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Privatization is truly a bad thing, and causes more corruption in the Philippines?

We all know that after the 1986 EDSA Revolution, when Cory Cojuangco Aquino became a president, and when the constitution of the Philippines has changed, and the 60/40 Law was established, all of the other companies that was owned and controlled by the government (such as MERALCO, Petron, Maynilad, and PLDT) became fully privatized. And also, RPN, IBC and BBC City 2 was sold to the PCGG (an agency that recovers the wealth of the Marcoses), and BBC City 2 we all know, became, and returned as ABS-CBN (by the Lopez) (also, GMA 7 is also by the Marcoses, instead of the Gozons, and I think GMA 7 is an oligarch company too). And also, next to be privatize is MRT, LRT and the government hospitals like the Heart Center (which is also built by the Marcoses), PGH and Veterans (na tinutuluyan ngayon ni Gloria). And also, is Viva Entertainment, Solar Entertainment Corporation, and Regal Entertainment, also a (public) oligarch company, or not?
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  • mmqbmmqb monday morning quarterback PExer
    The best administrators, managers, and executives are in the private sector. Because corruption is contagious, even if brilliant personnel are lured to work in government, all it does is add to the rampancy of illegal profiteering. As a matter of economic policy privatization is a way to raise govenment revenue by selling assets AND it can also reduce borrowing and deficit spending, which is important especially in a time when your government spends so much money on its CCT program. And the most important factors, privatization rightfully allows market forces to be independent from government while encouraging competition and creating efficiencies.
  • ^
    yan lang ang palabas nila para masabi na mas ok ang ma privatize..hahahaha

    kasi kung me hawak ang Government nang mga ganyan na negosyo, like sa gasolina na hawak noon ang petron, ang shell, caltex at mobil hindi nakapag dikta nang presyo nila kasi the government can pull the prices down...

    same with electricity, kaya nga gusto ni marcos nang BNPP that time para hindi makaporma mga yan...

    now ang ibig sabihin lang nang privatize ay ganito, even if hindi na sila naka upo ay hawak pa din tayo nila sa leeg, sino sino lang ba ang me hawak nang mga nasabi nya dyan, halos ka partido nang mga aquino, so even if hindi sila naka upo parang naka upo pa din sila, kahit na yang mga so called na bibili nang gusto pa nila bilhin like pagcor aquino pa din, petron diba cojuanco na pamilya nila, meralco at abs mga lopez...hahahaha

    kita mo na lang sa bus, simple na lang na example yan, dati sa edsa meron love bus, ano nangyari, di ganito ka traffic at medyo disiplinado ang mga bus, now ano na, labo labo na sa kalye...hahahaha
  • mmqbmmqb monday morning quarterback PExer
    ^Privatization is not without its flaws. But when all the eggs are counted, the good outnumber the bad. I'm going to give you three critical sectors that drive up the economy -- Telcom, Aviation, and Media. Picture a Philippines with a govt ran PLDT (no Smart and possibly no Globe to compete with). Could the govt have spent the same amount money a privately ran PLDT spent in increasing its reach to improve service? The short answer is no. How about a govt ran PAL (with no budget airlines competition) How about an ABS-CBN being ran like its government owned counterpart PTV 4? How many jobs and how many billions do you think it would NOT have created/made had it stayed government owned?
  • ObjectionObjection Too much winning PExer
    Basic needs like electricity and water dapat govt controlled

    Eto lang naman

    The rest dapat private owned na for innovation, quality control and better service
  • paenggoypaenggoy Member ✭✭✭
    The problem lies elsewhere. See other threads referring to the same issue (corruption) for details.
  • mmqb wrote: »
    ^Privatization is not without its flaws. But when all the eggs are counted, the good outnumber the bad. I'm going to give you three critical sectors that drive up the economy -- Telcom, Aviation, and Media. Picture a Philippines with a govt ran PLDT (no Smart and possibly no Globe to compete with). Could the govt have spent the same amount money a privately ran PLDT spent in increasing its reach to improve service? The short answer is no. How about a govt ran PAL (with no budget airlines competition) How about an ABS-CBN being ran like its government owned counterpart PTV 4? How many jobs and how many billions do you think it would NOT have created/made had it stayed government owned?

    dali naman nang sagot dyan..hahaha

    pwede naman sila maglagay din kung gusto nila, yan telco mo? example na lang dyan ay ang gasolina natin, kung hindi pala pwede bakit meron shell, mobil at caltex dati kasabay nang petron na nag regulate nang gasolina non para hindi tayo maloko?..hehehe

    so siguro same din yan, at dyan sa Airlines, PAL ba government, di ko alam kung naging government yan, pero ang MIA non maganda, unlike ngayon nang pumunta ako Singapore nang Sabado, wow ang ganda nang Airport natin, tandang tanda ko pa nang bata ako walang pinag bago, lumain mo lang, pero Singapore, need ko pa ba sabihin gaano kaganda Airport nila..hahahaha

    also wag mo sabihin na walang budget government, walang budget ang government kasi sa dami nang kurakot ngayon, masarap sana ibalik na lang yung mga naka upo or ilan nakaupo dati kesa ngayon na lahat nakasahod sa Pork Barrel na yan...hahahaha

    maganda pa nga hatiin ang senado sa tatlo, like luzon, visayas ang mindanao, kada lugar meron 8 na senador, at pati mga konsehal limitahan lang at kung ano need, alisin yan party list para makaipon nang pang gastos sa dapat at infra ang gobyerno at hindi bulsa nila ang nalalagyan..hahahaha

    alalahanin, $27B lang utang nang pilipinas dati ke makoy nang umalis, now magkano na, triple o higit with out infra, so saan napunta ang budget?...hahahaha
  • ObjectionObjection Too much winning PExer
    Speaking of budget

    Diba nga nagpautang tayo sa europe :lol:

    Marami pang pera nasa reserve gamitin nila yun rather than sleeping money :glee:
  • badofiladabadofilada Member ✭✭
    ^
    yan lang ang palabas nila para masabi na mas ok ang ma privatize..hahahaha

    kasi kung me hawak ang Government nang mga ganyan na negosyo, like sa gasolina na hawak noon ang petron, ang shell, caltex at mobil hindi nakapag dikta nang presyo nila kasi the government can pull the prices down...

    same with electricity, kaya nga gusto ni marcos nang BNPP that time para hindi makaporma mga yan...

    now ang ibig sabihin lang nang privatize ay ganito, even if hindi na sila naka upo ay hawak pa din tayo nila sa leeg, sino sino lang ba ang me hawak nang mga nasabi nya dyan, halos ka partido nang mga aquino, so even if hindi sila naka upo parang naka upo pa din sila, kahit na yang mga so called na bibili nang gusto pa nila bilhin like pagcor aquino pa din, petron diba cojuanco na pamilya nila, meralco at abs mga lopez...hahahaha

    kita mo na lang sa bus, simple na lang na example yan, dati sa edsa meron love bus, ano nangyari, di ganito ka traffic at medyo disiplinado ang mga bus, now ano na, labo labo na sa kalye...hahahaha




    Kasi ang Shell, Caltex at Mobil, imported talaga yan, hindi po talaga Pinoy-made yan. And also, I don't think na Cojuangco talaga ang may-ari ng Petron ngayon. At saka, si Manny Pangilinan na ang hawak ng MERALCO ngayon.
  • stepehenyan@12[email protected] haremnojutsu ✭✭
    mahirap ng iasa sa gobyerno pagpapatakbo ng utilities lagi nauuwi sa corruption tapos nababaon ang gobyerno sa utang. Pero ang prublema paano ipapasa ng gobyerno sa pribado kung wala naman gusto mag invest dahil baon sa utang. Ayaw naman baguhin constitution tungkol sa foreign ownership ng mga utilities. wala naman pilipino sa bansa ang me sapat mamumuhunan para magpatakbo ng utilitie!?
  • gotta lick itgotta lick it Member ✭✭✭
    capitalism = corruption








    it is not privatization which is a bad thing.
  • badofiladabadofilada Member ✭✭
    Di ba yung mga Aquino-Cojuangco-Lopez, hindi talaga sila ala-Temasek ng Singapore (ata), at saka, hindi talaga sila mga Lee Kuan Yew ng Singapore na ituring ata, di ba tama ako. At saka, 2 of the retained Marcos cronies: Lucio Tan and Danding Cojuangco, naging oligarch na talaga sila ngayon.
  • badofilada wrote: »
    Kasi ang Shell, Caltex at Mobil, imported talaga yan, hindi po talaga Pinoy-made yan. And also, I don't think na Cojuangco talaga ang may-ari ng Petron ngayon. At saka, si Manny Pangilinan na ang hawak ng MERALCO ngayon.

    sino ba me hawak nang petron?..hehehe

    also walang kaso kahit si pangilinan pa, ang kaso ay yung dapat na infra natin walang nagawa, like ke makoy ewan ko ilan geothermal ang pinatayo nyan, kung natuloy pa yan BNPP ano tingin mo magiging epekto sa atin?

    at napapasok mo sa mga post mo singapore, tanong kanino ang pag aari nang mga yon, sa private na tao or sa gobyerno? ask mo lang sa lupa kung meron silang matuturin na pag aari dyan sa singapore...

    also mas maganda ang meron control din ang gobyerno, pero kung ang nasa government ay corrupt like sa mga naka upo ngayon walang gagawin yan kung hindi mag pataba nang bulsa lang nila, kaya nga gusto nila makuha ang mga pag aari nang government...

    walang kaso ang kompetensya, pwede naman sila pumasok, pero now ano nangyari, me nabasa akong title destiny mapupunta na din sa lopez? now ask mo sarili mo, sino sino ang me control sa mga negosyo sa pilipinas, mga pinoy or iilang tao lang?
  • b_9904b_9904 The one and only PExer
    Objection wrote: »
    Speaking of budget

    Diba nga nagpautang tayo sa europe :lol:

    Marami pang pera nasa reserve gamitin nila yun rather than sleeping money :glee:

    Delikadong idea yan :lol:
  • badofiladabadofilada Member ✭✭
    sino ba me hawak nang petron?..hehehe

    also walang kaso kahit si pangilinan pa, ang kaso ay yung dapat na infra natin walang nagawa, like ke makoy ewan ko ilan geothermal ang pinatayo nyan, kung natuloy pa yan BNPP ano tingin mo magiging epekto sa atin?

    at napapasok mo sa mga post mo singapore, tanong kanino ang pag aari nang mga yon, sa private na tao or sa gobyerno? ask mo lang sa lupa kung meron silang matuturin na pag aari dyan sa singapore...

    also mas maganda ang meron control din ang gobyerno, pero kung ang nasa government ay corrupt like sa mga naka upo ngayon walang gagawin yan kung hindi mag pataba nang bulsa lang nila, kaya nga gusto nila makuha ang mga pag aari nang government...

    walang kaso ang kompetensya, pwede naman sila pumasok, pero now ano nangyari, me nabasa akong title destiny mapupunta na din sa lopez? now ask mo sarili mo, sino sino ang me control sa mga negosyo sa pilipinas, mga pinoy or iilang tao lang?


    Ang may hawak ng Petron pala, ay si Ramon S. Ang, ang tauhan ni Danding Cojuangco (may-ari ng San Miguel Corporation ngayon), tapos, ginawang anak ng San Miguel Corporation pala. At saka, nabasa ko rin tungkol dun sa Destiny Cable na mapupunta din talaga ito sa Lopez. At saka, karamihan sa mga Chinese-Filipino (like Henry Sy), at ang mga Ayala, at saka mga Lopez, at si Pangilinan, na me hawak sa mga negosyo sa Pilipinas ngayon.
  • badofilada wrote: »
    Ang may hawak ng Petron pala, ay si Ramon S. Ang, ang tauhan ni Danding Cojuangco (may-ari ng San Miguel Corporation ngayon), tapos, ginawang anak ng San Miguel Corporation pala. At saka, nabasa ko rin tungkol dun sa Destiny Cable na mapupunta din talaga ito sa Lopez. At saka, karamihan sa mga Chinese-Filipino (like Henry Sy), at ang mga Ayala, at saka mga Lopez, at si Pangilinan, na me hawak sa mga negosyo sa Pilipinas ngayon.

    so ano ang pinagka iba sa sinasabi nila na nasa government kung iilan tao lang ang me hawak, diba ang pagcor parang tauhan din ni danding or something?

    si pangilinan parang front lang din yan, same with sa tauhan ni cojuanco, so yan ang ibig kong sabihin, walang pinag kaiba, parang hawak lang nila tayo, example mo na din ang jolibee, nang lumakas ang inasal ano ginawa?

    so yang competition na sinasabi nyo bale wala pa din, parang intel lang yan dati, nang wala ang AMD halos kaya nila hawakan ang presyo nang mga CPU at kaya nila mag taas, kaya mahal dati ang mga computers, now nag mura dahil meron nang AMD..

    so same banana dito, hawak nila tayo pag dating sa mga basic needs natin, like electricity and gas, so pwede nila mapalabas na KUNO mataas sa world market at makikita naman kung magkano ang binababa nang langis laban sa pag taas nito..

    problem din talaga, we need a good leader to lead us, dapat maalis na yang mga corrupt at nag papangap na hindi corrupt, para maayos itong bansa na ito, just like Singapore, kung gumaya sila sa atin dati, well sana magaya natin naman sila at sabi nga walang corrupt don..
  • BeerhandBopBeerhandBop I Am WHIP ✭✭✭
    there are some services that should remain publicly owned, and some that can be privately owned.

    PUBLIC TRANSPORTATION is not one of them.

    public utilities can be privately owned.
  • badofiladabadofilada Member ✭✭
    so ano ang pinagka iba sa sinasabi nila na nasa government kung iilan tao lang ang me hawak, diba ang pagcor parang tauhan din ni danding or something?

    si pangilinan parang front lang din yan, same with sa tauhan ni cojuanco, so yan ang ibig kong sabihin, walang pinag kaiba, parang hawak lang nila tayo, example mo na din ang jolibee, nang lumakas ang inasal ano ginawa?

    so yang competition na sinasabi nyo bale wala pa din, parang intel lang yan dati, nang wala ang AMD halos kaya nila hawakan ang presyo nang mga CPU at kaya nila mag taas, kaya mahal dati ang mga computers, now nag mura dahil meron nang AMD..

    so same banana dito, hawak nila tayo pag dating sa mga basic needs natin, like electricity and gas, so pwede nila mapalabas na KUNO mataas sa world market at makikita naman kung magkano ang binababa nang langis laban sa pag taas nito..

    problem din talaga, we need a good leader to lead us, dapat maalis na yang mga corrupt at nag papangap na hindi corrupt, para maayos itong bansa na ito, just like Singapore, kung gumaya sila sa atin dati, well sana magaya natin naman sila at sabi nga walang corrupt don..


    Yung computer, mura ngayon sa Pinas, pero, yung mga laptop (yata), Android, Apple (lalu na ang iGadgets like iPad), at saka, Blackberry, mahal pa rin hanggang ngayon. Paano talaga magfa-Facebook, magpe-PEX at saka, magti-Twitter, at magya-Yahoo! pag mahal talaga ang computer, at di ba umalis ang Intel sa Pilipinas dahil sa red tape, di ba.. And also, thanks for that info. And let's give P-Noy a chance (since non-stop na talaga ang pagtaas ng ekonomiya sa Pilipinas).
  • paenggoypaenggoy Member ✭✭✭
    capitalism = corruption

    it is not privatization which is a bad thing.

    You have to keep in mind that one aspect of capitalism (at least free market capitalism) is privatization.
  • sugargamesugargame Member PExer
    Maybe the problem lies elsewhere.

    Government corporations are seen as bad because management is awarded to cronies who give themselves hefty commisions then they focus their services only on "territories" which are ran by political alllies. Private corporations are of the same breed because they bribe politicians to grant the franchise in their favor and the profits go directly to very few rich shareholders instead of the public revenues. Our local private corporations are different from foreign ones where stock ownership is distributed relatively evenly among many people. So much for spreading the wealth to the public.

    We need a new organizational structure that is truly post-industrial. I'm thinking of ownership that is reallly distributed to at least 30% of the whole population of the Philippines, ultimate transparency down to the last cent, and all operations are decided via consensus of all the owners instead of one or few managers. This is possible nowadays because of internet.
  • badofiladabadofilada Member ✭✭
    sugargame wrote: »
    Maybe the problem lies elsewhere.

    Government corporations are seen as bad because management is awarded to cronies who give themselves hefty commisions then they focus their services only on "territories" which are ran by political alllies. Private corporations are of the same breed because they bribe politicians to grant the franchise in their favor and the profits go directly to very few rich shareholders instead of the public revenues. Our local private corporations are different from foreign ones where stock ownership is distributed relatively evenly among many people. So much for spreading the wealth to the public.

    We need a new organizational structure that is truly post-industrial. I'm thinking of ownership that is reallly distributed to at least 30% of the whole population of the Philippines, ultimate transparency down to the last cent, and all operations are decided via consensus of all the owners instead of one or few managers. This is possible nowadays because of internet.


    Ano'ng kailangan mo, di ba industrialization again, and more of the CCT programs, am I right?
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