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Why Dirty Kitchen?

Hello there!
I just want to post this question for curiousity and information. I been reading plans and drawing for a long time. I have seen many plans for both residential and offices for projects all over the world. I even worked for Gilbert Yu/Willie Yu - architects

But I have nowhere seen a space called 'dirty kitchen'

I have seen toilets called WC room or T/B, Foyer(entance), roof(deck), etc

Why is some kitchen called dirty? I suppose kitchen and equipment as well as the floors and work-spaces to be relatively clean, but why do some call kitchen dirty?

Do architects label some of their project DIRTY KITCHEN?

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  • KuyaDannyKuyaDanny Moderator PEx Moderator
    Only in the Philippines.

    I live in a multi-level condo building, and space is scarce. We have only one kitchen, and we try to keep it clean.
  • jakeyrjakeyr PEx Veteran ⭐⭐
    I'm no architect but i believe that a "dirty" kitchen is the place where all food preparation and cooking takes place. Kasi naman paghahanda lang ng food maraming kalat (sa pagpuputol, pagtatalop, pagtitrim ng meat etc.) at sa pagluluto lalo ng kung fried, nandun yung talsik ng oil at yung amoy pagnagpriprito na usually iniiwasang umabot sa loob ng bahay. Kaya usually maypagkahiwalay ang dirty kitchen sa main household area.
    At doon din ang hugasan na mga plato, kubyertos, etc.
    So kung may dirty kitchen ka may clean kitchen ka rin where prepared for is kept before it is served (kung baga staging area), and where clean utensils are stored.
  • jakeyrjakeyr PEx Veteran ⭐⭐
    It goes without saying that after all is cooked and eaten, the dirty kitchen is not left dirty. May clean up din naman.
  • KuyaDannyKuyaDanny Moderator PEx Moderator
    Some dirty kitchens I have seen are not totally enclosed. They have open walls for ventilation because, aside from frying, some grilling is also done there, especially when it rains outside and outdoor grilling is not practical.
  • KuyaDannyKuyaDanny Moderator PEx Moderator
    BTW, in more sophisticated homes, the function of the "staging area" described above is fulfilled by a room called the "butler's pantry", which is not a full-blown kitchen.
  • it's pinoy way of preserving the granite counter top, the elba gas range, the solid narra dining table.hehehe.
  • LITHIUM478LITHIUM478 PEx Influencer ⭐⭐⭐
    I think sa Pilipinas nga yan applicable... Sa experience ko nung bata ako... meron kaming 2 kitchen. Yung kitchen sa loob ng bahay at (dirty) kitchen sa labas ng bahay. Literal na dirty ito kasi kahoy ang gamit sa pagluto kaya nagkakauling ang puwit ng lutuan. Usually ginagamit namin itong kitchen na ito tuwing may handaan. Marami kaming magkakapatid at halos monthly merong handaan as an aside sa iba pang okasyon like fiesta, bisita ng kamag anak etc...

    Pero sa normal na araw... yung kitchen sa loob ng bahay ang ginagamit namin, which is electric stove or gas.

    So bata pa lang ako, yun na ang pagkaka intindi ko sa konsepto ng dirty kitchen.
  • Salamat sa mga idea. Marami ako napik-up.

    Sa mga formal na plano o sa terminology ng mga professional architecs and builders, meron ba talagang DIRTY KITCHEN (as they mark/indicate in their drawings/plan)?
  • LITHIUM478LITHIUM478 PEx Influencer ⭐⭐⭐
    joma_s wrote: »
    Salamat sa mga idea. Marami ako napik-up.

    Sa mga formal na plano o sa terminology ng mga professional architecs and builders, meron ba talagang DIRTY KITCHEN (as they mark/indicate in their drawings/plan)?

    Kung sa formal na plano hahanapin eh wala pa rin akong nakikita... Sa tingin ko meron pang gumagamit ng dirty kitchen (based sa description na ibinigay ko) sa mga probinsya na malalaki ang space, at informal ang pagkakagawa nuon.

    Pero sa mga bagong subdivisions and condo units, mahirap nang lagyan ng 'dirty kitchen' sa plano on two reasons, dahil hindi na naman talaga ito 'dirty' at saka walang space. At kung meron mang space... 'secondary kitchen' or 'additional kitchen' na siguro ang tawag.
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    Pero panigurado naman kapag sinabihan ninyo ang contractor na gusto ninyo ng 'dirty kitchen' eh alam na nila kung ano ang ibig mong sabihin, pero hindi naman ilalagay sa floor plan ang salitang 'dirty kitchen'... or kung sasabihin ninyo na gusto ninyo ng "guest room", hindi na rin ilalagay sa plano as "guest room" kundi generic "bedroom" lang ito (e.g. "bedroom 3")
  • meron naglalagay ng 'Guest Room' and we see that often. Also secondary kitchen is good same as Pantry, Auxilliary Kitchen, Food Preparation Room/Area but not 'Dirty Kitchen'.

    It creates a picture in some mind.
  • LITHIUM478LITHIUM478 PEx Influencer ⭐⭐⭐
    I do not want to contradict myself, because as stated on my first post, the picture of a 'dirty kitchen' on my mind is quite literal. And that I do not expect neither to find such a 'dirty kitchen' on a formal house plan on our contemporary homes. I believe the term 'dirty kitchen' had simply evolved to something not 'dirty' anymore anyway but used as supplementary, whether you call it as secondary, additional, auxiliary, preparation area, staging area or whatever - but serves with the same purpose of the old-fashioned 'dirty kitchen' (that I know of).

    Dirty ice cream anyone?

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  • My archi does not call it dirty kitchen. The 2 kitchens are labelled in my plan as 'wet' and 'dry' kitchen.
  • cyberfunkcyberfunk PEx Influencer ⭐⭐⭐
    I guess it started when old houses upgraded their kitchen by building another inside the house. Dati kase with the old houses may portion ng house as an extension na "batalan". Kase nun we still cook in wood burning stoves kaya nasa semi outdoor ang kusina with all the smoke and ashes para hindi pumasok sa bahay. So when lifes convenience and modernity came along they remodel the house to accommodate an indoor kitchen with newer amenities. Kaya the old batalan was considered a "dirty" kitchen since andun parin ang old wood burning stove. They never removed the old kitchen since ginagamit ito when there an occasion like a town fiesta or when they have to cook for more people. Sometimes the food prep for these occasion extend to the bakuran pa nga. Typical scene sa barrio yan sa bisperas ng mga fiesta yung "sankutsahan". Where freshly killed livestock are prepared near the old/dirty kitchen. The area was coined dirty not because it was supposed to be filthy. Iba yung connotation. Kahit naman sa ingles a dining hall is called a Mess hall. But doesn't necessary mean the place is messy. I don't mind calling it a dirty kitchen evn when I make house plans. Naiintindiihan naman ng client yun eh.. So just be politically correct we resort to euphemism so it would be "easier" on the ear.
  • It's not just in the Philippines, I guess. I live abroad and I have two kitchens at home. Indoor and outdoor. The interior decorator calls them wet and dry kitchen instead.

    Dry kitchen is for baking and preparing tea, showing off, etc.. and it usually is immaculately squeaky-clean. Wet kitchen is equally clean of course, but it is meant for other stuff (grilling, frying smelly stuff like tuyo and shrimp paste). :)
  • cyberfunkcyberfunk PEx Influencer ⭐⭐⭐
    In other words, the "dirty" kitchen is where the real cooking happens.. Kung baga dun niluluto ang ang Pinoy Soul Food.
  • A service area is acceptable for me. This place can accommodate food preparation, cooking and a bit of laundry. : )
  • BeerhandBopBeerhandBop PEx Influencer ⭐⭐⭐
    usually the dirty kitchen is in stainless steel. which has its advantages.
  • It's not just in the Philippines, I guess. I live abroad and I have two kitchens at home. Indoor and outdoor. The interior decorator calls them wet and dry kitchen instead.

    Dry kitchen is for baking and preparing tea, showing off, etc.. and it usually is immaculately squeaky-clean. Wet kitchen is equally clean of course, but it is meant for other stuff (grilling, frying smelly stuff like tuyo and shrimp paste). :)

    In abroad, do the locals call their wet kitchen DIRRTY?:D
  • LITHIUM478LITHIUM478 PEx Influencer ⭐⭐⭐
    Dirty Kitchen on a formal floor plan... (nakita ko sa FaceBook, naalala ko lang tong thread na ito)

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  • joma_s wrote: »
    In abroad, do the locals call their wet kitchen DIRRTY?:D

    I've heard it a few times, though 'wet' is more common.
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