Bakit kailangang pagdebatihan ang paniniwala?

ftwcp955

Why can't we just respect each other's beliefs?

Ateo

ftwcp955 wrote: »

Why can't we just respect each other's beliefs?

We should, but only to a point. Some aspects of beliefs are harmful to society, thus must be debated.

If a group believes that condoms are bad because some gods somewhere are offended, then those who believe that condoms can save lives should debate the issue.

And there are hundreds of important issues in society of which disagreements are caused by infallible, unbending beliefs.

marcus_hunt

How would you respect my belief if it tells me that those who dont share my beliefs are stupid, waste of breathable air and should be eradicated?

A muslim cant respect a christian's belief because a christian believes jesus is god, while the muslim believes there's only one god and he cant have a son.

Kunyari lang yan respect respect na yan when it comes to religions.

XIII

ftwcp955 wrote: »

Why can't we just respect each other's beliefs?

We can (and should) but only up to a point.

As Ateo has pointed out, there are beliefs that should be challenged (in fact, as moral imperatives) such as racial beliefs, bigoted beliefs, genocidal beliefs, murderous beliefs, criminal beliefs, etc.

wimpy_kid

XIII wrote: »

We can (and should) but only up to a point.

As Ateo has pointed out, there are beliefs that should be challenged (in fact, as moral imperatives) such as racial beliefs, bigoted beliefs, genocidal beliefs, murderous beliefs, criminal beliefs, etc.

I don't think "respect" should be the term. If youre a christian or muslim , you might find it hard to "respect" something you don't agree with, for example, hinduism.

Tolerate should be the term. You "tolerate" other people's belief. You put up with it. Sure you still find it funny or annoying, pero you don't lash out and force the other to concede and join you, or inflict physical harm to others when you find yourselves disagreeing on something

XIII

A useful distinction (and true) but there's no reason it couldn't be both. Much depends on the peculiarities of the belief inviting circumspection and whether it invites respect or merely deserves toleration.

Anyway, good observation.

Rev1913

Hindi naman dapat pagdibatihan ang paniniwala. Ang nangyayari lamang, pag ang isang tao ay may nalaman na, sa hindi niya napapansin, inakala niyang marami na siyang alam. Patungkol naman sa relihiyon, inakala ng tao na siya ay matuwid na.

Madaling unawain ng tao ang Aklat na gawa ng tao. Mula man ito sa pilosopiya ng tao o sa kanyang pagsasaliksik..Mabasa man natin ang lahat ng aklat na gawa ng tao, kung nanatili pa rin tayong empleyado at pinapayaman ang mga Kapitalista, ano ang naidulot sa atin ng aklat? Sana natulad tayo kay Bill GAtes at sa iba pang yumaman.

Tungkol naman sa Bible, bakit nagtatalo-talo ang mga sekta ng relihiyon? Talaga bang nauunawaan nila ang Hiwagang nakasulat sa Biblia? Mahiwaga ang nilalaman ng Biblia kaya ang iba, naguguluhan at sa halip na saliksikin pa ay sumuko at kinamuhian pa.

tarugo777

Rev1913 wrote: »

Hindi naman dapat pagdibatihan ang paniniwala. Ang nangyayari lamang, pag ang isang tao ay may nalaman na, sa hindi niya napapansin, inakala niyang marami na siyang alam. Patungkol naman sa relihiyon, inakala ng tao na siya ay matuwid na.

Madaling unawain ng tao ang Aklat na gawa ng tao. Mula man ito sa pilosopiya ng tao o sa kanyang pagsasaliksik..Mabasa man natin ang lahat ng aklat na gawa ng tao, kung nanatili pa rin tayong empleyado at pinapayaman ang mga Kapitalista, ano ang naidulot sa atin ng aklat? Sana natulad tayo kay Bill GAtes at sa iba pang yumaman.

Tungkol naman sa Bible, bakit nagtatalo-talo ang mga sekta ng relihiyon? Talaga bang nauunawaan nila ang Hiwagang nakasulat sa Biblia? Mahiwaga ang nilalaman ng Biblia kaya ang iba, naguguluhan at sa halip na saliksikin pa ay sumuko at kinamuhian pa.

Kasamang Rev1913..may punto ka rin na hindi dapat pagdebatihan ang paniniwala.
Ang debate naman ay isa ring way ito para mas mapatunayan pa ng isang tao ang katotohanan ng kanyang paniniwala.

ftwcp955

Ateo wrote: »

We should, but only to a point. Some aspects of beliefs are harmful to society, thus must be debated.

If a group believes that condoms are bad because some gods somewhere are offended, then those who believe that condoms can save lives should debate the issue.

And there are hundreds of important issues in society of which disagreements are caused by infallible, unbending beliefs.

Harmful to who? ang debate ba ay kayang tangalin ang harmful na sinasabi mo.
Condom, if they respect the beliefs of other and let them use the condom even though they are not using it. May conflict ba?

Imagine a world without anyone saying that you are wrong and I am the right one and vice versa. May gyera kaya?

Anyway if you believe that debate is important so be it I'll leave it that way. Yung ibang post pag may time ko na lang sasaguting salamat sa posting.
May your beliefs and Gods guide you always.

Baldozer

Hindi na dapat pagdebatehan, yung fruits ng Simbahang Katolika ang nagpapatotoo, miracles, good works and promoting PEACE. Kung wala yan sa isang grupo, di totoo yan. To see the fruits is to believe di ba?

marcus_hunt

Ano nga yun verse na yun? With the fruits youll know them?
Tapos may fruits yun RC na pedophile priest... paano na?

Baltasar

For Whom Were You Weeping? "There is a story about a great sage, Narada, who came to Vishnu. Vishnu is one of the aspects of the godhead, Brahma. Brahma is usually the word given to the creator aspect, Vishnu to the preserving aspect, and Shiva to the destructive aspect. When Narada came to Vishnu and said, 'What is the secret of your maya?' Vishnu took him and threw him into a pool. The moment he fell under the water he was born as a princess in a very great family, and went through all the experiences of childhood as a little girl. She finally married a prince from another kingdom and went to live with him in his kingdom.

They lived there in tremendous prosperity, with palaces and peacocks, but suddenly there was a war and their kingdom was attacked and utterly destroyed. The prince himself was killed in battle, and he was cremated. As a dutiful wife, the princess was about to throw herself weeping on to the funeral pyre and burn herself in an act of suttee or self-sacrifice. But suddenly Narada woke to find himself being pulled out of the pool by his hair by Vishnu, who said, 'For whom were you weeping?'... So, that is the idea of the whole world being a magical illusion, but done so skillfully - by whom? By You, basically. Not 'you' the empirical ego, not 'you' who is just a kind of focus of conscious attention with memories that are strung together into what you call 'my everyday self.' Rather, it is the 'you' that is responsible for growing your hair, coloring your eyes, arranging the shape of your bones. The deeply responsible 'you' IS what is responsible for all this."

―Alan Watts

skye_phoenix

ftwcp955 wrote: »

Why can't we just respect each other's beliefs?

What a question!

Of course, masaya makipag talo, duh!

And for me, hindi porket nakikipag debate ako sa mga taong iba ang paniniwala sa paniniwala ko it doesn't mean I no longer respect what they believe in, I only question it.

And without these debates and arguments, RoT is booooring.

D'ya know whatta mean?

caporegime

One only needs to debate if they themselves are "unsure" (unconsciously, that is). *ʞıɥ*

Ateo

Bakit kailangang pagdebatihan ang paniniwala?

I think it is an improvement. We used to kill each other for our beliefs. ElCid's aggressive debating is so much better than what could have happened before. His Catholic forebears used to be able to burn us at the stakes.

caporegime

Ateo wrote: »

Bakit kailangang pagdebatihan ang paniniwala?

I think it is an improvement. We used to kill each other for our beliefs. ElCid's aggressive debating is so much better than what could have happened before. His Catholic forebears used to be able to burn us at the stakes.

I think killing each other for their belief's is a good idea: The outcome would be a great example for Darwin's 'natural selection'. *ʞıɥ*

Ateo

caporegime wrote: »

I think killing each other for their belief's is a good idea: The outcome would be a great example for Darwin's 'natural selection'. *ʞıɥ*

There is a problem. Natural selection will select the most aggressive and most unified. That is how evolution favored the Muslims.

caporegime

Ateo wrote: »

There is a problem. Natural selection will select the most aggressive and most unified. That is how evolution favored the Muslims.

Can't be too sure, I think can raise a bunch of much more aggressive and unified Christians at the nick of time even though I'm pantheist. *ʞıɥ*

ftwcp955

marcus_hunt wrote: »

How would you respect my belief if it tells me that those who dont share my beliefs are stupid, waste of breathable air and should be eradicated?

A muslim cant respect a christian's belief because a christian believes jesus is god, while the muslim believes there's only one god and he cant have a son.

Kunyari lang yan respect respect na yan when it comes to religions.

And they think just the same about you. When will it stop? We are debating or worse killing and even war, while somewhere along the way someone is profiting out of it.
Why can't we make the respect for real and not kunyari kunyarian lang?

Muslims belief? Let them believe in their faith, and for the muslims here leave the christians, bhuddists, hindus etch. alone in beliefs, is it harder than debating or worse killing each other?

ftwcp955

XIII wrote: »

We can (and should) but only up to a point.

As Ateo has pointed out, there are beliefs that should be challenged (in fact, as moral imperatives) such as racial beliefs, bigoted beliefs, genocidal beliefs, murderous beliefs, criminal beliefs, etc.

Tell me, why all the things you mentioned are happening? Ano ang ugat ng lahat?

ftwcp955

skye_phoenix wrote: »

What a question!

Of course, masaya makipag talo, duh!

And for me, hindi porket nakikipag debate ako sa mga taong iba ang paniniwala sa paniniwala ko it doesn't mean I no longer respect what they believe in, I only question it.

And without these debates and arguments, RoT is booooring.

D'ya know whatta mean?

No I don't know what you mean, Masaya kapag may katalo( lalu na kung diyos ang pinagtatalunan)? Hindi kaya mas masaya kung lahat ng relihiyon ay nagrerespetuhan at nagmamahalan, and for sure will end most wars that is going on right now, anyway eto naman ang depinisyong ng Gods sa halos alin mang relihiyon(LOVE and PEACE).
Boring ang RoT without a debate? Do you believe in your god and come here in RoT just to ease your boredom? Without debate and arguments then goodbye pex who's making a profit out of our pagtatalo.