real story of Lucifer?
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why is it not written in the Bible?
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Tanong natin sa mga believers ng sola scriptura0
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Archimedes wrote: »Tanong natin sa mga believers ng sola scriptura
Kung wala daw sa Bible hindi totoo..
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really??? wala daw ba talaga sa Bible? eh ano pang silbe ng paggawa ng mabuti at masama kung wala palang Lucifer sa Bible
or hindi niyo na naman nabasa (or as usual sa google lang nagrely kaya kala niyo na naman wala)?
diba may Bible din kayo? kaya nga nagcompile so tanungin niyo sarili niyo bakit di niyo sinama kung anong story ang hinahanap niyo
gusto niyo ba life story niya? baka asa satanic bible?
ah oo nga pala, obviously kita naman sa members niyo kung sino ang ginagaya nila sa mundong ito
tandaan niyo magkaiba ang quantity of members vs quality of members, so mag concentrate kayo paano niyo papatinuin ang catholic members, hindi iyong feeling entitled na kala sa kanila na ang kingdom porke't member ng largerst group, are your members really following God?, imbes mag sipag kayo sa Pex kakatype ng mga nakita sa net touch lives by explaining His words to the people
personally, hindi ako magiging proud nun, dinadaan lang sa dami kung bagsak naman ang lifestyle ng samahan0 -
renaissance11 wrote: »really??? wala daw ba talaga sa Bible? eh ano pang silbe ng paggawa ng mabuti at masama kung wala palang Lucifer sa Bible
or hindi niyo na naman nabasa (or as usual sa google lang nagrely kaya kala niyo na naman wala)?
diba may Bible din kayo? kaya nga nagcompile so tanungin niyo sarili niyo bakit di niyo sinama kung anong story ang hinahanap niyo
gusto niyo ba life story niya? baka asa satanic bible?
ah oo nga pala, obviously kita naman sa members niyo kung sino ang ginagaya nila sa mundong ito
tandaan niyo magkaiba ang quantity of members vs quality of members, so mag concentrate kayo paano niyo papatinuin ang catholic members, hindi iyong feeling entitled na kala sa kanila na ang kingdom porke't member ng largerst group, are your members really following God?, imbes mag sipag kayo sa Pex kakatype ng mga nakita sa net touch lives by explaining His words to the people
personally, hindi ako magiging proud nun, dinadaan lang sa dami kung bagsak naman ang lifestyle ng samahan
Sa mga arte mo dito akala moy ikaw pinaka holy. You have this holier-than-thou attitude. Who do you think you are? Baka sa taas ng kinalalagyan mo mas kulabog ang bagsak mo.
Catholics don't want that pedestal where you are now. Catholic Church members are sinners. That's what Jesus purpose here on earth, to be with the sinners and to save them. If you are already holy you don't need saving. So leave the sinners alone. We have our own apostolic successors to guide us. We don't need yours. You are already saved. You are once saved always saved. We don't believe in that.
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Read Genesis 3:15, Ezekiel 28, Isaiah 14, and Revelation 19:20.
This is currently under my study.
It seems to look like Satan had an offspring from Eve, for in Genesis it states that there were two different seeds (bloodlines); one from the serpent and from Adam's. There were also two different genealogies in Genesis -- one from Cain and one from Adam. In the Genesis story, it seems to show that Cain was the first born son of Adam. Then, next came another son named Abel. It shows that Eve gave birth to twins. However, what is particularity strange is that Cain was never mentioned in Adam's bloodline, only Abel as these verses shows:
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Gen. 5:
"1 This is the written account of Adams family line.
When God created mankind, he made them in the likeness of God. 2 He created them male and female and blessed them. And he named them Mankind when they were created.
3 When Adam had lived 130 years, he had a son in his own likeness, in his own image; and he named him Seth. 4 After Seth was born, Adam lived 800 years and had other sons and daughters. 5 Altogether, Adam lived a total of 930 years, and then he died.
6 When Seth had lived 105 years, he became the fatherb of Enosh. 7 After he became the father of Enosh, Seth lived 807 years and had other sons and daughters. 8 Altogether, Seth lived a total of 912 years, and then he died."
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Cain was never ever mentioned in Adam's bloodline which was really unusual. Cain was supposedly Adam's first born son. But, Cain seems like an outsider since his name was not on the family tree of Adam.
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Gen 4:25 Adam made love to his wife again, and she gave birth to a son and named him Seth, saying, God has granted me another child in place of Abel, since Cain killed him. 26 Seth also had a son, and he named him Enosh.
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These verses tells us that after Abel came Seth and that Adam said that Seth was in replacement for Abel. Replacement for what? Replacement for his FIRST BORN SON. Remember, if you include Cain, this makes Seth, the third son of Adam. But, third sons cannot be included in genealogies because it is usually the first born sons.
If Abel was the second son after Cain, then, no REPLACEMENT should be mentioned at all and Seth who is the third son should not be included in the genealogy. It will simply continue on with Cain, if Cain was really Adam's first born son. However, nowhere in the verse will state this. What was only shown were two distinct family trees; Adam's and Cain's.
Now, since this seems obvious, who in the world is Cain? What is he? Let us read these verses:
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Genesis 3
"14 So the Lord God said to the serpent,"
"15 And I will put enmity
between you and the woman,
and between your offspring and hers;"
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This plainly shows that the serpent had children. We all know who is the serpent, that is Satan himself. He is also called the Devil, the Dragon, the deceiver, the murderer, and the father of lies. So, how can he, a spirit, have children?
Could the Devil have managed to copy God who came in the flesh as Jesus Christ as God's Son?
Could the Devil have found a way to do this to come in the flesh as Cain as his son? To somehow copy the divine persons of God and to make Eve the pseudo virgin mother who will conceive his child, to become Satan in the flesh?
Didn't the Devil say he wants to be like the most High?
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Isaiah 14:14 "I will ascend above the tops of the clouds; I will make myself like the Most High."
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Therefore, I can safely say that Satan and Cain are ONE. Cain is Satan in the flesh doing after the works of his father, the Devil.
Since, Satan and Cain are ONE, therefore, we should no longer confuse between the two, for he and his father are ONE, for Cain is the exact representation and express image of his father.
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John 8:44 You belong to your father, the devil, and you want to carry out your father's desires. He was a murderer from the beginning, not holding to the truth, for there is no truth in him. When he lies, he speaks his native language, for he is a liar and the father of lies.
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When you read this particular verse, you will get confused because we know Cain was the first murderer. But, it shows the Devil, as the murderer. Therefore, this only tells us that Cain and Satan are ONE. One in the spirit and one in the flesh as his mere vessel to carry out his evil works in this world.
These verses will also show you this:
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Ezekiel 28:
"11 The word of the Lord came to me: 12 Son of man, take up a lament concerning the king of Tyre and say to him: This is what the Sovereign Lord says:
You were the seal of perfection, full of wisdom and perfect in beauty. 13 You were in Eden, the garden of God; every precious stone adorned you: carnelian, chrysolite and emerald, topaz, onyx and jasper, lapis lazuli, turquoise and beryl. Your settings and mounting were made of gold; on the day you were created they were prepared. 14 You were anointed as a guardian cherub, for so I ordained you."
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According to these verses, the King of Tyre was in the garden of Eden and that he was the anointed guardian cherub which is a high ranking angel. These previous verses will show you that he was also a man:
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8 They will bring you down to the pit, and you will die a violent death in the heart of the seas. 9 Will you then say, I am a god, in the presence of those who kill you? You will be but a mortal, not a god, in the hands of those who slay you. 10 You will die the death of the uncircumcised at the hands of foreigners.
These verses will also show the same thing:
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Isaiah 14:
"12 How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations! 13 For thou hast said in thine heart, I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God: I will sit also upon the mount of the congregation, in the sides of the north:14 I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will be like the most High. 15 Yet thou shalt be brought down to hell, to the sides of the pit. 16 They that see thee shall narrowly look upon thee, and consider thee, saying, Is this the man that made the earth to tremble, that did shake kingdoms;
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These verses shows that Lucifer is an ANGEL (son of the morning), the guardian cherub, but he was ALSO a man. He was also the king of Tyre who was in the garden of Eden. This is not some angel manifestation of man, rather, this was a real manifestation of the flesh because he can be killed.
This only confirms that Cain is Satan incarnate and I believe he is still living today and will take part in the coming end times as the beast who will sit as king in the 3rd temple of Jerusalem and he will claim himself as Christ to deceive a lot of people and faithfuls.
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Gen 4:15 But the LORD said to him, "Not so; anyone who kills Cain will suffer vengeance seven times over." Then the LORD put a mark on Cain so that no one who found him would kill him.[/I]
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I believe this is the same mark he will put on people in the end times.
Revelation 13:17 so that they could not buy or sell unless they had the mark, which is the name of the beast or the number of its name.
It is the mark of the beast which is 666. "Beast" because Satan's appearance in the spirit world is really an animal with four heads; cherub, lion, eagle, and human. It has four wings of a bird and under its wings are like human hands. Its body is all covered with eyes so that it can look everywhere to make it all seeing. It looks nothing like a human being, but a hideous chimera.
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Theatheist wrote: »Read Genesis 3:15, Ezekiel 28, Isaiah 14, and Revelation 19:20.
This is currently under my study.
It seems to look like Satan had an offspring from Eve, for in Genesis it states that there were two different seeds (bloodlines); one from the serpent and from the Adam's. There were also two different genealogies in Genesis -- one from Cain and one from Adam. In the Genesis story, it seems to show that Cain was the first born son of Adam. Then, next came another son named Abel. It shows that Eve gave birth to twins. However, what is particularity strange is that Cain was never mentioned in Adam's bloodline, only Abel as these verses shows:
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Gen. 5:
"1 This is the written account of Adams family line.
When God created mankind, he made them in the likeness of God. 2 He created them male and female and blessed them. And he named them Mankind when they were created.
3 When Adam had lived 130 years, he had a son in his own likeness, in his own image; and he named him Seth. 4 After Seth was born, Adam lived 800 years and had other sons and daughters. 5 Altogether, Adam lived a total of 930 years, and then he died.
6 When Seth had lived 105 years, he became the fatherb of Enosh. 7 After he became the father of Enosh, Seth lived 807 years and had other sons and daughters. 8 Altogether, Seth lived a total of 912 years, and then he died."
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Cain was never ever mentioned in Adam's bloodline which was really unusual. Cain was supposedly Adam's first born son. But, Cain seems like an outsider since his name was not on the family tree of Adam.
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Gen 4:25 Adam made love to his wife again, and she gave birth to a son and named him Seth, saying, God has granted me another child in place of Abel, since Cain killed him. 26 Seth also had a son, and he named him Enosh.
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These verses tells us that after Abel came Seth and that Adam said that Seth was in replacement for Abel. Replacement for what? Replacement for his FIRST BORN SON. Remember, if you include Cain, this makes Seth, the third son of Adam. But, third sons cannot be included in genealogies because it is usually the first born sons.
If Abel was the second son after Cain, then, no REPLACEMENT should be mentioned at all and Seth who is the third son should not be included in the genealogy. It will simply continue on with Cain, if Cain was really Adam's first born son. However, nowhere in the verse will state this. What was only shown were two distinct family trees; Adam's and Cain's.
Now, since this seems obvious, who in the world is Cain? What is he? Let us read these verses:
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Genesis 3
"14 So the Lord God said to the serpent,"
"15 And I will put enmity
between you and the woman,
and between your offspring and hers;"
---
This plainly shows that the serpent had children. We all know who is the serpent, that is Satan himself. He is also called the Devil, the Dragon, the deceiver, the murderer, and the father of lies. So, how can he, a spirit, have children?
Could the Devil have managed to copy God who came in the flesh as Jesus Christ as God's Son?
Could the Devil have found a way to do this to come in the flesh as Cain as his son? To somehow copy the divine persons of God and to make Eve the pseudo virgin mother who will conceive his child, to become Satan in the flesh?
Didn't the Devil say he wants to be like the most High?
---
Isaiah 14:14 "I will ascend above the tops of the clouds; I will make myself like the Most High."
---
Therefore, I can safely say that Satan and Cain are ONE. Cain is Satan in the flesh doing after the works of his father, the Devil.
Since, Satan and Cain are ONE, therefore, we should no longer confuse between the two, for he and his father are ONE, for Cain is the exact representation and express image of his father.
---
John 8:44 You belong to your father, the devil, and you want to carry out your father's desires. He was a murderer from the beginning, not holding to the truth, for there is no truth in him. When he lies, he speaks his native language, for he is a liar and the father of lies.
---
When you read this particular verse, you will get confused because we know Cain was the first murderer. But, it shows the Devil, as the murderer. Therefore, this only tells us that Cain and Satan are ONE. One in the spirit and one in the flesh as his mere vessel to carry out his evil works in this world.
These verses will also show you this:
---
Ezekiel 28:
"11 The word of the Lord came to me: 12 Son of man, take up a lament concerning the king of Tyre and say to him: This is what the Sovereign Lord says:
You were the seal of perfection, full of wisdom and perfect in beauty. 13 You were in Eden, the garden of God; every precious stone adorned you: carnelian, chrysolite and emerald, topaz, onyx and jasper, lapis lazuli, turquoise and beryl. Your settings and mounting were made of gold; on the day you were created they were prepared. 14 You were anointed as a guardian cherub, for so I ordained you."
---
According to these verses, the King of Tyre was in the garden of Eden and that he was the anointed guardian cherub which is a high ranking angel. These previous verses will show you that he was also a man:
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8 They will bring you down to the pit, and you will die a violent death in the heart of the seas. 9 Will you then say, I am a god, in the presence of those who kill you? You will be but a mortal, not a god, in the hands of those who slay you. 10 You will die the death of the uncircumcised at the hands of foreigners.
These verses will also show the same thing:
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Isaiah 14:
"12 How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations! 13 For thou hast said in thine heart, I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God: I will sit also upon the mount of the congregation, in the sides of the north:14 I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will be like the most High. 15 Yet thou shalt be brought down to hell, to the sides of the pit. 16 They that see thee shall narrowly look upon thee, and consider thee, saying, Is this the man that made the earth to tremble, that did shake kingdoms;
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These verses shows that Lucifer is an ANGEL (son of the morning), the guardian cherub, but he was ALSO a man. He was also the king of Tyre who was in the garden of Eden. This is not some angel manifestation of man, rather, this was a real manifestation of the flesh because he can be killed.
This only confirms that Cain is Satan incarnate and I believe he is still living today and will take part in the coming end times as the beast who will sit as king in the 3rd temple of Jerusalem and he will claim himself as Christ to deceive a lot of people and faithfuls.
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Gen 4:15 But the LORD said to him, "Not so; anyone who kills Cain will suffer vengeance seven times over." Then the LORD put a mark on Cain so that no one who found him would kill him.[/I]
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I believe this is the same mark he will put on people in the end times.
Revelation 13:17 so that they could not buy or sell unless they had the mark, which is the name of the beast or the number of its name.
It is the mark of the beast which is 666. "Beast" because Satan's appearance is really an animal with four heads; cherub, lion, eagle, and human. It has four wings of a bird and under its wings are like human hands. Its body is all covered with eyes so that it can look everywhere to make it all seeing. It looks nothing like a human being, but a hideous chimera.
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Partially you are correct. But there are few things I would like to clarify.
1. The Serpent in Eden is not Satan but a creature much like other animals. The Serpent is the first material victim of Satan. This can be verified when God put a curse on the serpent.
Genesis 3:14-15
14 So the Lord God said to the serpent, Because you have done this,
Cursed are you above all livestock
and all wild animals!
You will crawl on your belly
and you will eat dust
all the days of your life.
15 And I will put enmity
between you and the woman,
and between your offspring[a] and hers;
he will crush your head,
and you will strike his heel.
It must be noted that the Serpent represented as another race or class of animal. The question is, what happened to the serpents? They became evil spirits after they cease to exist materially. The bible verse describes them now as spirits.
Luke 10:19-20
9 Behold, I give unto you power to tread on serpents and scorpions, and over all the power of the enemy: and nothing shall by any means hurt you.
20 Notwithstanding in this rejoice not, that the spirits are subject unto you; but rather rejoice, because your names are written in heaven.
Regarding the fate of Cain, there are different beliefs about his origin. But I doubt the truth about it. The bible mentions that Cain left Garden of Eden, and live with his wife. They bore children.
So what has became of Cain's fate?
First we have to study his condition before the crime happened. Cain was a farmer.
After the crime, The curse affected his former work because the land will no longer yield any crops. His survival method was changed from farmer to something else.
The best description would be what has become of his descendants. Here are some of them.
20 And Adah bare Jabal: he was the father of such as dwell in tents, and of such as have cattle.
21 And his brother's name was Jubal: he was the father of all such as handle the harp and organ.
22 And Zillah, she also bare Tubalcain, an instructer of every artificer in brass and iron: and the sister of Tubalcain was Naamah.
What about the mark? What does it represent?
Humanity was still on the process of filling the earth. God could not afford anymore casualty. The mark was not exclusively created for protection from fellow human being alone. It was intended to protect him from everyone, and that includes the serpent race who became the mortal enemy of humanity.
The difficulty here is to determine what made Cain's descendants superior compared to other seeds of Adam and Eve in terms of human achievement considering the fact that God placed a curse on Him.
I could only speculate about that but the best explanation would be the verse below:
12 When you work the ground, it shall no longer yield to you its strength. You shall be a fugitive and a wanderer on the earth. 13 Cain said to the Lord, My punishment is greater than I can bear.[e] 14 Behold, you have driven me today away from the ground, and from your face I shall be hidden. I shall be a fugitive and a wanderer on the earth, and whoever finds me will kill me.
In my previous argument here on PEX, the Scorpions represented entities that has its own agenda. Scorpion is solitary in nature. They lost their link to God and they do not side with Satan either. Below are verses about wanderers.
Hosea 9:17
My God will cast them away Because they have not listened to Him; And they will be wanderers among the nations.
Jude 1:13
wild waves of the sea, casting up their own shame like foam; wandering stars, for whom the black darkness has been reserved forever.
Lamentations 4:15
"Depart! Unclean!" they cried of themselves "Depart, depart, do not touch!" So they fled and wandered; Men among the nations said, "They shall not continue to dwell with us."
Psalms 105:13
And they wandered about from nation to nation, From one kingdom to another people.0 -
Partially you are correct. But there are few things I would like to clarify.
1. The Serpent in Eden is not Satan but a creature much like other animals. The Serpent is the first material victim of Satan. This can be verified when God put a curse on the serpent.
Consider this verse with regards to the serpent:
Revelation 12:9 The great dragon was hurled down--that ancient serpent called the devil, or Satan, who leads the whole world astray. He was hurled to the earth, and his angels with him.
It is well known in the Bible that Satan is the serpent.It must be noted that the Serpent represented as another race or class of animal. The question is, what happened to the serpents? They became evil spirits after they cease to exist materially. The bible verse describes them now as spirits.
That is not written in the Bible. What was described about Satan was that he was a guardian cherub, an angel of high rank and that cherubs looked more like animals rather than man in the spiritual realm.Luke 10:19-20
9 Behold, I give unto you power to tread on serpents and scorpions, and over all the power of the enemy: and nothing shall by any means hurt you. 20 Notwithstanding in this rejoice not, that the spirits are subject unto you; but rather rejoice, because your names are written in heaven.
If you read from the start, it says:
Luke 10
"17 The seventy-two returned with joy and said, Lord, even the demons submit to us in your name.
Thus, Christ said:
18 He replied, I saw Satan fall like lightning from heaven.
Satan fell from heaven because his powers were simply defeated by the mere utterance of Christ's name. For Christ has given his disciples the "authority" and "power" over the enemy.
19 I have given you authority to trample on snakes and scorpions and to overcome all the power of the enemy; nothing will harm you. 20 However, do not rejoice that the spirits submit to you, but rejoice that your names are written in heaven.
The trampling of snakes and scorpions are merely metaphors to describe the evil demonic spiritual forces of Satan which are the fallen angels of heaven which can already be subdued. Angels come in different varieties and forms and they can inflict harm to a person, just like a snake and scorpion would. But, God has given his disciples the power to overcome the enemy.In my previous argument here on PEX, the Scorpions represented entities that has its own agenda. Scorpion is solitary in nature. They lost their link to God and they do not side with Satan either. Below are verses about wanderers.
Hosea 9:17
My God will cast them away Because they have not listened to Him; And they will be wanderers among the nations.
This verse does not talk about wandering scorpionite entities. The whole chapter talks about the whole of Israel who went astray and went after heathen idols.
Kindly read the whole chapter and not pick a single verse in order to fit what you are claiming.Jude 1:13
wild waves of the sea, casting up their own shame like foam; wandering stars, for whom the black darkness has been reserved forever.
The whole chapter talks about ungodly people not scorpionites.Psalms 105:13
And they wandered about from nation to nation, From one kingdom to another people.
The whole chapter talks about Israel and not scorpionites.
It seems that you do not like to read the whole chapter. Reading the whole chapter helps you understand the context of the verses you are quoting here.
Nobody ever reads a book by a single sentence. People normally read the whole chapter. Otherwise, you'll be missing out so much information by leaning unto your own understanding.0 -
ang dami dami kaya nakasulat tungkol kay Lucifer lalo na kung mag cacanvast ka sa ibang sekta, tiyak puro Satan ang maririnig mo sa mga pastor.
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Theatheist wrote: »Consider this verse with regards to the serpent:
Revelation 12:9 The great dragon was hurled down--that ancient serpent called the devil, or Satan, who leads the whole world astray. He was hurled to the earth, and his angels with him.
It is well known in the Bible that Satan is the serpent.
Revelation tells about an Ancient Serpent. Not just a Serpent. While in Genesis, the verse clearly indicates that it is part of animal creation.Theatheist wrote: »That is not written in the Bible. What was described about Satan was that he was a guardian cherub, an angel of high rank and that cherubs looked more like animals rather than man in the spiritual realm.
How could you say it is not written when I have given you the verse Luke 10:19-20? If you are referring to animal race or class, there are aquatic, aerial and land animals. The classification is found in Genesis 1.Theatheist wrote: »If you read from the start, it says:
Luke 10
"17 The seventy-two returned with joy and said, Lord, even the demons submit to us in your name.
Thus, Christ said:
18 He replied, I saw Satan fall like lightning from heaven.
Satan fell from heaven because his powers were simply defeated by the mere utterance of Christ's name. For Christ has given his disciples the "authority" and "power" over the enemy.
19 I have given you authority to trample on snakes and scorpions and to overcome all the power of the enemy; nothing will harm you. 20 However, do not rejoice that the spirits submit to you, but rejoice that your names are written in heaven.
The trampling of snakes and scorpions are merely metaphors to describe the evil demonic spiritual forces of Satan which are the fallen angels of heaven which can already be subdued. Angels come in different varieties and forms and they can inflict harm to a person, just like a snake and scorpion would. But, God has given his disciples the power to overcome the enemy.
You are implying that there is no distinction among them? Serpents and Scorpions are just Metaphors?
But Revelation had categorized them with different powers.
Revelation 9:9-11 (The Scorpions)
9 And the fifth angel blew his trumpet, and I saw a star fallen from heaven to earth, and he was given the key to the shaft of the bottomless pit.[a] 2 He opened the shaft of the bottomless pit, and from the shaft rose smoke like the smoke of a great furnace, and the sun and the air were darkened with the smoke from the shaft. 3 Then from the smoke came locusts on the earth, and they were given power like the power of scorpions of the earth. 4 They were told not to harm the grass of the earth or any green plant or any tree, but only those people who do not have the seal of God on their foreheads. 5 They were allowed to torment them for five months, but not to kill them, and their torment was like the torment of a scorpion when it stings someone. 6 And in those days people will seek death and will not find it. They will long to die, but death will flee from them.
7 In appearance the locusts were like horses prepared for battle: on their heads were what looked like crowns of gold; their faces were like human faces, 8 their hair like women's hair, and their teeth like lions' teeth; 9 they had breastplates like breastplates of iron, and the noise of their wings was like the noise of many chariots with horses rushing into battle. 10 They have tails and stings like scorpions, and their power to hurt people for five months is in their tails. 11 They have as king over them the angel of the bottomless pit. His name in Hebrew is Abaddon, and in Greek he is called Apollyon.
Revelation 9:13-19 (The Serpents)
13 Then the sixth angel blew his trumpet, and I heard a voice from the four horns of the golden altar before God, 14 saying to the sixth angel who had the trumpet, Release the four angels who are bound at the great river Euphrates. 15 So the four angels, who had been prepared for the hour, the day, the month, and the year, were released to kill a third of mankind. 16 The number of mounted troops was twice ten thousand times ten thousand; I heard their number. 17 And this is how I saw the horses in my vision and those who rode them: they wore breastplates the color of fire and of sapphire[c] and of sulfur, and the heads of the horses were like lions' heads, and fire and smoke and sulfur came out of their mouths. 18 By these three plagues a third of mankind was killed, by the fire and smoke and sulfur coming out of their mouths. 19 For the power of the horses is in their mouths and in their tails, for their tails are like serpents with heads, and by means of them they wound.
Theatheist wrote: »This verse does not talk about wandering scorpionite entities. The whole chapter talks about the whole of Israel who went astray and went after heathen idols.
Kindly read the whole chapter and not pick a single verse in order to fit what you are claiming.
The whole chapter talks about ungodly people not scorpionites.
The whole chapter talks about Israel and not scorpionites.
It seems that you do not like to read the whole chapter. Reading the whole chapter helps you understand the context of the verses you are quoting here.
Nobody ever reads a book by a single sentence. People normally read the whole chapter. Otherwise, you'll be missing out so much information by leaning unto your own understanding.
Generally OT talks about Israelite. There is no doubt about it. But their bloodlines traces back to first humanity.0 -
Revelation tells about an Ancient Serpent. Not just a Serpent. While in Genesis, the verse clearly indicates that it is part of animal creation.
If you have read everything, it only points to Satan the serpent. Genesis, Revelation, and the other verses I mentioned here all points to Satan. He was in the garden of Eden as the guardian cherub; the angel who committed iniquity.
Angels are created beings, although, they are spirits. They are created like animals and not humans or in the image of God. Only mankind were created in the image of God. They were described in the Bible as hideous animal chimeras; beast-like mix creatures in the spiritual realms. Forget what media has painted them to look like; rosy cheeked toddlers with wings. The truth is really far from it.
In an online etymology, cherub means:
"The cherubim, a common feature of ancient Near Eastern mythology, are not to be confused with the round-cheeked darlings of Renaissance iconography. The root of the terms either means "hybrid" or, by an inversion of consonants, "mount," "steed," and they are winged beasts, probably of awesome aspect, on which the sky god of the old Canaanite myths and of the poetry of Psalms goes riding through the air. [Robert Alter, "The Five Books of Moses," 2004, commentary on Gen. iii:24]"
http://www.etymonline.com/index.php?term=cherub
Genesis 3:1 Now the serpent was the most cunning of all the wild animals that the LORD God had made. He said to the woman, "Did God really say, 'You can't eat from any tree in the garden?" .
From this verse and from an online etymology, we can tell that this guardian cherub was referred to as an animal as what they really are; animal-like creatures in the spiritual realm. Although, looking like animals, they have intelligence and powers far superior than man. They are able to communicate intelligently. But, still, they are not created in the image and likeness of God. They are created in the image of animals, thus, they are beast like creatures in the spiritual realms.
Kindly note that Satan wasn't called a serpent at first. He was a guardian cherub. He looked like a cherub when he talked with Eve. When the cherub dealt with Eve craftily and insidiously, making her sin, God cursed this angel to crawl on his belly like a serpent to fit his sin with his punishment. Serpents are well known in the wild to be cunning and crafty creatures in order to catch their prey, thus, this sinning angel was cursed to have a form of a serpent forever. This was his due.
When you read this verse:
Gen. 3:14 So the LORD God said to the serpent, "Because you have done this, "Cursed are you above all livestock and all wild animals! You will crawl on your belly and you will eat dust all the days of your life.
Since, angels were created in the image of animals, this verse has accurately described them since they really looked like beasts.But Revelation had categorized them with different powers.
Revelation 9:9-11 (The Scorpions)
7 In appearance the locusts were like horses prepared for battle: on their heads were what looked like crowns of gold; their faces were like human faces, 8 their hair like women's hair, and their teeth like lions' teeth; 9 they had breastplates like breastplates of iron, and the noise of their wings was like the noise of many chariots with horses rushing into battle. 10 They have tails and stings like scorpions, and their power to hurt people for five months is in their tails.
Nowhere in this chapter talks about scorpions. Kindly read the description of this creature. It doesn't look anywhere like a scorpion. It has a face like a human and long hair like a woman and has teeth like a lion. It also only said this creature had a tail and stinger "like" a scorpion. It did not say it is a scorpion's tail or a scorpion.Revelation 9:13-19 (The Serpents)
17 And this is how I saw the horses in my vision and those who rode them: they wore breastplates the color of fire and of sapphire[c] and of sulfur, and the heads of the horses were like lions' heads, and fire and smoke and sulfur came out of their mouths. 18 By these three plagues a third of mankind was killed, by the fire and smoke and sulfur coming out of their mouths. 19 For the power of the horses is in their mouths and in their tails, for their tails are like serpents with heads, and by means of them they wound.
Kindly read the description of this creature again. Do they look like snakes? Do serpents have lion's head or have bodies of horses? Their tails only looked like snakes in which to harm but they are far from looking like serpents.
Obviously, these creatures are mixed animals just like angels. I believe these are merely angels who have an angelic king over them. Whether they have manifested physically, we do not know.
Please do read these verses in its entirety and not because you read the words scorpion or snake it is already describing such animals. You're missing out a lot of things by picking and reading verses which only suits your ideas.0 -
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why is it not written in the Bible?
http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/sociopolitica/sociopol_newage08.htm0 -
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There are a lot of things that are NOT written in the BIBLE that are true.
anti-solascrituralist are just dumb not to understand that we just believe every word of the Bible as true, AND will hesitate to belive anything that is AGAINST what the Bible say.
sa bible walang word na internet, alanganaman di kami maniwala sa existence ng internet?0 -
@Theatheist
The accuracy of determining a verse as symbolical or actual entity lies not on the bible scholars but rather by the different biblical characters who actually have the first hand experience of it.
Let's say your artistic expression of the cherub, the beast, etc. The artistic rendition of these entities are based on the biblical description but none of them actually had first hand visual experience.
The cultures of different ancient people across the globe had depicted several Serpent like beings which according to their tradition were considered gods. These ancient cultures predates even the Israelite.
The question is, are they real?0 -
The Scorpions represent a variety of spirit entities. It doesn't look like a scorpion but it functions like a scorpion.
I am making myself clear, these are not demons. The commander of fallen angels is Satan or Lucifer.
The commander of the Scorpions is the Lord of Abaddon.
Pinagpipilitan talaga!
Meron bang nakasulat na Lucifer sa Bible??0
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