An Second Debate Challenge to any INC: Jesus Claimed Divinity Biblically
Totnak
Theistic Apologist
I am again challenging any INC in this sub-forum into a debate using the following proposition.
RESOLVE THAT JESUS CLAIMED DIVINITY BASED ON THE BIBLE
I will take the AFFIRMATIVE.
I would like to think that the INCs here would accept my challenge easily given that they've been arguing against this premise since time immemorial.
I'll prove to everyone, once and for all, that Jesus claimed divinity for Himself and it was written in the bible.
RESOLVE THAT JESUS CLAIMED DIVINITY BASED ON THE BIBLE
I will take the AFFIRMATIVE.
I would like to think that the INCs here would accept my challenge easily given that they've been arguing against this premise since time immemorial.
I'll prove to everyone, once and for all, that Jesus claimed divinity for Himself and it was written in the bible.
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tatanggapin ito ni Emenorrah Bonifacio.0
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alchemistofophir wrote: »tatanggapin ito ni Emenorrah Bonifacio.
si Menorrah ba si Bonipakyu? I doubt it......although it would be a welcome thing if indeed they are one and the same....it would be 2-0 for me then (against Menorrah)?
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divinity
dɪˈvɪnɪti/Submit
noun
1.
the state or quality of being divine.
"Christ's divinity"
synonyms: divine nature, divineness, godliness, deity, godhead, holiness, sanctity, sanctitude, sacredness, blessedness
"the divinity of Christ"
2.
the study of religion; theology.
"a doctor of divinity"
synonyms: theology, religious studies, religion, scripture
"they persuaded him to read mathematics, not divinity"
No question of Jesus being divine. BANAL po siya, dahil ginawa siyang banal or biblically speaking "pinabanal" siya ng AMA, ang nag iisang tunat na DIYOS.
Did Jesus claimed he is GOD?.. NO!0 -
divinity
dɪˈvɪnɪti/Submit
noun
1.
the state or quality of being divine.
"Christ's divinity"
synonyms: divine nature, divineness, godliness, deity, godhead, holiness, sanctity, sanctitude, sacredness, blessedness
"the divinity of Christ"
2.
the study of religion; theology.
"a doctor of divinity"
synonyms: theology, religious studies, religion, scripture
"they persuaded him to read mathematics, not divinity"
No question of Jesus being divine. BANAL po siya, dahil ginawa siyang banal or biblically speaking "pinabanal" siya ng AMA, ang nag iisang tunat na DIYOS.
Did Jesus claimed he is GOD?.. NO!0 -
Kaya nga sa biblia ay may mga verses na sinasabi ang "one true God" o "true God" sapagka't maraming diyos-diyosan o false gods. Ang mga false gods ba na ito ay nagdeklara na sila ay Diyos? Hindi, ang mga tao ang nag-declare na sila ay "diyos". Gumawa sila ng mga rebulto at imahen at tinawag nila itong mga "diyos". So nasa tao ang gawa kung bakit maraming "diyos".
Si Cristo ay hindi nag-deklara na Siya ay "Diyos". Maging ang mga apostol Niya ay walang ITINURONG Diyos Siya. Si Tomas ay hindi nagturong Diyos si Cristo kundi napabulalas lang ng "Diyos ko" sa kanyang pagkamangha na nabuhay muli si Cristo.
So sinong nag-deklara na "Diyos" si Cristo? Mga tao! Si Emperor Constantino at ang mga paring Katoliko noon sa konseho ng Nicea noong ika-apat na siglo na, matagal nang patay ang lahat na naunang mga apostol ni Cristo!
The council agreed that Jesus is truly God, and so it published a creed stating the Christian faith in a way that thoroughly condemned Arianism.
https://www.christianhistoryinstitute.org/study/module/nicea/
THEREFORE, TAO ANG NAGTURO na Diyos si Cristo! Ito ang sabi sa biblia:
MAtthew 15:8-9
8 'THIS PEOPLE HONORS ME WITH THEIR LIPS, BUT THEIR HEART IS FAR AWAY FROM ME. 9 'BUT IN VAIN DO THEY WORSHIP ME, TEACHING AS DOCTRINES THE PRECEPTS OF MEN.'"
CONFIRMED:
Isaiah 29:13
The Lord says: "These people come near to me with their mouth and honor me with their lips, but their hearts are far from me. Their worship of me is based on merely human rules they have been taught.
Mark 7:7
They worship me in vain; their teachings are merely human rules.'
Colossians 2:22
These rules, which have to do with things that are all destined to perish with use, are based on merely human commands and teachings.0 -
Malinaw sa bible na hindi ! Tandang panandam ang ginamit ng sabihin ni thomas na my God. My Lord. Kundi tuldok ibig sabihin kinikilala ni thomas na Diyos si KristoKidlatNgayon wrote: »Kaya nga sa biblia ay may mga verses na sinasabi ang "one true God" o "true God" sapagka't maraming diyos-diyosan o false gods. Ang mga false gods ba na ito ay nagdeklara na sila ay Diyos? Hindi, ang mga tao ang nag-declare na sila ay "diyos". Gumawa sila ng mga rebulto at imahen at tinawag nila itong mga "diyos". So nasa tao ang gawa kung bakit maraming "diyos".
Si Cristo ay hindi nag-deklara na Siya ay "Diyos". Maging ang mga apostol Niya ay walang ITINURONG Diyos Siya. Si Tomas ay hindi nagturong Diyos si Cristo kundi napabulalas lang ng "Diyos ko" sa kanyang pagkamangha na nabuhay muli si Cristo.
So sinong nag-deklara na "Diyos" si Cristo? Mga tao! Si Emperor Constantino at ang mga paring Katoliko noon sa konseho ng Nicea noong ika-apat na siglo na, matagal nang patay ang lahat na naunang mga apostol ni Cristo!
The council agreed that Jesus is truly God, and so it published a creed stating the Christian faith in a way that thoroughly condemned Arianism.
https://www.christianhistoryinstitute.org/study/module/nicea/
THEREFORE, TAO ANG NAGTURO na Diyos si Cristo! Ito ang sabi sa biblia:
MAtthew 15:8-9
8 'THIS PEOPLE HONORS ME WITH THEIR LIPS, BUT THEIR HEART IS FAR AWAY FROM ME. 9 'BUT IN VAIN DO THEY WORSHIP ME, TEACHING AS DOCTRINES THE PRECEPTS OF MEN.'"
CONFIRMED:
Isaiah 29:13
The Lord says: "These people come near to me with their mouth and honor me with their lips, but their hearts are far from me. Their worship of me is based on merely human rules they have been taught.
Mark 7:7
They worship me in vain; their teachings are merely human rules.'
Colossians 2:22
These rules, which have to do with things that are all destined to perish with use, are based on merely human commands and teachings.0 -
VirtusoXXX wrote: »Malinaw sa bible na hindi ! Tandang panandam ang ginamit ng sabihin ni thomas na my God. My Lord. Kundi tuldok ibig sabihin kinikilala ni thomas na Diyos si Kristo
MAS MARAMING versions ng bible na gumamit ng exclamation point sa verse na yan
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Karamihan ng mga version ng bible gamit ay tuldok... yung pinanggalingang salin ng bibliya tuldok din ang ginamit at yung ginagamit mo palagi na na king james bible tuldok din ang ginamitKidlatNgayon wrote: »MAS MARAMING versions ng bible na gumamit ng exclamation point sa verse na yan 0 -
VirtusoXXX wrote: »Karamihan ng mga version ng bible gamit ay tuldok... yung pinanggalingang salin ng bibliya tuldok din ang ginamit at yung ginagamit mo palagi na na king james bible tuldok din ang ginamit
John 20:28
New International Version
Thomas said to him, "My Lord and my God!"
New Living Translation
"My Lord and my God!" Thomas exclaimed.
English Standard Version
Thomas answered him, My Lord and my God!
Berean Study Bible
Thomas replied, "My Lord and my God!"
Berean Literal Bible
Thomas answered and said to Him, "My Lord and my God!"
New American Standard Bible
Thomas answered and said to Him, "My Lord and my God!"
Holman Christian Standard Bible
Thomas responded to Him, "My Lord and my God!"
International Standard Version
Thomas answered him, "My Lord and my God!"
NET Bible
Thomas replied to him, "My Lord and my God!"
GOD'S WORD® Translation
Thomas responded to Jesus, "My Lord and my God!"
New American Standard 1977
Thomas answered and said to Him, My Lord and my God!
Weymouth New Testament
"My Lord and my God!" replied Thomas.
World English Bible
Thomas answered him, "My Lord and my God!"
TO NAME A FEW! 0 -
Aramaic Bible in Plain EnglishKidlatNgayon wrote: »John 20:28
New International Version
Thomas said to him, "My Lord and my God!"
New Living Translation
"My Lord and my God!" Thomas exclaimed.
English Standard Version
Thomas answered him, My Lord and my God!
Berean Study Bible
Thomas replied, "My Lord and my God!"
Berean Literal Bible
Thomas answered and said to Him, "My Lord and my God!"
New American Standard Bible
Thomas answered and said to Him, "My Lord and my God!"
Holman Christian Standard Bible
Thomas responded to Him, "My Lord and my God!"
International Standard Version
Thomas answered him, "My Lord and my God!"
NET Bible
Thomas replied to him, "My Lord and my God!"
GOD'S WORD® Translation
Thomas responded to Jesus, "My Lord and my God!"
New American Standard 1977
Thomas answered and said to Him, My Lord and my God!
Weymouth New Testament
"My Lord and my God!" replied Thomas.
World English Bible
Thomas answered him, "My Lord and my God!"
TO NAME A FEW!
And Thomas answered and said to him, My Lord, and my God.
King James Bible
And Thomas answered and said unto him, My Lord and my God.
Jubilee Bible 2000
And Thomas answered and said unto him, My Lord and my God.
King James 2000 Bible
And Thomas answered and said unto him, My Lord and my God.
American King James Version
And Thomas answered and said to him, My LORD and my God.
American Standard Version
Thomas answered and said unto him, My Lord and my God.
Douay-Rheims Bible
Thomas answered, and said to him: My Lord, and my God.
Darby Bible Translation
Thomas answered and said to him, My Lord and my God.
English Revised Version
Thomas answered and said unto him, My Lord and my God.
Webster's Bible Translation
And Thomas answered and said to him, My Lord and my God.
to name a few kinukuha mo lang na version yung pabor sa gusto mo 
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VirtusoXXX wrote: »Aramaic Bible in Plain English
And Thomas answered and said to him, My Lord, and my God.
King James Bible
And Thomas answered and said unto him, My Lord and my God.
Jubilee Bible 2000
And Thomas answered and said unto him, My Lord and my God.
King James 2000 Bible
And Thomas answered and said unto him, My Lord and my God.
American King James Version
And Thomas answered and said to him, My LORD and my God.
American Standard Version
Thomas answered and said unto him, My Lord and my God.
Douay-Rheims Bible
Thomas answered, and said to him: My Lord, and my God.
Darby Bible Translation
Thomas answered and said to him, My Lord and my God.
English Revised Version
Thomas answered and said unto him, My Lord and my God.
Webster's Bible Translation
And Thomas answered and said to him, My Lord and my God.
to name a few kinukuha mo lang na version yung pabor sa gusto mo
Una, MAS MARAMI yung mga verses na may exclamation point!
Okay, sinabi ni Tomas yan, ipinangaral ba niya? May gospel ba nag-su-support na ipinangaral ng mga apostol at ni Cristo mismo, na Diyos si Cristo? 0 -
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Yung angelhood na lang ni manalo ang pag dibatihan ninyo.
ahahhahaha, hanep sa hirit. pailalim at di halata pero sabog.
oo nga naman. di worth i debate ang divinity/deity ni Jesus pagkat alam naman na yan mula pa noon noon pa. mas masarap sa pandinig yung angelhood ni Manalo.
kung tao lang si Jesus at angel si Felix, e di aba'y mas nakakahigit sa stature si Felix kaysa kay Jesus.0 -
It seems that INCs never wanted to do a formal debate on the angelhood of Manalo. I think its time for you guys here in RoT to assert something distinct in your teaching instead of protesting Catholic teaching.KidlatNgayon wrote: »Sino ba ang nagdedebate, Ferdi? Hanggang ngayon hindi mo pa alam ang ibig sabihin ng "angel"?0 -
KidlatNgayon ito yung verses sa bible na tumutukoy na Diyos si Kristo
tapos isa isa mo siyang i debunk ok
Matthew 1:23 - Behold, the virgin shall be with child, and bear a Son, and they shall call His name Immanuel, which is translated, God with us.
Isaiah 9:6 - For unto us a Child is born, Unto us a Son is given; And the government will be upon His shoulder. And His name will be called Wonderful, Counselor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace.
Isaiah 43:10,11 - You are My witnesses, says the Lord, And My servant whom I have chosen, That you may know and believe Me, and understand that I am He. Before Me there was no God formed, Nor shall there be after Me. I, even I, am the Lord, and besides Me there is no Savior.
Revelation 1:17-18; Revelation 2:8 - (Jesus is the First and the Last)
Isaiah 44:6 - (God is the Redeemer)
2 Peter 1:1 (Jesus is the Redeemer) - To those who have obtained like precious faith with us by the righteousness of our God and Savior Jesus Christ
Isaiah 44:24 - (God created the world by Himself alone)
John 1:3; Colossians 1:16 - (Jesus made all things)
John 1:1 - In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God... 1:14 - And the Word became flesh and dwelt among us,
John 5:17,18 - My Father has been working until now, and I have been working. Therefore the Jews sought to kill Him, because He not only broke the Sabbath, but also said that God was His Father, making Himself equal with God.
John 5:23 - that all should honor the Son just as they honor the Father. He who does not honor the Son does not honor the Father who sent Him.
John 8:24 - Therefore I said to you that you will die in your sins; for if you do not believe that I AM [He], you will die in your sins.
John 8:58 - Then Jesus said to them, Most assuredly, I say to you, before Abraham was, I AM.
John 10:30-33 - Jesus answered them, I and My Father are one. Then the Jews took up stones again to stone Him. Jesus answered them, Many good works I have shown you from My Father. For which of those works do you stone Me? The Jews answered Him, saying, For a good work we do not stone You, but for blasphemy, and because You, being a Man, make Yourself God.
John 14:6-7 - Jesus said to him, I AM the way, the truth, and the Life. No one comes to the Father except through Me.
John 14:9-11 - Jesus said to him, Have I been with you so long and yet you have not known Me, Philip? He who has seen Me has seen the Father; so how can you say, 'Show us the Father'?
John 20:28 - And Thomas answered and said to Him, My Lord and my God!
Acts 4:12 - Nor is there salvation in any other, for there is no other name under heaven given among men by which we must be saved.
Acts 20:28 - (God purchased us with His own blood)
Revelation 1:5-6; Revelation 5:8-9 - (Jesus' blood purchased us)
Philippians 2:5-7 - Let this mind be in you which was also in Christ Jesus, who, being in the form of God, did not consider it robbery to be equal with God, but made Himself of no reputation, taking the form of a bond-servant, and coming in the likeness of men.
Colossians 2:9 - For in Him dwells all the fullness of the Godhead bodily
1 Timothy 3:16 - And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifested in the flesh, Justified in the Spirit, Seen by angels, Preached among the Gentiles, Believed on in the world, Received up in glory.
Titus 2:13 - looking for the blessed hope and glorious appearing of our great God and Savior Jesus Christ
Hebrews 1:8-9 - But to the Son He says: Your throne, O God, is forever and ever; A scepter of righteousness is the scepter of Your kingdom. You have loved righteousness and hated lawlessness; Therefore God, Your God, has anointed You with the oil of gladness more than Your companions.
2 John 1:7 - For many deceivers have gone out into the world who do not confess Jesus Christ as coming in the flesh. This is a deceiver and an antichrist.
Revelation 1:8 - I am the Alpha and the Omega, the Beginning and the End, says the Lord, who is and who was and who is to come, the Almighty.
Revelation 22:13 - I AM the Alpha and the Omega, the Beginning and the End, the First and the Last.... 22:16 - I, Jesus, have sent My angel to testify to you these things in the churches.
1 Timothy 6:14-16 - our Lord Jesus Christ's appearing, which He will manifest in His own time, He who is the blessed and only Potentate, the King of kings and Lord of lords, who alone has immortality, dwelling in unapproachable light, whom no man has seen or can see, to whom be honor and everlasting power. Amen.
Hebrews 2:17-18 - Therefore, in all things He had to be made like His brethren, that He might be a merciful and faithful High Priest in things pertaining to God, to make propitiation for the sins of the people. For in that He Himself has suffered, being tempted, He is able to aid those who are tempted.
Hebrews 4:15-16 - For we do not have a High Priest who cannot sympathize with our weaknesses, but was in all points tempted as we are, yet without sin. Let us therefore come boldly to the throne of grace, that we may obtain mercy and find grace to help in time of need.
1 Peter 2:24 - who Himself bore our sins in His own body on the tree, that we having died to sins, might live for righteousness - by whose stripes you were healed.
He went from sovereignty to shame and from deity to death? Why!? For you.
John 15:13 - Greater love has no one than this, than to lay down one's life for his friends.
Romans 5:8 - But God demonstrates His own love toward us, in that while we were still sinners, Christ died for us.
http://bugman123.com/Bible/JesusIsGod.html
hihintayin ko na isa isahin mo yung i deny 0 -
Emilio Bonifacio wrote: »divinity
dɪˈvɪnɪti/Submit
noun
1.
the state or quality of being divine.
"Christ's divinity"
synonyms: divine nature, divineness, godliness, deity, godhead, holiness, sanctity, sanctitude, sacredness, blessedness
"the divinity of Christ"
2.
the study of religion; theology.
"a doctor of divinity"
synonyms: theology, religious studies, religion, scripture
"they persuaded him to read mathematics, not divinity"
No question of Jesus being divine. BANAL po siya, dahil ginawa siyang banal or biblically speaking "pinabanal" siya ng AMA, ang nag iisang tunat na DIYOS.
Did Jesus claimed he is GOD?.. NO!
divinity IS NOT being holy....divinity is about being a deity....a god...
now that I have already qualified the term, can we do away with semantics then tell me if any of you have the balls to stand mano-y-mano against me in a formal PeX RoT Debate?0
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