INC, I would like to know the answer to IQ's question

TLGTLG The Dark Knight PExer
Nobody answered this on her thread, so lets make a special thread for it...

And also this one..
I got this question from another forum.

"A member is prohibited from marrying a non-member.
Whether 2 Corinthians 6:14 reads 'Do not unite in marriage with unbelievers' or 'Do not be unequally yoked together with unbelievers' the verse clearly speaks of unbelievers, not of non-members.
Does that mean that being a member is equivalent to being a believer, and vice versa? In other words: are there no believers outside the church, and are there no unbelievers inside the church? (See John 6:64)
How does the church truly know who is a believer and who is not? Is that in the same way Jesus Christ knows which sheep are of His flock? (1 Samuel 16:7, 1 Chronicles 28:9, Mark 2:8, Acts 1:24, Matthew 9:4, John 16:30, Revelations 2:23, John 2:24-25, John 10:4,14 and John 6:64)
If the church can not truly know who is a believer and who is not then the doctrine of prohibiting marriage between members and non-members could allow a believer to marry an unbeliever, if both are members, and it would prohibit a believer from marrying a fellow believer, if one of them is not a member.
It was Paul who wrote in 1 Timothy 4:1-5 that the Holy Spirit expressly says that prohibiting marriage is a demon doctrine. The Spirit doesn't give any preconditions nor exceptions here.
Can someone explain how this prohibition of marriage is in unity with what the Holy Spirit expressly says?"


I haven't gotten an answer to this too.:lol:

If you guys can answer this, specially INC members here.. that'll be great. *okay*

I think menorrah is the most capable in answering this*okay*
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  • skye_phoenixskye_phoenix 荒れ狂う稲光のシェルミー PEx Influencer ⭐⭐⭐
    TLG wrote: »
    I think menorrah is the most capable in answering this*okay*


    menorrah?????emo%252520confused.gif

    Are yah serious??????AddEmoticons04236.gif

    You're kidding me!!!!You're reeeeeeeeeeeeeeally kidding me!!!!!!!!big%252520laugh.gif
  • Lola_RoseLola_Rose IMPERSONATED PExer
    Joe the Catholic is an unbeliever of the INC doctrines.

    So Jane the INC should not marry Joe the Catholic who does not believe in what Jane believes in. Instead, Jane the INC should marry Michael the INC, because they believe/have faith in the same teachings...as both are INC members.

    Besides, Michael is more handsome. :lol:


    When Israel was still the Chosen People of God, they were prohibited from marrying those who are not one of them (Deut 7:3-4).

    Just the same, in the last days, the Church of Christ being the Chosen People, are not allowed to intermarry. That is why Queen the INC should never marry Dhuggz the Catholic, for Dhuggz will turn Queen away from the true God and she'd end up serving other gods (for example gods made of wood/metal/gold/silver, etc.)
  • IscharamoochieIscharamoochie Moderator PEx Veteran ⭐⭐
    but how about when joe the catholic marries michelle the catholic, then joe the catholic becomes an INC while michelle the catholic refuses to be converted?
  • Lola_RoseLola_Rose IMPERSONATED PExer
    but how about when joe the catholic marries michelle the catholic, then joe the catholic becomes an INC while michelle the catholic refuses to be converted?

    There's nothing joe the INC convert can do. But continue to share his faith with michelle and pray that she converts.
  • IscharamoochieIscharamoochie Moderator PEx Veteran ⭐⭐
    so the marriage is recognized? what happened to Corinthians 6:14?
  • Lola_RoseLola_Rose IMPERSONATED PExer
    so the marriage is recognized?

    Yes.
    what happened to Corinthians 6:14?

    It still prohibits believers from marrying (to wed) unbelievers. joe and michelle got married when they were both unbelievers. di pa sakop si joe ng utos na yan...kasi unbeliever pa naman sya nun eh, diba?
  • rickymrickym Member PEx Veteran ⭐⭐
    which is worse? marrying a non-believer or marrying a non-virgin. diba bawal rin yun.

    http://bible.cc/leviticus/21-14.htm

    "<< Leviticus 21:14 >>

    New International Version (©1984)
    He must not marry a widow, a divorced woman, or a woman defiled by prostitution, but only a virgin from his own people,
    New Living Translation (©2007)
    He may not marry a widow, a woman who is divorced, or a woman who has defiled herself by prostitution. She must be a virgin from his own clan,

    English Standard Version (©2001)
    A widow, or a divorced woman, or a woman who has been defiled, or a prostitute, these he shall not marry. But he shall take as his wife a virgin of his own people,

    New American Standard Bible (©1995)
    'A widow, or a divorced woman, or one who is profaned by harlotry, these he may not take; but rather he is to marry a virgin of his own people,

    King James Bible (Cambridge Ed.)
    A widow, or a divorced woman, or profane, or an harlot, these shall he not take: but he shall take a virgin of his own people to wife.

    GOD'S WORD® Translation (©1995)
    He must never marry a widow, a divorced woman, a woman who has lost her virginity, or a prostitute. He may only marry a virgin from his own people.

    King James 2000 Bible (©2003)
    A widow, or a divorced woman, or defiled, or a harlot, these shall he not take: but he shall take a virgin of his own people as wife.

    American King James Version
    A widow, or a divorced woman, or profane, or an harlot, these shall he not take: but he shall take a virgin of his own people to wife."

    pano yan, alam ko if you marry with no intention to have kids in the catholic church. that is a ground for church annulment. so is it also a ground if you marry a widow, divorced woman, harlot or a non-virgin?
  • IscharamoochieIscharamoochie Moderator PEx Veteran ⭐⭐
    Lola_Rose wrote: »
    Yes.



    It still prohibits believers from marrying (to wed) unbelievers. joe and michelle got married when they were both unbelievers. di pa sakop si joe ng utos na yan...kasi unbeliever pa naman sya nun eh, diba?

    i see. so if the marriage was done prior to the conversion, the rule becomes circumvented. it is now possible for an INC to be united in with an unbeliever in marriage, yes?
  • JaRvis_JayrenJaRvis_Jayren Mighty Fine PExer
    As per 1 Corinthians 7:12-17, INC members who were already married (to non-INCs) prior to their baptism into the church are not to leave their non-INC spouses, or even their children.

    But don't let this confuse you, for single INC members are still not supposed to marry non-INCs, as this is still a bible-derived teaching.

    As posted from another thread...
  • sophionsophion Member PEx Veteran ⭐⭐
    i'd like to know where in the bible it says that for an expelled christian to be accepted back into the fellowship he/she must abandon his/her family.
  • PyrosPyros Faith Under Fire PExer
    but how about when joe the catholic marries michelle the catholic, then joe the catholic becomes an INC while michelle the catholic refuses to be converted?

    Convertion yan mod hindi pag-aasawa. Religion add to the problems when it invades family affairs. Tignan mo nangyari sa family ni Charice
  • Lola_RoseLola_Rose IMPERSONATED PExer
    i see. so if the marriage was done prior to the conversion, the rule becomes circumvented. it is now possible for an INC to be united in with an unbeliever in marriage, yes?

    not cirumvented. because the rule is clear: an unbeliever should not marry (or wed) an unbeliever. again, both were UNbelievers when they got married, yes? Hindi sakop ng aral na tinutupad sa Iglesia si joe nung pinakasalan niya si michelle, diba?

    joe the newly converted INC and michelle the catholic can stay married. But if michelle refuses to ever convert and religion puts a huge strain in their marriage, yes, they can separate-- but not divorce. but joe the INC should remain unattached as long as michelle is alive.
  • IscharamoochieIscharamoochie Moderator PEx Veteran ⭐⭐
    hmmm... so the rule is circumvented since the rule only applies at the inception of marriage? after all, circumvented means not violation but finding a way around the rule. interesting...
  • TotnakTotnak Theistic Apologist PEx Influencer ⭐⭐⭐
    Lola_Rose wrote: »
    not cirumvented. because the rule is clear: an unbeliever should not marry (or wed) an unbeliever. again, both were UNbelievers when they got married, yes? Hindi sakop ng aral na tinutupad sa Iglesia si joe nung pinakasalan niya si michelle, diba?

    joe the newly converted INC and michelle the catholic can stay married. But if michelle refuses to ever convert and religion puts a huge strain in their marriage, yes, they can separate-- but not divorce. but joe the INC should remain unattached as long as michelle is alive.

    DIVORCE is a legal term thus, let's not focus on the term but on THE ESSENCE of the term...

    in essence, isn't separating exactly the same as divorcing?

    Merriam-Webster says the following:

    Definition of DIVORCE

    1: the action or an instance of legally dissolving a marriage
    2: separation, severance <divorce of the secular and the spiritual>

    so the INC teaches that an INC member needs to divorce or separate from his/her non-INC spouse before he/she gets readmitted, right?

    can we please have the biblical verse supporting such rule?

    remember your mantra, if it's not in the bible then it's man-made.....:naughty:
  • TLGTLG The Dark Knight PExer
    Lola_Rose wrote: »
    Joe the Catholic is an unbeliever of the INC doctrines.

    So Jane the INC should not marry Joe the Catholic who does not believe in what Jane believes in. Instead, Jane the INC should marry Michael the INC, because they believe/have faith in the same teachings...as both are INC members.

    Besides, Michael is more handsome. :lol:


    When Israel was still the Chosen People of God, they were prohibited from marrying those who are not one of them (Deut 7:3-4).

    Just the same, in the last days, the Church of Christ being the Chosen People, are not allowed to intermarry. That is why Queen the INC should never marry Dhuggz the Catholic, for Dhuggz will turn Queen away from the true God and she'd end up serving other gods (for example gods made of wood/metal/gold/silver, etc.)

    your answer is about "members" and "non-members", and quoted an OT verse w/c was an instruction only for the israelites back then, but you miss explaining this part
    IQ wrote:
    Whether 2 Corinthians 6:14 reads 'Do not unite in marriage with unbelievers' or 'Do not be unequally yoked together with unbelievers' the verse clearly speaks of unbelievers, not of non-members.
    Does that mean that being a member is equivalent to being a believer, and vice versa? In other words: are there no believers outside the church, and are there no unbelievers inside the church? (See John 6:64)


    and this
    IQ wrote:
    If the church can not truly know who is a believer and who is not then the doctrine of prohibiting marriage between members and non-members could allow a believer to marry an unbeliever, if both are members, and it would prohibit a believer from marrying a fellow believer, if one of them is not a member.

    I'll be waiting for an answer*okay*
  • mistervontriermistervontrier The Antichrist PExer
    if religion hadn't existed, these 2 lovers wouldn't have any problem celebrating their love in the first place.. :bungi:
  • TotnakTotnak Theistic Apologist PEx Influencer ⭐⭐⭐
    if religion hadn't existed, these 2 lovers wouldn't have any problem celebrating their love in the first place.. :bungi:

    Actually, that teaching of theirs is quite obscure since Paul wrote the following:

    "For to the rest I speak, not the Lord. If any brother hath a wife that believeth not, and she consent to dwell with him, let him not put her away. And if any woman hath a husband that believeth not, and he consent to dwell with her, let her not put away her husband. For the unbelieving husband is sanctified by the believing wife; and the unbelieving wife is sanctified by the believing husband: otherwise your children should be unclean; but now they are holy. But if the unbeliever depart, let him depart. For a brother or sister is not under servitude in such cases. But God hath called us in peace." 1 Corinthians 7:12-15 Douay-Rheims Catholic Bible

    from the above passages alone, we can clearly see that their teaching is violating what Paul taught.....
  • nikeairviturinnikeairviturin Member PEx Rookie ⭐
    I think before discussion, INC people should first define what a believer/unbeliever is.
  • mistervontriermistervontrier The Antichrist PExer
    Totnak wrote: »
    Actually, that teaching of theirs is quite obscure since Paul wrote the following:

    "For to the rest I speak, not the Lord. If any brother hath a wife that believeth not, and she consent to dwell with him, let him not put her away. And if any woman hath a husband that believeth not, and he consent to dwell with her, let her not put away her husband. For the unbelieving husband is sanctified by the believing wife; and the unbelieving wife is sanctified by the believing husband: otherwise your children should be unclean; but now they are holy. But if the unbeliever depart, let him depart. For a brother or sister is not under servitude in such cases. But God hath called us in peace." 1 Corinthians 7:12-15 Douay-Rheims Catholic Bible

    from the above passages alone, we can clearly see that their teaching is violating what Paul taught.....

    well, paul can suck his own dick for telling other people like him on how to marry others.

    there's only one criteria of you want to marry someone: love.
  • insomnia_queeninsomnia_queen Bye IL, hello Cali :) PExer
    well, paul can suck his own dick for telling other people like him on how to marry others.

    there's only one criteria of you want to marry someone: love.

    Exactly! if there's a LIKE button here, I would've click it already! *okay*

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