, at talagang mamalasin ka kasi nagaksaya ka lang ng maraming oras.This is also weak. There is always a measure of faith even in science. Every scientific law is contingent. There is no guarantee that the law will still hold tomorrow or if the law will hold against new scientific discoveries. In other words, there is also a certain measure of faith even in science - that laws will hold true from now even into the future.
tignan mo mga muslim. they are the most faithful people. 5x a day kung magdasal! 1 entire month of fasting. pero puro mga losers pa rin. walang kwenta faith nila. 0 -
Atheists just want to sin, that's why they don't want to believe in "God"
Ang sunod na tanong doon is "What god?". Ang daming nalikhang diyos ang mga tao since the start of human civilization. The god hypothesis ay hindi kayang patunayan, so ang tawag doon sa simple English is "immaterial", immaterial also means not-important in English.
god hypothesis was brought-up to explain the unexplainable, which slowly but surely the scope of god-of-the-gaps are shrinking as humanity learns more and more about the world and the cosmos using Scientific Method.
These god-business is all about one thing -- earning money tax free. Religions are very successful business undertaking, nobody can stop it due to its profitability. I'm an atheist and would like to witness religions be wiped-out during my lifetime, but I have to be realistic -- if it earns money well, no activity can stop.0 -
thats not what it means. the gods dont matter because whether or not you believe in them life goes on. pareho lang ang buhay ng believers and non-believers. pareho lang na siniswerte or minamalas. pupugutan ka pa rn ng ISIS. tatamaan ka pa rin ng kidlat. belief in a god dont change anything. life is still governed by the roll of a dice. diba?
It does matter. Society, culture and even law is heavily influenced by religious precepts - not by atheism which is bankrupt of any moral teaching. An example of this is the Universal Declaration of Human Rights Charter which is largely formulated by Catholic Theists. Belief in God is the primary impetus for the development of civilization - not atheism. We have already proven that.the immoral god goes against the idea of what a god is supposed to be. the immoral believer goes against the assumption that belief in god makes one a better person. maraming nagiging atheist after realizing this fact.
Atheists remain a minority. The only way it can become a majority if it is imposed by the authority of the state. Immorality of God and its believer does not dismiss the idea that God exists in the same way that the immoral believer does. It is irrelevant therefore to the question of God's existence but reinforces it. Good and evil anyway can never be defined by atheism. That is why Frank can never answer the question by what standard does he consider God's actions as good or evil. Belief in God does make man better since it is obvious whenever the state imposes atheism - human rights violation is rife including the massacre of many innocent lives.
of course there is faith in everything. but the faith in god is the most useless. kasi kahit magdasal ka 24/7 malas ka pa rin, at talagang mamalasin ka kasi nagaksaya ka lang ng maraming oras.
tignan mo mga muslim. they are the most faithful people. 5x a day kung magdasal! 1 entire month of fasting. pero puro mga losers pa rin. walang kwenta faith nila.
Faith in God is the impetus behind the development of major civilizations in the world. We do not owe civilization to atheism. The great civilizations in the world are primarily theistic which helped in the development of science, culture and art in no small way. Atheism is what is therefore useless seen in the light of history and civilization. But it did contribute to the scientific slaughter of mankind and the callous disregard for human life.0 -
Hindi lahat ng mga Atheist po at hindi ako Atheist dahil ayoko na pagbintangan na ako ay isang Atheist.
Ito ang sumusunod:
#1. Nabasa, napanood at narinig ko na sa survey ay mas nakaka appreciate at mas natotolerate ng karamihan ng Atheist ang iba-ibang relihiyon, na kaysa sa mga tao na napapaloob ng kanilang relihiyon sapagkat kung iba ang relihiyon na matapatan ng taong nasa loob ng kanilang relihiyon, mas mataas na bilang na ang mga tao na ito ay hindi nila ma appreciate at hindi nila matolerate ang relihiyon na iba sa kanila.
Remember? Meron religion debate sa totoong mundo. Hindi naging Atheist dahil sa gusto ito magkasala pero naging Atheist po sila dahil nagkaroon ng enlightenment sa mismong mind nila, na meron iba-ibang God sa iba-ibang relihiyon sa buong mundo at dahil dito, naging open mind sila na e-appreciate at e-tolerate ang mga ito.
Obvious naman diba?
If ang tao na naniniwala sa God in religion po nila, sa tingin ba natin ay magiging open mind ba sila sa ibang religion?
Ang sagot.
Hinde.
Ang iba, oo, pero e-double check ng tao ang realm of thought thread topic. Ang ibang God believers na napapaloob sa religion ay nag-a-argue po ang iba na ang tangi totoong religion na meron ay sa kanila lang po. Malamang, mahirap po sa kanila na maging open mind sa taong ang relihiyon ay iba sa kanila.
#2. Ang rason kung bakit ipinili ng tao maging Atheist ay dahil hindi sila naniniwala sa God in religion sa buong mundo sapagkat maraming Godssss sa buong mundo in different religion. For me, in my personal point of view ay kung ayaw ng Atheist na maniwala kay God dahil sa maraming Godssss in religion sa buong mundo, well, mas mainam na piliin na lang nila maging Deist.
Ang Deist naman kase ay walang problemo sa religion-religion na iyan sapagkat wala sila religion pero may God sila. E iyon lang naman kung hindi nila feel ang Godssss in different religion sa buong mundo. Pwede sila huwag mag religion na lang kahit meron silang God.
#3. Meron mga tao na naging Atheist sapagkat simulang bata ay hinding-hindi itinuro sa kanila ang God. Totoo ito. Ayaw na ayaw ko sabihin kung anong bansa iyon pero hindi po natin sila katulad. Wala kaseng religion ang kanila and so, paglaki ng bata ay naturally, Atheist po talaga siya pero take note, hindi naman sila gumagawa ng kriminal. Mabait lang sila.
#4. Atheist ang ibang tao ay dahil sa natuklasan nilang research base sa archeological discoveries na dati-rati silang Christian---I mean literally Christian, Islam or whatever na biglang automatically convert to Atheist sapagkat natuklasan nila na myth lang pala si God---dahil sa archeological discoveries, research or ano pa man diyan. Hindi lahat na taong involve sa archeological discoveries ay convert agad sa Atheist ha? Ang ibang tao lang po.
#5. Ang ibang tao na Atheist ay mga rebellious lang po sila dahil maaring lumaki po sila sa isang extreme religious traditionalists family at pagkatapos, na confuse in a real, real world---hindi nila alam ang gagawin, maraming questions and then, ayun, Atheist na po sila. Meron iba rason at hindi lang dahil sa extreme religious traditionalists ang ipinanggalingan---basta---rebellious lang po sila. Ang ibang Atheist naman ay may galit sa God na nakilala nila---mga ganun po.
Siguro sa ibang Atheist na nanggaling mismo sa Christian o kahit ano pang relihiyon ipinanggalingan ay kung meron po silang knowledge about sin sapagkat iyon ang itinuro sa kanila noon nasa loob pa sila ng religion, well, depende naman ata sa Atheist iyon kung rebellious ba siya o hinde.
What if para sa Atheist ay hindi iyon sin? Iba lang ang moral at ethics, and beliefs ang meron sa kanila?
Mataas na porsyentimo ay nasa Christian society po tayo and so, ang moral at ethics ay kung ano lang po tanggap ng mas nakakarami---malamang, sin ang mapeperceive ng mga non-Atheist sa mga nagagawa ng Atheist.
Iyon lang.
Ito ang archeology discoveries about bible. So hindi lahat ng Atheist po ay gusto magkasala kaya ayaw maniwala kay God. Meron mga iba-ibang rason na tangi mga Atheistssss lang po ang nakakaalam.
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indeed in the past religion played a vital role for better or worst. but what about today and the last few decades, is there any practical benefit to believing in god? does god still matter?It does matter. Society, culture and even law is heavily influenced by religious precepts - not by atheism which is bankrupt of any moral teaching. An example of this is the Universal Declaration of Human Rights Charter which is largely formulated by Catholic Theists. Belief in God is the primary impetus for the development of civilization - not atheism. We have already proven that.
Atheists did admit that it does not dismiss the possibility of a god out there, but it does show that the particular gods promoted by major religions are very much mistaken.Immorality of God and its believer does not dismiss the idea that God exists in the same way that the immoral believer does.
atheism does not define anything at all. but i'm sure we would both agree that atheists have an idea of what good and bad is.Good and evil anyway can never be defined by atheism.Faith in God is the impetus behind the development of major civilizations in the world. We do not owe civilization to atheism. The great civilizations in the world are primarily theistic which helped in the development of science, culture and art in no small way. Atheism is what is therefore useless seen in the light of history and civilization. But it did contribute to the scientific slaughter of mankind and the callous disregard for human life.
still that doesnt mean that faith in god gives results. so why should an atheist believe?0 -
Frank_Macky wrote: »Ah so "sin" is not really doing evil things, but rather not obeying your particular god.
Well, at least we cleared that up.
Instrument lang yan para takutin na mapasunod ang mga tao sa mga doctrina. Naku naman, religions mga tax-free businesses lang sila. It is all about profit. Tanggalin or bawasan man lang ang profitability ng mga religious organization, and we will see them panicking...0 -
Hindi lahat ng mga Atheist po at hindi ako Atheist dahil ayoko na pagbintangan na ako ay isang Atheist.
Ito ang sumusunod:
#1. Nabasa, napanood at narinig ko na sa survey ay mas nakaka appreciate at mas natotolerate ng karamihan ng Atheist ang iba-ibang relihiyon, na kaysa sa mga tao na napapaloob ng kanilang relihiyon sapagkat kung iba ang relihiyon na matapatan ng taong nasa loob ng kanilang relihiyon, mas mataas na bilang na ang mga tao na ito ay hindi nila ma appreciate at hindi nila matolerate ang relihiyon na iba sa kanila.
Remember? Meron religion debate sa totoong mundo. Hindi naging Atheist dahil sa gusto ito magkasala pero naging Atheist po sila dahil nagkaroon ng enlightenment sa mismong mind nila, na meron iba-ibang God sa iba-ibang relihiyon sa buong mundo at dahil dito, naging open mind sila na e-appreciate at e-tolerate ang mga ito.
Obvious naman diba?
If ang tao na naniniwala sa God in religion po nila, sa tingin ba natin ay magiging open mind ba sila sa ibang religion?
Ang sagot.
Hinde.
Ang iba, oo, pero e-double check ng tao ang realm of thought thread topic. Ang ibang God believers na napapaloob sa religion ay nag-a-argue po ang iba na ang tangi totoong religion na meron ay sa kanila lang po. Malamang, mahirap po sa kanila na maging open mind sa taong ang relihiyon ay iba sa kanila.
#2. Ang rason kung bakit ipinili ng tao maging Atheist ay dahil hindi sila naniniwala sa God in religion sa buong mundo sapagkat maraming Godssss sa buong mundo in different religion. For me, in my personal point of view ay kung ayaw ng Atheist na maniwala kay God dahil sa maraming Godssss in religion sa buong mundo, well, mas mainam na piliin na lang nila maging Deist.
Ang Deist naman kase ay walang problemo sa religion-religion na iyan sapagkat wala sila religion pero may God sila. E iyon lang naman kung hindi nila feel ang Godssss in different religion sa buong mundo. Pwede sila huwag mag religion na lang kahit meron silang God.
#3. Meron mga tao na naging Atheist sapagkat simulang bata ay hinding-hindi itinuro sa kanila ang God. Totoo ito. Ayaw na ayaw ko sabihin kung anong bansa iyon pero hindi po natin sila katulad. Wala kaseng religion ang kanila and so, paglaki ng bata ay naturally, Atheist po talaga siya pero take note, hindi naman sila gumagawa ng kriminal. Mabait lang sila.
#4. Atheist ang ibang tao ay dahil sa natuklasan nilang research base sa archeological discoveries na dati-rati silang Christian---I mean literally Christian, Islam or whatever na biglang automatically convert to Atheist sapagkat natuklasan nila na myth lang pala si God---dahil sa archeological discoveries, research or ano pa man diyan. Hindi lahat na taong involve sa archeological discoveries ay convert agad sa Atheist ha? Ang ibang tao lang po.
#5. Ang ibang tao na Atheist ay mga rebellious lang po sila dahil maaring lumaki po sila sa isang extreme religious traditionalists family at pagkatapos, na confuse in a real, real world---hindi nila alam ang gagawin, maraming questions and then, ayun, Atheist na po sila. Meron iba rason at hindi lang dahil sa extreme religious traditionalists ang ipinanggalingan---basta---rebellious lang po sila. Ang ibang Atheist naman ay may galit sa God na nakilala nila---mga ganun po.
Siguro sa ibang Atheist na nanggaling mismo sa Christian o kahit ano pang relihiyon ipinanggalingan ay kung meron po silang knowledge about sin sapagkat iyon ang itinuro sa kanila noon nasa loob pa sila ng religion, well, depende naman ata sa Atheist iyon kung rebellious ba siya o hinde.
What if para sa Atheist ay hindi iyon sin? Iba lang ang moral at ethics, and beliefs ang meron sa kanila?
Mataas na porsyentimo ay nasa Christian society po tayo and so, ang moral at ethics ay kung ano lang po tanggap ng mas nakakarami---malamang, sin ang mapeperceive ng mga non-Atheist sa mga nagagawa ng Atheist.
Iyon lang.
Ito ang archeology discoveries about bible. So hindi lahat ng Atheist po ay gusto magkasala kaya ayaw maniwala kay God. Meron mga iba-ibang rason na tangi mga Atheistssss lang po ang nakakaalam.
Wag na tayong lumayo, pansinin nyo na lang mga threads dito sa Realm of Thought. Pag ang central topic ng thread regarding sa atheism, lahat ng mga ibat-ibang religious people magkakampi -- bugbog sarado sa mga bible/koran/whateverbook quotes yung thread. Nagiging united sila kung ang central topic is atheism, pero kung mapapansin mo sa mga kanya-kanyang threads nila, sila sila ang hindi magkasundo -- kasi specific doctrines na ang hindi nila mapagkasunduan.
Come-on, kung ang makapangyarihan sa lahat ang sumulat sa mga librong it --- bakit very prone sa confusion and interpretation? I say your god guys really is a poor communicator.0
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