given na ang isang tao naniniwala na kay Kristo, ano pa silbe ng pastor?

froshie1

May mga pastor akong nakikita na ang kausap ay mga naniniwala na kay Kristo. Baket pa siya nagtatalk or nag pepreach sa mga tao na believers kung ang kailangan lang ay relasyon? At baket may tinatayo pang mga gusaling pang relasyon eh all you need to have is a relasyon?

jeric92002

1. Syempre tinuturo nya yung mga katuruan ni Jesus ayon sa Bibliya ha hindi sa labas
2. Syempre mainit, maingay sa labas.

Ikaw bat may bahay?

ElCid

jeric92002 wrote: »

1. Syempre tinuturo nya yung mga katuruan ni Jesus ayon sa Bibliya ha hindi sa labas
2. Syempre mainit, maingay sa labas.

Ikaw bat may bahay?

Baket kailangan pa yung pastor di ba't sapat na ang biblia? Sola Scriptura ka di ba? Pampagulo lang yung pastor dahil puede mo naman personal na interpret ang biblia tutal may relasyon ka din naman sa Dios so ano pa kailangan mo sa pastor?

jeric92002

ElCid wrote: »

Baket kailangan pa yung pastor di ba't sapat na ang biblia? Sola Scriptura ka di ba? Pampagulo lang yung pastor dahil puede mo naman personal na interpret ang biblia tutal may relasyon ka din naman sa Dios so ano pa kailangan mo sa pastor?

1. Calling nila mag pastor e, mag preach ng good news mula sa Bible
2. oo sola scriptura ako
3. Sino nagsabi sayong pampagulo lang ang pastor? nanghuhula? o may masabi lang?

froshie1

jeric92002 wrote: »

1. Syempre tinuturo nya yung mga katuruan ni Jesus ayon sa Bibliya ha hindi sa labas
2. Syempre mainit, maingay sa labas.

Ikaw bat may bahay?

- Baket pa niya kailangang ituro kung naniniwala na ang isang tao. Kailangan lang naman magkaron ng relasyon eh.

- Hindi niyo na din dapat kailangan magkaron ng pook relasyunan, dahil sa bahay pwede na

ElCid

jeric92002 wrote: »

1. Calling nila mag pastor e, mag preach ng good news mula sa Bible
2. oo sola scriptura ako
3. Sino nagsabi sayong pampagulo lang ang pastor? nanghuhula? o may masabi lang?

http://i625.photobucket.com/albums/tt335/bjtilt/th_waiting.gif?t=1281707767

So kung sola scriptura ka ibig sabihin dapat sapat na sa iyo biblia. Baket kailangan mo pa pastor? Ibig sabihin hindi pa sapat sa iyo biblia lang. O di ba't pampagulo lang pastor kung ikaw SOLA SCRIPTURA? Di mo ba alam meaning ng sola scriptura? Biblia lamang - bible alone. Eh baket isisingit mo pa pastor? Sapat na biblia di ba?

sophion

froshie1 wrote: »

given na ang isang tao naniniwala na kay Kristo, ano pa silbe ng pastor?

i think its for the same reason na ang isang tao naniniwala kay Allah pero kelangan pa rin ng Imam.

krams2

paano mo pakikinggan si JESUS kung asa langit na siya?

andiyan na ang bible eh lahat pwede magbasa pero kailangan ng gabay hindi lahat ng nagbabasa eh nakakaunawa

at kahit pa noong panahon nila Kristo eh may mga kasulatan na sila from OT pero bakit kailangan pa din si JESUS?

bakit kailangan pa ng mga apostol? mga disipulo? etc?

kung hindi kayo naniniwala sa pastol eh hindi kayo naniniwala sa sinasabi ni JESUS

New Living Translation (©2007)
Now these are the gifts Christ gave to the church: the apostles, the prophets, the evangelists, and the pastors and teachers.

Eph 4:11 And he gave some, apostles; and some, prophets; and some, evangelists; and some, pastors and teachers

sophion

krams2 wrote: »

New Living Translation (©2007)
Now these are the gifts Christ gave to the church: the apostles, the prophets, the evangelists, and the pastors and teachers.

that gives me an idea for a new topic. "what are christian priests in the bible"

krams2

sophion wrote: »

that gives me an idea for a new topic. "what are christian priests in the bible"

? you mean the word priest? there are versions in the bible using priest depending on language or version

but if you will subscribe to the newadvent they will give you this

In this sense, every religion has its priests, exercising more or less exalted sacerdotal functions as intermediaries between man and the Divinity (cf. Hebrews 5:1: "for every high priest taken from among men, is ordained for men in the things that appertain to God, that he may offer up gifts and sacrifices for sins"). In various ages and countries we find numerous and important differences: the priest properly so called may be assisted by inferior ministers of many kinds; he may belong to a special class or caste, to a clergy, or else may be like other citizens except in what concerns his sacerdotal functions; he may be a member of a hierarchy, or, on the contrary, may exercise an independent priesthood

http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/12406a.htm

pagkakaintindi ko mas mataas daw ang priest kaysa sa mga INFERIOR MINISTER

kung hindi ako nagkakamali ito yung mga pharisee or mga matataas na elders sa OT na kumalaban kay JESUS

priest

O.E. preost, shortened from the older Germanic form represented by O.S., O.H.G. prestar, O.Fris. prestere, from V.L. *prester "priest," from L.L. presbyter "presbyter, elder," from Gk. presbyteros (see Presbyterian). In O.T. sense, a translation of Heb. kohen, Gk. hiereus, L. sacerdos.

http://www.etymonline.com/index.php?term=priest

sophion

^ i made a new thread. please share what you know in there. thanks.

thoth

may kakilala ako dati kong boss. ang galing magsalita at magsulat sa mga blog at twitter. mahigit isang taon walang trabaho. Naisipan mag preach at nagtayo ng sariling grupo. Ayun panay ang byahe.

Ang sabi nya, ganito naman pala kadali kumita eh ... wala pa tax.

Ateo

Outside of the "sugo"/multi-millionaire category tulad nina Ka Eduardo, Brother Ely, Quiboloy, Brother Mike, and Brother Eddie, itong mga second tier senior pastors tulad nina Pastor Bonifacio at Pastor Divierte ay mga millionaires din.

Teka, saan ba mag-aral para maging pastor? Sola, soli, solus, sola...

krams2

Ateo wrote: »

Outside of the "sugo"/multi-millionaire category tulad nina Ka Eduardo, Brother Ely, Quiboloy, Brother Mike, and Brother Eddie, itong mga second tier senior pastors tulad nina Pastor Bonifacio at Pastor Divierte ay mga millionaires din.

Teka, saan ba mag-aral para maging pastor? Sola, soli, solus, sola...

i beg to disagree ka eduardo does not own the INC if you are pertaining that multimillion thing property is owned by the INC not owned by manalo family you can check it actually. as far as i can remember this issue was settled when ADD accuse us, the minister show the proof while the INC showed that ADD headed by Eli Soriano owned different business including the ADD if you can show his asset bank accounts etc kindly post it here they cannot own business unlike priest who owns catholics school such as Lasalle UST Ateneo etc

ping2x

krams2 wrote: »

i beg to disagree ka eduardo does not own the INC if you are pertaining that multimillion thing property is owned by the INC not owned by manalo family you can check it actually. as far as i can remember this issue was settled when ADD accuse us, the minister show the proof while the INC showed that ADD headed by Eli Soriano owned different business including the ADD if you can show his asset bank accounts etc kindly post it here they cannot own business unlike priest who owns catholics school such as Lasalle UST Ateneo etc

anong school ka graduate ha krams2? hindi ka naturuan gumamit ng dot or period or kahit comma man lang? langhiya ka parang gusto mong patayin ang babasa sa message mo eh, mauubusan ng hininga!

krams2

ping2x wrote: »

anong school ka graduate ha krams2? hindi ka naturuan gumamit ng dot or period or kahit comma man lang? langhiya ka parang gusto mong patayin ang babasa sa message mo eh, mauubusan ng hininga!

sorry naman koya dexter para mahirapan ka uki payn po

_BANSHEE_

Parang ano yan, either interpreter o parang telephone.

Ateo

All the pastor succeeded in doing is create a congregation with a distinct - however slight - worship practice and distinct interpretation of the Scripture from the other congregation. In effect, pastors are creating competing grOups. This is opposite to the supposed intention of a mass of believers with individual and personal relationships with Jesus.

Throw Out your pastors. Or, at least, reduce their salary to only P 1 per year.

superlucky20

froshie1 wrote: »

May mga pastor akong nakikita na ang kausap ay mga naniniwala na kay Kristo. Baket pa siya nagtatalk or nag pepreach sa mga tao na believers kung ang kailangan lang ay relasyon? At baket may tinatayo pang mga gusaling pang relasyon eh all you need to have is a relasyon?

Kasi kelangan may kumausap sa mga myembro dahil hindi naman sila kakausapin ng Diyos nila. Alam nyo na kung bakit.

SmartDessa

mayroon tayong tinatawag na way of the cross.

at magagamit natin to sa ating relasyon at fellowship sa Diyos.

ang fellowship kasi ay 2 aspeto, vertical at horizontal, gaya ng cross.

ang vertical ay relasyon mo sa Diyos, up-down.
ang horizontal ay relasyon mo sa mga kapatid, left right.

yan ang complete relationship natin sa Diyos at sa Kanyang katawan.

nikeairviturin

Salvation= bible + pastors

or

Salvation= bible only

which is which?