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Apostasy

taste4musictaste4music bored but curious PExer
OrionPax wrote: »
Who is attacking another faith?

Im just citing an oxymoron here why INCs dispute the Catholic Church's apostolic succession and authority when it is the SAME INC that recognizes the SAME Catholic Church was (past tense) the true church, but was later "apostasized"(sic) according to them
INC defenders, a Roman Catholic apologist claims to be relating true INC beliefs. Please clarify for our enlightenment:

1. Is OrionPax right to say you believe the Roman Catholic church began as "the true church" but was later "apostasized" ...

2 ... or was the True Church begun by Jesus apostasized and turned into the Roman Catholic church?

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  • LucTLucT Member PExer
    If there is no RCC, there will be no INC. Period.
  • OrionPaxOrionPax Fire Bomber Lead Guitarist PExer
    INC members...explain your claims of Apostasy HERE

    IS it RIGHT that the event of an Apostasy, the Restorianist "church" SHOULD SEVER its TIES COMPLETELY with the identified "apostasized" church

    Again, ties include its founder, the Apostles, its bishops, the canon and writings sealed by the "apostasized" church
  • aislinnaislinn la conqu?te de la princess PExer
    @TS

    My answer would be number 2. Hehe.
  • taste4musictaste4music bored but curious PExer
    :D My lips are sealed. Mahirap maakusahan.
  • OrionPaxOrionPax Fire Bomber Lead Guitarist PExer
    I will consider the responses from a Protestant and a Restorianist POV :D
  • aislinnaislinn la conqu?te de la princess PExer
    :D My lips are sealed. Mahirap maakusahan.

    :lol: Too late.

    @ Orion

    Gee, thanks.
  • TotnakTotnak Theistic Apologist PEx Influencer ⭐⭐⭐
    aislinn wrote: »
    @TS

    My answer would be number 2. Hehe.

    total or partial apostasy?:D
  • MarasmusMarasmus Member PExer
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    1) una, pinalalabas nilang sablay si Kristo sa pangakong hindi madadaig ng trangkahan ng hades ang iglesia, dahil nga sa tsismaks nilang sa unang siglo pa lang nalipol na sila

    2) pangalawa, pinagkakalat din nila ang pakanang may propesiya na malilipol ang lahat-lahat ng mga tupa ni Kristo o walang matitira dahil tatalikod ang buong iglesia kahit wala namang ganitong kapahayagan sa banal na kasulatan. Pero may mga dindekwat silang talata tulad ng Zec. 13:7; Mat. 7:15; 26:31; Gawa 20:29; 1 Tim. 4:1

    3) ang pangatlo naman, yan ay ang pagkakatusta ng trilyong trilyong trilyong trilyong mga kaluluwa dahil sa naganap na pagtalikod o pagkalipol ng kawan ni Kristo.
  • aislinnaislinn la conqu?te de la princess PExer
    Totnak wrote: »
    total or partial apostasy?:D

    :hmm: I don't think that would apply to choice number 2. To choice number 1 perhaps?:)
  • ETEsETEs Member PExer
    #2 is correct, and there was no Catholic Church as an organization or body ever recorded in the NT though the body of Christ spread like wildfire in the first century. The changes appeared in 110AD by Ignatius.
  • froshie1froshie1 Member PEx Influencer ⭐⭐⭐
    Kailan ba nabuo ang bible at sino ba ang nagbuo nito? Kung may apostasy na naganap eh di mali ang bibliya na hinahawakan nating lahat.
  • ETEsETEs Member PExer
    It is not the time of compilation and who compiles it, instead when was those written scriptures ever made and NT was written in the first century that's why no recorded evidence that Catholic Church exist as an organization in the first century, due to the fact that it was invented in 110AD by Ignatius.
  • froshie1froshie1 Member PEx Influencer ⭐⭐⭐
    Kung may mali na simbahan, mali na din ang bible na hinahawak ninyo ganun lang kasimple iyon.
  • ETEsETEs Member PExer
    Sino ba ang nagsulat ng NT yung members of the first century? or second century?
  • froshie1froshie1 Member PEx Influencer ⭐⭐⭐
    Bago ka nagkaron ng bible na hinahawakan nyo ngayon may mga iba pang mga books diyan maliban sa alam nating lahat. Isa na dyan iyong Gospel of Thomas. Kung mali ang simbahang katoliko eh di mali din ang pagpili nya sa mga libro na binubuo na tinatawag natin ngayon na Bibliya.
  • ETEsETEs Member PExer
    Saan ba nagkamali? Sa pananampalataya o sa pagpili ng books to form the NT?

    Ibig bang sabihin eh dahil evil minded yun nagcompile eh evil na yung kinompile na hindi naman nila isinulat in the first place?
  • OrionPaxOrionPax Fire Bomber Lead Guitarist PExer
    If the INC's pick Number 2, then they have TO CUT TIES with that "church" from the 1st CE AD to the time it was "Apostasized" (sic)...

    Jesus and the Apostles to the Church Father/Pope to where it was
    "supposedly" Apostasized (sic)

    That includes the Biblical Canon as well....

    In the essence of Restorianist movements...start from SCRATCH


  • taste4musictaste4music bored but curious PExer
    OrionPax wrote: »
    If the INC's pick Number 2, then they have TO CUT TIES with that "church" from the 1st CE AD to the time it was "Apostasized" (sic)...

    Jesus and the Apostles to the Church Father/Pope to where it was
    "supposedly" Apostasized (sic)

    That includes the Biblical Canon as well....

    In the essence of Restorianist movements...start from SCRATCH
    Another question for our INC defenders then:
    2 Timothy 3:16 NIV
    All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness,

    Who was responsible for preserving the Word of God?

    1. The Roman Catholic church?

    2. Or God?

    :)
  • OrionPaxOrionPax Fire Bomber Lead Guitarist PExer
    This verse ONLY pertains to what Paul considers as "Scripture"

    It can be the Tanakh or the Talmud....no New Testament in the time of writing in the book to Timothy

    Who/What group preserved the written WORD and SEALED the Canon???



    Another question for our INC defenders then:
    2 Timothy 3:16 NIV
    All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness,

    Who was responsible for preserving the Word of God?

    1. The Roman Catholic church?

    2. Or God?

    :)
  • OrionPaxOrionPax Fire Bomber Lead Guitarist PExer
    And for the guidance of Non Catholic Christians...the "Roman" tag in Catholic Church ONLY refers to the Latin Rite

    There are several Rites in Catholicism FYI..

    Catholic Church is the term that SHOULD be USED

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