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What if Atheists are wrong?

sophionsophion Member PEx Veteran ⭐⭐

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  • IscharamoochieIscharamoochie Moderator PEx Veteran ⭐⭐
    ...sounds like a young greg house :lol:
  • mani94mani94 ex-Catholic PExer
    And they say: "There is nothing but our life of this world, we die and we live and nothing destroys us except Ad-Dahr (the time). And they have no knowledge of it, they only conjecture.
    {Noble Quran 45:24}
  • sweet_atheasweet_athea Member PExer
    mani94 wrote: »
    And they say: "There is nothing but our life of this world, we die and we live and nothing destroys us except Ad-Dahr (the time). And they have no knowledge of it, they only conjecture.
    {Noble Quran 45:24}

    that is not the way you should talk to unbelievers Mani, You are feeding pearl to swine but anyway go ahead it seems you are feeding them with fancy pearls.:lol::rotflmao:;):lol::rotflmao::lol:

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  • tlpndstlpnds May Nagbabantay sa Dilim PExer
    eh di kung wrong, eh di okey lang!

    ano ba naman yung may life after death? eh di maganda!

    alam mo kung bakit okey lang sa akin?

    kasi i am pretty sure that the "heaven and hell" concept is wrong.

    but the religious people don't have the room to admit that it may be wrong.

    atheists may be wrong that there is no God.

    but should there be a God, that does not automatically mean that the Bible is correct. no fcuking way.

    if there is a "God"---then no one, not even one religion or atheist, would be correct about what the nature of that "God" is.

    the universe will always amaze us because it always defies our most well-thought-out presumptions.

    so, what if atheists are wrong? what if there is a god?

    well, we could also ask--what if mass is not actually made up of matter but of energy in strings?

    well---i'm sure that whatever the answers may be, it would be beyond anyone's imagining.
  • titaAuroratitaAurora Member PExer
    [VIDEO]
    It seems that a world-famous scientist found himself an unlikely competitor in a 12 year old boy over heaven’s existence. Who could contradict or even discredit the wisdom God has given to innocent children? And with all the skepticism in the world today, God and heaven found an ally in a very unassuming kid.

    Just recently, Astro-Physicist Stephen Hawking claimed that heaven is a fairy tale story. In his interview in the “Guardian” he said “A belief that heaven or an afterlife awaits us is a “fairy story” for people afraid of death”. Having said, Hawking attracted different reactions from all walks of life. In the United States alone, 74% of the american population believe in the existence of heaven. Hawking, a victim of a neurological disorder since age 21, dismisses the reality of heaven despite the fact that his disease renders him in a vegetative state. But what is interesting about Hawking is that even though his future is so much clouded with uncertainty, he still have the guts to compare the human brain to a computer, which according to him, stops working when its components fail. “There is no heaven or afterlife for broken down computers; that is a fairy story for people afraid of the dark,” Hawking added.

    But in one corner of this debacle, is a very young man who knew nothing about Einstein’s theory of relativity or cosmic fusion or physical properties of the planets. What he knows is based on what he experienced when he was 4 years old. According to the boy, upon experiencing near death experience, he felt an almost indescribable joy in his journey to heaven. He said he met Jesus, Saint John and Saint Peter.

    Any 4 year old kid can easily invent this kind of stories, but what is astonishing about the boy’s claim is that he knew he had a baby sister who died out of miscarriage from her mom’s pregnancy, a fact that his parents never told him before. He further claimed (take note) that his baby sister wanted to tell his parents that she is waiting for them in heaven. A stark and chilling reminder to all of us that God is revealing this mystery not to the wise and the Learned, but to simple minds with pure soul undefiled by arrogance, pride and hubris.

    As what I always tell the skeptics… what if there is really heaven? would it harm anyone if they believe? We have no scientific evidence that heaven really do exist. But not all things must be gauged scientifically.

    Just because we cannot touch nor see heaven doesn’t mean it doesn’t exist. If you will die today together with one believer of heaven, and it just so happens that there is heaven and hell after all, where do you think you will go?

    http://bluepanjeet.net/2011/05/19/11621/12-year-boy-physicist-stephen-hawking-existence-heaven/
  • tlpndstlpnds May Nagbabantay sa Dilim PExer
    titaAurora wrote: »

    Just because we cannot touch nor see heaven doesn’t mean it doesn’t exist. If you will die today together with one believer of heaven, and it just so happens that there is heaven and hell after all, where do you think you will go?

    http://bluepanjeet.net/2011/05/19/11621/12-year-boy-physicist-stephen-hawking-existence-heaven/

    i really don't care where i go as long as i know i have left something behind on earth that spreads "heaven" on earth. hell can have me because i think that if i can change something of life while on earth, i can still do so if i am given a chance to live again, even in hell.

    why be afraid of hell if you know that you can change things for the good? why not start changing it now without caring about where you end up in after you die?

    and if i am given a chance to stay in heaven, i will still try my best to get some people out of hell.

    you know, this "heaven and hell" division in the minds of people only divides.

    if something's broken, and if there's a god, then it can be fixed. even hell.

    but then, what the hell, all the religious doctrine wanted was to brand other people "deserving of hell". i never heard of any religion saying:"well, you may be bound for hell, but then if i ever see you again i will still try to save you. and god would help me."
  • tlpnds wrote: »
    i really don't care where i go as long as i know i have left something behind on earth that spreads "heaven" on earth. hell can have me because i think that if i can change something of life while on earth, i can still do so if i am given a chance to live again, even in hell.

    why be afraid of hell if you know that you can change things for the good? why not start changing it now without caring about where you end up in after you die?

    and if i am given a chance to stay in heaven, i will still try my best to get some people out of hell.

    you know, this "heaven and hell" division in the minds of people only divides.

    if something's broken, and if there's a god, then it can be fixed. even hell.

    but then, what the hell, all the religious doctrine wanted was to brand other people "deserving of hell". i never heard of any religion saying:"well, you may be bound for hell, but then if i ever see you again i will still try to save you. and god would help me."

    well Mr. tipnds no one is sending you to hell if you live good and moral life, But the fact you hates what is GOOD and pride is what makes your world go round it is more likely you have chosen hell by yourself. Making Choice is the most dangerous quality we have we cannot disobey it, That is why we need prayers and help. Even if God will give you Heaven at this moment you will still reject it, because you are not at ease in heaven just as you reject good teaching because of pride, wasting Gods grace all your life and thereby losing the gift of salvation. Even the guardian angels cannot help you because you refuse God's grace always. They would not help you too in times of needs that is why accidents happens most to unbelievers. getz mo!

    _______________
    x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x
    When you love someone,
    it's hard to be without them.
    and then you loose the 1 you love,
    it's very hard to get over them.
    x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x:rotflmao::rotflmao::rotflmao::rotflmao:
  • sophionsophion Member PEx Veteran ⭐⭐
    titaAurora wrote: »
    It seems that a world-famous scientist found himself an unlikely competitor in a 12 year old boy over heaven’s existence. Who could contradict or even discredit the wisdom God has given to innocent children? And with all the skepticism in the world today, God and heaven found an ally in a very unassuming kid.

    panaginip lang pala nung 4yr old lang sya. akala ko naman eh kung sinong ultra-genius na nakapagpatunay na ng kalangitan! :bashful:
  • tlpndstlpnds May Nagbabantay sa Dilim PExer
    well Mr. tipnds no one is sending you to hell if you live good and moral life, But the fact you hates what is GOOD and pride is what makes your world go round it is more likely you have chosen hell by yourself. Making Choice is the most dangerous quality we have we cannot disobey it, That is why we need prayers and help. Even if God will give you Heaven at this moment you will still reject it, because you are not at ease in heaven just as you reject good teaching because of pride, wasting Gods grace all your life and thereby losing the gift of salvation. Even the guardian angels cannot help you because you refuse God's grace always. They would not help you too in times of needs that is why accidents happens most to unbelievers. getz mo!

    _______________
    x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x
    When you love someone,
    it's hard to be without them.
    and then you loose the 1 you love,
    it's very hard to get over them.
    x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x:rotflmao::rotflmao::rotflmao::rotflmao:

    para lang sa akin, kung bibigyan ka ng "eternity" para mabuhay nang maka-Diyos, at kapiling mo ang Diyos, eh bakit hindi mo ituloy ang pag-save ng mga tao at kaluluwa for eternity?

    sige, sabihin nating namatay ang isang mabuting Kristiyano at napunta nga siya sa langit. bakit naman siya magpapakasaya na lang habang may mga kaluluwang nasa impiyerno at palaging nagdurusa?

    kung ako ay isang Kristiyano na walang hangganan na ang buhay sa langit, aba gagamitin ko yung buhay na iyon para mas marami pa ang mahakot ko sa langit. kahit impiyerno susuungin ko para lang makapag ligtas pa ng ibang mga kaluluwa.

    eh yun din naman ang dapat na ginagawa ko sa "Earthly life" ko, di ba? bakit ako titigil kahit pa nasa langit na ako? at bakit naman iisipin ko na "wala nang pag-asa" ang mga nasa impyerno? eh buong buhay ko bilang Kristiyano laging tinuturo sa akin na "nasa diyos ang pag-asa"? at "walang imposible sa diyos"?

    eh di ibig sabihin dapat, hindi din imposible yung may mga maligtas pa mula sa impiyerno, di ba? kahit mga kaluluwa na sila?

    ang hirap lang kasi, may mga Kristiyano--at relihiyoso--na gusto lang masabi sa sarili nila na "angat" sila sa mga "makasalanan". "iba kasi kami," sinasabi nila, "kasi pinagpala kami."

    pero kung ako na hindi ako Kristiyano, hindi iyon ang mensahe na nakikita ko sa Bibliya kapag nagsasalita si Jesus. sabi pa nga niya, ang anak na nagliwaliw sa kung anu-anong mga kalaswaan, yun pa ang kinatuwa nung tatay niyang "shepherd" nung bumalik ito sa bahay. di ba yun ang parable ng "the prodigal son"?

    eh paano kung merong kaluluwa sa impyerno na parang "prodigal son"? hindi ba iyon babawiin ng diyos?

    pero siyempre, ang mga Kristiyano, sasabihin lang, "naku, huwag mo nang pagkaabalahan yan, Lord, bakit mo pa babawiin yan eh nasa impiyerno na iyan".

    di ba yun din ang sinabi nung mga kapatid ng "prodigal son"? sila ba ang nasa tamang pag-iisip?:)
  • SmartDessaSmartDessa Things divide;Christ unites PExer
    nah, atheists aren't wrong.

    may oras din ang mga yan, I believe God desires that all man be saved.
  • PenducoPenduco Member PExer
    SmartDessa wrote: »
    nah, atheists aren't wrong.

    may oras din ang mga yan, I believe God desires that all man be saved.
    eh sarili mo nga naguguluhan pa, paano ka makakapangaral kung ang sarili mo naliligaw din aber pakipaliwanag?
  • PenducoPenduco Member PExer
    tlpnds wrote: »
    para lang sa akin, kung bibigyan ka ng "eternity" para mabuhay nang maka-Diyos, at kapiling mo ang Diyos, eh bakit hindi mo ituloy ang pag-save ng mga tao at kaluluwa for eternity?

    sige, sabihin nating namatay ang isang mabuting Kristiyano at napunta nga siya sa langit. bakit naman siya magpapakasaya na lang habang may mga kaluluwang nasa impiyerno at palaging nagdurusa?

    kung ako ay isang Kristiyano na walang hangganan na ang buhay sa langit, aba gagamitin ko yung buhay na iyon para mas marami pa ang mahakot ko sa langit. kahit impiyerno susuungin ko para lang makapag ligtas pa ng ibang mga kaluluwa.

    eh yun din naman ang dapat na ginagawa ko sa "Earthly life" ko, di ba? bakit ako titigil kahit pa nasa langit na ako? at bakit naman iisipin ko na "wala nang pag-asa" ang mga nasa impyerno? eh buong buhay ko bilang Kristiyano laging tinuturo sa akin na "nasa diyos ang pag-asa"? at "walang imposible sa diyos"?

    eh di ibig sabihin dapat, hindi din imposible yung may mga maligtas pa mula sa impiyerno, di ba? kahit mga kaluluwa na sila?

    ang hirap lang kasi, may mga Kristiyano--at relihiyoso--na gusto lang masabi sa sarili nila na "angat" sila sa mga "makasalanan". "iba kasi kami," sinasabi nila, "kasi pinagpala kami."

    pero kung ako na hindi ako Kristiyano, hindi iyon ang mensahe na nakikita ko sa Bibliya kapag nagsasalita si Jesus. sabi pa nga niya, ang anak na nagliwaliw sa kung anu-anong mga kalaswaan, yun pa ang kinatuwa nung tatay niyang "shepherd" nung bumalik ito sa bahay. di ba yun ang parable ng "the prodigal son"?

    eh paano kung merong kaluluwa sa impyerno na parang "prodigal son"? hindi ba iyon babawiin ng diyos?

    pero siyempre, ang mga Kristiyano, sasabihin lang, "naku, huwag mo nang pagkaabalahan yan, Lord, bakit mo pa babawiin yan eh nasa impiyerno na iyan".

    di ba yun din ang sinabi nung mga kapatid ng "prodigal son"? sila ba ang nasa tamang pag-iisip?:)
    produkto kasi iyan nang katigasan mo nang ulo, kung sino sino ang pinaniniwalaan mo alam mo naman na sangkatutak ang bersyon nang cristianismo tapos pinaghalo halo mo ang mga doktrina nila dito mababaliw ka nga kung ganyan ang attitude mo. Magatanong ka lang muna sa isang denominasyon. Gamitin mo bro ang common sense sa situation para naman masagutan ang tanong mo.
  • sophion wrote: »

    If the Christian God is real I'll ask for ice cream before going to hell. I wonder how he'd react to that. I mean, people on death row do that.

    Kidding aside, my soul is not material so my sensory organs won't be there to make me feel pain. So it's okay. And then, I'll ask someone, why did God leave science out of the bible?
  • Frank_MackyFrank_Macky Heretic / Infidel PEx Influencer ⭐⭐⭐
    SmartDessa wrote: »
    nah, atheists aren't wrong.

    may oras din ang mga yan, I believe God desires that all man be saved.
    Umm... would this "God" be the same Old Testament S.O.B. who let bears maul young kids just for name-calling? :lol:
  • tlpndstlpnds May Nagbabantay sa Dilim PExer
    tlpnds wrote: »
    para lang sa akin, kung bibigyan ka ng "eternity" para mabuhay nang maka-Diyos, at kapiling mo ang Diyos, eh bakit hindi mo ituloy ang pag-save ng mga tao at kaluluwa for eternity?

    sige, sabihin nating namatay ang isang mabuting Kristiyano at napunta nga siya sa langit. bakit naman siya magpapakasaya na lang habang may mga kaluluwang nasa impiyerno at palaging nagdurusa?

    kung ako ay isang Kristiyano na walang hangganan na ang buhay sa langit, aba gagamitin ko yung buhay na iyon para mas marami pa ang mahakot ko sa langit. kahit impiyerno susuungin ko para lang makapag ligtas pa ng ibang mga kaluluwa.

    eh yun din naman ang dapat na ginagawa ko sa "Earthly life" ko, di ba? bakit ako titigil kahit pa nasa langit na ako? at bakit naman iisipin ko na "wala nang pag-asa" ang mga nasa impyerno? eh buong buhay ko bilang Kristiyano laging tinuturo sa akin na "nasa diyos ang pag-asa"? at "walang imposible sa diyos"?

    eh di ibig sabihin dapat, hindi din imposible yung may mga maligtas pa mula sa impiyerno, di ba? kahit mga kaluluwa na sila?

    ang hirap lang kasi, may mga Kristiyano--at relihiyoso--na gusto lang masabi sa sarili nila na "angat" sila sa mga "makasalanan". "iba kasi kami," sinasabi nila, "kasi pinagpala kami."

    pero kung ako na hindi ako Kristiyano, hindi iyon ang mensahe na nakikita ko sa Bibliya kapag nagsasalita si Jesus. sabi pa nga niya, ang anak na nagliwaliw sa kung anu-anong mga kalaswaan, yun pa ang kinatuwa nung tatay niyang "shepherd" nung bumalik ito sa bahay. di ba yun ang parable ng "the prodigal son"?

    eh paano kung merong kaluluwa sa impyerno na parang "prodigal son"? hindi ba iyon babawiin ng diyos?

    pero siyempre, ang mga Kristiyano, sasabihin lang, "naku, huwag mo nang pagkaabalahan yan, Lord, bakit mo pa babawiin yan eh nasa impiyerno na iyan".

    di ba yun din ang sinabi nung mga kapatid ng "prodigal son"? sila ba ang nasa tamang pag-iisip?:)
    Penduco wrote: »
    produkto kasi iyan nang katigasan mo nang ulo, kung sino sino ang pinaniniwalaan mo alam mo naman na sangkatutak ang bersyon nang cristianismo tapos pinaghalo halo mo ang mga doktrina nila dito mababaliw ka nga kung ganyan ang attitude mo. Magatanong ka lang muna sa isang denominasyon. Gamitin mo bro ang common sense sa situation para naman masagutan ang tanong mo.

    salamat sa advice. atheist ka ba? palagay mo ba may Diyos? sinabi ko kasi sa post ko na "hindi ako Kristiyano". di ko lang ma gets sa reply mo kung Kristiyano ka ba.
  • tlpndstlpnds May Nagbabantay sa Dilim PExer
    SmartDessa wrote: »
    nah, atheists aren't wrong.

    may oras din ang mga yan, I believe God desires that all man be saved.

    would you yourself want all men to be saved? even atheists? maybe "God" does want all men to be saved, and maybe "God" does tell himself that he will want to save atheists, too.

    how about you? even if atheists never turned to "God" at all even to their deaths, would you still want them to be saved?

    just asking.

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