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Katoliko Lang Daw ang Maliligtas Sabi ni Pope; Aliens bibinyagan Para Maligtas Rin :D

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Geoffrey Grider | May 16, 2014

“For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: Not of works, lest any man should boast.” Ephesians 2:8,9

Vatican City, Rome – Pope Francis said that people cannot be Christians without the Church, explaining that Christian identity is rooted in it and that believers cannot stand alone.

“Our Christian identity is belonging to a people: the Church. Without this, we are not Christians. We entered the Church through baptism: there we are Christians,” Francis said during Mass on Thursday, Vatican Radio reported.

Pope Francis consecrated the world to the Immaculate Heart of Mary at an October 13, 2013 Mass in St. Peter’s Square, in the climactic ceremony of a Marian Day celebration.
“A Christian without a church is something purely idealistic, it is not real,” the Roman Catholic Church leader argued. He said that one cannot “understand a Christian alone” any more than “Jesus Christ alone” can be understood.

“Jesus Christ did not fall from the sky like a superhero who comes to save us. No. Jesus Christ has a history. And we can say, and it is true, that God has a history because He wanted to walk with us. And you cannot understand Jesus Christ without His history. So a Christian without history, without a Christian nation, a Christian without the Church is incomprehensible. It is a thing of the laboratory, an artificial thing, a thing that cannot give life,” Francis said.

The Vatican leader urged believers to “ask for the grace of memory, the memory of the journey that the people of God has made,” as well as for personal memory – “What God did for me, in my life, how has He made me walk.”

He added that the “grace of hope” is also necessary for Christian identity, explaining that he does not mean optimism, but “something else.” “Ask for the grace to renew the covenant with the Lord who has called us every day,” Francis said.

During Mass on Monday, Francis also theorized about alien life forms, and suggested that even Martians should be welcomed to be baptized as well.

“If – for example – tomorrow an expedition of Martians came, and some of them came to us, here … Martians, right? Green, with that long nose and big ears, just like children paint them … And one says, ‘But I want to be baptized!’ What would happen?” Pope Francis remarked, and told the audience that baptism is open to everyone. He also recalled the words of Peter: “If then God gave them the same gift He gave to us when we came to believe in the Lord Jesus Christ, who was I to be able to hinder God?” source – Christian Post


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  • KidlatNgayonKidlatNgayon PEx Influencer ⭐⭐⭐
    The fate of non-Catholics, as stated prior to Vatican II:

    Before Vatican II, the Church consistently taught that only Roman Catholics had a chance to be saved and attain Heaven. Followers of other Christian denominations and of other religions would be automatically routed to Hell for all eternity:

    bullet Pope Innocent III (circa 1160 - 1216 CE) is considered "one of the greatest popes of the Middle Ages..." 1 At the Fourth Lateran Council (a.k.a. the General Council of Lateran, and the Great Council) he wrote:
    "There is but one universal Church of the faithful, outside of which no one at all can be saved."

    bullet Pope Boniface VIII (1235-1303 CE) promulgated a Papal Bull in 1302 CE titled Unam Sanctam (One Holy). He wrote, in part:
    "Urged by faith, we are obliged to believe and to maintain that the Church is one, holy, catholic, and also apostolic. We believe in her firmly and we confess with simplicity that outside of her there is neither salvation nor the remission of sins...In her then is one Lord, one faith, one baptism [Ephesians 4:5]. There had been at the time of the deluge only one ark of Noah, prefiguring the one Church, which ark, having been finished to a single cubit, had only one pilot and guide, i.e., Noah, and we read that, outside of this ark, all that subsisted on the earth was destroyed....Furthermore, we declare, we proclaim, we define that it is absolutely necessary for salvation that every human creature be subject to the Roman Pontiff." 2

    The last sentence in the original Latin reads: "Porro subesse Romano Pontifici omni humanae creaturae declaramus, dicimus, definimus, et pronuntiamus omnino esse de necessitate salutis." 3

    bullet Pope Eugene IV, (1388-1447 CE) wrote a Papal bull in 1441 CE titled Cantate Domino. One paragraph reads:
    "It [the Church] firmly believes, professes, and proclaims that those not living within the Catholic Church, not only pagans, but also Jews and heretics and schismatics cannot become participants in eternal life, but will depart 'into everlasting fire which was prepared for the devil and his angels' [Matt. 25:41], unless before the end of life the same have been added to the flock; and that the unity of the ecclesiastical body is so strong that only to those remaining in it are the sacraments of the Church of benefit for salvation, and do fastings, almsgiving, and other functions of piety and exercises of Christian service produce eternal reward, and that no one, whatever almsgiving he has practiced, even if he has shed blood for the name of Christ, can be saved, unless he has remained in the bosom and unity of the Catholic Church." 4

    The fate of non-Catholics, as expressed at Vatican II:

    bullet The "Dogmatic Constitution on the Church - Lumen Gentium" (1964) is one of many documents to come out of the Second Vatican Ecumenical Council (often referred to as "Vatican II"). The Council was held in Rome between 1962 and 1965. Lumen Gentium" contains in its Chapter 1 an essay on "The Mystery of the church." Sections 14 to 16 describe the potential for salvation of:
    bullet Followers of the Catholic Church,
    bullet Members of other Christian denominations, and
    bullet Believers of non-Christian religions. 5
    The language is difficult to follow for a lay person. However, an "Assessment of this Council" was written "as an AID to study by Catholic Students of the Second Vatican Council. They contain material, some written in a journalistic style, for the American reader." In the section "The Constitution of the Church" the assessment reads:

    "The Catholic Church professes that it is the one, holy catholic and apostolic Church of Christ; this it does not and could not deny. But in its Constitution the Church now solemnly acknowledges that the Holy Ghost is truly active in the churches and communities separated from itself. To these other Christian Churches the Catholic Church is bound in many ways: through reverence for God's word in the Scriptures; through the fact of baptism; through other sacraments which they recognize."

    5. The non-Christian may not be blamed for his ignorance of Christ and his Church; salvation is open to him also, if he seeks God sincerely and if he follows the commands of his conscience, for through this means the Holy Ghost acts upon all men; this divine action is not confined within the limited boundaries of the visible Church." 6

    This statement would seem to include the possibility that seekers after God may attain salvation, even though they have not concluded that God exists. Presumably, the authors of this document define "God" in Roman Catholic terms as a super-human intelligence and personality with specific attributes, such as being omnipotent, omniscient, omnibeneficient, omnipresent, etc. This statement indicates that even some Agnostics and Atheists could be saved and attain heaven, if they sincerely sought this Christian God. It also seems to imply that many Buddhists -- those who follow traditions that have no concept of such a deity -- will be relegated to Hell after death.

    bullet The "Decree on Ecumenism: Unitatis Redintegratio" (1964) is one of nine decrees of Vatican II. It deals with Ecumenism, which the Catholic Church defines as the reuniting of all Christian faith groups under the authority of the pope. This includes Eastern Orthodox churches, the Anglican Communion, and Protestant denominations -- those who "came to be separated from full communion with the Catholic Church." Section 3 deals with "separated brethren" -- followers of Christian denominations which The document repeats the belief that the Roman Catholic church is the only true Christian church -- the only denomination which "has been endowed with all divinely revealed truth and with all means of grace." Other Christian denominations are considered deficient. But the document does recognize that salvation is possible through the Catholic church for followers of those separated faith groups. It recognizes other denominations as fellow Christians:
    "The children who are born into these Communities and who grow up believing in Christ cannot be accused of the sin involved in the separation, and the Catholic Church embraces upon them as brothers, with respect and affection. For men who believe in Christ and have been truly baptized are in communion with the Catholic Church even though this communion is imperfect. ...it remains true that all who have been justified by faith in Baptism are members of Christ's body, and have a right to be called Christian, and so are correctly accepted as brothers by the children of the Catholic Church."

    "Moreover, some and even very many of the significant elements and endowments which together go to build up and give life to the Church itself, can exist outside the visible boundaries of the Catholic Church: the written word of God; the life of grace; faith, hope and charity, with the other interior gifts of the Holy Spirit, and visible elements too. All of these, which come from Christ and lead back to Christ, belong by right to the one Church of Christ."

    "The brethren divided from us also use many liturgical actions of the Christian religion. These most certainly can truly engender a life of grace in ways that vary according to the condition of each Church or Community. These liturgical actions must be regarded as capable of giving access to the community of salvation."

    "It follows that the separated Churches and Communities as such, though we believe them to be deficient in some respects, have been by no means deprived of significance and importance in the mystery of salvation. For the Spirit of Christ has not refrained from using them as means of salvation which derive their efficacy from the very fullness of grace and truth entrusted to the Church."

    "Nevertheless, our separated brethren, whether considered as individuals or as Communities and Churches, are not blessed with that unity which Jesus Christ wished to bestow on all those who through Him were born again into one body, and with Him quickened to newness of life- that unity which the Holy Scriptures and the ancient Tradition of the Church proclaim. For it is only through Christ's Catholic Church, which is 'the all-embracing means of salvation,' that they can benefit fully from the means of salvation. We believe that Our Lord entrusted all the blessings of the New Covenant to the apostolic college alone, of which Peter is the head, in order to establish the one Body of Christ on earth to which all should be fully incorporated who belong in any way to the people of God." (Footnote references deleted) 7

    -The "Declaration on the relation of the Church to non-Christian religions: Nostra Aetate," (1965) is one of three declarations of Vatican II. 8 It states that:
    -"[The Christian] God made the whole human race to live over the face of the earth."
    -"The Catholic Church rejects nothing that is true and holy in these [non-Christian] religions."
    -"God holds the Jews most dear for the sake of their Fathers..."
    -...the [Roman Catholic] Church is the new People of God..."
    -"...the Church has always held and holds now, Christ underwent His passion and death freely, because of the sins of men and out of infinite love, in order that all may reach salvation."

    The fate of non-Catholics, as expressed after Vatican II:

    -The Catechism of the Catholic Church (1994), deals with the relationship of the Roman Catholic Church to non-Catholics in Topics 839 to 845. Some points are:
    -839: Followers of other religions are referred to as "Those who have not yet received the gospel..." The implication is that they will eventually become united with the Roman Catholic Church.
    -839 to 841: The Roman Catholic Church has a special relationship to Jews and Muslims because of the common reverence for the patriarch Abraham.
    -843: Other religions contain "goodness and truth" which are "a preparation for the Gospel."
    -845: God wishes to "reunite all his children," of all religions who are "scattered and led astray by sin...together into" the Catholic Church.
    -" 'Dominus Iesus' on the unicity and salvific universality of Jesus Christ and the Church" was published on 2000-AUG-6 by Cardinal Ratzinger, Prefect of the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith. It was released on SEP-5. The document had been ratified and confirmed by the Pope John Paul II on JUN-16 "with sure knowledge and by his apostolic authority." 10 The document appears to have been triggered by the growth in acceptance of "relativistic theories which seek to justify religious pluralism." 12 It states that:
    -"The full revelation of divine truth is given" in the "mystery of Jesus Christ." No additional revelation is expected in the future.
    -Elements of Christianity were placed in other religions by the Holy Spirit.
    -Jesus is the only savior of mankind.
    -All who are saved achieve this status through the Roman Catholic Church.
    -Salvation is possible to those who are not Roman Catholics or Eastern Orthodox.
    -The prayers and rituals of other religions may help or hinder their believers. Some practices may prepare their membership to absorb the Gospel. However, those rituals which "depend on superstitions or other errors... constitute an obstacle to salvation."
    -Members of other religions are "gravely deficient" relative to members of the Church of Christ who already have "the fullness of the means of salvation."
  • KidlatNgayonKidlatNgayon PEx Influencer ⭐⭐⭐
    Pope Says That Non-Christians Can Be Saved Without Biblical Faith!
    Pope says Faith in Christ is NOT Necessary to Salvation!

    Nonbelievers Too Can Be Saved, Says Pope

    Code: ZE05113005 | Date: 2005-11-30

    Refers to St. Augustine's Commentary on Psalm 136(137)

    VATICAN CITY, NOV. 30, 2005 (Zenit.org). — Whoever seeks peace and the good of the community with a pure conscience, and keeps alive the desire for the transcendent, will be saved even if he lacks biblical faith, says Benedict XVI.

    The Pope made this affirmation today at the general audience, commenting on a meditation written by St. Augustine (354-430).

    See: Pope Benedict XVI's general audience, Nov. 30 2005.

    The official Catechism of the Roman Catholic Church teaches the same heresy, that is, that a person can get to Heaven some OTHER WAY besides faith in Christ if they're sincere . . .

    1260 "Since Christ died for all, and since all men are in fact called to one and the same destiny, which is divine, we must hold that the Holy Spirit offers to all the possibility of being made partakers, in a way known to God, of the Paschal mystery."62 Every man who is ignorant of the Gospel of Christ and of his Church, but seeks the truth and does the will of God in accordance with his understanding of it, can be saved. It may be supposed that such persons would have desired Baptism explicitly if they had known its necessity.

    Source: Catechism of the Catholic Church online at the Vatican.

    READ MORE: http://www.jesus-is-savior.com/False%20Religions/Roman%20Catholicism/pope-no_faith.htm
  • KidlatNgayonKidlatNgayon PEx Influencer ⭐⭐⭐
    Wala sa hulog ang mga turo sa RCC kaya marami ang nag-decide na huwag na lang maniwala sa Diyos.

    Bakit ako nag-Iglesia ni Cristo?

    - Sapagka't pagtuturo pa lang ay malinaw na sa akin ang direksyon at kahihinatnan ng aking membership - lahat ay nasa biblia at maliwananag na maliwanag!

    - Sa pagtuturo ay maraming katanungang nasagot at kapani-paniwala sa matalinong pagsusuri

    - May mahabang panahon ng pag-aaral at pagsusuri at pagdedesisyon

    - Kakaiba ang damdamin ko nang ako ay mabautismohan, naramdaman ko talaga ang pag-gaan ng aking katawan, parang literal na naramdaman ko ang pagkaalis ng aking mga kasalanan; Naramdaman ko ang kakaibang kilabot na pagbaba ng Espiritu Santo

    - Maliwananag ang aking direksyion at alam ko at nauunawaan ang mga kautusan ng Diyos. Hindi perpekto ang tao at hindi maaaring hindi siya magkasala sa pang-araw-araw nyang pamumuhay subali't nalilinis ang kasalanan tuwing Santa Cena at sa pagpapahid ng langis. Lahat ito ay ay ayon sa biblia.

    - Ako (at ang aking pamilya) ay mahirap na tao pero hindi "naghihirap".

    - Wala akong takot at nakakatulog nang mahimbing.

    Gusto nyo bang ma-experience ito? Bakit hindi nyo subukang magpatala at mag-aral ng mga salita ng Diyos? No strings attached! :)
  • cretinous00cretinous00 PEx Influencer ⭐⭐⭐
  • Mabuhay-RexMabuhay-Rex PEx Influencer ⭐⭐⭐

    [email protected] talaga ang walang alam sa doktrina sa simbahang Katoliko. Kidlat basahin mong mabuti ang pinoposti mo...
  • KidlatNgayonKidlatNgayon PEx Influencer ⭐⭐⭐
    [email protected] talaga ang walang alam sa doktrina sa simbahang Katoliko. Kidlat basahin mong mabuti ang pinoposti mo...

    Ang point ko ay galit kayo sa INC sa pagsasabing Kami "lang" ang maliligtas :D Samantalang mas matagal nyo nang claimed yan!
  • For Catholics, the word "Church" has many meanings. While "Church" could refer to the Roman Catholic church, it is not exclusive to it. "Church" could also mean all believers—whether Catholic or non-Catholic. As your (bias) news source quoted the pope, "A Christian without a church is something purely idealistic, it is not real."
  • KidlatNgayonKidlatNgayon PEx Influencer ⭐⭐⭐
    Kasama wrote: »
    For Catholics, the word "Church" has many meanings. While "Church" could refer to the Roman Catholic church, it is not exclusive to it. "Church" could also mean all believers—whether Catholic or non-Catholic. As your (bias) news source quoted the pope, "A Christian without a church is something purely idealistic, it is not real."


    When Pope Francis says "Church" he is referring to the Catholic Church. Don't you know about the Pope's movement to catholicize all protestant churches? This was one his biggest movement since his installation as Pope:

  • KidlatNgayonKidlatNgayon PEx Influencer ⭐⭐⭐
    Si Pope Francis mismo ang nagsasabi na ang mga Protestante ay Anak ng Katolismo, patunay lang na galing lahat ang Protestante sa Katolisismo, sila ay anak at ang Katoliko ang ina!

    Revelation 17:5
    New International Version
    The name written on her forehead was a mystery: babylon the great the mother of prostitutes and of the abominations of the earth.

    Hosea 2
    Contemporary English Version (CEV)

    2: 1 So let your brothers be called “My People” and your sisters be called “Shown Mercy.”[a]

    The Lord Promises To Punish Israel

    2 Accuse! Accuse your mother!
    She is no longer my wife,
    and now I, the Lord,
    am not her husband.
    Beg her to give up prostitution
    and stop being unfaithful,
    3 or I will strip her naked
    like the day she was born.
    I will make her barren
    like a desert,
    and she will die of thirst.
    4 You children are the result
    of her unfaithfulness,
    and I’ll show you no pity.
    5 Your mother was unfaithful.

    She was disgraceful and said,
    “I’ll run after my lovers.
    Everything comes from them—
    my food and drink,
    my linen and wool,
    my olive oil and wine.”
    6 I, the Lord, will build
    a fence of thorns
    to block her path.
    7 She will run after her lovers,
    but not catch them;
    she will search,
    but not find them.
    Then she will say, “I’ll return
    to my first husband.
    Life was better then.”

    8 She didn’t know that her grain,
    wine, and olive oil
    were gifts from me,
    as were the gold and silver
    she used in worshiping Baal.[c]
  • KidlatNgayonKidlatNgayon PEx Influencer ⭐⭐⭐
    Ang pananalig sa Trinidad o Trinity - ang paniniwalang si Kristo ay Diyos o ang Ama at si Kristo ay iisa o ang Ama, anak at Espiritu Santo ay iisang Diyos!

    What is Trinity?

    According to the Cathecism of the Catholic Church herself:

    234 The mystery of the Most Holy Trinity is the central mystery of Christian faith and life. It is the mystery of God in himself. It is therefore the source of all the other mysteries of faith, the light that enlightens them. It is the most fundamental and essential teaching in the "hierarchy of the truths of faith".56 The whole history of salvation is identical with the history of the way and the means by which the one true God, Father, Son and Holy Spirit, reveals himself to men "and reconciles and unites with himself those who turn away from sin".57


    SUNDAY, OCTOBER 15, 2006
    The mystery
    Plato(Father of Pagan Trinity):
    "God can in no way be described." -- Plato (Father of the pagan Trinity)

    Dr.Walter Martin:
    "The Trinity itself is a mystery or a "holy secret". It is incomprehensible. It can never be fully understood."

    Catholic priest Martin J. Scott
    This is the frank confession of Catholic priest Martin J. Scott, which is concurred in and given imprimatur by higher Catholic authorities:"The trinity is a wonderful mystery. no one understands it. The most learned theologian, the holiest Pope, the greatest saint, all are as mystified by it as the child of seven. It is one of the things which we shall know only when we see God face to face."(God and Myself: An Inquiry Into The True Religion, p. 118)

    Catechism of the Roman Catholic Church, Paragraph 237:
    The Trinity is a mystery of faith in the strict sense, one of the “mysteries that are hidden in God, which can never be known unless they are revealed by God” (Dei Filius 4: DS 3015). To be sure, God has left traces of his Trinitarian being in his work of creation and in his Revelation throughout the Old Testament. But his inmost Being as Holy Trinity is a mystery that is inaccessible to reason alone or even to Israel’s faith before the Incarnation of God’s Son and the sending of the Holy Spirit.

    Bishop Beverage, Anglican:
    We are to consider the order of those persons in the Trinity described in the words before us in Matthew 28:19. First the Father and then the Son and then the Holy Ghost; everyone one of which is truly God. This is a mystery which we are all bound to believe, but yet must exercise great care in how we speak of it, it being both easy and dangerous to err in expressing so great a truth as this is. If we think of it, how hard it is to imagine one numerically divine nature in more than one and the same divine person. Or three divine persons in no more than one and the same divine nature. If we speak of it, how hard it is to express it.
    If I say, the Father, Son and Holy Ghost be three, and everyone a distinct God, it is false. I may say, God the Father is one God and the Son is one God, and the Holy Ghost is one God, but I cannot say that the Father is one God and the Son is another God and the Holy Ghost is a third God. I may say that the Father begat another who is God; yet I cannot say that He begat another God. I may say that from the Father and Son proceeds another who is God; yet I cannot say that from the Father and Son proceeds another God. For though their nature be the same their persons are distinct; and though their persons be distinct, yet still their nature is the same. So that, though the Father be the first person in the Godhead, the Son the second and the Holy Ghost the third, yet the Father is not the first, the Son the second and the Holy Ghost a third God.
    So hard it is to word so great a mystery aright; or to fit so high a truth with expressions suitable and proper to it, without going one way or another from it.Bishop Beverage, Private Thoughts, Part 2, 48, 49, cited by Charles Morgridge (1837), The True Believers Defence Against Charges Preferred by Trinitarians for Not Believing in the Deity of Christ. (Publisher: Boston: B. Greene.)

    J. L. Mosheim (D.D.), Lutheran:
    The subject of this fatal controversy, which kindled such deplorable divisions throughout the Christian world, was the doctrine of three Persons in the Godhead, a doctrine which in the three preceding centuries had happily escaped the vain curiosity of human researches, and have been left undefined and undetermined by any particular set of ideas.Ecclesiastical History (1863), from the translation by Murdock and Soames.

    Cardinal Wiseman:
    Who will pretend to say, that he can, by any stretch of his imagination or of his reasoning, see it possible how three persons in one God can be but one Godhead?" -Lectures, p. 370.

    Rev. Dr. Robert Flint, writing his article in the Encyclopedia Britannica on "Theism,":
    "This obligation (of explaining the various expressions 'Person,' 'substance,' 'divine generation,' and 'processions,' etc., etc., and the relation of 'substance and persons'; and the identity and inter-relation of the persons) could only be temporarily and partially evaded or concealed by representing the doctrine as 'a mystery' to be accepted simply on authority, or with blind faith."This plea of "mystery" has already received attention, but one is sorely tempted to introduce here an irrelevancy, to remark that if this doctrine truly be a mystery, it is beyond man's comprehension, and he therefore is not in a position to perceive nor to think thereon. Such a position, in spite of its absurdity and impossibility of thinking upon, or believing that which can be neither perceived nor comprehended, is what the Athanasian Creed, as already quoted, calls for:"The Father . . . the Son, and the Holy Ghost incomprehensible."It therefore is obvious of this doctrine that it is admittedly impossible to realize its definition, and accordingly the Creed itself is found contradictory and impossible within its own bounds, when it requires that:"He therefore that will be saved: must think thus of the Trinity."If the Creed which alone divulges this great system of mysteries cannot be discovered as an agreeable synthetic whole; how shall confidence be placed in its demands upon us in the most sacred doctrine of the Christian religion?

    "When it is proposed to me to affirm that 'in the unity of the Godhead there be three persons, of one substance, power, and eternity; the Father, the Son, and the Holy Ghost;' I have difficulty enough! my understanding is involved in perplexity, my conceptions bewildered in the thickest darkness. I pause, I hesitate; I ask what necessity there is for making such a declaration. . . . But does not this confound all our conceptions, and make us use words without meaning? I think it does. I profess and proclaim my confusion in the most unequivocal manner; I make it an essential part of my declaration. Did I pretend to understand what I say, I might be a Tritheist or an infidel; but I could not both worship the one true God, and acknowledge Jesus Christ to be Lord of all." -Lectures in Divinity, vol. ii., pp. 249-251.

    DR. JOHN WALLIS, another English Divine:
    "David was at the same time, son of Jesse, father of Solomon, and king of Israel. Now if three persons, in the proper sense of the word 'person' may be one man; what hinders but that three divine persons, in a sense metaphysical, may be one God? And what hinders but that the same God, distinguished according to these three considerations (those of God the Creator, or God the Father; God the Redeemer, or God the Son; and God the Sanctifier, or God the Holy Ghost) may fitly be said to be three persons? Or if the word 'person ' does not please, three 'somewhats,' that are but one God?" -Three Sermons, p. 61.

    DR. WM. SHERLOCK, Dean of St. Paul, disputant in "Trinity" Debate with Dr. South:
    "It is plain the persons are perfectly distinct, for they are three distinct and infinite minds, and therefore three distinct persons; for a person is an intelligent being; and to say there are three divine persons, and not three distinct infinite minds, is both heresy and nonsense. . . . Father, Son, and Holy Ghost are as really distinct persons as Peter, James and John." -Vindication of the Doctrine of the Trinity, sec. iv., p. 66, v. 105.REV. JOHN HUNT:"Person . . . could only mean an intelligent agent, and in this sense the same God could not be One and yet Three." -Religious Thought in England, vol. iii., p. 29.

    THE DUKE OF SUSSEX, one time President of Royal Society:
    "This I call at once dogma (the Trinity) and above our comprehension. If they be intelligent agents, they must have three independent wills of their own, and what becomes then of the Unity of the Deity? . . . We cannot be called upon to believe that which we do not understand, and which, after all, is only handed down to us by tradition." --(Quoted Stannus, Origin Doctrine Trinity, pp. 20, 21).
  • KidlatNgayonKidlatNgayon PEx Influencer ⭐⭐⭐
    Samantalang ayon sa biblia:

    Luke 24:44 Now He said to them, "These are My words which I spoke to you while I was still with you, that all things which are written about Me in the Law of Moses and the Prophets and the Psalms must be fulfilled." 45 Then He opened their minds to understand the Scriptures, 46 and He said to them, "Thus it is written, that the Christ would suffer and rise again from the dead the third day,

    Mark 16:15 And He said to them, "Go into all the world and preach the gospel to all creation. 16 "He who has believed and has been baptized shall be saved; but he who has disbelieved shall be condemned.

    To be saved one must hear the scriptures, understand, believe and be baptized.

    Who, in their right mind, would want to believe in a "mystery or mysteries", something that no one can not and will not understand, then hope that this will save them? Certainly NOT the Iglesia ni Cristo members! :D
  • sophionsophion PEx Veteran ⭐⭐
    Vatican City, Rome – Pope Francis said that people cannot be Christians without the Church, explaining that Christian identity is rooted in it and that believers cannot stand alone.

    there is a little bit of truth in that. kung di lumaganap ang Catholicism sa pinas eh di hindi nagkaroon ng INC. right? :D
  • KidlatNgayonKidlatNgayon PEx Influencer ⭐⭐⭐
    sophion wrote: »
    there is a little bit of truth in that. kung di lumaganap ang Catholicism sa pinas eh di hindi nagkaroon ng INC. right? :D

    Ang Katolisismo ay ang NATALIKOD (APOSTASIZED) na first century church of Christ. Nang mamatay nang lahat ang mga apostoles ng mismong Panginoong Hesus, naging libre na ang mga false preachers na dalhin sa direksiyong gusto nilang dalhin ang iglesia - Paganized Christianity, aptly named The Roman Catholic church.

    Hinayaan itong mangyari ng Ama at ng Panginoong Hesus sapagka't sila ang magdadala ng pangalang Cristo sa Pilipinas, ang lugar na napili ng Diyos na itatag muli ang tunay na iglesia ang Panginoong Hesukristo sa pamamagitan ni FYM.

    Isaiah 11:11
    Then it will happen on that day that the Lord Will again recover the second time with His hand The remnant of His people, who will remain, From Assyria, Egypt, Pathros, Cush, Elam, Shinar, Hamath, And from the islands of the sea.

    Isaiah 42:10
    Sing to the LORD a new song, Sing His praise from the end of the earth! You who go down to the sea, and all that is in it You islands, and those who dwell on them.

    Jeremiah 31:10
    King James Version (KJV)
    10 Hear the word of the Lord, O ye nations, and declare it in the isles afar off, and say, He that scattered Israel will gather him, and keep him, as a shepherd doth his flock.

    Isaiah 40:15-17
    Behold, the nations are like a drop from a bucket, And are regarded as a speck of dust on the scales; Behold, He lifts up the islands like fine dust. Even Lebanon is not enough to burn, Nor its beasts enough for a burnt offering. All the nations are as nothing before Him, They are regarded by Him as less than nothing and meaningless.

    Isaiah 66:19
    "I will set a sign among them and will send survivors from them to the nations: Tarshish, Put, Lud, Meshech, Tubal and Javan, to the distant coastlands that have neither heard My fame nor seen My glory And they will declare My glory among the nations.

    Isaiah 41:1
    "Coastlands, listen to Me in silence, And let the peoples gain new strength; Let them come forward, then let them speak; Let us come together for judgment.

    Isaiah 49:1
    Listen to Me, O islands, And pay attention, you peoples from afar The LORD called Me from the womb; From the body of My mother He named Me.

    Isaiah 59:18
    According to their deeds, so He will repay, Wrath to His adversaries, recompense to His enemies; To the coastlands He will make recompense.
  • KidlatNgayonKidlatNgayon PEx Influencer ⭐⭐⭐
    Catholic Church makes tradition above or equal to Scripture, but in actuality many of its traditions actually stem from pagan sun worship. Its teachings, beliefs and practices come from Mithraism—a form of paganism that existed in Babylonian times.

    These pagan practices are symbols of apostasy against God. Of this, the Twentieth Century Encyclopedia of Catholicism says the following:
    The missionary history of the [Catholic] Church clearly shows her adaptability to all races, all continents, all nations. In her liturgy and her art, in her tradition and the forming of her doctrine, naturally enough she includes Jewish elements, but also elements that are of pagan origin. In certain respects, she has copied her organization from that of the Roman Empire, has preserved and made fruitful the philosophical intuitions of Socrates, Plato and Aristotle, borrowed from both Barbarians and the Byzantine Roman Empire—but always remains herself, thoroughly digesting all elements drawn from external sources...In her laws, her ceremonies, her festivals and her devotions, she makes use of local customs after purifying them and "baptizing" them.

    In the Antichrist Identified section, we discussed how the four beasts of Daniel 7, representing the four successive world powers, took the religious rites and ceremonies from each preceding kingdom as it fell, so that Babylonian traditions continued through the ages. Rome, the final kingdom, still clings to these pagan traditions today.

    The Papacy claims that its system of worship has been handed down through tradition. They are absolutely correct. But these are not the teachings of Jesus, but rather the traditions of Babylon.

    Roman Catholic doctrines such as infant baptism, sprinkling during baptism, teachings on death and immortality, tonsured and celibate priests with power over the dead, prayers to the dead and to relics, repetitive prayers with the use of beads, doctrines on forgiveness of sins, teachings on hell, the mass, and Sunday worship are doctrines actually derived directly from ancient Babylon, not the Bible.

  • sophionsophion PEx Veteran ⭐⭐
    Ang Katolisismo ay ang NATALIKOD (APOSTASIZED) na first century church of Christ. Nang mamatay nang lahat ang mga apostoles ng mismong Panginoong Hesus, naging libre na ang mga false preachers na dalhin sa direksiyong gusto nilang dalhin ang iglesia - Paganized Christianity, aptly named The Roman Catholic church.

    natalikod man o hinde, kapag di dumating ang Catholicismo sa pinas eh di Muslim ka na ngayon. diba? :D

    miski naman si Felix Manalo eh dating Catholiko.
  • KidlatNgayonKidlatNgayon PEx Influencer ⭐⭐⭐
    sophion wrote: »
    natalikod man o hinde, kapag di dumating ang Catholicismo sa pinas eh di Muslim ka na ngayon. diba? :D

    miski naman si Felix Manalo eh dating Catholiko.

    Oo, pero sa plano ng Panginoong Diyos - ang nangyari ay ang nangyari. Bakit sa Pilipinas? Ito ang sabi ng biblia:

    1 Corinthians 1:27
    New International Version
    But God chose the foolish things of the world to shame the wise; God chose the weak things of the world to shame the strong.

    James 2:5
    Listen, my dear brothers and sisters: Has not God chosen those who are poor in the eyes of the world to be rich in faith and to inherit the kingdom he promised those who love him?

    Isaiah 44:25
    who foils the signs of false prophets and makes fools of diviners, who overthrows the learning of the wise and turns it into nonsense,

    Jeremiah 8:9
    The wise will be put to shame; they will be dismayed and trapped. Since they have rejected the word of the LORD, what kind of wisdom do they have?

    1 Corinthians 1:20
    Where is the wise person? Where is the teacher of the law? Where is the philosopher of this age? Has not God made foolish the wisdom of the world?

    1 Corinthians 1:21
    For since in the wisdom of God the world through its wisdom did not know him, God was pleased through the foolishness of what was preached to save those who believe.

    1 Corinthians 2:12
    What we have received is not the spirit of the world, but the Spirit who is from God, so that we may understand what God has freely given us.
  • sophionsophion PEx Veteran ⭐⭐
    Oo, pero sa plano ng Panginoong Diyos - ang nangyari ay ang nangyari. Bakit sa Pilipinas? Ito ang sabi ng biblia:

    are you saying that God used the Catholic Church in order to build manalo's INC?
  • KidlatNgayonKidlatNgayon PEx Influencer ⭐⭐⭐
    Spanish Conquest of the Philippines - round one.

    Spanish Wars - Ferdinand Magellan
    In March, 1521, Ferdinand Magellan was darting across the Pacific ocean when he thought he'd spot some land. It was a much-needed sight. He had just suffered a mutiny (one of the side effects of sailing through uncharted waters is that the crew tends to lose their patience) and had but three ships out of the five he initially had. He decided to stop and get some food and water.

    Now, besides being a successful sailor, he must have been a man with people skills. Ferdinand Magellan was quickly taken in by the natives and befriended their leader, the Sultan of Cebu. He promptly Christianized everybody, with the exception of one: Lapu Lapu. He was a tribal chief on the nearby island of Mactan who disliked Cebu and wouldn't accept his orders to be Christianized.

    It was fantastic opportunity for Magellan to showcase the power of his men and his weaponry. That'd show the natives how unwise it would be to not obey him. He decided to battle the Mactan tribe. After all, fighting natives seemed pretty easy.

    That was a fatal mistake. When he met the Mactans on their own island, he found about 1,500 ready to attack. They immediately recognized the captain and swarmed over him. After admirably surviving a few blows (an arrow in his shoulder and two hits on the head), Ferdinand Magellan died. The remaining crew was driven back to their boats. There were so few survivors, they easily squeezed into two vessels. They had to burn the other one to prevent the natives from chasing them.

    Lapu Lapu thus became the first native to victoriously resist the oppression of foreign colonists.

    The Return of the Spaniards

    It would be another 40 years until Spain finally attempted the Spanish conquest of the Philippines again. Namely, with the Miguel L?pez de Legazpi. This man, Spain's first royal governor, found his way to the islands from New Spain, or Spanish Mexico as we call it nowadays. He decided to name the islands after King Philip II. Working his way from Maynilad (what now is Manila), he moved Spain's sway up north. It is not known what he did when he met Lapu Lapu.

    The Philippines weren't the gold mine that Peru was. In fact, there were no spices or minerals that attracted Spanish attention. The islands' worth was more strategic than anything else: the islands were a fantastic stopover in the middle of the Pacific ocean, brimming with food and peaceful people. They learned from the Spanish how to grow corn and then watched their colonists move on to other, more lucrative endeavors. Luckily for the natives, the Spanish conquest of the Philippines was not as bloody as the American ones.


    Clearly divine intervention :D
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