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CaptainCharisma

Race to the MVP, ROY, All-NBA, MIP, DPY, 6th Man, etc

my votes so far

MVP - Kevin Durant
ROY - Damian Lillard
6th Man - Jamal Crawford
MIP - Stephen Curry?

deronwilliams08

So far

MVP: Kevin Durant/Carmelo Anthony
MIP: OJ Mayo
6MOY: Kevin Martin
COY: Lionel Hollins
DPOY: Tyson Chandler
ROY: Damian Lillard

1st Team:

Melo
Durant
Duncan
LeBron
Paul

2nd Team:

Randolph
Love
Howard
Kobe
Rondo

3rd Team:

Lee
Bosh
Varejao
Parker
Westbrook

Notable Snubs: D-Williams, B. Lopez, T. Chandler, M. Gasol, Holiday, Harden, Mayo, Irving, Curry, Griffin

Things can change in a snap though.

darknight10

MVP - Durant/Anthony
MIP - Harden/Mayo
ROY - Lillard
COY - Popovich
DPY - Chandler

Kobe
Durant
Anthony
James
Love

Paul
Westbrook
Wade
Duncan
Lopez

Williams
Rondo
Harden
Z-Bo
Howard


As of now.

CaptainCharisma

the Rockets given that they gutted their roster, their starters are definitely showing improvement

Harden the most obvious one but everybody already knew he was going to be the man

Chandler Parsons is a MIP darkhorse

Patterson is finally becoming a player

and Asik was obvious too given he'll get more playing time

so I won't be surprised if the MIP goes to someone in H-town

commmoner

Tight battle for MVP between Melo and KD. Both deserve to win this year.

deronwilliams08

commmoner wrote: »

Tight battle for MVP between Melo and KD. Both deserve to win this year.

Hard to decide eh? Melo has been very impressive leading NYK to #1 in the East despite still an incomplete roster. The only knock on him? They've been able to win a few big games even without Melo.

Durant on the other hand has been beasting in his individual stats and has almost LeBron-like numbers and his team is #1 in the West. However, he also has more help.

LeBroom

Melo has the weakest team among the 3 in terms of talent.

Melo has the Knicks #1 in the East despite BEING INFERIOR to the talent level of the Miami Heat.

Melo, though nowhere near LeBron's assist totals and is lagging behind the other stats as well, is still deserving of the award.

Melo though will probably not get it, unless the Thunder starts to have a colossal collapse.

I think Durant will win it because he's a media darling, and Melo has bad rep in the league. But I'd love it if Melo won the award. He needs it to gain some respect around the league and to CEMENT himself as a Top 3 player in the NBA.

CaptainCharisma

I believe the Knicks are more talented than the Heat if pound for pound from top to bottom

I hope the MVP goes to either KD or Melo, its boring if LeBron wins it every year

deronwilliams08

CaptainCharisma wrote: »

I believe the Knicks are more talented than the Heat if pound for pound from top to bottom

I hope the MVP goes to either KD or Melo, its boring if LeBron wins it every year

LeBron's stats are still MVP-worthy, but Durant has also been beasting in his overall stats this year. He's learning to facilitate and has been solid on the boards like LeBron is. Also, unlike last year where LeBron's teammates played below par, he actually has more help this year with Wade slowly pulling it back together, Bosh with his best year in a Heat jersey and Ray Allen.

CaptainCharisma

LeBron would always put MVP numbers every year, but the NBA would be wise to recognize the major improvements KD and Melo put this year

t_SKY

MVP: Kevin Durant
MIP: OJ Mayo
6th Man: Jamal Crawford
COY: Mike Woodson
DPOY: Tyson Chandler (landslide??)
ROY: Damian Lillard

Underrated snubs: TP, Varejao and David Lee

•lex•

MVP: Durant
ROY: Liliard
MIP: Mayo
6th man: Crawford
COY: Woodson
DPOY: ????

deronwilliams08 wrote: »

1st Team:

Melo
Durant
Duncan
LeBron
Paul

What's with your 3 forwards for 1st team?

Neverender

MVP: Carmelo Anthony
DPOY: Serge Ibaka
MIP: James Harden
ROY: Damian Lillard
Sixth Man: Jamal Crawford
COTY: Mark Jackson

Shinobi No Kami

t_SKY wrote: »

DPOY: Tyson Chandler (landslide??)

Seriously? WTF?!

Let me break it down:

Duncan:
per game: 2.6 blk (#5), 0.9 stl, 8.5 drb (#3), 1.8 pf (blk/pf #1)
per 36 min: 3.0 blk, 1.1 stl, 10.0 drb, 2.1 pf
advanced metrics: 94 Drtg (#2), 1.9 DWS (#3)

Chandler:
per game: 0.9 blk (Seriously, WTF?), 0.7 stl, 5.7 drb (What the bloody fuck?), 3.0 pf (This is getting ridiculous)
per 36 min: 1.0 blk, 0.8 stl, 6.5 drb, 3.5 pf
advanced metrics: 105 Drtg (a chair would do a better job), 0.9 DWS (bench player level)

Individually, it can't be more obvious.

Spurs
Opponent Pts/G: 97.8
Pace: 94.6
DRtg: 101.8 (#7)
eFg%: 0.472 (#5)

Knicks
Opponent Pts/G: 96.7
Pace: 91.1
DRtg: 105.8
eFg%: 0.506

Factoring in pace, it's pretty obvious team-wise as well.

Most of the people in this forum are seriously retarded. Although to be fair, it seems that most of NBA fandom (including, should I say especially, the media) are retarded.

yevrah

Shinobi No Kami wrote: »

Seriously? WTF?!

Let me break it down:

Duncan:
per game: 2.6 blk (#5), 0.9 stl, 8.5 drb (#3), 1.8 pf (blk/pf #1)
per 36 min: 3.0 blk, 1.1 stl, 10.0 drb, 2.1 pf
advanced metrics: 94 Drtg (#2), 1.9 DWS (#3)

Chandler:
per game: 0.9 blk (Seriously, WTF?), 0.7 stl, 5.7 drb (What the bloody fuck?), 3.0 pf (This is getting ridiculous)
per 36 min: 1.0 blk, 0.8 stl, 6.5 drb, 3.5 pf
advanced metrics: 105 Drtg (a chair would do a better job), 0.9 DWS (bench player level)

Individually, it can't be more obvious.

Spurs
Opponent Pts/G: 97.8
Pace: 94.6
DRtg: 101.8 (#7)
eFg%: 0.472 (#5)

Knicks
Opponent Pts/G: 96.7
Pace: 91.1
DRtg: 105.8
eFg%: 0.506

Factoring in pace, it's pretty obvious team-wise as well.

Most of the people in this forum are seriously retarded. Although to be fair, it seems that most of NBA fandom (including, should I say especially, the media) are retarded.

*okay* *okay* *okay*

ESPN Insider Article

At 36, can Tim Duncan be DPOY?

Spurs' aging star enjoying a rebirth and putting on clinic in blocking shots

Even if the Mayans had turned out to be right, I'd have been half-expecting Tim Duncan to find a way to continue to put up double-doubles on a nightly basis. That's how ludicrously consistent the Big Fundamental's career has been.Seriously, here were are, just a few days away from 2013, and Duncan ranks as the NBA's top big man in player efficiency rating (PER) at 25.2. This is a guy who made his NBA debut in October 1997 just after Detroit Pistons center Andre Drummond blew out the candles at his fourth birthday party. There's more: Duncan was playing in the NBA at the same time asCharles Jones, who used to be Dr. J's teammate.
Yes, Duncan is 36 years old and still dominating the league, 45,000 minutes later. Here's a long list of players who have averaged 17 points, 10 rebounds and two blocks at age 36:
Tim Duncan.
And that's it. No one else.

Chris Bosh called Duncan a "timeless classic" earlier this season, effectively making Duncan the "Citizen Kane" of basketball. The Heat center has a point; it feels like we can always count on Duncan for a good ol' 20-and-10 and a few swats on the side.

And it's those swats that has made this Duncan season as remarkable as any.

As startling as it sounds, Duncan, a 13-time all-defensive big man, has never had a better shot-blocking campaign in his career. He's currently collecting 2.6 blocks per game with an average of only 30.6 minutes of playing time. In other words, he's blocking more shots per 36 minutes (3.0) than at any point in his 15 seasons in the league.

And the best part? He probably hasn't left his feet for most of those blocks.

He certainly didn't leave his feet on Tuesday when he blocked the 7-foot-2 pogo stick JaVale McGee. Duncan barely left Earth to pin Corey Brewer's reverse layup to the backboard on Tuesday as well. Duncan just casually rotated over, reached up with two hands and stopped the ball dead in its tracks against the glass and descended to the ground with the rock. Before Brewer saw what happened, Duncan had already raised the ball above his head to distribute the outlet pass.

This is where the beauty of Duncan's game lies, the same technical mastery that gave him the Big Fundamental moniker. Rather than swat it like a volleyball spike as so many young players tend to do, Duncan politely rejects the shot attempt with a certain delicacy that undoubtedly loses him macho points. More importantly, Duncan's compassionate blocks allow him to easily snatch away the possession.

Duncan is particularly adept in this underrated realm of block recovery. Research from 82games.com has found that only 57 percent of blocks are recovered from the defensive team and one of every six blocks is sent out of bounds in vain. But a quick viewing of the tape shows that the Spurs recovered 16 of Duncan's last 25 blocks, which is a 64 percent recovery rate. In Tuesday's game against Denver, he reeled in four of his five swats.

Another hidden value of Duncan's blocks: He stays home rather than chase rejections all over the floor. In fact, 83.6 percent of Duncan's blocks come within five feet of the basket, which is the highest rate among the 17 players with at least 40 blocks to their name this season.

Contrast that with Dwight Howard who registers a lot of blocks, but only 67.6 percent of them come in the immediate basket area, which means that Howard spends much of his time blocking lower-percentage shots that probably won't go in anyway.

In some ways, Duncan's lack of athleticism is a blessing in disguise; it keeps him in close proximity of the rim and prevents him from block hunting on jumpers like others. Seen another way, the average shot distance of a Duncan blocked shot is 2.9 feet. Among the top 25 shot-blockers in the league, only Bismack Biyombo posted a shorter block average (2.7 feet). Compare that 2.9-foot average with Anthony Davis, who's often hailed as the next Duncan. His average blocked-shot is 7.1 feet away. Andrei Kirilenko? 8.4 feet. JaVale McGee? 5.2 feet. Duncan probably silently scoffs in their general direction.

Shortest blocked shot distance (minimum 30 blocks)


Player Feet Blocks
Bismack Biyombo 2.7 39
Tim Duncan 2.9 67
Serge Ibaka 3.3 80
Michael Kidd-Gilchrist 3.3 34
Josh Smith 3.6 48
Average 4.8

Duncan isn't cherry-picking against lesser players either. Duncan remains the only player in the NBA to block MVP candidates Kevin Durant and Carmelo Anthony each on multiple occasions. Poor Al Jefferson has been victimized by Duncan six times this season; Paul Millsap and DeMarcus Cousins have been rejected by Duncan three times.

More evidence of Duncan's subtle dominance on defense: He almost never fouls. As an illustration, let's compare him to his contemporaries. Serge Ibaka, Larry Sanders, Roy Hibbert and Dwight Howard are the only players who have more blocks than Duncan, and they've received 3.5, 4.3, 5.7 and 3.7 whistles per 36 minutes, respectively, this season. Duncan's foul rate? 2.1 fouls per 36 minutes, almost half those shot-blockers collective rate of 4.1 blocks per 36 minutes. Again, the Big Fundamental.

It might be too early to talk about defensive player of the year candidates -- then again, this is the Internet - but the Spurs have been defending like mad this season. They're currently ranking seventh in defensive efficiency on that end of the floor which is the team's highest ranking since 2008-09. Looking at the list of top defensive teams, it's hard not to at least consider Duncan as an early favorite, especially when you consider that he also has the fourth highest defensive rebound rate in the league as well.

As crazy as it sounds, Duncan's path to his first defensive player of the year award could be clearer than ever. Howard's balky back has drastically limited him this season, and Tyson Chandler's candidacy is hurt by the fact that the Knicks currently rank as a below-average defense in efficiency (16th), a ranking that could only get worse when Amar'e Stoudemire returns.

No one has ever won the top defender award after age 34, but that shouldn't stop Duncan from accomplishing the feat. When it comes to basketball, nothing seems to stop Duncan from accomplishing anything.

De-Strad

MVP: Kevin Durant
DPOY: Tim Duncan/Chris Paul
MIP: Jrue Holiday
COY: Mike Woodson
ROY: Damian Lillard
6th Man: Jamal Crawford

All NBA 1st:
Tim Duncan
LeBron James
Kevin Durant
Kobe Bryant
Chris Paul

All NBA 2nd Team
Dwight Howard
Kevin Love
Carmelo Anthony
Stephen Curry
Russell Westbrook

All NBA 3rd Team
Joakim Noah
David Lee
Zach Randolph/Josh Smith
Dwyane Wade
Rajon Rondo

All Rookie 1st Team
Anthony Davis
Michael Kidd-Gilchrist
Alexey Shved
Dion Waiters
Damian Lillard

All Rookie 2nd Team
Andre Drummond
Harrison Barnes
Kyle Singler
Bradley Beal
Austin Rivers (He's gonna step up. Confidence is gaining)

All Defensive 1st Team
Dwight Howard
Tim Duncan
LeBron James
Andre Iguodala
Chris Paul

All Defensive 2nd Team
Tyson Chandler
Serge Ibaka
Josh Smith
Tony Allen
Rajon Rondo

deronwilliams08

•lex• wrote: »

What's with your 3 forwards for 1st team?

Because all 3 deserve to be there. I'm not saying this will be the outcome by the end of the season but so far they are the 3 best players in the league and lead top teams in their conference.

deronwilliams08

Shinobi No Kami wrote: »

Seriously? WTF?!

Let me break it down:

Duncan:
per game: 2.6 blk (#5), 0.9 stl, 8.5 drb (#3), 1.8 pf (blk/pf #1)
per 36 min: 3.0 blk, 1.1 stl, 10.0 drb, 2.1 pf
advanced metrics: 94 Drtg (#2), 1.9 DWS (#3)

Chandler:
per game: 0.9 blk (Seriously, WTF?), 0.7 stl, 5.7 drb (What the bloody fuck?), 3.0 pf (This is getting ridiculous)
per 36 min: 1.0 blk, 0.8 stl, 6.5 drb, 3.5 pf
advanced metrics: 105 Drtg (a chair would do a better job), 0.9 DWS (bench player level)

Individually, it can't be more obvious.

Spurs
Opponent Pts/G: 97.8
Pace: 94.6
DRtg: 101.8 (#7)
eFg%: 0.472 (#5)

Knicks
Opponent Pts/G: 96.7
Pace: 91.1
DRtg: 105.8
eFg%: 0.506

Factoring in pace, it's pretty obvious team-wise as well.

Most of the people in this forum are seriously retarded. Although to be fair, it seems that most of NBA fandom (including, should I say especially, the media) are retarded.

I LOVE Tim Duncan and I think you make a valid point but you seriously need to chill. Name-calling is ridiculously immature.

CaptainCharisma

well DPOY would be a nice addition to the hardware of the greatest PF of all-time, I could proudly say I was there live during one of his career highlights, Pop's DNP-Old game

Pandaemonaeon

Most Improved would be the hardest this year with Harden, Holiday, Curry, Mayo — lots of good candidates, all deserving.

jsonmiles

Di pa pala nag DPOY si Duncan. Sa kanya na talaga yan.. (para sabihin he is an anchor in defense) throughout his career. At least for the 2nd straight year di napunta sa overrated yun DPOY