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Would you lower your standards for the sake of necessity?

For example, you are an independent individual and it is against your will to borrow money from anyone. You like the motto: Don't borrow someone's hard-earned money. But time comes you are broke, but employed. You need to pay for bills which you can't pay at the proper time. The only person you can borrow money from is your mother. Would you lower your standards.

This is just an example, I suggest you consider the question in its entirety.
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  • sophionsophion Member PEx Veteran ⭐⭐
    That depends on the standard being tested. The example you mentioned seems easy to break.

    The toughest standards are religious ones. For extremists nothing can make them violate their religious principles.
  • zeccozecco Member PExer
    pre-marital sex...

    Who knows I might meet someone that I'm so obsessed and love so much that I am willing to engage in that act as a necessary means to keep that person!
  • joma_sjoma_s HellBoundHeretic® PExer
    This is just an example, I suggest you consider the question in its entirety.
    To your sample, yes, I will.
    Ang tutuo nga I will tell a lie if a holdupper ask me if I have money or even hurt someone who is physically attacking me.

    What I would not do is to say prayers to a God that an amputee generate a leg or thank a God if I get a salary raise; or that a bus did not run me over.

    I had a religious lady friend (she knew my view), who asked me to pray for her sick mom. I went to church with her & I sincerely wished that her mom get well. She's still sick, but..

    These are just sample, I hope you get the full picture.
  • Marianna_UlapMarianna_Ulap Member PExer
    sophion wrote: »
    That depends on the standard being tested. The example you mentioned seems easy to break.

    The toughest standards are religious ones. For extremists nothing can make them violate their religious principles.

    There's a question that arises from this thread. Are principles or standards just a "guide" on how you should live, or is it a law that you must abide by, which, if you broke it or them, will result in you thinking lesser of yourself, thinking of yourself as a man of lesser value or as a man of lesser integrity. In short, would it affect your view on yourself, in that you think lesser of yourself, if you break your own standards or principles.
  • Marianna_UlapMarianna_Ulap Member PExer
    zecco wrote: »
    pre-marital sex...

    Who knows I might meet someone that I'm so obsessed and love so much that I am willing to engage in that act as a necessary means to keep that person!

    If you engage in premarital sex and it is against your standards, would it lower how you think of yourself, would it lessen your self-worth.
  • Marianna_UlapMarianna_Ulap Member PExer
    joma_s wrote: »
    Ang tutuo nga I will tell a lie if a holdupper ask me if I have money or even hurt someone who is physically attacking me.


    That's a given. What about in a circumstance that won't hurt you physically. A circumstance that would affect your views on yourself? Something you strongly stand by. For example, in your family. You are very tempted to have sex with another woman, the temptation is challenging your willpower to keep yourself from doing that. Your need for the other woman is weakening your willpower. What would you do? And would it affect your self-worth?
  • RevelationsRevelations Member PEx Influencer ⭐⭐⭐
    standards standards. I think masyadong general ang gusto pagusapan ng TS and not being specific.

    sa example nya about another woman, will power and self-worth.

    hahahaha. what if yung other woman ay masmataas ang kalidad than the present wifey? masmatambok ang ****, mas-tuwid ang dibdib, mas-sexy, masmabait, mas-bata, and mas-compatible? settling into the present marriage means lowering of standards.

    remember, it is ALWAYS an ego-booster to have someone younger and more desirable take a pass at you-- so it does not mean it is a lowering of standard.

    willpower and self-worth? relationships have too many factors to consider. and I also believe you have the wrong picture of what a relationship is to be talking about self-worth.

    let's be clear about the thread title: what does "sake of necessity" mean in this context? does it equate to practicality?
  • ascorbicacid31ascorbicacid31 Deep Thought PExer
    For example, you are an independent individual and it is against your will to borrow money from anyone. You like the motto: Don't borrow someone's hard-earned money. But time comes you are broke, but employed. You need to pay for bills which you can't pay at the proper time. The only person you can borrow money from is your mother. Would you lower your standards.

    This is just an example, I suggest you consider the question in its entirety.

    The reason why some people are broke is because they are spending beyond their means and lack of money management. Borrowing is habit forming and destructive.

    The very fact that a person is employed and yet broke, tells something about their spending habits.

    The very fact that a person is employed and yet borrows, tells something about their character.

    The very fact that a person is employed and knows that the next payday is matter of time and not a million years, tells something about their patience.

    It is not a matter of lowering your standards. It is a matter of burdening someone to lessen your dire situation.

    It is a matter of inconsideration.
    It is a matter of selfishness.
    It is a matter of self first rather than the other person.
  • Marianna_UlapMarianna_Ulap Member PExer
    The reason why some people are broke is because they are spending beyond their means and lack of money management. Borrowing is habit forming and destructive.

    The very fact that a person is employed and yet broke, tells something about their spending habits.

    The very fact that a person is employed and yet borrows, tells something about their character.

    The very fact that a person is employed and knows that the next payday is matter of time and not a million years, tells something about their patience.

    It is not a matter of lowering your standards. It is a matter of burdening someone to lessen your dire situation.

    It is a matter of inconsideration.
    It is a matter of selfishness.
    It is a matter of self first rather than the other person
    .

    That's enlightening. That should be emphasized more.
  • Marianna_UlapMarianna_Ulap Member PExer
    standards standards. I think masyadong general ang gusto pagusapan ng TS and not being specific.

    sa example nya about another woman, will power and self-worth.

    hahahaha. what if yung other woman ay masmataas ang kalidad than the present wifey? masmatambok ang ****, mas-tuwid ang dibdib, mas-sexy, masmabait, mas-bata, and mas-compatible? settling into the present marriage means lowering of standards.

    remember, it is ALWAYS an ego-booster to have someone younger and more desirable take a pass at you-- so it does not mean it is a lowering of standard.

    willpower and self-worth? relationships have too many factors to consider. and I also believe you have the wrong picture of what a relationship is to be talking about self-worth.

    let's be clear about the thread title: what does "sake of necessity" mean in this context? does it equate to practicality?

    Yea I was probably giving the wrong examples for people to think more in depth. For the sake of necessity, I mean something that you need to do which means you must use your practicality. Let's consider us human beings being susceptible to making the wrong options to choose from. What if you are a parent of ten kids, you are not that rich, you think that the only way you can feed your kids is either by stealing or borrowing money. In your perception, you have no choice. Yes, you didn't make good options, but in your point of view, those are the only options. However, you know that those are wrong things to do. Would you do it? And would you feel really bad, bad enough that you think lesser of yourself.

    As for your other points, they're a little ambiguous to me.
    standards standards. I think masyadong general ang gusto pagusapan ng TS and not being specific.

    By standard, I mean: A fixed or predetermined policy or mode of action. Basing from your example, about being faithful. If it's not your standard in the first place, why would you consider that it's a "loweing of standard"? I'm trying to find out about how you would view yourself after breaking YOUR own standard on a certain situation.
    sa example nya about another woman, will power and self-worth.

    hahahaha. what if yung other woman ay masmataas ang kalidad than the present wifey? masmatambok ang ****, mas-tuwid ang dibdib, mas-sexy, masmabait, mas-bata, and mas-compatible? settling into the present marriage means lowering of standards.

    remember, it is ALWAYS an ego-booster to have someone younger and more desirable take a pass at you-- so it does not mean it is a lowering of standard.

    Again, I'm not asking objectively. I'm asking subjectively. I made this thread to find out if people would do something that is against the principles that they made.

    As for the other points that you're trying to make, please elaborate.
    willpower and self-worth? relationships have too many factors to consider. and I also believe you have the wrong picture of what a relationship is to be talking about self-worth.

    Could you expound on that?
  • Marianna_UlapMarianna_Ulap Member PExer
    After much consideration on the definitions of standard/principle, I doubt they can be broken. Honestly, I can't think of a good example of a person's principle being challenged. Maybe principle is not something to be broken. Also, maybe it changes constantly. Basing from the definition that it's fixed, it CAN'T be broken, but it can be changed.
  • Marianna_UlapMarianna_Ulap Member PExer
    @ Revelations. I think I understand where your confusion is coming from.

    Let's consider this: Would you lower your standards

    By "would you lower" I mean would you revise your standard on a certain matter.

    And this one: For the sake of necessity,

    I mean for the sake of a seemingly difficult situation, in which you need to use your practicality.
  • joma_sjoma_s HellBoundHeretic® PExer
    That's a given. What about in a circumstance that won't hurt you physically. A circumstance that would affect your views on yourself? Something you strongly stand by. For example, in your family. You are very tempted to have sex with another woman, the temptation is challenging your willpower to keep yourself from doing that. Your need for the other woman is weakening your willpower. What would you do? And would it affect your self-worth?
    I see your point.

    Again, I will follow your scenario. Having sex & maintaining a torrid affair with another woman will not diminish my self worth, nor make it improve. Sometimes things happen & we have just to live with it. I am the kind of person who don't live on guilt or 'accomplishment'. Besides, I'm not to jump to bed with all women I meet.

    At one time, I went home to my pregnant wife reporting that I spent half of my months salary to a 'boys party'. I felt bad, I realised what an assh0le I was, asked for forgiveness & made a big effort not to do it again. I did not dwell on it but treat that as a learning experience.

    Of course, there are no-no's for me. As an example is raping your daughter or punching your defenseless mother.

    Something that I strongly standby? That's very difficult to pinpoint, but whatever it is, I always keep an open mind as well as my option. And whichever way I choose will not make me judge, hate, pat my shoulder or worst, blame others.

    Now, can you tell us your view to your question?
  • ascorbicacid31ascorbicacid31 Deep Thought PExer
    Whoever controls your heart, controls you.
    Whoever controls you, controls your destiny.

    It is not a sin to Love. No laws are broken.
  • Marianna_UlapMarianna_Ulap Member PExer
    joma_s wrote: »
    I see your point.

    Again, I will follow your scenario. Having sex & maintaining a torrid affair with another woman will not diminish my self worth, nor make it improve. Sometimes things happen & we have just to live with it. I am the kind of person who don't live on guilt or 'accomplishment'. Besides, I'm not to jump to bed with all women I meet.

    At one time, I went home to my pregnant wife reporting that I spent half of my months salary to a 'boys party'. I felt bad, I realised what an assh0le I was, asked for forgiveness & made a big effort not to do it again. I did not dwell on it but treat that as a learning experience.

    Of course, there are no-no's for me. As an example is raping your daughter or punching your defenseless mother.

    Something that I strongly standby? That's very difficult to pinpoint, but whatever it is, I always keep an open mind as well as my option. And whichever way I choose will not make me judge, hate or pat my shoulder.

    Ok, thank you for your consideration and honesty in answering my question. I am here for alot of reasons and one of them is to try to find out how people deal with problems. I want to find out how many people attempt to solve their problems in the same way I do. And is my way good or bad. Do they consider other people first or themselves first upon deciding and is that a good thing. I seek that because I need the experiences of other people to help me decide. Experiences that will tell me how to deal with situations the best way.
  • Zeitgeist699Zeitgeist699 Realist PEx Influencer ⭐⭐⭐
    just make sure that you pay what you borrowed on the agreed time..plus, if your mom is wealthy then you dont really need to worry about borrowing money from her. just save your pride and pay what you promised and on time.
  • Marianna_UlapMarianna_Ulap Member PExer
    just make sure that you pay what you borrowed on the agreed time..plus, if your mom is wealthy then you dont really need to worry about borrowing money from her. just save your pride and pay what you promised and on time.

    Ok, thanks.
  • newbiebabynewbiebaby Member PExer
    For example, you are an independent individual and it is against your will to borrow money from anyone. You like the motto: Don't borrow someone's hard-earned money. But time comes you are broke, but employed. You need to pay for bills which you can't pay at the proper time. The only person you can borrow money from is your mother. Would you lower your standards.

    This is just an example, I suggest you consider the question in its entirety.

    in other words kapit sa patalim?

    the principles and standards adhere and live to by people depend on the environment they grew up with and religion is basically a major factor. For example, you vow not to enrich yourself at the expense of another, but let's say you witnessed your son killing the maid but the driver was the one incarcerated. Would you go out and testify against your son considering that you are the only key that will prove his guilt. Or would you close your eyes and pretend to be blind and ignore your principle not to take advantage of the weak?

    The answer would depend on how much a person value these principles. If she values it so much and she violates it, guilt will follow. Guilt is a sign of contrition, it means that you know that you did something wrong.

    But to those who take these priciples lightly in their lives would probably just charge it as part of experience. No great impact.

    But to answer your question if I would lower (disregard) my standards for the sake of necessity, i would answer no. But I could never really tell, let's cross the bridge when we get there. Its easier said than done if already faced with actual situation.
  • Marianna_UlapMarianna_Ulap Member PExer
    ^Thanks for your input newbiebaby. I appreciate it.
  • charcancharcan Mkring 和 史蒂芬 PExer
    zecco wrote: »
    pre-marital sex...

    Who knows I might meet someone that I'm so obsessed and love so much that I am willing to engage in that act as a necessary means to keep that person!

    wow josiah hindi ko alam
    ganyan ka pala ka open minded:naughty:

    depende sa sitwasyon lagi yan
    morally mas mahirap ako mahatak:lol:
    patigasan pa :lol:
    kung sa kalam ng sikmura maraming
    ways para mabuhay o kumita. Pag marunong
    ka dumiskarte matipid ka nung kumikita pa.

    Kung hindi na kaya ang marangyang klase ng buhay
    kailangan mo mag adjust, at gumastos lang sa
    kung ano ang kaya dapat laging mas malaki ang
    ipon o pasok against sa expenses. ;)

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