Abortion

Ateo

A thousand times more sensitive than RH, abortion is illegal in the Philippines and will not get any vote from Congress if a bill would be brought to it.

But the fact remains that up to 800,000 abortions happen each year in the country -- done illegally in back alleys or dingy offices of unlicensed practitioners. Why?

Then, there is this news in France. France used to be the most Catholic country in Europe. Its Lourdes pilgrimage site is still the most popular Catholic site in Europe. But today, the French parliament declared that abortion is free. The $850-procedure will be reimbursed by the government.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/10/26/france-free-abortion-bill_n_2023729.html

Why did the French do it? To spite God or challenge Him? To emphasize their lack of morals? Why? I used the French example here to point out that the French government and people are not immoral. They consciously made this decision on ethical grounds -- their view of ethics. Secular people are not devoid of morality as ElCid alleged; they have a complete set of moral principles, albeit totally different than what ElCid believes in.

caporegime

I'd suggest nip it in the bud, pharmaceutical companies ought to research and release an anti-libido pill. But who would take it? I think we'd need another pill for that. *ʞıɥ*

mani94

Are Catholics and Muslims Natural Allies on a Host of Moral Issues?

Source:
http://www.thecatholicthing.org/columns/2012/working-with-the-muslims.html

Working with the Muslims
by Austin Ruse (President of the New York and Washington, D.C.-based Catholic Family & Human Rights Institute (C-FAM))

On the negotiating floor, I approached a Muslim ambassador and said, “This session is going all night long and its going to be very tough going. And when it gets really hard, I want you to know that right over there,” and I pointed to a section of raised seats off to the side, “twenty Christians will be praying for you.”

That night this man was a tiger in defense of unborn children. The gathered western governments, along with U. N. bureaucrats, hungered for a right to abortion that would require nations to allow for the unrestricted killing of their unborn babies.



He rose time and time again to stop dangerous language from entering into that document. He pounded on his desk. At one point, he even rose in defense of our Christian NGOs who had come under attack from the European Union. As the sun rose, his efforts, our efforts, paid off. An alleged right to abortion was stopped once more.

No one knows the yearly global body count owing to abortion. Is it 50 million? The “official” data say so, but it is likely more; possibly much more. This represents the grossest human rights tragedy of all time and would get exponentially worse if U.N. radicals get their way.

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If only the so-called Christian nations stood with us. It is post-Christian Europe that leads the fight to make abortion the law of the world. Even such solid countries as Poland and Malta go along with Germany, France, and the United Kingdom after the EU takes a common position, which is almost always in favor of the culture of death.

What about Catholic Latin America? There are a number of reasons they are not with us. Their elites long ago sidled up to Europe on the question of abortion. They view abortion practically as a sacrament and also a badge of sophistication. Their governments also do not want to be hectored by U.N. “human rights” committees who push for a universal right to abortion.

Ateo

Yes, Mani, the Catholics are the Muslims of the Christian world. You are natural allies at the UN, although I am sorry that they are not proud of you as their partners.

Ischaramoochie

it's god's will that the french supported abortion. we are in no position to question it.

manubol_rama

@ ateo, do you have any info on up to what pre-natal stage can a french woman legally expel the fetus from her womb?

we already know that abortion is illegal here in PH but our civil code provides in part that if a fetus with an intra-uterine life of less than 7 months is born, it has to survive for at least 24 hours before it can acquire legal personality. correlating this provision mutatis mutandis with a theoretical (and @constitutionally sound) pro-abortion law in the ph, then filipinas can so choose to terminate unwanted pregnancies up to that point -before the fetus reaches an intra-uterine life of 7 months. of course, lawmakers can simply provide for an earlier period but at least we know that there is some legal justification to abort a fetus who is not yet 7 months old if provided by law.

@constitutional guarantee of equal protection of life of both mother and unborn can be construed liberally, imho.

tonton

Ateo wrote: »

A thousand times more sensitive than RH, abortion is illegal in the Philippines and will not get any vote from Congress if a bill would be brought to it.

But the fact remains that up to 800,000 abortions happen each year in the country -- done illegally in back alleys or dingy offices of unlicensed practitioners. Why?

Then, there is this news in France. France used to be the most Catholic country in Europe. Its Lourdes pilgrimage site is still the most popular Catholic site in Europe. But today, the French parliament declared that abortion is free. The $850-procedure will be reimbursed by the government.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/10/26/france-free-abortion-bill_n_2023729.html

Why did the French do it? To spite God or challenge Him? To emphasize their lack of morals? Why? I used the French example here to point out that the French government and people are not immoral. They consciously made this decision on ethical grounds -- their view of ethics. Secular people are not devoid of morality as ElCid alleged; they have a complete set of moral principles, albeit totally different than what ElCid believes in.

Probably the French people are sick of religion. They can stand up to the clergy anytime, anywhere.

marcus_hunt

manubol_rama wrote: »

@ ateo, do you have any info on up to what pre-natal stage can a french woman legally expel the fetus from her womb?

we already know that abortion is illegal here in PH but our civil code provides in part that if a fetus with an intra-uterine life of less than 7 months is born, it has to survive for at least 24 hours before it can acquire legal personality. correlating this provision mutatis mutandis with a theoretical (and @constitutionally sound) pro-abortion law in the ph, then filipinas can so choose to terminate unwanted pregnancies up to that point -before the fetus reaches an intra-uterine life of 7 months. of course, lawmakers can simply provide for an earlier period but at least we know that there is some legal justification to abort a fetus who is not yet 7 months old if provided by law.

@constitutional guarantee of equal protection of life of both mother and unborn can be construed liberally, imho.

regardless of the reason for aborting?

manubol_rama

marcus_hunt wrote: »

regardless of the reason for aborting?

no, only for valid legal reasons which the law may expressly enumerate.
i can't imagine myself dealing with with an irate gf threatening to have our about to be born offspring aborted because i'm seeing somebody else.

mani94

Ateo wrote: »

Yes, Mani, the Catholics are the Muslims of the Christian world. You are natural allies at the UN, although I am sorry that they are not proud of you as their partners.

Wala sila choice eh... I'm sure si alaskador mangdidiri of the thought of having Muslims as allies lolz.... it's a "stealth" jihad and the pope is going along with it...

gotta lick it

abortion is a sensitive case. just consider a case of a ***** victim who wants an abortion because she did not choose to have the child. it would be an easy arguement if it is just a matter of population control but pregnancy as a result of ***** is another matter.






abortion as a proceedure for population controls is immoral. RH Bill Now!