Syrian rebels surround Filipino UN peacekeepers in Golan Heights

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  • creechcreech Member PEx Influencer ⭐⭐⭐
    What if hindi tumakas mga sundalo natin doon?
  • __bahay_kubo____bahay_kubo__ Member PEx Legend ⭐⭐⭐⭐⭐⭐
    creech wrote: »
    What if hindi tumakas mga sundalo natin doon?

    well, they would have ended up like the Fijians...
    Al Qaeda Rebels to Try UN Peacekeepers Under 'Divine Law'
    09:23 Reported
    News Brief 9/5/2014, Elul 10, 5774

    The 45 UN peacekeepers from Fiji who were abducted by Al Qaeda-linked Al-Nusra Front rebel forces on the Syrian side of the Golan Heights last Wednesday are to "stand trial" under sharia (Islamic law), according to a Britain-based monitoring group.

    Rami Abdul Rahman, head of the Syrian Observatory for Human Rights, said that the commander of Al-Nusra Front has declared that the 45 peacekeepers will be tried under "divine law," according to Asharq Al-Aswat as cited by Yedioth Aharonoth.

    fortunately for our boys, they ignored Iqbal Singha's stupid command by continuing to defend their positions against Al Nusra terrorists until they ran out of ammunition and escaped in the middle of the night while backed up by the Irish, the Israelis and Bashar al-Assad's forces.
  • gotta lick itgotta lick it Member PEx Influencer ⭐⭐⭐
    if Iqbal Singha is an excellent negotiator then he should know the nuumber one rule in negotiating.






    never negotiate with terrorist like the muslim ISIS.
  • pongpagong123pongpagong123 snapping turtol PExer
    KamenRaida wrote: »
    Exclusive: U.S. sending Free Syrian Army 200,000 halal MREs
    BY Josh Rogin
    MARCH 14, 2013 - 02:04 PM

    http://thecable.foreignpolicy.com/files/imagecache/860x/mre222_0.jpg

    The U.S. government is airlifting 200,000 Meals Ready to Eat (MREs) to the Free Syrian Army, although they will expire by June, The Cable has confirmed.


    At a briefing for the Senate Foreign Relations Committee on March 7, Undersecretary of State Wendy Sherman and Ambassador to Syria Robert Ford told lawmakers that the U.S. government would provide the MREs to elements of the Free Syrian Army within the coming weeks. The officials also said that these MREs were set to expire in June of this year and that they had some concerns that the FSA was not in a position to receive and process the distribution of these MREs competently.

    "We will closely monitor the expiration dates so that all MREs are delivered with ample time for them to be consumed before they expire, and the FSA will also be trained to use them before they expire," a senior administration official said.

    The U.S. government is confident the MREs will be eaten before they go bad.

    "Given the extreme needs, the expectation is that each tranche of MREs shipped will be consumed within a month of delivery either by the FSA themselves or the FSA will distribute them to civilians in need," the official told The Cable.

    The official declined to comment on why the MREs being sent to the FSA are so close to their expiration date or where they were being sent from. The official did say all the MREs will be halal-compliant.

    The food aid marks the largest instance of direct American support to the fighting rebels in Syria since the revolution began on March 15, 2011, exactly two years ago Friday. The State Department has announced a total of $115 million in humanitarian support for the Syrian opposition, $60 million of which Secretary of State John Kerry unveiled in Rome earlier this month.

    But State has refused to say how much money is being spent on aid to the FSA other than to say that assistance is coming from Defense Department accounts that are being drawn down.

    According to the website MRE Info, the shelf life of an MRE is between 12 and 60 months, depending on the temperature at which it is stored. Individual MRE menu items may also have different shelf lives. For example, MRE applesauce packets stored at 40 degrees Fahrenheit are fine after 36 months, but don't look so appetizing if stored at 80 degrees or more.

    AFP/Getty Images

    source: http://thecable.foreignpolicy.com/posts/2013/03/14/us_sending_free_syrian_army_200000_halal_mres

    When ISIS attacked Mosul in Iraq, Iraqi forces noticed that ISIS were armed with US-made weapons.

    The problem in the US is that policy-makers are blind or ignorant of the reality in Syria. They still believe that the Free Syrian Army is one cohesive group composed of 80,000 secular-democracy loving fighters. And they continue sending weapons and funds. The truth is, FSA is non-cohesive, composed of rival and independently-operating brigades of warlords, local islamists, bandits, whose goal is to destroy the Alawite minorities and establish a Sunni Arab Islamic state. Moreover, most brigades supposedly under FSA are also fighting for Al Qaeda, Islamic Front and ISISc. Thus, weapons provided to them goes directly to the jihadist groups.

    Obama said he will ramp up the delivery of weapons to FSA before this year ends. That means more weapons to ISIS and Al qaeda
  • mas17planmas17plan Member PExer
    hindi ba pwedeng magnegosasyon habang mga Fijians pa ang bihag?Bkit pa kailang palitan ng filipino?eh ganon langrin naman mangyayari pinalitan mo lang ang bihag.
  • pongpagong123pongpagong123 snapping turtol PExer
    mas17plan wrote: »
    hindi ba pwedeng magnegosasyon habang mga Fijians pa ang bihag?Bkit pa kailang palitan ng filipino?eh ganon langrin naman mangyayari pinalitan mo lang ang bihag.

    hindi papalitan, dadagdagan. Kung sumuko ang mga pinoy, hindi naman ang UN at yung Indian Commander ang mamomroblema para palayain ang mga bihag. Gobyerno natin ang mapipilitan na makipagnegosasyon at magpadala ng "humanitarian aid" sa mga terorista
  • fennfenn Member PExer
    I think this move will have serious consequences on the reliability of Philippine Peacekeepers in fulfilling international UN missions.

    Hindi "team player" kung baga.

    "Me First" before the Team and the Mission.
  • TotnakTotnak Theistic Apologist PEx Influencer ⭐⭐⭐
    fenn wrote: »
    I think this move will have serious consequences on the reliability of Philippine Peacekeepers in fulfilling international UN missions.

    Hindi "team player" kung baga.

    "Me First" before the Team and the Mission.

    in military, it is valid to disobey a direct order from the superior IF it cannot be justified accordingly....in this situation, the orders by the UNDOF commander lacks logic and reason thus, the PHL peacekeepers had every right to disobey it......

    it shows decisiveness and dependability on the part of our troops.....
  • KamenRaida wrote: »
    Exclusive: U.S. sending Free Syrian Army 200,000 halal MREs
    BY Josh Rogin
    MARCH 14, 2013 - 02:04 PM

    http://thecable.foreignpolicy.com/files/imagecache/860x/mre222_0.jpg

    The U.S. government is airlifting 200,000 Meals Ready to Eat (MREs) to the Free Syrian Army, although they will expire by June, The Cable has confirmed.

    Bakit sinusupportahan ng US ang FSA? Kung gusto talaga nilang talunin yung ISIS, dapat si Assad ang tinutulungan nila.
  • alaskador10alaskador10 fb.com/ALASKADORS PExer
    fenn wrote: »
    I think this move will have serious consequences on the reliability of Philippine Peacekeepers in fulfilling international UN missions.

    Hindi "team player" kung baga.

    "Me First" before the Team and the Mission.

    Gusto nila eh pasukuin, hindi pwede yun. Kapag sumuko sila pugot ulo nila. Masaya ang retarded prophet of Islam, si Muhammad the mad orc.
  • fenn wrote: »
    I think this move will have serious consequences on the reliability of Philippine Peacekeepers in fulfilling international UN missions.

    Hindi "team player" kung baga.

    "Me First" before the Team and the Mission.

    Hindi naman mandatory ang UN Peacekeeping. Nasa bansa kung gusto nilang magpadala ng forces nila at nasa kanila rin kung gusto nilang mag-pull out ng forces. Kung sa susunod ay ayaw na nila sa philippine forces, e di ok lang.
  • rodinarodina Member PExer
    spez wrote: »

    Kumbaga sa movie (which some are already talking about), imagine yung trailer na napanood mo may bumitaw ng linya na yun (pasigaw pa with feelings) getting you all pumped up, tapos yung pinanood mo ang movie you were expecting a battle to the death ala Rambo or Expendables (imagine mo rin nga pala sa trailer mga sundalo natin nag raratrat ng mga machine guns tapos may slow mo walk pa side by side with explosions in the background) e tapos sa movie pala e umatras pala sila.. di ba mali ang trailer??

    Now I have no problem with the "Escape" pero ang dating namn ng trailer nito e dapat parang Prison Break or mga Heist movie like Oceans 11/12 :)

    I do like the fact that the pinoy peacekeepers were able to escape. Am sure if there's an investigation going on, the Israelis would be the first to defend the action of the pinoy soldiers. In the first place, Israel has thumb her nose at UN many times before (and still do). ;)

    I agree, I don't like the way our military powers-that-be in the Philippines has hyped the whole thing. Akala mo nga Rambo or that old movie "The Great Escape", starring Steve MQueen et al.

    Speaking of movies, naalala ko tuloy ang famous (or infamous for the French ;)) Stanley Kubrick movie "Paths of Glory". Tita ko kasi mahilig manood ng top 100 American Films. This one is black and white but still powerful to watch.

    Here's some blurb from wikipedia:


    Paths of Glory is a 1957 American anti-war film by Stanley Kubrick based on the novel of the same name by Humphrey Cobb.[2] Set during World War I, the film stars Kirk Douglas as Colonel Dax, the commanding officer of French soldiers who refused to continue a suicidal attack. Dax attempts to defend them against a charge of cowardice in a court-martial.

    Check also http://www.filmsite.org/path.html
  • pongpagong123pongpagong123 snapping turtol PExer
    Bakit sinusupportahan ng US ang FSA? Kung gusto talaga nilang talunin yung ISIS, dapat si Assad ang tinutulungan nila.

    because FSA was their creation. US wanted to topple Assad and took advantage of the Arab Spring to infiltrate militarized elements and weapons into elements of Syrian opposition. US left the dirty work to its allies like Turkey, Qatar, Saudi, Jordan, whose strategy was to flood rural, conservative Sunni Syrian provinces with guns and ammunitions. Thus FSA was born out of all the separate armed factions. The United States then formed the Syrian National Council in Washington, a group of Syrian expats to give a semblance of leadership to the disparate rebels. (the rebels would repeatedly reject Syrian National Council though).

    The various rebel factions (so-called FSA) would then establish closer links to the radical Islamist elements like Al Nusra (Alqaeda in Syria) and ISIS than to the US-sponsored Syrian National Council (too detached to Syria and not Islamist enough for the rebels' taste) and launch provocative attacks against the regime and militarizing the conflict. This is exactly the scenario which unfolded in Libya. The rebels were expecting NATO to bomb Syria and win the "popular uprising" for them but this failed due to strong opposition by Russia and Iran's threat to go to war if Syria is bombed.

    Meanwhile the FSA contented itself with receiving military aid and supplies from the United States. They appear as moderates when in front of CNN and BBC cameras but sing a more Islamist tune (like Death to the Alawites, Shia to the Grave, Christians to Beirut type of songs) when left to themselves.

    Consider this FSA commander dubbed as moderate by the White House and a trusted ally of democracy in Syria, but in recent interviews he had no qualms in stating that he has alliances with Al Nusra and the Islamic Front (now revelead to be another Al Qaeda branch). In this video, he claims he is fighting ISIS while black ISIS flag is posted at his side lmao.
  • spezspez Member PEx Influencer ⭐⭐⭐
    fenn wrote: »
    I think this move will have serious consequences on the reliability of Philippine Peacekeepers in fulfilling international UN missions.

    Hindi "team player" kung baga.

    "Me First" before the Team and the Mission.

    How about this:

    WHAT IF... it was not 47 Fijians who were held Hostage, but fellow PINOYS? (remember they have other Pinoy contingents there)

    What then? If they still escaped and left their fellow pinoys, will the Filipino Nation and the AFP still react the same way, lauding and praising their "Great Escape"? Or will they chide them for abandoning their fellow countryman?

    If its the latter? Why? Whats the difference between the Fijians? Ok lang i-abandon ang Fijians pero di dapat ang Pinoy?

    One More:
    WHAT IF... the situation was reversed? Pinoys were the hostages, the Fijians were the ones being asked to not-engage/surrender their firearms.. and then they did the "Great Escape". How do you think Pinoy Social Media will react? "They did the right thing.. no sense in the Fijians risking their life over our soldiers" You think its gonna be like that?

    The AFP has been saying their priority is the safety of their men. Im no soldier, but I thought their priority is supposed to Defend the defenseless.

    Di ba nga lagi sa movies, the hero soldier/cop has a gun but once the bad guy grabs a hostage they ask them to drop their gun or they'll blow the hostage's brains out.. what do the hero do? a) Fire back anyway b) Surrender to save hostage's life and risk their own or c) Run away

    And in case the Hero does choose (c) Run away (in the movies remember), what usually happens is they lose their confidence, they quit their job, become alcoholic because of the shame and guilt.. what does NOT happen is they are proud of the fact that they Escaped and even give it a title "The Greatest Escape"...note GREATEST pa ha, di lang Great)

    But of course, it goes without saying real life aint like the movies. :)
  • MilliardoMilliardo Team Valor PEx Influencer ⭐⭐⭐
    Bakit sinusupportahan ng US ang FSA? Kung gusto talaga nilang talunin yung ISIS, dapat si Assad ang tinutulungan nila.

    Because ang gusto ng US mapasakanila ang Middle East. In doing so however, lalong gumugulo ang lugar na iyon with extremists taking over. I don't think any of the American politicians ever have any foresight as to what is happening, aside from a few. Ngayon lang nag announce si Obama that they will fight the ISIL and at the same time send more arms to the FSA. What he is not aware, or more likely be just ignores, is that the FSA and the ISIL are allies (and in effect, the combination of them is the ISIS). If Assad goes, Syria will become just like Iraq, Afghanistan, Egypt, and Libya, with extremists taking over.
  • booster44booster44 face the pain PExer
    Palabas lang ba ng FSA ang pakikipaglaban nila sa ISIS?OT lang- langya mga yan bawat round ata ng pinapaputok nilang RPG o baril laging sumisigaw ng "Allahu Akbar!", yung sa kabilang side (ISIS)ganun din.daming raw footages sa Youtube parang Rambo mga ugok eh.
  • pongpagong123pongpagong123 snapping turtol PExer
    rodina wrote: »

    I agree, I don't like the way our military powers-that-be in the Philippines has hyped the whole thing. Akala mo nga Rambo or that old movie "The Great Escape", starring Steve MQueen et al.

    But it was indeed a great and miraculous escape. they were surrounded by Al Nusra terrorists with limited ammunition and were able to escape one cold night. Rambo or Steve Mcqueen had never seen enemies like these jihadi rats who behead people and eat their innards just to make a point in youtube
  • pongpagong123pongpagong123 snapping turtol PExer
    spez wrote: »
    How about this:

    WHAT IF... it was not 47 Fijians who were held Hostage, but fellow PINOYS? (remember they have other Pinoy contingents there)

    What then? If they still escaped and left their fellow pinoys, will the Filipino Nation and the AFP still react the same way, lauding and praising their "Great Escape"? Or will they chide them for abandoning their fellow countryman?

    If its the latter? Why? Whats the difference between the Fijians? Ok lang i-abandon ang Fijians pero di dapat ang Pinoy?

    One More:
    WHAT IF... the situation was reversed? Pinoys were the hostages, the Fijians were the ones being asked to not-engage/surrender their firearms.. and then they did the "Great Escape". How do you think Pinoy Social Media will react? "They did the right thing.. no sense in the Fijians risking their life over our soldiers" You think its gonna be like that?

    The AFP has been saying their priority is the safety of their men. Im no soldier, but I thought their priority is supposed to Defend the defenseless.

    Di ba nga lagi sa movies, the hero soldier/cop has a gun but once the bad guy grabs a hostage they ask them to drop their gun or they'll blow the hostage's brains out.. what do the hero do? a) Fire back anyway b) Surrender to save hostage's life and risk their own or c) Run away

    And in case the Hero does choose (c) Run away (in the movies remember), what usually happens is they lose their confidence, they quit their job, become alcoholic because of the shame and guilt.. what does NOT happen is they are proud of the fact that they Escaped and even give it a title "The Greatest Escape"...note GREATEST pa ha, di lang Great)

    But of course, it goes without saying real life aint like the movies. :)

    Lmao, ang strategy mo eh pumayag na lang dapat ang mga pinoy na magpahostage na rin, dagdagan pa ng hostages ang mga terorista para mas malaki ang problema.

    Kung sa pilipinas yun, may abu sayaff at may hawak na mga hostages, ang demand nila, yung mga sundalong nakapaligid samin eh isuko ang mga armas nila at magpahostage na rin, papayag ka? katangahan yun
  • pongpagong123pongpagong123 snapping turtol PExer
    Milliardo wrote: »
    Because ang gusto ng US mapasakanila ang Middle East. In doing so however, lalong gumugulo ang lugar na iyon with extremists taking over. I don't think any of the American politicians ever have any foresight as to what is happening, aside from a few. Ngayon lang nag announce si Obama that they will fight the ISIL and at the same time send more arms to the FSA. What he is not aware, or more likely be just ignores, is that the FSA and the ISIL are allies (and in effect, the combination of them is the ISIS). If Assad goes, Syria will become just like Iraq, Afghanistan, Egypt, and Libya, with extremists taking over.

    Obama doesn't care if his policies in the middle east result into the rise of extremism. Well he even funded them and gave them weapons and Toyota technicals.

    When confronted with the Libyan situation, Obama had a predicament, the enemies of Ghadaffi were Al Qaeda terrorists and helping them would surely turn Libya into a war-torn Al Qaeda paradise just like (now even worse than) Afghanistan under Taliban. Which would Obama rather have:

    a. A failed-state, tribal and sectarian jihadist wonderland Libya under the control of rival extremist factions; or

    b. A strong and prosperous Libya under Ghadaffi's dictatorship who wants to challenge America-Saudi's petrodollar monopoly?

    Obama chose to destroy Libya, gave Al Qaeda more weapons and provided them with an Air Force to kill ghadaffi.

    The same choice was made by Obama in Syria. he knows Syria would turn into a genocidal cauldron under the control of the Al Qaeda allied-rebels. He knows he would endanger the lives of Syrian Shia's, druze, kurds, christians and Alawites because he will bring to power radical sunni extremists like those in Libya.

    But that is all collateral damage, what is more important to Obama is to kick out Assad from Syria so that Saudi, Qatar and Turkey will be able to compete with Russia's control over supply of oil to Europe.

    What Obama failed to foresee is the rise of the Caliphate which was enabled by his support to the extremists. The Caliphate is more ambitious than the Al Qaeda rats Obama was funding. The Caliphate will not stop with Syria, it wants to take over Iraq, Lebanon, Jordan and wage war against Israel.
  • pongpagong123pongpagong123 snapping turtol PExer
    Obama's plan to further fund and support the 'moderates' infuriates me. This stupid plan will only further pro-long this devastating war and kill more Syrians; the world must realise by now that the current Syrian government isn't going anywhere.

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