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Anong mas ok: LED or Energy Savings Lights?

trailblazer_boytrailblazer_boy Member PEx Veteran ⭐⭐
Hello Pexers,

We are buying lights for our whole house. Ano ba ang difference ng LED sa Energy Savings Lights?

Based on my research:

LED
* mas mahal sa Energy Savings. Philipps LED na 6 watts cost around P600 pesos. May 3 years warranty sya
* sabi ng salesman - focus light daw etong LED

Energy Savings
* mas mura sya sa LED. Less than P100.00 for 5 watts bulbs pero NO WARRANTY!


Ano pa bang difference ng dalwa? Alin ang mas ok?

Comments

  • cyberfunkcyberfunk "It's just a flesh wound.." PEx Influencer ⭐⭐⭐
    CFL's or energy saving lights have better ambient light. Tama si salesman na focus light ang LED. It's hard to look at it directly and it's better for directional lighting. For task lighting cfl or fluorescent are ok. Pero I still use incandescent light pa rin for mood lighting. CFL, LED and fluorescent lights are gloomy and not relaxing. Choose your light source. Kung task or security that you will leave overnight CFL's or fluorescent. Kung directional light go for LEDs. For rooms or spaces you want that homey and warm feel you can use incandescent lights like lamps shades, garden or ornamental lamp posts, wall lamps, pendant lamps for the dining table.
  • gotta lick itgotta lick it Member PEx Influencer ⭐⭐⭐
    alam mo kung bakit no warranty?

    blame meralco for its mediocre fluctuating power supply. most if not all LED lights can not handle the fluctuations which cuts down its lifespan or efficiency, so yun expected return of investment ng LED lights is almost similar CFL lights in this situation.


    you have to install a regulator to make it efficient.






    marami ng LED lighting fixtures with multiple purpose even for area lighting and chandeliers. we are expecting a padala from the states with a bacth of chandelier lights to replace our current CFL lights, dati kasi incadescent. and these really looks like chandelier blubs unlike the CFL ones. LED ay hindi lang yan pang kotse.

    the philippines hasnt seen what an LED light system can truly offer. we are in the philippines and we are just relying on what the import market is dumping into our country, plus it is doubtful because of the current situation of our power supply.
  • warlockewarlocke A part of all that is PExer
    Nice! Thanks for the information above, kahit di ako nagtanong it was very useful information. I bought a 4W LED bulb from CDR-King for 180PHP which i use as stair lighting...ok naman siya.....I guess it will take a few more years for color-changing LED light prices to fall down to consumer friendly prices...but i am sure they will be worth the wait
  • trailblazer_boytrailblazer_boy Member PEx Veteran ⭐⭐
    Pero alin sa dalwa ang tunay na tipid sa kuryente?
  • shadermodelshadermodel Member PExer
    if i'm not mistake the lower the watts mas matapid
  • gotta lick itgotta lick it Member PEx Influencer ⭐⭐⭐
    ^ agree *okay*

    besides the low wattage, it is suppose to have a longer lifespan. ROI wise, it is more economical.

    wattage is the amount of electricity consumed by the lighting fixtures.
  • cyberfunkcyberfunk "It's just a flesh wound.." PEx Influencer ⭐⭐⭐
    Pero alin sa dalwa ang tunay na tipid sa kuryente?

    LED has more candle power per wattage. Kaya mas tipid ito base sa bigay ng liwanag. YUn naman ang pinaguusapan dyan eh. Low wattage ka nga pero low light naman. Kaya ang issue is how much many lumens per watt. Kaya LED won. Next issue is kung saan mo gagam,itin ang ilaw like I stated above. Baka magmukhang laging may lamay sa bahay nyo.
  • gotta lick itgotta lick it Member PEx Influencer ⭐⭐⭐
    to understand the complexity of LED ambient lights, you have to consider that these are diodes which just focus direct light. but technology has made ambient LED lamps where in the diodes are distributed to a degree it mimics flourescent or CFL light. yun CFL kasi may gas kay it is good for room lighting.

    C35CandlepearlLEDlightbulb3W44X005WLEDs.jpg
    a chandelier LED light bulb

    C35CandleclearLEDlightbulb3W44X005WLEDs.jpg
    the inside of a chandelier LED light bulb.
    notice how the diodes are distributed evenly.







    before nga walang white na LED. now you have warm white and cool white. medyo late ang philippines by 5 years withh regard to the LED techology. as we speak, may bagong mas effective na LED model na naidevelop to suit our daily needs.

    but get this, the government together with philips is running a program to distribute CFL light bulbs for free in exchange for incandescent lamps. who still uses incandescent lamps, today? philips is running the program because they are trying to get rid of their old CFL stock because they will soon market the LED lamps.
  • gotta lick itgotta lick it Member PEx Influencer ⭐⭐⭐
    ^ ps. sorry sa malaking images. it was the only ones available in photobucket.
  • gaLjgaLj Fair And Guiling Copesmate PExer
    ^ agree *okay*

    besides the low wattage, it is suppose to have a longer lifespan. ROI wise, it is more economical.

    Well, the current LEDs offer lower wattage and twice the lifespan than of a CFL bulb. But it has also has lower lumens and only good for spot/direct lighting (like what Cyberfunk said). You need at least 2-3 LED bulb to match a the same illumination of a 22/23w cfl bulb gives. And also, the cost of alone of a quality LED bulb prohibits wide spread consumer adoption.

    For the life expectancy of a led bulb is a bit theoretical for now (don't be fooled by the salesman or what is written on the box). Our CFLs lasted for 3 -4 years for 12-14 hours of day use. As of LEDs, maybe you can get half of its advertise life at best (the technology is still in infancy). Well...as for the ROI, it will take years before you can notice it, the led bulbs maybe busted by then.
  • gotta lick itgotta lick it Member PEx Influencer ⭐⭐⭐
    checked out the philips website to get some points of comparision.
    there is a slight difference between the CFL and LED wattage. the CFL is 8w and the LED is 9w. wala kasi same wattage yun CFL and LED.

    Energy Saving Lamp
    Philips Essential Stick
    Product# 871829124310600
    8 W (40 W) E27 Cool daylight


    specifications:
    • Shape: Stick
    • Wattage: 8 W
    • Wattage standard bulb: 40 W
    • Fitting/Cap: E27
    • Energy saving: 80 %
    • Lifetime: 8000 hour(s)
    • Lifetime: 4 year(s)
    • Color rendering index (CRI): 80
    • Light effect: Cool daylight
    • Light source: Energy saving lamp
    • Frequency: 50-60 Hz
    • Color temperature: 6500 K
    • Luminous flux lamp: 430 lm
    • Voltage: 220-240 V
    • Dimmable: No
    • Lumen Maintenance 2000h: 85 %
    http://download.p4c.philips.com/files/8/871829124310600/871829124310600_pss_aen.pdf


    Light Emitting Diode Lamp
    Philips myVision LED bulb
    Product# 871829120866200
    9 W(60W) E27 Cool daylight


    specifications:
    • Shape: A55
    • Wattage: 9 W
    • Wattage standard bulb: 60 W
    • Fitting/Cap: E27
    • Voltage: 220-240 V
    • Color rendering index (CRI): 70
    • Dimmable: No
    • Color temperature: 6500 K
    • Lifetime of lamp: 15000 hour(s)
    • Power factor: 0.6
    • Lumen: 600 lm
    • Color: Cool Daylight
    • Mercury content: 0 mg
    http://download.p4c.philips.com/files/8/871829120866200/871829120866200_pss_aen.pdf






    if the debate is between the lumen factor and lifespan, the document says LED is more economical.
  • gotta lick itgotta lick it Member PEx Influencer ⭐⭐⭐
    with regard to your notion of an honest sale man, mayroon din honest. most LED company sales reps, confined to us the problem with the use of LED lights in the Philippines. and even cited examples were the LED lamps failed.

    as mentioned in the previous replies, the cluprit is the fluctuating electricity supply of meralco. the diodes are sensitive to the fluctuations.

    they cite an industrial park were an entire stripe of street lamps burned. and, a conference room of a top architect which was retrofitted to be an LED showcase were the LED lamp burned within less than a year.

    they suggested that they should get referrals to present the benefits of LED light directly to the owner inorder to show the ROI benefits of the product. they also are willing to provide free design for layouts. of course expect them to put additional equipment that would control the electricity fluctuations which some electrical engineer do not provide in their plans.







    another downside, most LED lamps has more that one diode. if one burns out the effectivity also decreases. some companies which carries warranties will just replace the diodes strip. note strip and not only the burned out diode.
  • gaLjgaLj Fair And Guiling Copesmate PExer
    LED vs CFl

    Modern CFLs are designed to last up to 12,000 hours. Of course, most them will reach not the maximum life expectancy. Any modern CFL (from reputable brand) has an average life of 6,000-8,000 hours (You can see it printed on the side of the box) -- it is not that bad considering its dirt cheap price. As of this time, the CFL technology is better because it has reached its maturity compared to the LED technology.

    A LED bulb as advertise will last up to 20-50k hours. The diodes could last that long, but i doubt the capacitors and some of its circuit parts could last even a fourth of its advertise life. The just like any electronics, the capacitors were the first to get replaced (regardless, whether the use is minimal or not). Well, the LED technology is still in its infancy, it will improve over the time just like the CFLs. But one it reached it maturity, we can expect wide spread consumer adaption. But at this point in time, for me the LED bulbs are not really practical for home use because of its steep price (unless you have a deep pocket).
  • gotta lick itgotta lick it Member PEx Influencer ⭐⭐⭐
    for more indepth comparison, readers may check out the philips lights website. they have an interactive website featuring the newest lamp models including those not available in the philippines.

    http://www.ecat.lighting.philips.com.ph/l/






    not giving a thumbs up with the cdr-king LED lamps. remember these are china products. there are china products C, B, A, AA, and AAA. the ratings dictate the quality of the product. yun nga lang, wala yan sa label.
  • malakas ba sa kuryente ang 24wattsled ceiling lamp
  • malakas ba sa kuryente ang 24wattsled ceiling lamp
  • gotta lick itgotta lick it Member PEx Influencer ⭐⭐⭐
    malakas ba sa kuryente ang 24wattsled ceiling lamp
    in comparison to watt?

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