Salvation is by grace alone through FAITH alone in CHRIST alone!

CodeXplorer

-not by your works.
-not by baptism.
-not by religion.
-not by membership in certain church.
-not by anything

but by grace alone through FAITH alone in CHRIST alone!

totben331

I have no other comments, save these verses from your own Bible

(NKJV) James 2:

14 What [does it] profit, my brethren, if someone says he has faith but does not have works? Can faith save him?

17 Thus also faith by itself, if it does not have works, is dead.

18 But someone will say, "You have faith, and I have works." Show me your faith without your works, and I will show you my faith by my works.

19 You believe that there is one God. You do well. Even the demons believe -- and tremble!

20 But do you want to know, O foolish man, that faith without works is dead?

22 Do you see that faith was working together with his works, and by works faith was made perfect?

24 You see then that a man is justified by works, and not by faith only.

26 For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead also.

katze_schmuse

^iyang mga bible phrases niyo chinop niyo lang ng chinop kung saan saan mula sa bibliya.ang masasabi ko lang, go have faith and workout your salvation...tsk tsk

tagapayo12

Beware of those who teach salvation apart from Jesus Christ. Those who teach to do this and do that in order to be saved.

It is clear that Jesus is the only way to salvation.

Just like TS said. Not by works, nor religion, nor anything or anyone but only through JESUS CHRIST!

You cannot be saved because you are doing good works.

You cannot be saved because you are good or kind.

You cannot be saved because you are member of INC, CATHOLIC, BORN AGAIN, ADD or any other religion.


John 14:6

6 Jesus answered, “I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me.

totben331

tagapayo12 wrote: »

Beware of those who teach salvation apart from Jesus Christ. Those who teach to do this and do that in order to be saved.

It is clear that Jesus is the only way to salvation.

Just like TS said. Not by works, nor religion, nor anything or anyone but only through JESUS CHRIST!

You cannot be saved because you are doing good works.

You cannot be saved because you are good or kind.

You cannot be saved because you are member of INC, CATHOLIC, BORN AGAIN, ADD or any other religion.


John 14:6

6 Jesus answered, “I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me.

so, you rejected the bible verses other than that, right?

katze_schmuse

minsan nalilito ako sa mga kung anu anong verses na kinokowt niyo dito..do not chop the verses and make us believe that what you cut out from the meat is the real meat jesus christ kayo!

totben331

katze_schmuse wrote: »

minsan nalilito ako sa mga kung anu anong verses na kinokowt niyo dito..do not chop the verses and make us believe that what you cut out from the meat is the real meat jesus christ kayo!

why dont you go with those verses and study them by your own. then, comeback here and tell what you've got....in TRUTH

katze_schmuse

^i will.problem is the verses are contradicting.siguro dahil tao rin naman ang sumulat ng bibliya.."just but human to err"

sample nalang yang post niyong dalawa..nagpost kayo ng verses na one suggest faith whilst the other suggests faith with work..I think I'll go for the latter tho

CodeXplorer

If you say work is needed in order to be saved then you are rejecting Christ.

ElCid

Totoo sinasabi ni Katz - chopchop ginagawa ng mga BA:

Salvation is by grace alone through FAITH alone in CHRIST alone! <- hindi ito completo. Sa biblia ganito ang sinasabi:

8 For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith—and this is not from yourselves, it is the gift of God— 9 not by works, so that no one can boast. 10 For we are God’s handiwork, created in Christ Jesus to do good works, which God prepared in advance for us to do. Eph 2

So ang kaligtasan bunga ng gracia ng Dios dahil sa pananampalatayang regalo ng Dios at di bunga ng sariling gawa meaning wala kang puedeng gawin na ikabubunga ng kaligtasan mo dahil ito GRACIA AT REGALO NG DIOS. Pero hindi ibig sabihin na wala kang mabuting gagawin dahil may sinasabi ding ang mga mananampalataya 'created in Christ Jesus to do good works, which God prepared in advance for us to do'

Para malaman mong sablay yang aral ng mga born again na FAITH ALONE - tanungin mo Pastor: Pastor wala ba akong kailangang gawin para maligtas at tama na pananampalataya? Sabihin ng pastor - wala na. Sabihin mo eh di di na ko kailangang magbigay ng IKAPU? Pag narinig niya yan FLUSH NA KAGAD YANG FAITH ALONE NA YAN SA TOILET . Sasaabihin niya - kailangang gawin mo yan kungdi ikapapahamak mo dahil ninanakawan mo Dios!

Pag dating sa pera wala ng faith alone

totben331

katze_schmuse wrote: »

^i will.problem is the verses are contradicting.siguro dahil tao rin naman ang sumulat ng bibliya.."just but human to err"

sample nalang yang post niyong dalawa..nagpost kayo ng verses na one suggest faith whilst the other suggests faith with work..I think I'll go for the latter tho

what I posted are from the Bible, they're not mine. I just posted it via copy and paste

CodeXplorer

ElCid wrote: »

Totoo sinasabi ni Katz - chopchop ginagawa ng mga BA:

Salvation is by grace alone through FAITH alone in CHRIST alone! <- hindi ito completo. Sa biblia ganito ang sinasabi:

8 For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith—and this is not from yourselves, it is the gift of God— 9 not by works, so that no one can boast. 10 For we are God’s handiwork, created in Christ Jesus to do good works, which God prepared in advance for us to do. Eph 2

So ang kaligtasan bunga ng gracia ng Dios dahil sa pananampalatayang regalo ng Dios at di bunga ng sariling gawa meaning wala kang puedeng gawin na ikabubunga ng kaligtasan mo dahil ito GRACIA AT REGALO NG DIOS. Pero hindi ibig sabihin na wala kang mabuting gagawin dahil may sinasabi ding ang mga mananampalataya 'created in Christ Jesus to do good works, which God prepared in advance for us to do'

Para malaman mong sablay yang aral ng mga born again na FAITH ALONE - tanungin mo Pastor: Pastor wala ba akong kailangang gawin para maligtas at tama na pananampalataya? Sabihin ng pastor - wala na. Sabihin mo eh di di na ko kailangang magbigay ng IKAPU? Pag narinig niya yan FLUSH NA KAGAD YANG FAITH ALONE NA YAN SA TOILET . Sasaabihin niya - kailangang gawin mo yan kungdi ikapapahamak mo dahil ninanakawan mo Dios!

Pag dating sa pera wala ng faith alone

Yung pastor yung may problema. Hindi si Christ!

Pasaway na pastor yun. Mukang pera. Pero hindi lahat ng pastor ganyan.
I'm sorry to hear na may mga ganyang pastor. Mga Impostor!

friedmorsel

God simply said no one will ever choose Him according to man's freewill of choice. Since, life comes from God, he is the only one capable of giving you infinite life.

But, since people rejected him, therefore, he must choose some to save.

CodeXplorer

friedmorsel wrote: »

God simply said no one will ever choose Him according to man's freewill of choice. Since, life comes from God, he is the only one capable of giving you infinite life.

But, since people rejected him, therefore, he must choose some to save.

John 3:16

16 For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that WHOEVER believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life.

ElCid

CodeXplorer wrote: »

Yung pastor yung may problema. Hindi si Christ!

Pasaway na pastor yun. Mukang pera. Pero hindi lahat ng pastor ganyan.
I'm sorry to hear na may mga ganyang pastor. Mga Impostor!

Lumalabas daming impostor na pastor? So dapat pala itawag sa kanila Impastor? lols. Karamihan ng mga pastor - pastor ng ikapu tapos nagtuturo ng faith alone? lols. Halatang racket.

Ang salvation by Grace. Claro sa Efeso 2. So para di mo maipagmalaki pati pananampalataya mo bunga din ng gracia pati ang mabuting gawa. So kaligtasan GAWA lamang ng Dios. Pero kailangan ng tao makipag-cooperate dito sa grasyang ito.

Walang Faith alone sa bible. The only instance that FAITH AND ALONE occurs in the bible is when it means the opposite of what you are trying to say:

James 2:17
Even so faith, if it hath not works, is dead, being alone.

CodeXplorer

ElCid wrote: »

Lumalabas daming impostor na pastor? So dapat pala itawag sa kanila Impastor? lols. Karamihan ng mga pastor - pastor ng ikapu tapos nagtuturo ng faith alone? lols. Halatang racket.

Ang salvation by Grace. Claro sa Efeso 2. So para di mo maipagmalaki pati pananampalataya mo bunga din ng gracia pati ang mabuting gawa. So kaligtasan GAWA lamang ng Dios. Pero kailangan ng tao makipag-cooperate dito sa grasyang ito.

Walang Faith alone sa bible. The only instance that FAITH AND ALONE occurs in the bible is when it means the opposite of what you are trying to say:

James 2:17
Even so faith, if it hath not works, is dead, being alone.

Walang FAITH ALONE? hmm.... meron po, wala ka lang mababasa na word for word. Baka kasi maghanap ka eh. Hehe..

Makikita natin sa BIBLE na ang salvation is attained not by any works, but by FAITH ALONE IN JESUS CHRIST.

ElCid

CodeXplorer wrote: »

Walang FAITH ALONE? hmm.... meron po, wala ka lang mababasa na word for word. Baka kasi maghanap ka eh. Hehe..

Makikita natin sa BIBLE na ang salvation is attained not by any works, but by FAITH ALONE IN JESUS CHRIST.

Guni-guni mo lang yan. Imbento lang ni Martin Luther ang Sola Fide - FAITH ALONE. Walang apostol na nagturo niyan bagkus kakontra ng turo ng mga apostol:

James 2:17
Even so faith, if it hath not works, is dead, being alone.

Patay ang pananampalatayang walang kalakip na gawa. Pag nasa iyo ang GRACIA NG DIOS: may pananampalataya na may mabuting gawa pa. Yun ang may nasasusulat gaya nga ng nasa Efeso 2:8-10. Bulletproof. Yang faith alone na yan sablay ayon sa biblia mismo.

friedmorsel

This contention is never ending. lol

IF you have faith in Christ and worship him, it would be a lot simpler to just do good. No further argument necessary. Period. For when your time is up, let God be the judge.

For wherever your heart is, that is where you'll find your treasure.

CodeXplorer

ElCid wrote: »

Guni-guni mo lang yan. Imbento lang ni Martin Luther ang Sola Fide - FAITH ALONE. Walang apostol na nagturo niyan bagkus kakontra ng turo ng mga apostol:

James 2:17
Even so faith, if it hath not works, is dead, being alone.

Patay ang pananampalatayang walang kalakip na gawa. Pag nasa iyo ang GRACIA NG DIOS: may pananampalataya na may mabuting gawa pa. Yun ang may nasasusulat gaya nga ng nasa Efeso 2:8-10. Bulletproof. Yang faith alone na yan sablay ayon sa biblia mismo.

Hindi naman talaga si Martin Luther ang nagpasimuno nyang FAITH ALONE na yan eh, hindi rin ang mga Apostol. Alam mo po ba kung sino?
Si JESUS CHRIST mismo ang nagpatunay na ang kaligtasan ng tao ay hindi sa pamamagitan ng paggawa, kundi sa pamamagitan lamang ng PANANAMPALATAYA sa kanya.

Ang pinaka simple, pinaka malinaw na paraan ng kaligtasan ay pinakita mismo ni Kristo ng sya ay ipinako sa Krus ng kalbaryo.



May dalawang magnanakaw na kasabay si Kristo ng pinako sya sa Krus. Yung isa, hindi naniwala sa kanya, pero yung isa ay naniwala sa kanya.

At yung naniwala sa kanya ay naligtas.

Hindi naman sinabi ni Jesus sa kanya na:

-"Sori, pero wala ka pang nagagawang kabutihan para maligtas"
-"Naku, hindi ka pa member ng relihiyon na ito. Hindi ka maliligtas"

Pero anong sinabi sa kanya ni Jesus?

Luke 23:43
" Jesus answered him, “Truly I tell you, today you will be with me in paradise.”"

Jesus rewards the man’s simple act of faith with the promise of salvation.

So naligtas yung magnanakaw.
Anong ginawa nya para maligtas?

Gumawa ba sya ng kabutihan para sya maligtas? HINDI!

That thief simply placed his faith totally in Jesus Christ. He believed in Christ. Then he was saved!

Ayan po, ang pinaka malinaw na paraan para maligtas ang isang tao. Pinakita mismo ni Hesu Kristo ang paraan ng sya'y ipako sa Krus.

If you add your own works to salvation, then you are not putting your faith solely in the work of Jesus Christ

katze_schmuse

totben331 wrote: »

what I posted are from the Bible, they're not mine. I just posted it via copy and paste

copy pasted yes..I can copy paste your post disregarding some periods so it may sound different aye?

what I'm trying to point out is simple: One cannot save another soul because we should workout our own salvation.If I say I believe in Christ but I killed my neighbor does this save me from tribulation yada yada blah blah?

Kahit nga si Satanas diba naniwalang may cristo eh bat siya nasa hell, diba?does that make sense?

ElCid

CodeXplorer wrote: »

Hindi naman talaga si Martin Luther ang nagpasimuno nyang FAITH ALONE na yan eh, hindi rin ang mga Apostol. Alam mo po ba kung sino?
Si JESUS CHRIST mismo ang nagpatunay na ang kaligtasan ng tao ay hindi sa pamamagitan ng paggawa, kundi sa pamamagitan lamang ng PANANAMPALATAYA sa kanya.

Nakakatawa ka naman. Wala namang nagsasabi sa amin na ang paggawa ng mabuti ay magbubunga ng kaligtasan? Grasya ng Dios ang pinanggagalingan ng kaligtasan bro. MALINAW PA SA SIKAT NG ARAW.

CodeXplorer wrote: »

Ang pinaka simple, pinaka malinaw na paraan ng kaligtasan ay pinakita mismo ni Kristo ng sya ay ipinako sa Krus ng kalbaryo.

May dalawang magnanakaw na kasabay si Kristo ng pinako sya sa Krus. Yung isa, hindi naniwala sa kanya, pero yung isa ay naniwala sa kanya. At yung naniwala sa kanya ay naligtas.

Hindi naman sinabi ni Jesus sa kanya na: -"Sori, pero wala ka pang nagagawang kabutihan para maligtas" -"Naku, hindi ka pa member ng relihiyon na ito. Hindi ka maliligtas" Pero anong sinabi sa kanya ni Jesus? Luke 23:43 " Jesus answered him, “Truly I tell you, today you will be with me in paradise.”"

Jesus rewards the man’s simple act of faith with the promise of salvation. So naligtas yung magnanakaw. Anong ginawa nya para maligtas? Gumawa ba sya ng kabutihan para sya maligtas? HINDI!

That thief simply placed his faith totally in Jesus Christ. He believed in Christ. Then he was saved!

Ayan po, ang pinaka malinaw na paraan para maligtas ang isang tao. Pinakita mismo ni Hesu Kristo ang paraan ng sya'y ipako sa Krus.

If you add your own works to salvation, then you are not putting your faith solely in the work of Jesus Christ

Ayan din ang malinaw na katibayan ng kalokohan yang doctrina na yan. NAKAPAKO NGA SA CRUS TATANUNGIN MO KUNG MAKAGAGAWA NG MABUTI? lols. You make the exception the rule? Eh claro sa aral ng biblia kinokontra mo pa?

James 2:17
Even so faith, if it hath not works, is dead, being alone.

So di namin sinasabi na yung mabuting gawa ang makapagliligtas. Walang ganung doctrina catolica. Wala ding doctrina na pananampalataya lamang ligtas ka na. Kakontra yun ng aral sa biblia. So ano nakapagliligtas? GRASYA NG DIOS

Ephesians 2:5
Even when we were dead in sins, hath quickened us together with Christ, (by grace ye are saved;)

Claro walang faith alone. Pero partida - kahit nakapako may GINAWA DING MABUTI ANG MAGNANAKAW - Nagsisi sa mga kasalanan. Di ba gawa din yun? Kaya huag mo sabihing walang ginawa.