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TNT players harangue coach
By WAYLON GALVEZ
April 1, 2010, 11:19pm


Trouble is apparently brewing in the Talk ‘N Text camp following the Tropang Texters’ 112-106 overtime defeat to San Miguel Beer Wednesday in the PBA Fiesta Cup at the Araneta Coliseum.

TNT coach Chot Reyes, already in the hot seat following their early elimination in the recent KFC-PBA Philippine Cup, figured in shouting matches with some key players following what some said were botched plays in the crucial stages of the match.

Seen talking back at Reyes were Mark Cardona and Jimmy Alapag, the team’s 1-2 punch.

Reyes was quick to downplay the exchange, calling it normal.

"Nope. That’s just normal coach-player stuff," said Reyes in a text message.

The exchange, however, can be a sign that all’s not well in the team.

Reyes reportedly has been under pressure from TNT since squandering a 2-0 lead in the best-of-five quarterfinals against Ginebra in the Philippine Cup.

The highly-charged series was marred by a TNT walkout – only the third in league history – in Game 4, allowing the Kings to forge and take the winner-take-all match.

The Texters drew record fines that reached P1.2 million for the walkout that added salt to injury.

Just when talks of a possible coaching revamp in TNT died down, Norman Black was tapped as team consultant.

Black coached San Miguel Beer and several PBA teams, collecting 10 championships, nine with San Miguel Beer and one with Sta. Lucia. He currently handles UAAP champion Ateneo, which is also being supported by Smart and PLDT chairman Manny V. Pangilinan.

His main role for TNT is to develop individual skills among players, sources said. But this has not stopped some observers to speculate that Reyes’ job maybe on the line especially since Black has been allowed to sit on the TNT bench.

Despite having one of the highest payrolls in the league, TNT has not broken through since winning the 2008-'09 PBA Philippine Cup title.

The loss to San Miguel was TNT’s second in three games, falling into a tie for fifth with Barako Bull Coffee, Air21 and Sta. Lucia Realty with similar 1-2 win-loss cards.

Coca-Cola is the surprise leader with a clean 3-0 slate after winning against Air21, 100-96, Wednesday at the Big Dome.

San Miguel is running second with a 2-1 card with Barangay Ginebra and Rain or Shine sharing third with identical 1-1 cards.

The Tigers’ 3-0 record matched the franchise’s start in the 2008 Fiesta Cup when the team was allowed to have two imports as concession.

Meantime, the PBA will resume on Easter Sunday with a pair of matches.

Barako Bull Coffee takes on Rain or Shine, while Coca-Cola tries to extend its winning streak to four when it tackles Ginebra at the Araneta Coliseum.

On the other hand, reigning Philippine Cup champion Purefoods TJ, now known as B-MEG Derby Ace, will make its conference debut on Wednesday when it battles Sta. Lucia Realty while all-Filipino runner-up Alaska meets TNT at the Astrodome in Pasay City.


http://www.mb.com.ph/articles/250598/tnt-players-harangue-coach
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  • I have a feeling norman black will replace chot reyes. MVP puts black in high regard as he has led ateneo(with mvp as the chief backer) to a couple of c'ships.
  • Jay P. MercadoJay P. Mercado Moderator PEx Moderator
    What will happen to Chot Reyes would depend heavily on his performance in the coming conferences. His championship last season gave him the leverage to the MVP group that he's the ideal coach for their team. However, chemistry problems continue to hound this franchise as even a noted coach in Reyes couldn't seem to solve this.

    Reyes still has a year in his 3-year coaching contract with TNT. I don't think TNT or Reyes would forego the remaining year as the latter has already given the franchise a title. They will make a decision when his contract expires at the end of the AFC next season.

    TNT's problem, ever since they started rebuilding their team with Asi Taulava as the pillar back in 1999, has always been chemistry. Their lineup has always been formidable, but unlike SMB or BGK, their constant rebuilding hasn't yielded as much dividends as they expected. One probable reason is the constant replacement of coaches with different systems. Before Reyes, their most successful coach was Joel Banal. The coach that gave them a clear identity and foundation was Bill Bayno but that was 7 years ago. Because of the coaching replacement, what Bayno established for the franchise has completely dissipated.

    SMB and BGK may have changed coaches but you know Siot Tanquincen and Jong Uichico have almost similar coaching philosophies, having been understudy and mentor to each other. It's easy to apply the principles of the two coaches because they are not that different from each other. TNT is a completely different case study here and what they would need is a long-term tenure of a coach to establish cohesion, identity, philosophy among others for this team.

    What Reyes may have done in tinkering his lineup that saw the addition of role players like Mark Yee, Aaron Aban, JR Quinahan and Mark Isip is a step towards the right direction. Reyes probably understands that he doesn't need a 12-man star lineup to win titles and instead, use the age-old concept of bringing in role players capable of doing the dirty job that superstars won't be doing. Still, there remains a problem as Reyes seems to find difficulty working well with Mark Cardona and Jimmy Alapag (who was relegated as a reliever of Jason Castro). The problem here is that Cardona and Alapag are the two noted leaders of this team. If there are two players that Reyes should have full support from, these should be the two. It may be a clash of personalities, difference of principles, or simply they don't like each other - the point though is that Reyes needs to mesh with these two, otherwise, it would be best to trade them. I don't subscribe to the assurances of the three and later echoed by team manager Virgil Villavicencio that this is normal. Players don't shout back at their coaches, especially in our kind of culture.
  • Agree with Jay that the constant changes of head coaches prevent TNT from forming chemistry through a certain system that a coach applies to the team.

    They had the best big man and best pg for numerous years yet produced minimal c'ships. maybe mvp should stick with a coach/system and see how it works out in the long term.

    Banal is one of the finest coaches in the land, better than even half of the head coaches in the pba today, yet management grew impatient with him only after a few conferences.
  • black will be back, for me underaccomplish ang tnt thru the years, alam ko heavily funded ang team na ito lalo na sa pre-season, may mga paexiexhibition pa sa ibang bansa
  • James Ty IIIJames Ty III PEx Influencer ⭐⭐⭐
    What will happen to Chot Reyes would depend heavily on his performance in the coming conferences. His championship last season gave him the leverage to the MVP group that he's the ideal coach for their team. However, chemistry problems continue to hound this franchise as even a noted coach in Reyes couldn't seem to solve this.

    Reyes still has a year in his 3-year coaching contract with TNT. I don't think TNT or Reyes would forego the remaining year as the latter has already given the franchise a title. They will make a decision when his contract expires at the end of the AFC next season.

    TNT's problem, ever since they started rebuilding their team with Asi Taulava as the pillar back in 1999, has always been chemistry. Their lineup has always been formidable, but unlike SMB or BGK, their constant rebuilding hasn't yielded as much dividends as they expected. One probable reason is the constant replacement of coaches with different systems. Before Reyes, their most successful coach was Joel Banal. The coach that gave them a clear identity and foundation was Bill Bayno but that was 7 years ago. Because of the coaching replacement, what Bayno established for the franchise has completely dissipated.

    SMB and BGK may have changed coaches but you know Siot Tanquincen and Jong Uichico have almost similar coaching philosophies, having been understudy and mentor to each other. It's easy to apply the principles of the two coaches because they are not that different from each other. TNT is a completely different case study here and what they would need is a long-term tenure of a coach to establish cohesion, identity, philosophy among others for this team.

    What Reyes may have done in tinkering his lineup that saw the addition of role players like Mark Yee, Aaron Aban, JR Quinahan and Mark Isip is a step towards the right direction. Reyes probably understands that he doesn't need a 12-man star lineup to win titles and instead, use the age-old concept of bringing in role players capable of doing the dirty job that superstars won't be doing. Still, there remains a problem as Reyes seems to find difficulty working well with Mark Cardona and Jimmy Alapag (who was relegated as a reliever of Jason Castro). The problem here is that Cardona and Alapag are the two noted leaders of this team. If there are two players that Reyes should have full support from, these should be the two. It may be a clash of personalities, difference of principles, or simply they don't like each other - the point though is that Reyes needs to mesh with these two, otherwise, it would be best to trade them. I don't subscribe to the assurances of the three and later echoed by team manager Virgil Villavicencio that this is normal. Players don't shout back at their coaches, especially in our kind of culture.

    Jay, haven't you noticed that JR Quinahan has not yet been used by Reyes at all this conference?
  • Baka ganito mangyari
    Black for TNT
    Chot for Ateneo
  • James Ty IIIJames Ty III PEx Influencer ⭐⭐⭐
    Black coached TNT before in 1997 when the team was known as Mobiline. It was Norman who got Andy Seigle to play in the PBA.

    Chot handled Ateneo for a while in the early '90s. His players then were Richie Ticzon and Eric Reyes.
  • Baka ganito mangyari
    Black for TNT
    Chot for Ateneo
    what in the world makes you think that ateneo would do, or even think about, your scenario proposal?
  • Baka ganito mangyari
    Black for TNT
    Chot for Ateneo

    in the inquirer today.. MVP has just stepped down as chairman of ADMU.. thus he won't be having any say on the blue eagles team starting this year.. so the chot to ADMU speculation is very doubtful.. unless chot is fired by MVP. then he is likely to coach ADMU once MVP elevates norman to TNT.
  • BeerhandBopBeerhandBop PEx Influencer ⭐⭐⭐
    April 1, 2010, 11:19pm

    APRIL FOOLS!!
  • the_BuGsthe_BuGs PEx Veteran ⭐⭐
    ok pa ba yung coaching style ni Norman Black?
  • If Black coaches TNT he has to leave ADMU. Who'll coach Ateneo now?
  • fernando_hierrofernando_hierro Member PEx Expert 🎖️
    Daming pwedeng coach sa ADMU
    just pick one at the back of the bench during games...

    or attend kayo ng PTA, pili na dun...
  • the_BuGs wrote: »
    ok pa ba yung coaching style ni Norman Black?

    Back to back UAAP Champions ang Ateneo. Saka He's one of the best coaches in the UAAP.

    Pareho naman talented and stacked teams ang Ateneo and TNT kaya malamang na makapasok ulit sa Finals ang TNT.

    Saka dami na din napanalunan na PBA Championships ni Coach Black nung araw.

    Nagchampion pa nga ang Sta.Lucia nung last season niya sa PBA.
  • TaShawn wrote: »
    TNT players harangue coach
    By WAYLON GALVEZ
    April 1, 2010, 11:19pm



    Seen talking back at Reyes were Mark Cardona and Jimmy Alapag, the team’s 1-2 punch.


    http://www.mb.com.ph/articles/250598/tnt-players-harangue-coach

    I watched the late stages of that game against SMB and it's surprising that both Cardona and Alapag didn't deliver at crunch time. Despite their awful field goal percentage, missing a lot of shots, Reyes didn't give up on them hoping they could come up with one big play in the stretch. But nothing came out. Reyes might have felt frustrated on their poor performance in such an important game which they could have won.
  • KevinDurantKevinDurant PEx Influencer ⭐⭐⭐
    Back in '03 MVP elevated Banal as the TNT head coach, after guiding the Eagles winning the '02 title. He coached the Eagles in '03 but Sandy took over in '04
    what in the world makes you think that ateneo would do, or even think about, your scenario proposal?
  • Steadily GreenSteadily Green PEx Rookie ⭐
    If my memory serves me right, nakaaway rin ni Chot si Jun Limpot nung nag-coach siya sa Sta. Lucia. The next day, The Big Deal led a boycott in practice, with some key players skipping practice.
  • James Ty IIIJames Ty III PEx Influencer ⭐⭐⭐
    Reyes was eventually kicked out by SLR management.
  • wow, i never knew that.
  • ikyanikyan PEx Veteran ⭐⭐
    Reyes was eventually kicked out by SLR management.

    You are not writer for a basketball mag?
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