Felix Manalo Failed Prophecies
TLG
The Dark Knight
Neil now is your chance to prove your claim
1. What's written in the bible: The 4 angels were tasked to hold the wind to prevent harming the earth.
What the INC claim: The 4 angels were the big 4
What really happened: The big 4 convened after the war, they failed preventing the wind from harming the earth in the first place, and worst an even larger wind broke during WW2.
2. What's written in the bible: The 5th angel spoke to the big 4 was tasked to seal the tribe of Israel
What the INC claim: Felix Manalo was the 5th angel
What really happened: The big 4 never knew manalo, manalo did not seal any tribe of israel aside from Filipinos.
3. What's written in the bible: The 5th angel ascended and commanded the 4 angels to not harm the earth
What the INC claim: Felix Manalo was the 5th angel
What really happened: Manalo ascended July 27, 1914 supposedly to call to the 4 angels to not harm the earth and the seas... a day after, July 28, 1914 after manalo ascended, WW1 broke out and everything was harmed!
4. What's written in the bible: The 5th angel ascended and talked to the 4 angles
What the INC claim: Felix Manalo was the 5th angel, the big 4 were the 4 angels
What really happened: Manalo ascended July 27, 1914 supposedly to call to the 4 angels, the problem was...the big four was formed 5 years later in 1919... so manalo ascended with no one to shout to for 5 years!
So neil.. did manalo's prophecies fit well?
1. What's written in the bible: The 4 angels were tasked to hold the wind to prevent harming the earth.
What the INC claim: The 4 angels were the big 4
What really happened: The big 4 convened after the war, they failed preventing the wind from harming the earth in the first place, and worst an even larger wind broke during WW2.
2. What's written in the bible: The 5th angel spoke to the big 4 was tasked to seal the tribe of Israel
What the INC claim: Felix Manalo was the 5th angel
What really happened: The big 4 never knew manalo, manalo did not seal any tribe of israel aside from Filipinos.
3. What's written in the bible: The 5th angel ascended and commanded the 4 angels to not harm the earth
What the INC claim: Felix Manalo was the 5th angel
What really happened: Manalo ascended July 27, 1914 supposedly to call to the 4 angels to not harm the earth and the seas... a day after, July 28, 1914 after manalo ascended, WW1 broke out and everything was harmed!
4. What's written in the bible: The 5th angel ascended and talked to the 4 angles
What the INC claim: Felix Manalo was the 5th angel, the big 4 were the 4 angels
What really happened: Manalo ascended July 27, 1914 supposedly to call to the 4 angels, the problem was...the big four was formed 5 years later in 1919... so manalo ascended with no one to shout to for 5 years!
So neil.. did manalo's prophecies fit well?
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Actually its an old issue. Way too old. That is our belief. Totally different from yours. Mr. Vendetta, try to dig deeper into your religion. You claim your religion to be very old. Start there. Not with the doctrine.
I don't want to spark any issue. I want you to find it yourself.0 -
Actually its an old issue. Way too old. That is our belief. Totally different from yours. Mr. Vendetta, try to dig deeper into your religion. You claim your religion to be very old. Start there. Not with the doctrine.
I don't want to spark any issue. I want you to find it yourself.
I will give you the chance to prove that manalo's prophecies fit well with history... explain here to us your research and how it fits mr. manalo's prophecies....
Nagyayabang ka db that history backed up the claims of manalo, now is your chance. If you will not do it here, then what you claim as searching and researching for the truth are all just lip services...0 -
Hindi ko nireject ang INC dahil sa bukang bibig nila puro Bibliya, nireject ko ang turo nila dahil obvious na self proclaimed sugo lang ang pinagmulan nito- si Felix Manalo.
Kung huling sugo si Felix, ano si Ed? Pangatlong huli? Haha0 -
TLG,
ang sabi sa akin ng kaibigan ko, nahinto naman daw ang digmaan sa pamamagitan ng isang treaty. kaya hindi din tumuloy ang digmaan. yun pagitan ng ww1 at ww2 naman, yan daw yun sinasabing "katahimikan" sa biliya.
naalala ko may tanong ako patungkol dito. baka may makasagot.
- paano kung yun big 4 or apat na anghel ay hindi kristiyano? meron bang kapangyarihan and Diyos na utusan o ikasangkapan sila?
- maaari bang tawagin pa ding anghel yung apat kung hindi sila sa Diyos o kaanib ng INC?
- paano nasabihan ni FYM (5th angel) yun apat na anghel? pinuntahan ba niya yun apat?0 -
TLG,
ang sabi sa akin ng kaibigan ko, nahinto naman daw ang digmaan sa pamamagitan ng isang treaty. kaya hindi din tumuloy ang digmaan. yun pagitan ng ww1 at ww2 naman, yan daw yun sinasabing "katahimikan" sa biliya.
Malayo nga sa realidad ang pinagsasabi ng INC...
3. What's written in the bible: The 5th angel ascended and commanded the 4 angels to not harm the earth
What the INC claim: Felix Manalo was the 5th angel
What really happened: Manalo ascended July 27, 1914 supposedly to call to the 4 angels to not harm the earth and the seas... a day after, July 28, 1914 after manalo ascended, WW1 broke out and everything was harmed!
1. What's written in the bible: The 4 angels were tasked to hold the wind to prevent harming the earth.
What the INC claim: The 4 angels were the big 4
What really happened: The big 4 convened after the war, they failed preventing the wind from harming the earth in the first place, and worst an even larger wind broke during WW2.
Bale ang stand na lang ng INC eh "medyo tumugma naman, ok na yan"
Ang tamang propesiya dapat eh 100% accurate hindi yung tamang hinala lang..naalala ko may tanong ako patungkol dito. baka may makasagot.
- paano kung yun big 4 or apat na anghel ay hindi kristiyano? meron bang kapangyarihan and Diyos na utusan o ikasangkapan sila?
- maaari bang tawagin pa ding anghel yung apat kung hindi sila sa Diyos o kaanib ng INC?
- paano nasabihan ni FYM (5th angel) yun apat na anghel? pinuntahan ba niya yun apat?
Yan ang kalokohan ng turo ng INC... sabi nila si martin luther daw yung anghel na sumisigaw na bumagsak na ang babilonia.. ang problema si luther ay isang protestante na ayon din sa mga INC ay mga sa demonyo.. so si luther na sumisigaw na bumagsak na ang babilonia eh isang sa demonyong anghel at ang mas nakakatuwa eh naniwala sa kanya ang INC.. naniwala ang INC sa isang sa demonyong anghel! 0 -
Alaskador11 wrote: »Hindi ko nireject ang INC dahil sa bukang bibig nila puro Bibliya, nireject ko ang turo nila dahil obvious na self proclaimed sugo lang ang pinagmulan nito- si Felix Manalo.
to some extent agree ako dito
INC (or any other Christian groups not named Catholics) ay malalim talaga ang knowledge sa bible, and this understanding will naturally translate in being a good person (follows God)
we've seen it naman, in your neighborhood/office, ok naman yang mga INC, mababait, takot gumawa ng kasalanan, mga katoliko pa nga ang garapalan sa kasalanan, kasi mangmang, they rely on their own understanding of right/wrong
but INC's foundation is wrong, mababaw pa sa akin si Manalo ay sugo (which is wrong naman, failed na failed ang prophecy dinedepensahan pa), pero gawin mo ba namang si Kristo tao lang, that is unforgivable
kaya sayang talaga ang disiplina na INC, pero kung makakalipat pa sila sa tama, they are way way way way way better than Catholics
foundation (Jesus Christ is God) ---> RCC
knowledge (head knowledge) ---> INC
application (heart/wisdom/follows the word of God in everyday life) ---> INC0 -
ano ba talagang pinanghahawakan ng mga miyembro sa INC kung yung mga propesiya ay palpak at yung mga paninira eh mga miscitations lang????
grabeng pagkaka-brainwashed naman ito....
Alam nama nila na peke si Felix at puro kopya lang sa iba ang INM.
Kaya lang hindi na sila makaailis dahil ang pamilya nila ay nandoon na, at ang lahat ng kaibigan nila ay puros kasapi sa INM.
Pinagbabawal kasi sa kanila na makipagkaibigan sa hindi manalista.0 -
19 I will personally deal with anyone who will not listen to the messages the prophet proclaims on my behalf. 20 But any prophet who falsely claims to speak in my name or who speaks in the name of another god must die. Deut 18
Diyan pa lang sa verse na yan dapat matakot na mga naniniwala sa pinagsasabi ni manalo eh... hindi pa kasali yung verse na "sumapain ang nagtitiwala sa tao"..0 -
Mr. Vendetta magrelax ka muna. Phone gamit ko at hindi pa ayos connection ko sa bahay. Change ako ng ISP.
Right now I'm investigating spiral patterns in the windows of my house. Very odd. Just found this morning. I will show it to my wife when we get home.
I had to confirm its energy source.0 -
Mr. Vendetta magrelax ka muna. Phone gamit ko at hindi pa ayos connection ko sa bahay. Change ako ng ISP.
Right now I'm investigating spiral patterns in the windows of my house. Very odd. Just found this morning. I will show it to my wife when we get home.
I had to confirm its energy source.
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Neil now is your chance to prove your claim
1. What's written in the bible: The 4 angels were tasked to hold the wind to prevent harming the earth.
What the INC claim: The 4 angels were the big 4
What really happened: The big 4 convened after the war, they failed preventing the wind from harming the earth in the first place, and worst an even larger wind broke during WW2.
2. What's written in the bible: The 5th angel spoke to the big 4 was tasked to seal the tribe of Israel
What the INC claim: Felix Manalo was the 5th angel
What really happened: The big 4 never knew manalo, manalo did not seal any tribe of israel aside from Filipinos.
3. What's written in the bible: The 5th angel ascended and commanded the 4 angels to not harm the earth
What the INC claim: Felix Manalo was the 5th angel
What really happened: Manalo ascended July 27, 1914 supposedly to call to the 4 angels to not harm the earth and the seas... a day after, July 28, 1914 after manalo ascended, WW1 broke out and everything was harmed!
4. What's written in the bible: The 5th angel ascended and talked to the 4 angles
What the INC claim: Felix Manalo was the 5th angel, the big 4 were the 4 angels
What really happened: Manalo ascended July 27, 1914 supposedly to call to the 4 angels, the problem was...the big four was formed 5 years later in 1919... so manalo ascended with no one to shout to for 5 years!
So neil.. did manalo's prophecies fit well?
The prophecy in revelation 7:2-3 states that the other angel cried to the four angels when he was already ascending and not during the inception of his work. The four angels who symbolized the Big Four in the Peace Conference in Versailles (Wilson, Lloyd George, Clemenceau, and Orlando) met in 1919 and the peace treaty they signed ended the First World War.
At that time, the evangelical work of Brother Felix Manalo who was referred to in the prophecy as the other angel was referred to in the prophecy as the other angel was well on its way. By then, he was already recognized by preachers of other religions. Local congregations of the Iglesia ni Cristo were already established.
In 1919, when the four angels were fulfilling their designated tasks, the work of the other angel which started in 1914 was already manifested was seen ascending from the east.
--- According to the verse, the other angel ascending from the east would seal the servants of our God on their foreheads before the four angels would release the winds of war. When the Big Four met in Versailles , World War I was already over. How could the Big Four hold back the winds or the war when the war occurred even before they met?
The prophecy states that war would have first broken out before the four angels were seen holding the winds, meaning the war. The preceding verses (chapter 6, verses 14-17) speak of the departing of the heaven which caused all kinds of people kings, great men, rich men, chief captains, mighty men, every bondman and every free man to hide themselves in the dens and in the rocks of the mountains because of that conflagration which historians dubbed the Great War or the First World War.
After these things, so the prophecy continued, the four angels were seen holding the winds. In fact the conference of the Big Four took place after the war had been waged, for had it not yet broken out, what winds would these angels be holding?
It was at the time the four angels were holding the winds, that is, the war, that the other angel was seen ascending from the east sealing the servants of God. As it was foretold, so did it happen.
-- The angel from the east cried with a loud voice to the four angels. Does this mean that Mr. Felix Manalo actually spoke to the Big Four?
We do not teach that. We have never said that Brother Felix Manalo communicated with any of the Big Four nor did we ever say that the Big Four acknowledged that they were the four angels mentioned in Revelation 7:1.
The cry of the other angel should not be taken literally. It signifies the stark contrast between his work which is evangelization and salvation and that of the four angels which was purely secular and had something to do with the destruction through war. Whether or not the Big Four acknowledged that they were the four angels mentioned in that prophecy does not alter the truth that they fulfilled the prophecy concerning the angels that held the winds in Revelation 7:1.
The Big Four were called angels in the prophecy because they were messengers (angels) of their respective nations (cf. I Pt. 2:13 -14; Is. 14:32). They were Wilson of the U.S.A. , Lloyd George of Great Britain , Orlando of Italy, and Clemenceau of France.
Leaders of nations are also called by the Bible as ministers of God (cf. Rom. 13:3-4). They are sent neither to preach the gospel nor to establish a nation of God, but to serve Gods purpose similar to that which was fulfilled by leaders of ancient nations who, whether they acknowledged Him or not, were sent by God and called by Him as His servants.
The pagan Nebuchadnezzar was sent by God: Thus saith the Lord of hosts, the God of Israel; Behold, I will send and take Nebuchadnezzar the king of Babylon , my servant (Jer. 43:10-11).
Of Cyrus, God said, He is my shepherd, and shall perform all my pleasure (Is. 44:28). Thus saith the Lord to his anointed, to Cyrus, whose right hand I have holden, to subdue nations before him; (Is. 45:1).
Babylon and Persia were not the chosen nations of God in ancient times. And yet their leaders had once served Gods purpose.
--Since the U.S. did not join the war until 1917, when Mr. Felix Manalo registered the Iglesia ni Cristo in 1914, there was no Big Four yet. There would have been only three of the angels.
The four angels or the Big Four, as we have stated above, performed their tasks in the Peace Conference in 1919. It was during this time that the other angel was seen in a vision ascending from the east, not during or before the entrance of the United States in the war.0 -
KidlatNgayon wrote: »The prophecy in revelation 7:2-3 states that the other angel cried to the four angels when he was already ascending and not during the inception of his work. The four angels who symbolized the Big Four in the Peace Conference in Versailles (Wilson, Lloyd George, Clemenceau, and Orlando) met in 1919 and the peace treaty they signed ended the First World War.
At that time, the evangelical work of Brother Felix Manalo who was referred to in the prophecy as the other angel was referred to in the prophecy as the other angel was well on its way. By then, he was already recognized by preachers of other religions. Local congregations of the Iglesia ni Cristo were already established.
In 1919, when the four angels were fulfilling their designated tasks, the work of the other angel which started in 1914 was already manifested was seen ascending from the east.
--- According to the verse, the other angel ascending from the east would seal the servants of our God on their foreheads before the four angels would release the winds of war. When the Big Four met in Versailles , World War I was already over. How could the Big Four hold back the winds or the war when the war occurred even before they met?
The prophecy states that war would have first broken out before the four angels were seen holding the winds, meaning the war. The preceding verses (chapter 6, verses 14-17) speak of the departing of the heaven which caused all kinds of people kings, great men, rich men, chief captains, mighty men, every bondman and every free man to hide themselves in the dens and in the rocks of the mountains because of that conflagration which historians dubbed the Great War or the First World War.
After these things, so the prophecy continued, the four angels were seen holding the winds. In fact the conference of the Big Four took place after the war had been waged, for had it not yet broken out, what winds would these angels be holding?
It was at the time the four angels were holding the winds, that is, the war, that the other angel was seen ascending from the east sealing the servants of God. As it was foretold, so did it happen.
-- The angel from the east cried with a loud voice to the four angels. Does this mean that Mr. Felix Manalo actually spoke to the Big Four?
We do not teach that. We have never said that Brother Felix Manalo communicated with any of the Big Four nor did we ever say that the Big Four acknowledged that they were the four angels mentioned in Revelation 7:1.
The cry of the other angel should not be taken literally. It signifies the stark contrast between his work which is evangelization and salvation and that of the four angels which was purely secular and had something to do with the destruction through war. Whether or not the Big Four acknowledged that they were the four angels mentioned in that prophecy does not alter the truth that they fulfilled the prophecy concerning the angels that held the winds in Revelation 7:1.
The Big Four were called angels in the prophecy because they were messengers (angels) of their respective nations (cf. I Pt. 2:13 -14; Is. 14:32). They were Wilson of the U.S.A. , Lloyd George of Great Britain , Orlando of Italy, and Clemenceau of France.
Leaders of nations are also called by the Bible as ministers of God (cf. Rom. 13:3-4). They are sent neither to preach the gospel nor to establish a nation of God, but to serve Gods purpose similar to that which was fulfilled by leaders of ancient nations who, whether they acknowledged Him or not, were sent by God and called by Him as His servants.
The pagan Nebuchadnezzar was sent by God: Thus saith the Lord of hosts, the God of Israel; Behold, I will send and take Nebuchadnezzar the king of Babylon , my servant (Jer. 43:10-11).
Of Cyrus, God said, He is my shepherd, and shall perform all my pleasure (Is. 44:28). Thus saith the Lord to his anointed, to Cyrus, whose right hand I have holden, to subdue nations before him; (Is. 45:1).
Babylon and Persia were not the chosen nations of God in ancient times. And yet their leaders had once served Gods purpose.
--Since the U.S. did not join the war until 1917, when Mr. Felix Manalo registered the Iglesia ni Cristo in 1914, there was no Big Four yet. There would have been only three of the angels.
The four angels or the Big Four, as we have stated above, performed their tasks in the Peace Conference in 1919. It was during this time that the other angel was seen in a vision ascending from the east, not during or before the entrance of the United States in the war.
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