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Honour Killings

salermosalermo Lion PEx Influencer ⭐⭐⭐
This kind of occurrence happened in Canada for at least 3 times during the years with similar circumstances, usually in a muslim environment.

What we want to know from our Muslim brethren why is this supposed to happen especially in a non-muslim adopted country.

Just because they think that there is dishonour in the muslim family will this kind of unfortunate consequences befall between the victims and the accused unmindful of the rule of law in their adopted country?


http://www.cp24.com/servlet/an/local/CTVNews/20120129/120129_Shafia_Jury/20120129/?hub=CP24Home




CNN Breaking NewsMonday, January 30, 2012 2:22 AM
From: "CNN Breaking News"

A jury in Kingston, Ontario, on Sunday convicted three members of a Montreal family in "honor" murders of four relatives, according to CNN Canada affiliate CTV.
Mohammed Shafia, 58; his wife, Tooba Mohammad Yahya, 42; and their son, Hamed, 21, were convicted of first-degree murder in the deaths of Shafia's three teenage daughters and his first wife in his polygamous marriage.
The family members were all recent immigrants to Canada from Afghanistan.
The three Shafia sisters -- Zainab, 19, Sahar, 17, and Geeti, 13 -- were found dead inside a car that plunged into the Rideau Canal in Kingston on June 30, 2009. Shafia's first wife, 50-year-old Rona Amir Mohammad, also died.
Investigators said that hours of wiretapped conversations revealed a premeditated plan to punish rebellious, Westernized daughters and their permissive advocate, Rona Amir Mohammad.
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  • tontontonton Let's stop and talk awhile. PExer
    They come to Canada not ready to follow Canadian laws and culture that do not give a shit about religion. You break the law, you go to jail regardless of what you believe in.
  • AteoAteo Non est Deus. Fac cum eo. PEx Influencer ⭐⭐⭐
    They are now all over Europe, Canada, Australia, etc. Conservative Muslims practicing their medieval religion. The only solution is strong secularization of our cultures.

    Not a big problem in the US though, heheheh, where the strong 911-flavor of our laws and practice do not tolerate them. Any hint of honor killing here, and the US would ship out an entire tribe of Muslims back to Mogadishu.
  • tontontonton Let's stop and talk awhile. PExer
    Marami ding Indian na ganyan.
  • salermosalermo Lion PEx Influencer ⭐⭐⭐
    tonton wrote: »
    They come to Canada not ready to follow Canadian laws and culture that do not give a shit about religion. You break the law, you go to jail regardless of what you believe in.

    Then there is a need from the originating country to familiarize would be immigrants to know the fundamental law of their intended country of adoption so that such senseless killings won't happen.
  • tontontonton Let's stop and talk awhile. PExer
    salermo wrote: »
    Then there is a need from the originating country to familiarize would be immigrants to know the fundamental law of their intended country of adoption so that such senseless killings won't happen.

    Canada conducts seminars for immigrants before they leave their countries. At isa pa, hindi kailangan ng seminar para sabihin na bawal pumatay ng tao sa Canada. Ubod ng tanga talaga ang hindi nakakaalam yan, o kaya hindi tao.
  • salermosalermo Lion PEx Influencer ⭐⭐⭐
    tonton wrote: »
    Canada conducts seminars for immigrants before they leave their countries. At isa pa, hindi kailangan ng seminar para sabihin na bawal pumatay ng tao sa Canada. Ubod ng tanga talaga ang hindi nakakaalam yan, o kaya hindi tao.


    :rotflmao: That's a good one! :rotflmao:

    Maski gawin nilang pumatay sa sariling bayan nila na bawal pumatay sila'y ta..nga pa rin at hindi tao. :lol:

    But the originating country itself must educate their own kind of what will result if such custom will prevail outside their own in a new environment.
  • tontontonton Let's stop and talk awhile. PExer
    For the Philippines we have the PDOS - Pre Departure Orientation Seminar. The contents of the seminar depends on their country of destination.
  • kuroihikarikuroihikari Moderator PExer
    salermo wrote: »
    What we want to know from our Muslim brethren why is this supposed to happen especially in a non-muslim adopted country.

    I'm more interested to know why they're sticking to this ancient and counterproductive law at a time when people aren't exactly fond of Muslims.
  • AteoAteo Non est Deus. Fac cum eo. PEx Influencer ⭐⭐⭐
    I'm more interested to know why they're sticking to this ancient and counterproductive law at a time when people aren't exactly fond of Muslims.


    It is their coping mechanism to the stress brought about by the need to adjust to a foreign land.

    Similar symptoms really to the Filipino community in New York, although milder and not criminal. In any community event here, you will see everybody wearing barong tagalog and Maria Clara. It is more traditional than in any event in Manila. And the oldies -- rich and powerful -- tend to be haughty and class-conscious. Think of it as Manila high-society 1970s. The fact is that these people were migrants in the 1970s and they held on to Manila 1970s style even if Manila itself has already rolled into the new millennium.
  • kos_moskos_mos Thus I am Convinced PExer
    salermo wrote: »
    This kind of occurrence happened in Canada for at least 3 times during the years with similar circumstances, usually in a muslim environment.

    What we want to know from our Muslim brethren why is this supposed to happen especially in a non-muslim adopted country.

    Just because they think that there is dishonour in the muslim family will this kind of unfortunate consequences befall between the victims and the accused unmindful of the rule of law in their adopted country?

    To begin with, "honor killing" does not exist in Islam, it IS prohibited.

    Whether in a Muslim-majority country or not, it should not be allowed.

    The blame falls entirely on whomever commits that abhorred act and continues its practice.
  • sophionsophion Member PEx Veteran ⭐⭐
    kos_mos wrote: »
    To begin with, "honor killing" does not exist in Islam, it IS prohibited.
    so why do you think its most common among muslims?
  • mani94mani94 ex-Catholic PExer
    How about yung "Christian" pinoy na lalaki na minasaker yung family nya (dahil lang sa pulutan?), that was 3-4 weeks ago lang, turo rin ba yun dito sa pinas? sa "Christianity"? :(

    Man massacres family over 'pulutan'


    massacretondomet1.jpg

    http://www.philstar.com/nation/article.aspx?publicationsubcategoryid=65&articleid=764861

    or yung mga minor's na nangrape ng mga babae? :hmm: turo ba yan sa pinas? or sa "Christianity"? :hmm:
  • TLGTLG The Dark Knight PExer
    mani94 wrote: »
    How about yung "Christian" pinoy na lalaki na minasaker yung family nya (dahil lang sa pulutan?), that was 3-4 weeks ago lang, turo rin ba yun dito sa pinas? sa "Christianity"? :(

    Man massacres family over 'pulutan'


    http://img819.imageshack.us/img819/5613/massacretondomet1.jpg

    http://www.philstar.com/nation/article.aspx?publicationsubcategoryid=65&articleid=764861

    or yung mga minor's na nangrape ng mga babae? :hmm: turo ba yan sa pinas? or sa "Christianity"? :hmm:

    Walanghiya ka mani anong kuneksyon sa religion ng pulutan!:lol::rotflmao::rotflmao:
  • mani94mani94 ex-Catholic PExer
    Check this video:

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    Click and watch her videos here: Judge Marlyn Moringten Reverts

    Marilyn Mornington is District Judge as well as a lecturer and writer on Family Law and in particular, domestic violence and elder abuse. Both nationally and internationally, she has worked on multiple publications in these areas.

    She has been involved in various advisory and consultative capacities with the BBC, the Foreign Office, the Pakistani Government and Police force, the British Council and the Home Office, among many others.

    In the last year alone she has contributed to an NSPCC report on abuse in UK Asian Communities, acted as patron to Karma Nirvana, an Asian men and women's project, contributed to a Home Affairs Select Committee on Domestic Violence and Forced Marriage and worked on an International Foreign Office exhibition and publication on the subject of integration. She also lectured on International Law and Human Rights at LSE, the Commonwealth Institute, Sheffield University and Punjab Law School in 2007 and 2008.

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  • mani94mani94 ex-Catholic PExer
    TLG wrote: »
    Walanghiya ka mani anong kuneksyon sa religion ng pulutan!:lol::rotflmao::rotflmao:

    its the same... honor killings has nothing to do with Islam...

    same as pulutan killings has nothing to do with the christian teachings...
  • sophionsophion Member PEx Veteran ⭐⭐
    mani94 wrote: »
    its the same... honor killings has nothing to do with Islam...

    same as pulutan killings has nothing to do with the christian teachings...

    kahit saang cultura may patayan ng dahil sa pagkain.

    pero iyung honor killings sa muslim karamihayan yan. bakit?
  • tontontonton Let's stop and talk awhile. PExer
    TLG wrote: »
    Walanghiya ka mani anong kuneksyon sa religion ng pulutan!:lol::rotflmao::rotflmao:

    Papatay din ako kung may mangingialam sa pulutan kong kinilaw o sashimi.
  • tontontonton Let's stop and talk awhile. PExer
    Ateo wrote: »
    It is their coping mechanism to the stress brought about by the need to adjust to a foreign land.

    Similar symptoms really to the Filipino community in New York, although milder and not criminal. In any community event here, you will see everybody wearing barong tagalog and Maria Clara. It is more traditional than in any event in Manila. And the oldies -- rich and powerful -- tend to be haughty and class-conscious. Think of it as Manila high-society 1970s. The fact is that these people were migrants in the 1970s and they held on to Manila 1970s style even if Manila itself has already rolled into the new millennium.

    Immigration can trap you in the past? :eek:
  • salermosalermo Lion PEx Influencer ⭐⭐⭐
    kos_mos wrote: »
    To begin with, "honor killing" does not exist in Islam, it IS prohibited.

    Whether in a Muslim-majority country or not, it should not be allowed.

    The blame falls entirely on whomever commits that abhorred act and continues its practice.

    In a Muslim majority country it is by any indication a clerically induced society culturally. In minds of those who are in charge especially in a patriarchally conservative fundamentalism the man of the house is the sole master and any female that happened to enter into that household must be submissive to the man's whims and caprices; wives, daughters and female servants. Being emphasized in their Holy Book any reprehensible actions that amounts to dishonour Islam and the master or the family will result result to such punishment inevitably.

    Such as what happened to his three daughters who were westernized and his other wife. Dead. Because they were defiant, disobedient rambunctious bunch the accused think that these women betrayed Islam.

    But what we can ponder... what the three accused did; can we call it honourable?

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