Should the government force catholic to accept divorce?

zecco

From this thread:
http://www.pinoyexchange.com/forums/showthread.php?t=514599

Most people are in favor of divorce, but my question is: Does that mean that Catholics, et al, should accept DIVORCE in their religion?

Or if a married member of the catholic church wants divorce, should that person drop the religion, divorce, and remarry with only the government's acknowledgement?

tonton

If you're a devout Catholic and you had a divorce, then you're a hypocrite.

zecco

tonton wrote: »

If you're a devout Catholic and you had a divorce, then you're a hypocrite.

very good.

May pexer kasi sa thread link that I posted na gusto talaga niyang i-ignore yung religion, and just have divorce for all citizens.

I'm like--so bakit ka pa nagpakasal sa catholic?

not him, but, to those people he is protecting.

intsik siomai

Dapat yung Catholic magsuffer na walang divorce, pero yung di Catholic, dapat may divorce. Christians dig sacrifices, christians are masochists. But what about the non-christians?

Pa-Morally upright pa kuno ang Pinas, puro plunder, corruption, snatchers, holdapers, utangero, estafadora naman mga tao.... ay sus!

tonton

zecco wrote: »

very good.

May pexer kasi sa thread link that I posted na gusto talaga niyang i-ignore yung religion, and just have divorce for all citizens.

I'm like--so bakit ka pa nagpakasal sa catholic?

not him, but, to those people he is protecting.

Karamihan naman ng kakilala kong katoliko nagsisimba lang pero walang namang pakialam sa mga turo ng simbahan.Importante lang sa kanila magsimba para lang masabi daw ng diyos na hindi sila nakakalimot.

Zeitgeist699

personally, i think its about time the philippines should have divorce. i mean, why does the government make it so difficult, time-consuming and expensive if both parties dont want each other anymore and want to live separate lives? it has nothing to do with religion nor any force to do it. just as long as the govt assures the citizen that if it wants to get divorce, they have the option to take it. subject to legal processes of course. annulment makes one difficult to attain separation because theres too much bureaucracy involved.

...it all boils down to separation of the church and state. rendering to caeasar what is of caeasar's...

zecco

Zeitgeist699 wrote: »

personally, i think its about time the philippines should have divorce. i mean, why does the government make it so difficult, time-consuming and expensive if both parties dont want each other anymore and want to live separate lives? it has nothing to do with religion nor any force to do it. just as long as the govt assures the citizen that if it wants to get divorce, they have the option to take it. subject to legal processes of course. annulment makes one difficult to attain separation because theres too much bureaucracy involved.

...it all boils down to separation of the church and state. rendering to caeasar what is of caeasar's...

Here is what I said in that thread:

zecco wrote: »

The government should stop issuing a legal contract during Christian Marriages/ other religious marriages. They should be separate from now on. So that, members will be aware that they are taking different oaths, therefore, different responsibilities.

At para rin mas lalong magiging matibay at mas genuine yung religious marriages coz the couples are really being true to their vows and are not feeling forced to do it just so they can be legally married.

Dapat walang legal basis sa mga kasalang relihiyon.Couples get married there not to authenticate their marriages, but for spiritual reasons.

newbiebaby

Zeitgeist699 wrote: »

personally, i think its about time the philippines should have divorce. i mean, why does the government make it so difficult, time-consuming and expensive if both parties dont want each other anymore and want to live separate lives? it has nothing to do with religion nor any force to do it. just as long as the govt assures the citizen that if it wants to get divorce, they have the option to take it. subject to legal processes of course. annulment makes one difficult to attain separation because theres too much bureaucracy involved.

...it all boils down to separation of the church and state. rendering to caeasar what is of caeasar's...

in the proposed bill, what are the possible grounds for divorce?

don't you think that divorce law will weaken the sanctity of marriage?

zecco

newbiebaby wrote: »

in the proposed bill, what are the possible grounds for divorce?

don't you think that divorce law will weaken the sanctity of marriage?

sure, it will..

Kaya nga magiging "PREMIUM" na yung mga religious marriages, kasi malalim yung vows than in "regular" marriage.

kos_mos

zecco wrote: »

From this thread:
http://www.pinoyexchange.com/forums/showthread.php?t=514599

Most people are in favor of divorce, but my question is: Does that mean that Catholics, et al, should accept DIVORCE in their religion?

Or if a married member of the catholic church wants divorce, should that person drop the religion, divorce, and remarry with only the government's acknowledgement?

By legislating divorce, the government is not forcing anyone to accept it. Like tonton said, if a Catholic who doesn't believe in divorce did get a divorce then they are not practicing what they believe in. The government may merely provide 'options' for its citizens.

Drinking alcoholic beverage under the law is legal (right retxed?), but does that mean the government is forcing Muslims to 'accept' it in their religion?

joma_s

Para sa akin, ang marriage should have no religious color.

Marriage should be an agreement by two consenting adults to live together & build on from there with the ingredient of respect, cooperation while maintaining individuality.

If in the future, the partner cannot sustain, then they have the option to terminate the bond.

kos_mos

joma_s wrote: »

Para sa akin, ang marriage should have no religious color.

Marriage should be an agreement by two consenting adults to live together & build on from there with the ingredient of respect, cooperation while maintaining individuality.

If in the future, the partner cannot sustain, then they have the option to terminate the bond.

As is in Islam.

A marriage contract in Islam is not necessarily done in front of an 'Imam', but an authority (Father, Brother, Judge, etc), and two witnesses, is all.

SmartDessa

"force" talaga ha.

well, as far as forcing is concern, no, they should not force anything from the RC.

rickym

as of now muslims are allowed multiple marriages legally in the philippines as long as of course they are muslim.

i think catholics should not be allowed divorce while non-catholics should be allowed divorce.

but i also think that catholics should be allowed to formally leave their religion if they want to.

Zeitgeist699

newbiebaby wrote: »

don't you think that divorce law will weaken the sanctity of marriage?

marriage like all other legal transactions/contracts is simply a binding legal agreement between 2 consenting adults. if one party do not comply with the commitments involve in the deal, then why would anyone prevent the other party to void that contract? im talking about civil marriage here, (although you can also apply it with church marriage since it is also recognized by the state to be legal and binding)... i would suggest you to cut back the hogwash romanticism of that poetic term (sanctity) and look at it in a legal, pragmatic and practical sense. you will have the answer.

BlueAndYellow

Zeitgeist699 wrote: »

marriage like all other legal transactions/contracts is simply a binding legal agreement between 2 consenting adults. if one party do not comply with the commitments involve in the deal, then why would anyone prevent the other party to void that contract? im talking about civil marriage here, (although you can also apply it with church marriage since it is also recognized by the state to be legal and binding)... i would suggest you to cut back the hogwash romanticism of that poetic term (sanctity) and look at it in a legal, pragmatic and practical sense. you will have the answer.

very well said... hmm they don't have to force other religions... they should IGNORE all religions...

retxed

kos_mos wrote: »

As is in Islam.

A marriage contract in Islam is not necessarily done in front of an 'Imam', but an authority (Father, Brother, Judge, etc), and two witnesses, is all.

tumpak! pero anong authority? na-discuss na natin yang divorce di ba? sino ba nanalo dun? ah...dun ka pala nanakbo sa thread na un, hindi ko na makita eh. now as per the topic, no divorce for me. for the very simple reason - I will grow old w/ the woman I married, she's everything that I got, wala na akong hahanapin pa! kaya hindi ako nag-Muslim eh matutukso ako sa 4 wives. habulin pa mandin ako ng babae, ang pogi ko eh.

Ateo

Some trivia:

a. There are just two countries in the entire planet with no divorce law. That is Malta and the Philippines. Malta is having a referendum right now to address this issue.

b. Vatican City has a divorce law. So has Saudi Arabia

c. All our actor/politicians who are chick boys -- Bong Revilla, Tito Sotto, etc. turned out to be social conservatives, ayaw ng contraceptives and divorce. Ang tao nga naman, di mo akalain.

newbiebaby

Zeitgeist699 wrote: »

marriage like all other legal transactions/contracts is simply a binding legal agreement between 2 consenting adults. if one party do not comply with the commitments involve in the deal, then why would anyone prevent the other party to void that contract? im talking about civil marriage here, (although you can also apply it with church marriage since it is also recognized by the state to be legal and binding)... i would suggest you to cut back the hogwash romanticism of that poetic term (sanctity) and look at it in a legal, pragmatic and practical sense. you will have the answer.

its like comparing marriage to any other contracts such as contract of sale, employment contract and any other commercial contracts. Is it not that marriage, though considered a contract, is unique, that's why its called "special contract" between husband and wife? Its not a mere agreement, but a vow. If the marriage is void then file nullity of marriage, if voidable then annulment. So why push for divorce? So it would be easier? cheaper? faster to remarry?

Ateo

If you are not going to need a divorce, why worry when others want it? You are not going to marry them, are you? Or are you worried that your future husband will divorce you, so you are making sure that he could not do that?

carlocross

Malinaw na nakasaad sa law that there should be a seperation of state and religion/church. I'm against divorce, pero mas ok na rin to kesa magkaron ng ADULTERY and crimes of passion. Un ***. G'morning everyone!