When was the earliest account of icon veneration in christianity?

Jagon

Giving the earliest artifact is not acceptable, you should give an earliest indication, a quote from early christians that images are ok to venerate.

TLG

St. Luke the evangelist was a painter, traditions hold that he painted mary holding baby jesus

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Luke_the_Evangelist#Luke_as_an_artist
He is said to have painted pictures of the Virgin Mary and Child, in particular the Hodegetria image in Constantinople (now lost).

Alaskador11

http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/07664a.htm

Since the Old Testament pa may mga images sa temples.

Catacomb of Priscilla
Mga late 2nd century ito. Pero hindi ibig sabihin ito ang oldest. Kung walang Islam, hindi sana nasira ang mga iba pang evidences. Gumagamit ng symbols ang mga Christians noon like yung fish, yung P at x

Hindi unique sa Christians ito. Ang mga Muslim gumagamit din ng symbols. At humahalik sila sa urinal.

Tokay

Ang Bob0b0 Talaga

Alaskador11

Holiest Urinal in Islam.

Alaskador11

Alaskador11

Tokay wrote: »

Ang Bob0b0 Talaga

Ni Manalo? Malamang.

Jagon

guys, i am familiar with early images about christianity, even images that predates christianity, kaya nga ang linaw ng tanong ko, kelan pinagdecisionan na i-venerate ang mga bagay na ito?

Alaskador11

60% ng katawan ng tao ay gawa sa tubig... babalikan natin yan.
Image of Cherub at ark of Covenant pinagawa ng God ito at naging sentro ng Temple. Bagay lang yan pero may pagpapahalaga tayo.

Parehas lang din kapag tindero ka ng mais tapos tuwing dadaan ang siga ng baranggay lalaitin ang payong na sinisilungan mo sasabihin... "Oh butas butas na yan palitan na yan." Tuwing dumadaan nilalait niya ang payong. Tapos kasunod na nito bugbugan na. Bakit? Hindi naman siya mismo ang nilait, kundi isang bagay lang. Kasi kahit pa bagay lang yan parang siya na rin ang nilait dun. Somehow may connection sila sa isa't isa. Sinasabi nila wala raw buhay ang mga imahe, mga paintings, mga statues, mga rebulto. Karamihan sa katawan natin wala ring buhay eh pero kapag inalis mo sa katawan natin mamamatay tayo, gaya ng tubig.

1 Kings 8:6 New American Standard Bible (NASB)

Then the priests brought the ark of the covenant of the Lord to its place, into the inner sanctuary of the house, to the most holy place, under the wings of the cherubim.

Ang God mismo gusto niya na may desenyo ang Ark. Wala kasi kayong ideya sa uri ng buhay noon.

Alaskador11

Hindi gaya sa panahon natin, marami ang oras nilang tuklasin ang kakayahan ng mga kamay nila, lalo na ang mga Greeks at Romans. Nagkalat ang mga artworks gaya nito.

Kahit sa mga bahay ng mga di kilalang tao may mga artworks. Hindi masama kung na-Romanize ang Christianity dahil na-sakop naman ng Christianity ang Rome. Kahit nung pumasok sa Pilipinas ang Kristyanismo nagkaroon ng Bibingka tradition tuwing Simbang Gabi, walang masama din dun.

TLG

Jagon wrote: »

guys, i am familiar with early images about christianity, even images that predates christianity, kaya nga ang linaw ng tanong ko, kelan pinagdecisionan na i-venerate ang mga bagay na ito?

Early christians were thought to be worshippers of the cross, they were misconstrued as worshipping a piece of wood, where in fact early christians were just venerating a symbol of christ's passion.
http://books.google.com.qa/books?id=5mhBAQAAMAAJ&pg=PA353&lpg=PA353&dq=Christians+were+known+as+%22worshippers+of+the+cross%22&source=bl&ots=UmoiPCl2M0&sig=Teis8G2jMiz-3Y-tshntiG_ybKQ&hl=en&sa=X&ei=EUZPVLnpLoXLaJ-TgPgH&redir_esc=y#v=onepage&q=Christians%20were%20known%20as%20%22worshippers%20of%20the%20cross%22&f=false

Jagon

I have plenty of crosses at home, I have crosses on by daughter's test papers. I have crosses on every window on my desktop.

c'mon, I am talking about pictures, images, and then later on we can discuss about early churches' aniconism and then byzantine iconoclasm.

TLG

Jagon wrote: »

I have plenty of crosses at home, I have crosses on by daughter's test papers. I have crosses on every window on my desktop..

The point is from the outside they were thought to be worshippers of the cross, but from the inside it was just veneration towards the cross. That was history.