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"JESUS" a PROPHET not "GOD" !!!

NO OPINIONS PLEASE!!!
We only accept sound evidences and proofs!!!!!
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  • brownpaubrownpau Member PEx Veteran ⭐⭐
    Additional reference:

    Jesus and Mohammed:
    http://www.pinoyexchange.com/forums/showthread.php3?s=&threadid=16769

    (By the way, I'm looking forward to seeing what you accept as "sound evidence" and "proof" as opposed to "OPINIONS.")
  • EvolutionEvolution Banned by Admin PExer
    Correct, Jesus is a Prophet and not God. This is the teaching of the TRUE CHURCH OF CHRIST that rose from the far esat based on Biblically sound doctrine.
  • JCsPartnerJCsPartner Member PExer
    Wrong! Awfully wrong! Jesus said that He and the Father is one plus the Holy Spirit. Kaya nga may trinity eh.
  • QuentinQuentin Montejo PExer
    hay nako. alam niyo ilang thread na ginawa para sa ganito. kahit isang damakmak na rason ang ibigay sa inyo, hindi niyo pa rin naiintindihan.

    sa huli naman, Diyos lang naman makakaalam kung ano ka talaga sa kanya eh. always will and always will be.

    tuldok.
  • JCsPartnerJCsPartner Member PExer
    Wrong! dead wrong! Remember, Christ said that "I and the Father is one". Okay? Tapos kasama pa sakanila ang Holy Spirit kay nga may trinity e. Kung ayaw mo maniwala, check your bible
  • QuentinQuentin Montejo PExer
    ano to? karugtong ng unang post?
  • brownpaubrownpau Member PEx Veteran ⭐⭐
    Originally posted by Quentin
    ano to? karugtong ng unang post?

    Double-post 'ata na na-edit after some bad lag-time. Okay lang yun. :D

    For additional reference, here's more theological "fodder" about our "Father". (Hey, I think I made a holy pun!) :D :bop:

    Delving into the Trinity
    http://www.pinoyexchange.com/forums/showthread.php3?s=&threadid=38041
  • RASASRASAS Member PExer
    Originally posted by JCsPartner
    Wrong! Awfully wrong! Jesus said that He and the Father is one plus the Holy Spirit. Kaya nga may trinity eh.

    One in what??? the verse stopped there and did not elaborate.....

    How do you explain the trinity? is it 1+1+1=1????
    Pakilinaw lang (if you can!!!) please.......
  • raggsterraggster ghost in the shell PExer
    the Holy Trinity is not 1+1+1=1. they aren't three separate entities merged to form a single God. Nor is it a god with three heads; anything with three heads isn't a being, it's a monster! :lol:

    God is God. there is no question about that. so how can God be the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit all at the same time?

    think: pick any person out in the street, say an MMDA traffic enforcer. first of all, he's an MMDA person. but he's also a father to his children. he's also a son to his parents. he's also a brother to his siblings. he's also a friend to his friends. he's also the husband to his wife. in other words, he is different things in relation to different people and they was those different people relate to him.

    now, multiply that analogy by a factor of aroudn one million, and we get the reasoning as to why God is the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit: these are the three primary ways by which we relate to the one God.

    The Father creates and sustains us, nurtures us, gives us our responsibilities and freedoms as human beings.

    The Son saves us from our folly and redeems us to the Father, and ultimately also judges our deeds as we are presented before the Father.

    the Holy Spirit is Divine Love present in our world today. Jesus Christ showed us this love when he walked the earth, and now this potentiality of divine love is shared to and among us through the Holy Spirit.

    6 billions people, three relationships to God, one God.

    comments?
  • RASASRASAS Member PExer
    Originally posted by Quentin
    hay nako. alam niyo ilang thread na ginawa para sa ganito. kahit isang damakmak na rason ang ibigay sa inyo, hindi niyo pa rin naiintindihan.

    sa huli naman, Diyos lang naman makakaalam kung ano ka talaga sa kanya eh. always will and always will be.

    tuldok.

    Tama ka dyan!.....kasi naman ang ibinibigay ng karamihan ay puro rason at opinyon at hindi proof .

    >>>So many people who are saying that God is only ONE but they ascribe partners to him >>>

    They say that there is only one God but is composed of the father the son (Jesus) and the holy ghost (meaning 3-in-1 parang kape...) . Others say that indeed there is only one god and Jesus is just a prophet......ang nakakapagtaka they all use the same reference ......the BIBLE!!!!!
  • RASASRASAS Member PExer
    Originally posted by raggster
    the Holy Trinity is not 1+1+1=1. they aren't three separate entities merged to form a single God. Nor is it a god with three heads; anything with three heads isn't a being, it's a monster! :lol:

    God is God. there is no question about that. so how can God be the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit all at the same time?

    think: pick any person out in the street, say an MMDA traffic enforcer. first of all, he's an MMDA person. but he's also a father to his children. he's also a son to his parents. he's also a brother to his siblings. he's also a friend to his friends. he's also the husband to his wife. in other words, he is different things in relation to different people and they was those different people relate to him.

    now, multiply that analogy by a factor of aroudn one million, and we get the reasoning as to why God is the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit: these are the three primary ways by which we relate to the one God.

    The Father creates and sustains us, nurtures us, gives us our responsibilities and freedoms as human beings.

    The Son saves us from our folly and redeems us to the Father, and ultimately also judges our deeds as we are presented before the Father.

    the Holy Spirit is Divine Love present in our world today. Jesus Christ showed us this love when he walked the earth, and now this potentiality of divine love is shared to and among us through the Holy Spirit.

    6 billions people, three relationships to God, one God.

    comments?

    A person having different types of relationships with respect to others as you have cited is understandable enough but when you equated this to the explanation of the trinity , it is better that you think again.....when that MMDA traffic enforcer dies what happens to the father, the husband, the friend, the son of his parents... all these also die right ???

    Now, when Jesus died on the cross as what was claimed to support the trinitarian doctrine....who was the sustainer, the nurturer , the GOD at that time????? Did the so called father or the holy spirit also die?????

    Any more similitudes?????
  • MEMMEM Banned by Admin PExer
    Originally posted by Evolution
    Correct, Jesus is a Prophet and not God. This is the teaching of the TRUE CHURCH OF CHRIST that rose from the far esat based on Biblically sound doctrine.

    siguro myembro ka ng Iglesia Ni Bularan/Manalo/Cristong-Tao noh?

    Baket ayaw ninyong tanggapin ang sabi ni Cristo dito sa...

    Juan 8:56-59
    "56Ang inyong amang si Abraham ay nagalak na makita niya ang aking araw. Nakita niya ito at siya ay natuwa.
    57Sinabi nga ng mga Judio sa kaniya: Wala ka pang limampung taong gulang at nakita mo na si Abraham?
    58Sinabi ni Jesus sa kanila: Katotohanan, katotohanang sinasabi ko sa inyo: Bago pa si Abraham ay ako na.
    59Dumampot nga sila ng mga bato upang siya ay batuhin ngunit si Jesus ay nagtago. Sa paglabas niya sa templo ay dumaan siya sa kalagitnaan nila sa ganoong paraan."

    Maliwanag ang sabi ni Cristo, bago pa si Abraham ay siya na!

    Sa Ingles ay ganito ang pahayag mismo ni Cristo dito sa...

    John 8:56-59
    56 Your father Abraham rejoiced at the thought of seeing my day; he saw it and was glad."
    57 "You are not yet fifty years old," the Jews said to him, "and you have seen Abraham!"
    58 "I tell you the truth," Jesus answered, "before Abraham was born, I am!"
    59 At this, they picked up stones to stone him, but Jesus hid himself, slipping away from the temple grounds."

    Ngayon, ayaw mo pa bang maniwala na mas nauna pa sya kaysa kay Abraham?
  • chobas_angelchobas_angel angel natalie ;) PExer
    Holy Trinity:
    God the Father
    God the Son (Jesus)
    God the Holy Spirit

    they are all one

    paano yun nangyari? we will never know. only God knows. tao lang tayo, hindi natin maiinitindihan ang lahat. hindi tayo kasing talino ng Diyos.

    yun lang, tenkyu :D
  • JCsPartnerJCsPartner Member PExer
    Originally posted by RASAS


    One in what??? the verse stopped there and did not elaborate.....

    How do you explain the trinity? is it 1+1+1=1????
    Pakilinaw lang (if you can!!!) please.......

    There are a number of parables and verses in the Bible that were not explained further. Parables are meant for us to think over and maybe somehow realize that a story happens in a situation in our life.

    As for your trinity... see? we have this mathematical thing going on that's why we can't imagine that three things can be one. May tanong ako seyo.. sa marriage, bakit ang tawag two flesh becomes one? Eh, obviously ... dalawa pa rin naman sila!

    Ang ibig sabihin lang po is that God sa kanyang sobrang pagka pure and sinless and holy, he can't face man for man is so sinful that seeing GOD face to face would take their life. That's why He gave Jesus instead to be with us for some time. To instill seed in our hearts then later on die for our sins because God loves us so much and He doesn't want us to burn in hell instead He gave us the second chance to live and maybe this time, we won't turn away from HIM. And so Jesus, before he ascended to heaven, if i'm correct, he told his disciples because they were sad that he is going to leave someone behind to guide them. And that's the HOly Spirit. The Holy Spirit, Jesus and God are only one. Just as GOD reminds David, Solomon and Moses of their sins, so does Jesus when he was a person and now, the Holy Spirit.
  • JCsPartnerJCsPartner Member PExer
    Originally posted by RASAS


    A person having different types of relationships with respect to others as you have cited is understandable enough but when you equated this to the explanation of the trinity , it is better that you think again.....when that MMDA traffic enforcer dies what happens to the father, the husband, the friend, the son of his parents... all these also die right ???

    Now, when Jesus died on the cross as what was claimed to support the trinitarian doctrine....who was the sustainer, the nurturer , the GOD at that time????? Did the so called father or the holy spirit also die?????

    Any more similitudes?????

    Still God. The Holy Spirit wasn't then there. Notice that the Holy Spirit was mentioned in the later part nung ala na si Christ. And God was watching. Symbolic nga lang yung pagkamatay ni Christ diba? It is physically real pero its also a symbol for a heavier meaning: That God chose His son to die in place sa atin kasi mahal niya tayo- he had to give up his son for us.

    As for your mr mmda, he's just an example in terms of relationship. Parang kinlarifay lang yung pagiging 3 in one nila. They are NOT exactly the same.
  • JCsPartnerJCsPartner Member PExer
    Originally posted by RASAS


    Tama ka dyan!.....kasi naman ang ibinibigay ng karamihan ay puro rason at opinyon at hindi proof .

    >>>So many people who are saying that God is only ONE but they ascribe partners to him >>>

    They say that there is only one God but is composed of the father the son (Jesus) and the holy ghost (meaning 3-in-1 parang kape...) . Others say that indeed there is only one god and Jesus is just a prophet......ang nakakapagtaka they all use the same reference ......the BIBLE!!!!!

    Yan ang Biblia... try mo basahin.. you will find it funny kasi, even you will not have the same convictions as we do. Dyan lalabas yung how often do you meditate on Christ's word and do you really allow His words to live in you? kase only then will you realize that your reasons and opinions are proofs to your questions (kung tama).
  • JCsPartnerJCsPartner Member PExer
    Originally posted by Evolution
    Correct, Jesus is a Prophet and not God. This is the teaching of the TRUE CHURCH OF CHRIST that rose from the far esat based on Biblically sound doctrine.


    Are you sure it's Biblically sound? WHY? Because your elders told yu?
  • BastamBastam Member PExer
    Originally posted by raggster
    the Holy Trinity is not 1+1+1=1. they aren't three separate entities merged to form a single God. Nor is it a god with three heads; anything with three heads isn't a being, it's a monster! :lol:

    God is God. there is no question about that. so how can God be the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit all at the same time?

    think: pick any person out in the street, say an MMDA traffic enforcer. first of all, he's an MMDA person. but he's also a father to his children. he's also a son to his parents. he's also a brother to his siblings. he's also a friend to his friends. he's also the husband to his wife. in other words, he is different things in relation to different people and they was those different people relate to him.

    now, multiply that analogy by a factor of aroudn one million, and we get the reasoning as to why God is the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit: these are the three primary ways by which we relate to the one God.

    The Father creates and sustains us, nurtures us, gives us our responsibilities and freedoms as human beings.

    The Son saves us from our folly and redeems us to the Father, and ultimately also judges our deeds as we are presented before the Father.

    the Holy Spirit is Divine Love present in our world today. Jesus Christ showed us this love when he walked the earth, and now this potentiality of divine love is shared to and among us through the Holy Spirit.

    6 billions people, three relationships to God, one God.

    comments?
    So you're saying that God have these three, let us say titles
    because he have three functions? Don't you think that God can be
    this three without causing a confusion?

    By the way I think the owner of this topic wants you to prove that
    your God (Jesus) is God, he's not pertaining to your relationship
    with your God. So back to the question is He (JC) God or let me put
    it this way, How could one be down here praying to the the one up there
    who is him also? See even the question I based on your belief does not
    sound right. How could God The Almighty let himself be crucified by His
    creatures? Care to Answer?
    :confused:
  • BastamBastam Member PExer
    Originally posted by JCsPartner


    There are a number of parables and verses in the Bible that were not explained further. Parables are meant for us to think over and maybe somehow realize that a story happens in a situation in our life.

    As for your trinity... see? we have this mathematical thing going on that's why we can't imagine that three things can be one. May tanong ako seyo.. sa marriage, bakit ang tawag two flesh becomes one? Eh, obviously ... dalawa pa rin naman sila!

    Ang ibig sabihin lang po is that God sa kanyang sobrang pagka pure and sinless and holy, he can't face man for man is so sinful that seeing GOD face to face would take their life. That's why He gave Jesus instead to be with us for some time. To instill seed in our hearts then later on die for our sins because God loves us so much and He doesn't want us to burn in hell instead He gave us the second chance to live and maybe this time, we won't turn away from HIM. And so Jesus, before he ascended to heaven, if i'm correct, he told his disciples because they were sad that he is going to leave someone behind to guide them. And that's the HOly Spirit. The Holy Spirit, Jesus and God are only one. Just as GOD reminds David, Solomon and Moses of their sins, so does Jesus when he was a person and now, the Holy Spirit.
    Can you clarify some things for me, how do you exactly believe in the Trinity, how do you understand it? where in the Bible did they (Trinity) say they are one? How come when you say something about one of them (trinity) you sound like you're telling about "a person" and that person's function, so how could this three different persons with different function on different
    times be one?:confused:
  • YakYak Member PExer
    I don't mean to offend anyone, believers and non-believers alike, but I find the discussion to be useless (I'm sorry but I can't think of a nicer term). First off, the starter of this post asked for hard evidences (or reading materials for that matter) and you still go on posting your opinions. Second, your debate about the trinity is a big loop. Most people believe, and I think Christians here would agree with me when I say that the bible they adhere to should not be translated literally. So what does that imply? It implies that everyone can have his/her own version of opinion regarding the subject matter and that just opens to a huge hole. Believers can always have a counter to whatever non-believers would suggest. They can always develop another interpretation which would more or less appeal to their logic and others' and so on...

    I admit that I am also off the track here because of this post but since some already initiated personal views, then am glad to continue.

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