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Blackwater Elite

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  • torchie82torchie82 Member PEx Influencer ⭐⭐⭐
    I want to believe to Mr. Sy's press release that they'll be an independent team. But it is still to be seen. Sana gawin nilang modelo ang Rain or Shine management.
  • Ghost RiderGhost Rider Spirit of Vengeance PEx Influencer ⭐⭐⭐
    Best scenario, payagan ang Kia at Blackwater.

    Sapilitan ipabenta ang AIR 21 and Barako Bull franchise kasi halat na masyadong SMC backed up eto. Ipalit ang Phoenix Petroleum at NLEX (3rd team ni MVP, much better na eto kesa lima ang teams ng SMC).

    Now we have 11 possible teams na pwedeng maging competitive (Global Port is a semi-SMC team din so, wag na isali yan)
  • torchie82torchie82 Member PEx Influencer ⭐⭐⭐
    ♕ (名) プリンシペ島 ♕ ‏@DennisPrincipe 2h
    KiaBlackwater&Lex ;-)
  • Cool_EnzCool_Enz The Sports Guy PExer
    Hanggang 3 lang ang limit sa sister teams sa PBA pero walang limit ang farm teams. Ika nga the more the merrier :socool:
  • Jay P. MercadoJay P. Mercado Moderator PEx Moderator
    I can't see NLEX and Blackwater not getting the nod of the Governors. They're part of the PBA family already, through the D-League, and have the inside track already. KIA is the question mark since they haven't involved themselves in basketball matters locally. The Board, often described as an "all-boys exclusive club," will not want to antagonize their co-members and set up a voting bloc as potentially theorized by Kerouac.

    Now, if KIA does get in regardless of the odd-number count, then expect next year's draft to be extremely lean, not unlike year 1999 and 2000 when Tanduay and Red Bull joined the league. I'm expecting that at least 3 players from their respective D-League teams would be allowed for direct elevation to the pro ranks without going through the draft. That's 6 players from Blackwater and NLEX, as the Elite is now positioning itself in getting the likes of Chris Banchero and Ray-Ray Parks. KIA has the disadvantage since they can't bring in their own players for not having a D-League team but they may still be given concessions. Hence, teams like Air 21 (or the team they're planning to trade their first round pick to), ROS (from Meralco), Barako Energy, and Global may be the only teams that will benefit from the draft in terms of talent.

    Interesting because this would mean Air 21's pick may actually be either worth more than what we're expecting...or turn out to be a fool's gold.
  • KamenRaidaKamenRaida Tagapagligtas ng Naapi PExer
    itong team na to may San Miguel personnel dahil sa partnership, dapat ibang team nalang obvious kc e
  • magic_buddha28magic_buddha28 Member PExer
    I can't see NLEX and Blackwater not getting the nod of the Governors. They're part of the PBA family already, through the D-League, and have the inside track already. KIA is the question mark since they haven't involved themselves in basketball matters locally. The Board, often described as an "all-boys exclusive club," will not want to antagonize their co-members and set up a voting bloc as potentially theorized by Kerouac.

    Now, if KIA does get in regardless of the odd-number count, then expect next year's draft to be extremely lean, not unlike year 1999 and 2000 when Tanduay and Red Bull joined the league. I'm expecting that at least 3 players from their respective D-League teams would be allowed for direct elevation to the pro ranks without going through the draft. That's 6 players from Blackwater and NLEX, as the Elite is now positioning itself in getting the likes of Chris Banchero and Ray-Ray Parks. KIA has the disadvantage since they can't bring in their own players for not having a D-League team but they may still be given concessions. Hence, teams like Air 21 (or the team they're planning to trade their first round pick to), ROS (from Meralco), Barako Energy, and Global may be the only teams that will benefit from the draft in terms of talent.

    Interesting because this would mean Air 21's pick may actually be either worth more than what we're expecting...or turn out to be a fool's gold.

    Sir JPM, is there any rules against trading players that were elevated by an expansion team in their 1st year or conference?

    We all know how interested SMC is in getting the services of Parks and/or Banchero. Would a trade involving, let's say, Arwind Santos for Parks/Banchero be approved? One could argue that Santos is a proven talent and could definitely be a big boost to a new team compared to a "potential" in Parks/Banchero.
  • Jay P. MercadoJay P. Mercado Moderator PEx Moderator
    Sir JPM, is there any rules against trading players that were elevated by an expansion team in their 1st year or conference?

    We all know how interested SMC is in getting the services of Parks and/or Banchero. Would a trade involving, let's say, Arwind Santos for Parks/Banchero be approved? One could argue that Santos is a proven talent and could definitely be a big boost to a new team compared to a "potential" in Parks/Banchero.

    No, there isn't a rule on that. Neither has there been a precedent in the past when a team's direct hire was immediately traded to another team.

    I seriously doubt if this will happen. Banchero and Parks will immerse themselves in the PBA with Blackwater (assuming they are the Elite's direct picks) and will only move to another team/s after a certain period of time. Blackwater is trying hard to get that SMC image off their back and with good reason - Dioceldo Sy's company has no shares owned by RSA. Their partnership for Banchero was a one-time deal only to ensure his necessary soaking up in the D-League prior to being elevated to the pros. A trade to the SMC companies would be too difficult to avoid criticism.
  • conp_conp_ iska PEx Influencer ⭐⭐⭐
    What if Banchero and Parks both refuse to be direct hires of BW and join the draft instead?
  • Jay P. MercadoJay P. Mercado Moderator PEx Moderator
    Banchero and Parks can only do that if they don't sign up with Blackwater in the D-League. The rule is clear - expansion teams joining the league can only elevate their very own players. Thus, if Banchero and Parks do not want to be directly hired, then they will refuse to sign with the Elite and instead go through the traditional draft route.
  • KG21KG21 Twolves 4ever PExer
    I think Kia should first have a D-League team before fielding a PBA team...so for now, Blackwater and NLEX will be given a nod here as the two expansion teams next season.
  • Jay P. MercadoJay P. Mercado Moderator PEx Moderator
    Yes, and it just would be too difficult to imagine the two getting a "nay" vote from the Board. Likewise, it would just be too difficult to accommodate 4 teams in one season - that would mean the present teams sacrificing their rookie draft since most of the top players may end up getting directly hired and elevated to the pro ranks.

    KIA and another team (maybe Tanduay, Phoenix or Hapee) may find the situation better in two years time.
  • KevinDurantKevinDurant Member PEx Influencer ⭐⭐⭐
    Three lang ba or five elevated players? ROS just bought Shell kaya 3. Tanduay and Red Bull both elevated five.
  • Jay P. MercadoJay P. Mercado Moderator PEx Moderator
    With how the PBA Governors think nowadays, the expansion teams would be lucky to have 3 players being elevated...:)
  • JSmooveJSmoove JSmoove Weatherlight PEx Influencer ⭐⭐⭐
    If they get Banchero and Parks, it will be a coup. Both franchise players with huge upside.

    More teams, better competition, better for me.
  • gluteusgluteus Banned by Admin PExer
    Give them some time boi benta rin owners nito...
  • kirth0312kirth0312 Member PExer
    I'll agree with JSmoove. The more team, the better the competition.

    @glutues

    Papasukin muna sila sa PBA bago natin husgahan. Lahat naman tayo ** gusto ng maraming teams para mas dumami ang players at di nasasayang at nabuburo sa PBA-DL or ABL.

    Good news to para sa Philippine basketball tapos puro nega agad.
  • ventrilokwistventrilokwist The future is friendly PExer
    With how the PBA Governors think nowadays, the expansion teams would be lucky to have 3 players being elevated...:)

    If I'm not mistaken, Sir JPM, only the 'amateur' players are covered by this rule? Meaning, pwede silang mag-elevate ng players na dati nang nasa PBA (free agents) which are currently playing for their teams in the D-League? So 3 amateur players, plus former PBA players. Tama po ba? It's like Tanduay before, they had Menk, Rubi, Telan, Magpantay, Cantonjos, then added Bobby Jose (a former PBA player).
  • Jay P. MercadoJay P. Mercado Moderator PEx Moderator
    If I'm not mistaken, Sir JPM, only the 'amateur' players are covered by this rule? Meaning, pwede silang mag-elevate ng players na dati nang nasa PBA (free agents) which are currently playing for their teams in the D-League? So 3 amateur players, plus former PBA players. Tama po ba? It's like Tanduay before, they had Menk, Rubi, Telan, Magpantay, Cantonjos, then added Bobby Jose (a former PBA player).

    Yes, expansion teams, like regular teams, can sign up unrestricted free agents from the pool regardless of affiliation. Red Bull was able to get Renato Agustin from the MBA to provide veteran leadership while Tanduay acquired Bobby Jose, Jason Webb, etc. also from the free agency ranks.
  • GunnarGunnar Member PEx Influencer ⭐⭐⭐
    Yes, expansion teams, like regular teams, can sign up unrestricted free agents from the pool regardless of affiliation. Red Bull was able to get Renato Agustin from the MBA to provide veteran leadership while Tanduay acquired Bobby Jose, Jason Webb, etc. also from the free agency ranks.

    Jay, pde pa ba kumuha ang expansion team sa mga unprotected players ng ibang teams? I think this was done by Red Bull before.

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