The Water On Earth Predates The Formation Of The Sun
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Genesis 1
1 In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth.
2 Now the earth was formless and empty, darkness was over the surface of the deep, and the Spirit of God was hovering over the waters.
http://www.iflscience.com/space/solar-systems-water-predates-sun
A doctoral student claims to have solved the question of where the solar system's water comes from, including both our own oceans and the ice that makes up comets and the moons of the outer planets.
If water in the early solar system was primarily inherited as ice from interstellar space, then it is likely that similar ices, along with the prebiotic organic matter that they contain, are abundant in most or all protoplanetary disks around forming stars," says Dr Conel Alexander of the Carnegie Institution for Science. "But if the early solar system's water was largely the result of local chemical processing during the sun's birth, then it is possible that the abundance of water varies considerably in forming planetary systems, which would obviously have implications for the potential for the emergence of life elsewhere."
Lead author Ilse Cleeves of the University of Michigan used the proportion of deuterium, an isotope of hydrogen with an extra neutron, to estimate water's source. Very cold environments, such as interstellar space, are more conducive to the formation of deuterium rich water than warmer environments around newly forming stars.
By simulating the proto-planetary conditions around the sun as it formed, Cleeves and Alexander concluded there is too much deuterium present for all of it to have formed along with the solar system. "What this implies is if the planetary disk didn't make the water, it inherited it. Consequently, some fraction of the water in our solar system predates the sun," said Cleeves.
In Science, Cleeves and Alexander estimate that 30-50% of the Earth's ocean has interstellar origins. In the outer reaches of the solar system the proportion is even higher, with 60 to 100% of comet ice being made in this way.
Our findings show that a significant fraction of our Solar Systems water, the most-fundamental ingredient to fostering life, is older than the Sun, which indicates that abundant, organic-rich interstellar ices should probably be found in all young planetary systems, said Alexander.
Besides the astrobiological signicance, Cleeves told Space.com the discovery made her feel in touch with the cosmos. For me, uncovering these kinds of direct links between our daily experience and the galaxy at large is fascinating and puts a wonderful perspective on our place in the universe."
1 In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth.
2 Now the earth was formless and empty, darkness was over the surface of the deep, and the Spirit of God was hovering over the waters.
http://www.iflscience.com/space/solar-systems-water-predates-sun
A doctoral student claims to have solved the question of where the solar system's water comes from, including both our own oceans and the ice that makes up comets and the moons of the outer planets.
If water in the early solar system was primarily inherited as ice from interstellar space, then it is likely that similar ices, along with the prebiotic organic matter that they contain, are abundant in most or all protoplanetary disks around forming stars," says Dr Conel Alexander of the Carnegie Institution for Science. "But if the early solar system's water was largely the result of local chemical processing during the sun's birth, then it is possible that the abundance of water varies considerably in forming planetary systems, which would obviously have implications for the potential for the emergence of life elsewhere."
Lead author Ilse Cleeves of the University of Michigan used the proportion of deuterium, an isotope of hydrogen with an extra neutron, to estimate water's source. Very cold environments, such as interstellar space, are more conducive to the formation of deuterium rich water than warmer environments around newly forming stars.
By simulating the proto-planetary conditions around the sun as it formed, Cleeves and Alexander concluded there is too much deuterium present for all of it to have formed along with the solar system. "What this implies is if the planetary disk didn't make the water, it inherited it. Consequently, some fraction of the water in our solar system predates the sun," said Cleeves.
In Science, Cleeves and Alexander estimate that 30-50% of the Earth's ocean has interstellar origins. In the outer reaches of the solar system the proportion is even higher, with 60 to 100% of comet ice being made in this way.
Our findings show that a significant fraction of our Solar Systems water, the most-fundamental ingredient to fostering life, is older than the Sun, which indicates that abundant, organic-rich interstellar ices should probably be found in all young planetary systems, said Alexander.
Besides the astrobiological signicance, Cleeves told Space.com the discovery made her feel in touch with the cosmos. For me, uncovering these kinds of direct links between our daily experience and the galaxy at large is fascinating and puts a wonderful perspective on our place in the universe."
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Genesis 1
1 In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth.
2 Now the earth was formless and empty, darkness was over the surface of the deep, and the Spirit of God was hovering over the waters.
http://www.iflscience.com/space/solar-systems-water-predates-sun
A doctoral student claims to have solved the question of where the solar system's water comes from, including both our own oceans and the ice that makes up comets and the moons of the outer planets.
If water in the early solar system was primarily inherited as ice from interstellar space, then it is likely that similar ices, along with the prebiotic organic matter that they contain, are abundant in most or all protoplanetary disks around forming stars," says Dr Conel Alexander of the Carnegie Institution for Science. "But if the early solar system's water was largely the result of local chemical processing during the sun's birth, then it is possible that the abundance of water varies considerably in forming planetary systems, which would obviously have implications for the potential for the emergence of life elsewhere."
Lead author Ilse Cleeves of the University of Michigan used the proportion of deuterium, an isotope of hydrogen with an extra neutron, to estimate water's source. Very cold environments, such as interstellar space, are more conducive to the formation of deuterium rich water than warmer environments around newly forming stars.
By simulating the proto-planetary conditions around the sun as it formed, Cleeves and Alexander concluded there is too much deuterium present for all of it to have formed along with the solar system. "What this implies is if the planetary disk didn't make the water, it inherited it. Consequently, some fraction of the water in our solar system predates the sun," said Cleeves.
In Science, Cleeves and Alexander estimate that 30-50% of the Earth's ocean has interstellar origins. In the outer reaches of the solar system the proportion is even higher, with 60 to 100% of comet ice being made in this way.
Our findings show that a significant fraction of our Solar Systems water, the most-fundamental ingredient to fostering life, is older than the Sun, which indicates that abundant, organic-rich interstellar ices should probably be found in all young planetary systems, said Alexander.
Besides the astrobiological signicance, Cleeves told Space.com the discovery made her feel in touch with the cosmos. For me, uncovering these kinds of direct links between our daily experience and the galaxy at large is fascinating and puts a wonderful perspective on our place in the universe."
Gen. 1:6-8 And God said, Let there be a firmament in the midst of the waters, and let it divide the waters from the waters. And God made the firmament, and divided the waters which were under the firmament from the waters which were above the firmament: and it was so. And God called the firmament Heaven. And the evening and the morning were the second day.
Gen. 1:14-18 And God said, Let there be lights in the firmament of the heaven to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs, and for seasons, and for days, and years: And let them be for lights in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth: and it was so. And God made two great lights; the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night: he made the stars also. And God set them in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth, And to rule over the day and over the night, and to divide the light from the darkness: and God saw that it was good. And the evening and the morning were the fourth day.
Well, had you not stopped and continue reading the Bible, ref. Genesis 1 (see cited texts above), you would have easily have known that the water predated our own sun in our solar system by billion of years...
Here's another testimony of God about the origin of life in this world...... before any so called scientist ever born in this world...... The bringing forth of abundant life from the waters in the beginning....
Gen. 1:20-21 And God said, Let the waters bring forth abundantly the moving creature that hath life, and fowl that may fly above the earth in the open firmament of heaven. And God created great whales, and every living creature that moveth, which the waters brought forth abundantly, after their kind, and every winged fowl after his kind: and God saw that it was good. And God blessed them, saying, Be fruitful, and multiply, and fill the waters in the seas, and let fowl multiply in the earth. And the evening and the morning were the fifth day.0 -
Gen. 1:14-18 And God said, Let there be lights in the firmament of the heaven to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs, and for seasons, and for days, and years: And let them be for lights in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth: and it was so. And God made two great lights; the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night: he made the stars also. And God set them in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth, And to rule over the day and over the night, and to divide the light from the darkness: and God saw that it was good. And the evening and the morning were the fourth day.
I disagree that water predates the sun and also disagree that sun was created in the fourth day.
When God said "Let there be lights...." the sun was already in existence but not lit. God is a God of order as evident by the Genesis passages but if you read Job 38, the bright morning stars were mentioned before the water.
Was water (H2O) created before H2 which is the major element in the sun?0 -
I disagree that water predates the sun and also disagree that sun was created in the fourth day.
When God said "Let there be lights...." the sun was already in existence but not lit. God is a God of order as evident by the Genesis passages but if you read Job 38, the bright morning stars were mentioned before the water.
Was water (H2O) created before H2 which is the major element in the sun?
Sorry... but that's just based on flawed understanding of the Scripture.
When God said "Let there be light".... It was the brightness of the glory of the Lord God (Son) that was brought forth into this physical world and provided the light in the beginning (Alpha) ..... as He (Son) will also be the one to provide the light of 3rd heaven in the end (Omega)... for the Lamb is the light thereof.....
Rev. 21:23 And the city had no need of the sun, neither of the moon, to shine in it: for the glory of God did lighten it, and the Lamb is the light thereof.0 -
Sorry... but that's just based on flawed understanding of the Scripture.
When God said "Let there be light".... It was the brightness of the glory of the Lord God (Son) that was brought forth into this physical world and provided the light in the beginning (Alpha) ..... as He (Son) will also be the one to provide the light of 3rd heaven in the end (Omega)... for the Lamb is the light thereof.....
Rev. 21:23 And the city had no need of the sun, neither of the moon, to shine in it: for the glory of God did lighten it, and the Lamb is the light thereof.
Oh my goodness....another dingdong....
When the Son came down to earth, there was still light in the sky.0 -
Oh my goodness....another dingdong....
When the Son came down to earth, there was still light in the sky.
Don't tell that to Apostle Paul who was blinded by the light coming from heaven... brighter than the noon day sun.
Here's another one to consider for your additional learning...
In the beginning God Created the heaven (Air) and the Earth (Ground). And the Earth (Ground) was without form, (Dust) and void; (Empty) and darkness was upon the face of the deep (Water), and the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.
The 3 elements necessary for all physical form are shown... Air, Dust, and Water. Everything which is physical is composed of these 3 elements. The text is correct in showing that the water was not directly created, or spoken into being, because it consists of elements of the Air or Atmosphere. Water is Hydrogen and Oxygen and came from the Atmosphere and is not shown as a separate creation.
This is correct in today's scientific knowledge, but IF the Bible were written by Ancient men, Moses would not have known this. He would have written that in the beginning God created the Air, Dust, and Water, but since God Himself is the Author, He correctly shows that the Atmosphere and Ground were created, and the Water was not a separate creation but instead, came from the Atmosphere.
Next time, don't use the Bible for your reference, since, you seem to be Biblically illiterate and could not comprehend what you are reading. Get somebody to help you understand it if you wish to continue using Bible as your reference.
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Don't tell that to Apostle Paul who was blinded by the light coming from heaven... brighter than the noon day sun.
And where do you think that light came from? Where was the Son that time?Here's another one to consider for your additional learning...
In the beginning God Created the heaven (Air) and the Earth (Ground). And the Earth (Ground) was without form, (Dust) and void; (Empty) and darkness was upon the face of the deep (Water), and the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.
The 3 elements necessary for all physical form are shown... Air, Dust, and Water. Everything which is physical is composed of these 3 elements. The text is correct in showing that the water was not directly created, or spoken into being, because it consists of elements of the Air or Atmosphere. Water is Hydrogen and Oxygen and came from the Atmosphere and is not shown as a separate creation.
This is correct in today's scientific knowledge, but IF the Bible were written by Ancient men, Moses would not have known this. He would have written that in the beginning God created the Air, Dust, and Water, but since God Himself is the Author, He correctly shows that the Atmosphere and Ground were created, and the Water was not a separate creation but instead, came from the Atmosphere.
Next time, don't use the Bible for your reference, since, you seem to be Biblically illiterate and could not comprehend what you are reading. Get somebody to help you understand it if you wish to continue using Bible as your reference.
Aw ah genuine plagiarist.
Er...if water was present on day one, and the atmosphere was made on day two, why do you say that water came from the atmosphere?
Is it me who could not comprehend or you?And the Spirit of God was hovering over the face of the waters.6 Then God said, Let there be a firmament in the midst of the waters, and let it divide the waters from the waters.8 And God called the firmament Heaven. So the evening and the morning were the second day.0 -
Genesis 1:2 ...... And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.
In the Beginning, the Universe Was a Liquid
http://news.discovery.com/space/in-the-beginning-the-universe-was-a-liquid.htm
How the universe evolved from a liquid
The universe was a super-hot liquid in the moments immediately after its birth, according to the first results from an experiment to recreate the conditions of Big Bang.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/science/science-news/8148525/How-the-universe-evolved-from-a-liquid.html
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This is not H2O. The OP is out of context.
Before the creation of the Universe, everything was a fluid according to scientist.
According to Genesis, before creation, the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the fluids (waters).
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Genesis 1:3 And God said, Let there be light, and there was light. 4 God saw that the light was good, and he separated the light from the darkness. 5God called the light day, and the darkness he called night. And there was evening, and there was morningthe first day.
This is not the sun. This is the creation of photon particles. You need photons to create matter, thus, the first day.
Matter will be created from light within a year, claim scientists
"We have shown in principle how you can make matter from light," said Steven Rose at Imperial. "If you do this experiment, you will be taking light and turning it into matter."
http://www.theguardian.com/science/2014/may/18/matter-light-photons-electrons-positrons0 -
And where do you think that light came from? Where was the Son that time?
Once again read my lips very s-l-o-w-l-y.... The light came from the brightness of the glory of the Lord in heaven.... Do you want Scripture?Aw ah genuine plagiarist.
Plagiarist??? Can you back up your stupid accusation? And just so you know.... if ever I use somebody else materials.... I get permission to use it.Er...if water was present on day one, and the atmosphere was made on day two, why do you say that water came from the atmosphere?
Clearly, the existence of water is recorded in Genesis 1:2 before the first day, yet, you still seem ignorant of the truth? Come on man.... get real...
Once again, for your additional learning (free of charge) my friend.... The Bible is speaking of MULTIVERSE.... as far as our physical world is concern... NOT one uni-verse.... as you religious faith continue to assume.
The world that was made on the 2nd day was the world of Adam. Water was part of the composition of air / atmosphere... during the making of the heaven and earth in the beginning.Is it me who could not comprehend or you?
Of course, it's you.... Please stop projecting your own weaknesses on me. Come on man.... 0 -
The 1st Firmament or Heaven was made on the 2nd Day. Gen 1:6-8 It was formed in the midst or middle of the Water, and Water was above and below it. IOW, the 1st Heaven, was surrounded by water. It was later destroyed, totally and completely, by that same Water, when the "windows of heaven were opened. Gen. 7:11
Our Heaven or Universe was made on the 3rd Day. Gen 2:4-5 It is surrounded by star dust ..... and will be destroyed by fire....The Big Bang happened on the 3rd Day, the same Day Jesus made our Heaven or Kosmos, and also the 3rd Heaven.
ll Corinthians 12:2 tells us of the Apostle Paul being taken to the 3rd Heaven.
The Bible is speaking of MULTIVERSE not just Uni-verse.
John 14:2 In my Father's house are many mansions: if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you.
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Once again read my lips very s-l-o-w-l-y.... The light came from the brightness of the glory of the Lord in heaven.... Do you want Scripture?
Plagiarist??? Can you back up your stupid accusation? And just so you know.... if ever I use somebody else materials.... I get permission to use it.
Clearly, the existence of water is recorded in Genesis 1:2 before the first day, yet, you still seem ignorant of the truth? Come on man.... get real...
Once again, for your additional learning (free of charge) my friend.... The Bible is speaking of MULTIVERSE.... as far as our physical world is concern... NOT one uni-verse.... as you religious faith continue to assume.
The world that was made on the 2nd day was the world of Adam. Water was part of the composition of air / atmosphere... during the making of the heaven and earth in the beginning.
Of course, it's you.... Please stop projecting your own weaknesses on me. Come on man....
Close encounter....
The world was made on the second day....
oh SEVE do you have a religion...it's interesting to know.0 -
The 1st Firmament or Heaven was made on the 2nd Day. Gen 1:6-8 It was formed in the midst or middle of the Water, and Water was above and below it. IOW, the 1st Heaven, was surrounded by water. It was later destroyed, totally and completely, by that same Water, when the "windows of heaven were opened. Gen. 7:11
Hmmm...I didn't know that the atmosphere was destroyed by water.Our Heaven or Universe was made on the 3rd Day. Gen 2:4-5 It is surrounded by star dust ..... and will be destroyed by fire....The Big Bang happened on the 3rd Day, the same Day Jesus made our Heaven or Kosmos, and also the 3rd Heaven.
ll Corinthians 12:2 tells us of the Apostle Paul being taken to the 3rd Heaven.
The Bible is speaking of MULTIVERSE not just Uni-verse.
John 14:2 In my Father's house are many mansions: if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you.
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if we strictly follow the periodic table in determining which compounds start to arise during the earliest form of the universe, ammonia should be first formed before water is formed.
lets see the elements from element 1 to 8
Hydrogen
Helium
Lithium
Beryllium
Boron
Carbon
Nitrogen
Oxygen
See Hydrogen and Nitrogen are formed first before Oxygen
Ammonia is NH3. Water is H20.
So this means that way before Oxygen was created by atomic progression that lead to different elements, Nitrogen and Hydrogen existed first. And ammonia is NH3.
heck even lithium nitride was even present before water.
Lithium nitride is prepared by direct combination of elemental lithium with nitrogen gas:[2]
6 Li + N2 → 2 Li3N0 -
The sun is mostly composed of the elements hydrogen (H) and helium (He). By mass the composition of the sun is 75 percent hydrogen and 25 percent helium. Various metals make up less than 0.1 percent of the mass of the sun.
Hydrogen is element 1. Helium is element 2. this are the first 2 elements formed in the beginning.
Oxygen is element 8. There are other compounds formed first before the existence of Oxygen which will eventually unite with 2 atoms of Hydrogen to form water.0
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