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BREAKING NEWS: INC ends rallies after "agreement" with government

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ABS-CBN News Channel ‏@ANCALERTS 54 minutes ago

BREAKING: INC spokesperson Bienvenido Santiago says INC officially ends protest rallies all over PH

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ABS-CBN News Channel ‏@ANCALERTS 51 minutes ago

Santiago: Nagkausap ang mga panig ng INC at pamahalaan at sa paguusap na ito ay nagkapaliwanagan ang 2 panig, kaya payapa na ang lahat.


so ganun na lang yun? ganyan kahina ang gobyerno na hawak sa leeg at sa [email protected] ng mga Manalista!

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  • shock_and_aweshock_and_awe Member PEx Rookie ⭐
    ABS-CBN News Channel ‏@ANCALERTS 54 minutes ago

    BREAKING: INC spokesperson Bienvenido Santiago says INC officially ends protest rallies all over PH

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    ABS-CBN News Channel ‏@ANCALERTS 51 minutes ago

    Santiago: Nagkausap ang mga panig ng INC at pamahalaan at sa paguusap na ito ay nagkapaliwanagan ang 2 panig, kaya payapa na ang lahat.


    so ganun na lang yun? ganyan kahina ang gobyerno na hawak sa leeg at sa [email protected] ng mga Manalista!

    Pag pinadrop yung case sa prosecutor level, alam na.
  • __bahay__kubo____bahay__kubo__ Intellectually Stimulating PExer
    interesting ang list of demands ng mga Manalo at ng Sanggunian sa gobyerno:

    1. that the State will not interfere in INC's internal affairs
    2. that Leila de Lima will resign as DOJ Secretary

    hayop ah! :naughty: :glee:
  • zimatar33zimatar33 Member PExer
    For the past few days,
    lumitaw ang tunay na kulay ng INC Sanggunian,ni Grace Poe, Ni Binay at ng mga uto-***** INC members.
  • MilliardoMilliardo Team Valor PEx Influencer ⭐⭐⭐
    Pag pinadrop yung case sa prosecutor level, alam na.

    Yun na yun, but we will never forget--huwag nang iboto ang mga pulitiko na umanib sa INC issue. Grace Poe through one of her supporters offering an "apology"; sadly though the damage's been done.
  • bulldozerbulldozer Member PEx Rookie ⭐
    Ano ba ibig sabihin pag binaba sa prosecutor level?
  • shock_and_aweshock_and_awe Member PEx Rookie ⭐
    bulldozer wrote: »
    Ano ba ibig sabihin pag binaba sa prosecutor level?

    What I meant to say is that the prosecutor assigned to evaluate the case may just drop or dismiss the complaint if he either does not see any merit in the case or someone upstairs will tell him to do so.
  • bulldozerbulldozer Member PEx Rookie ⭐
    Sa palagay ko kase hanggang umaga lang naman ng ngayong araw yung extension ng permit. At since wala naman pumapansin sa kanila, at lalo pa silang kinaiinisan kaya tinigil na lang ni INC kalokohan nila. Kung aabot pa talaga sila hanggang bukas ewan ko na lang. Masamang imahe na yan sa gobyerno.


    Pero curious ako sa usapan ng government at INC. Di naman kase dapat nakikipagnegotiate ang gobyerno sa mga ganyang bagay dapat.
  • gotta lick itgotta lick it Member PEx Influencer ⭐⭐⭐
    what are the details of the negotiations?
  • skye_phoenixskye_phoenix 荒れ狂う稲光のシェルミー PEx Influencer ⭐⭐⭐
    Baka naman sinasabi lang ng INC na nagipag usap sa kinila ang gobyerno, para di sila mag mukhang ***** sa ginawa nilang rally? Lam mo naman mga INC, mga sinungaling.
  • gotta lick itgotta lick it Member PEx Influencer ⭐⭐⭐
    what are the details of the negotiations?

    so it is confirmed????

    DOJ Liala DeLima will resign just to save the presidential bid of Mar Roxas????





    putangeeena!!!
  • KidlatNgayonKidlatNgayon Member PEx Influencer ⭐⭐⭐
    Baka naman sinasabi lang ng INC na nagipag usap sa kinila ang gobyerno, para di sila mag mukhang ***** sa ginawa nilang rally? Lam mo naman mga INC, mga sinungaling.

    Huy, ikaw ang bintangera at sinungaling :D:D:D Putak ka nang putak kahit wala ka pang alam na totoo! Bahaha! Mahiya ka na sana *peace*
  • KidlatNgayonKidlatNgayon Member PEx Influencer ⭐⭐⭐
    interesting ang list of demands ng mga Manalo at ng Sanggunian sa gobyerno:

    1. that the State will not interfere in INC's internal affairs
    2. that Leila de Lima will resign as DOJ Secretary

    hayop ah! :naughty: :glee:

    Patunayan mo nga yung No. 2? O imbento mo na naman yan, anak ng Sinungaling! :D
  • KidlatNgayonKidlatNgayon Member PEx Influencer ⭐⭐⭐
    ABS-CBN News Channel ‏@ANCALERTS 54 minutes ago

    BREAKING: INC spokesperson Bienvenido Santiago says INC officially ends protest rallies all over PH

    ----

    ABS-CBN News Channel ‏@ANCALERTS 51 minutes ago

    Santiago: Nagkausap ang mga panig ng INC at pamahalaan at sa paguusap na ito ay nagkapaliwanagan ang 2 panig, kaya payapa na ang lahat.


    so ganun na lang yun? ganyan kahina ang gobyerno na hawak sa leeg at sa [email protected] ng mga Manalista!

    O, di WOW di ba? Hindi ba kayo nagtataka? Samantalang yung mga rapists na mga paring Katoliko kundi nakulong eh nagbabayad? :D:D:D
  • __bahay__kubo____bahay__kubo__ Intellectually Stimulating PExer
    INSIDE STORY: The end of the Iglesia ni Cristo protest
    Bea Cupin
    Published 10:00 PM, August 31, 2015
    Updated 10:07 PM, Aug 31, 2015

    MANILA, Philippines – On Sunday evening, August 30, at about dinner time, President Benigno Aquino III quietly convened some members of his Cabinet at Bahay Pangarap, his official residence.

    It was the 4th night of a vigil-protest staged by the influential but recently fragmented Iglesia ni Cristo (INC). The night before, an estimated 5,000 followers gathered at the EDSA-Shaw intersection, roused and fired up by ministers and emcees who ridiculed Justice Secretary Leila de Lima and expelled INC minister Isaias Samson Jr.

    "Hustisya!" they repeatedly cried, egged on by anti-administration Catholics and relatives of no less than the President – Jose "Peping" Cojuangco and his wife Margarita or "Tingting" – accompanied by another Aquino critic Pastor "Boy" Saycon. They called for justice in the name of the 44 Special Action Force (SAF) cops who were mercilessly slain in the bloody Mamasapano incident in Maguindanao.

    On Sunday night, steady pouring rain failed to douse the spirit of Iglesia brethren whose number had swelled to 20,000 at their peak. The permit given to them by the Mandaluyong City government was extended until Monday morning, August 31, by which time they should clear EDSA – among the busiest thoroughfares in the National Capital Region (NCR).

    There was talk of some opposition leaders making an appearance on EDSA. One of them reportedly declined, while another decided against it.

    In Bahay Pangarap, the President was joined by the big guns from the country’s security sector to discuss “developments” in the INC protests.

    Palace sources said the INC, at first, tried to bargain and wanted to meet with Aquino himself. This request was denied, according to a source privy to discussions.

    INC leaders also wanted two things from government: De Lima's head and the dropping of the serious illegal detention case filed by Samson against the local church’s current leaders. It was this case and the alleged overreach by the DOJ into the INC's supposed internal affairs that triggered the protests.

    Dispersal

    That Sunday, they threatened to bring in even more warm bodies, spilling over to the EDSA Shrine, icon of the People Power revolution that overthrew a dictator in 1986. Other contingents from the provinces continued to pour in even as separate mobilization of Iglesia followers had been planned in key cities in the Visayas and in Mindanao for Monday, August 31.

    Palace sources, however, said the government did not – and was not planning – to give in to either of the INC's demands. But the INC, whose influence spills over to local and national politics, refused to blink as well. (READ: How potent is the INC’s vote delivery system?)

    The energy and excitement had not waned on EDSA – red, white, and green flags were still being waved, young and old continued singing songs as darkness fell over the metro. As the hours passed, the deadline to clear EDSA was fast approaching.

    The lines of communication remained open, primarily through telephone. A source privy to talks between the INC and the Palace said the Iglesia's point person was its political affairs chief, Eraño "Erdz" Codera, said to be a provincemate of the President. Codera was not present during the late-night emergency meeting at Bahay Pangarap. Another source said they went through "middle men" without specifying who exactly.

    The President was presented with several options that night, which included dispersal if the INC overstayed and violated the conditions of their extended permit.

    The orders, though, never reached police forces on the ground, Rappler found out. By Sunday evening, the INC already made a commitment that its members would disperse come Monday morning, even if they still had a permit to hold their protest in the city of Manila.

    Factors

    So why did the local church, known to have considerable influence in local elections and in tight national contests, agree to disperse?

    Time and circumstance weren’t exactly on the INC’s side, explained a Palace source.

    The group had hoped to bring together at least half a million people to the streets, according to intelligence reports. On Saturday, emcees on the stage called on the police sympathetic to the SAF 44 to join the protest but efforts were for naught.

    Even within the INC, there were those who quietly or were anonymously opposed to the orders of their leaders. The 20,000 they managed to muster was a far cry from the initial 500,000 target, said one Palace source.

    “Division within, numbers, [lack of support] from the military and police, and weather,” is how one government official privy to the movements of the INC explained it.

    The INC also managed to “dilute” its own message, said another, when it allowed the anti-Aquino personalities on stage during its Saturday night protest.

    Saving face

    On Monday morning, INC’s general evangelist Bienvenido Santiago announced in a video: “Nais po naming ipabatid sa inyong lahat na nagkausap na po ang panig ng Iglesia at panig ng pamahalaan at sa pag-uusap na ito ay nagkapaliwanagan na po ang dalawang panig. Kaya payapa na po ang lahat.” (We'd like to inform you all that both the Iglesia and the government have spoken to each other and clarified matters. So all is well.)

    Government officials were cautious in their statements.

    Interior Secretary Manuel Roxas II said: “Noong mga nakaraang araw ay tahimik na nakipag-ugnayan ang pamahalaan sa mga lider ng INC. Naging pagkakataon ito upang magkaroon ng paglilinaw ukol sa mga isyu.” (The past few days, government officials and the INC’s leaders have been quietly meeting. These meetings provided a chance for both sides to clarify issues.)

    Palace spokesperson Secretary Edwin Lacierda cited “diplomacy” as an “important tool in avoiding unintended consequences” during the protest.

    The Iglesia-owned Eagle News, however, said, "Iglesia Ni Cristo General Evangelist Brother Bienvenido Santiago announced the end of the 5-day peaceful assembly, saying that the Iglesia Ni Cristo and the government have come into peaceful agreement."

    The word “agreement” immediately triggered alarm bells for politicians and ordinary citizens, who were all too aware of the INC’s influence in politics. Did it signal a deal or an arrangement involving the Iglesia leaders?

    Sources privy to discussions in the Palace insisted no concessions or compromises were made. “There was no agreement, it’s that simple,” said one source.

    But it took nearly 7 hours before the Palace released a more categorical statement on whether compromises had been made.

    “There was no deal struck, as some insist,” Deputy Presidential Spokesperson Abigail Valte said in a text message to reporters.

    Back to normal?

    By noon on Monday, Shaw Boulevard corner EDSA showed signs of normalcy: jeeps and buses full of INC members from all over Luzon were leaving, as city workers and fire marshals began cleaning up the mess they left behind.

    Come Tuesday, September 1, De Lima will return to work at the justice department – as if nothing ever happened.

    The influential local church, a Palace source said, walked away empty-handed. De Lima stays and the cases filed against the INC’s leaders will go through the usual process and will need to undergo preliminary investigation.

    But all is not lost for the INC.

    De Lima, who had announced her plans of seeking a Senate post in 2016, is set to resign from the Cabinet when she files her certificate of candidacy in October anyway. It will be a matter of time.

    “They say it’s an agreement so they save face. We’ll let them have their graceful exit,” said the Palace official.
  • __bahay__kubo____bahay__kubo__ Intellectually Stimulating PExer
    The real deal
    Jojo Robles
    Sep. 01, 2015 at 12:01am


    The deal is simple: Fire Justice Secretary Leila de Lima and dismiss the case of illegal detention filed against members of the Sanggunian of the Iglesia Ni Cristo. Then the Edsa rally will end.

    The protest action ended at mid-morning yesterday. The INC told its gathered faithful, who had come from all over Luzon, that an agreement had been reached with the government; they could go home now, because their demands had been met.

    Of course, Malaca?ang Palace has denied agreeing to any quid pro quo. The Aquino administration wants us desperately to believe that the rally on Edsa self-dispersed just as fast as it had gathered, for no apparent reason.

    But that was certainly not the case. The INC protesters were all set to march back to Manila, to the offices of the Department of Justice along Padre Faura Street, when word reached them that they could all leave peacefully.

    Had the INC not dispersed, who knows what the endgame would have been? At the very least, had the government not given in, the INC would never have left the area that had been given to them by the Mandaluyong City government, at the junction of Shaw Boulevard and Edsa, underneath the MRT station.

    Moving forward, it would be interesting to see how the government complies with the INC?s demands. It?s fair to expect that De Lima will fight any move to remove her, especially on the behest of the INC.

    Already, sources at the Justice Department say that De Lima has enough ammunition of her own against the Aquino administration to ensure that she is not removed. And De Lima has been with the administration from the very beginning, dutifully doing everything that Malaca?ang bid her do, as a ?good? justice secretary should.

    But in the process, De Lima has compiled an impressive amount of inside information that could be very damaging to the administration, if it decides to make a move against her. And if Malaca?ang fires the Justice Secretary, there will be hell to pay from an insider who would make Vice President Jejomar Binay look like a mere chismoso.

    This is what President Noynoy Aquino gets for not paying attention? and for freezing once again in the face of a crisis situation. Had the President only taken seriously the emissaries sent by the INC to him, who told him that De Lima was wrong to treat the case as a tool to bludgeon the church into submission ahead of an election, the rally would not even have happened.

    But Aquino could not be bothered when the problem was just a threat. And then he froze, not acting until the rally threatened to spill over from the long weekend and into the workweek, when it could really get ugly.

    And if Aquino had only acted right away when the rally started, he still could have defused the situation before it threatened to get out of hand. Now he must pay the piper and deliver De Lima?s head; that?s the deal and it?s always been the deal.

    There?s always a chance that Aquino will renege on his promise. But that?s a risk that he will have to take.

    * * *

    As for De Lima, if she had not been the poster girl for the administration of selective justice under this government, I would actually sympathize with her. But De Lima has never believed that this dispensation should be fair in going after those believed to have committed a crime?not when she stood by when Aquino absolved all his officials in the August 2010 hostage crisis at the Rizal Park and not when she refused to charge any of Aquino?s allies in the so-called ?third batch? of lawmakers who allegedly stole their pork barrel funds.

    In between, De Lima has defied the Supreme Court to jail former President Gloria Macapagal Arroyo and refused to prosecute anybody for the Mamasapano Massacre. She has loaned one of her undersecretaries to the Ombudsman just to make sure that the supposedly independent anti-graft prosecutor works hand-in-hand with the Executive in going after Aquino?s political enemies.

    De Lima has used her powers to file the flimsiest charges against people with the least apparent guilt while refusing to indict anyone allied to Aquino, or even to throw them in jail after their conviction. Now she wants to perpetrate the supreme insult on the populace by running for the Senate, leveraging the debt of gratitude that Aquino owes her and the fealty of the diminishing Yellow horde that catapulted him to the presidency in 2010.

    The INC may have erred in its methods, but that doesn?t make De Lima or her boss look any better. Given the methods employed over five years by Aquino, De Lima and the other top officials of this administration, they deserve to be pushed back by any means possible.
  • imanh0rnimanh0rn Member PEx Rookie ⭐
    The real deal
    Jojo Robles
    Sep. 01, 2015 at 12:01am


    The deal is simple: Fire Justice Secretary Leila de Lima and dismiss the case of illegal detention filed against members of the Sanggunian of the Iglesia Ni Cristo. Then the Edsa rally will end.

    The protest action ended at mid-morning yesterday. The INC told its gathered faithful, who had come from all over Luzon, that an agreement had been reached with the government; they could go home now, because their demands had been met.

    Of course, Malaca?ang Palace has denied agreeing to any quid pro quo. The Aquino administration wants us desperately to believe that the rally on Edsa self-dispersed just as fast as it had gathered, for no apparent reason.

    But that was certainly not the case. The INC protesters were all set to march back to Manila, to the offices of the Department of Justice along Padre Faura Street, when word reached them that they could all leave peacefully.

    Had the INC not dispersed, who knows what the endgame would have been? At the very least, had the government not given in, the INC would never have left the area that had been given to them by the Mandaluyong City government, at the junction of Shaw Boulevard and Edsa, underneath the MRT station.

    Moving forward, it would be interesting to see how the government complies with the INC?s demands. It?s fair to expect that De Lima will fight any move to remove her, especially on the behest of the INC.

    Already, sources at the Justice Department say that De Lima has enough ammunition of her own against the Aquino administration to ensure that she is not removed. And De Lima has been with the administration from the very beginning, dutifully doing everything that Malaca?ang bid her do, as a ?good? justice secretary should.

    But in the process, De Lima has compiled an impressive amount of inside information that could be very damaging to the administration, if it decides to make a move against her. And if Malaca?ang fires the Justice Secretary, there will be hell to pay from an insider who would make Vice President Jejomar Binay look like a mere chismoso.

    This is what President Noynoy Aquino gets for not paying attention? and for freezing once again in the face of a crisis situation. Had the President only taken seriously the emissaries sent by the INC to him, who told him that De Lima was wrong to treat the case as a tool to bludgeon the church into submission ahead of an election, the rally would not even have happened.

    But Aquino could not be bothered when the problem was just a threat. And then he froze, not acting until the rally threatened to spill over from the long weekend and into the workweek, when it could really get ugly.

    And if Aquino had only acted right away when the rally started, he still could have defused the situation before it threatened to get out of hand. Now he must pay the piper and deliver De Lima?s head; that?s the deal and it?s always been the deal.

    There?s always a chance that Aquino will renege on his promise. But that?s a risk that he will have to take.

    * * *

    As for De Lima, if she had not been the poster girl for the administration of selective justice under this government, I would actually sympathize with her. But De Lima has never believed that this dispensation should be fair in going after those believed to have committed a crime?not when she stood by when Aquino absolved all his officials in the August 2010 hostage crisis at the Rizal Park and not when she refused to charge any of Aquino?s allies in the so-called ?third batch? of lawmakers who allegedly stole their pork barrel funds.

    In between, De Lima has defied the Supreme Court to jail former President Gloria Macapagal Arroyo and refused to prosecute anybody for the Mamasapano Massacre. She has loaned one of her undersecretaries to the Ombudsman just to make sure that the supposedly independent anti-graft prosecutor works hand-in-hand with the Executive in going after Aquino?s political enemies.

    De Lima has used her powers to file the flimsiest charges against people with the least apparent guilt while refusing to indict anyone allied to Aquino, or even to throw them in jail after their conviction. Now she wants to perpetrate the supreme insult on the populace by running for the Senate, leveraging the debt of gratitude that Aquino owes her and the fealty of the diminishing Yellow horde that catapulted him to the presidency in 2010.

    The INC may have erred in its methods, but that doesn?t make De Lima or her boss look any better. Given the methods employed over five years by Aquino, De Lima and the other top officials of this administration, they deserve to be pushed back by any means possible.


    or vice versa, the ineptitude of @bNOy and DeLima doesn't abscond the INC.
  • Neil1984Neil1984 Member PExer
    Like my previous post, God will send rain to disperse them. But none heed that simple gesture of warning. The spirit of the church was wounded as brethren took the street with joy in their hearts, as if the whole endeavor was something that God will be pleased. And yes, the brethren chose to be part of the rally than attend worship service. The spirit is trembling not because of anger. Not because of any weakness. But because of disbelief. Brethren, our inability to understand the basic of faith, which is to prioritize God became a mystery for us. God gave us a warning ahead of time. That rain is a message, not a test of faith. Still trembling? Yes. But we are still fortunate. But if the spirit trembles because of scalating unrest, be warned. A tag of war is upon us. The North and South kingdoms wants us. Resist both and regain foothold.
  • r0gac1an0r0gac1an0 Member PExer
    Congratulations po sa mga umuwing luhaan na mga miyembro ng Iglesia na Culto ni Manalo!!

    De Lima for Senator in 2016!! :rotflmao:

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