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Out of Taiwan Theory versus Out of Sundaland(Mu) Theory, Origin of the Filipinos

albertus magnusalbertus magnus Los Indios Bravos PExer
Out of Taiwan Theory versus Out of Sundaland(Mu) Theory, Origin of the Filipinos

The Bellwood's Theory or popularly known as the Out of Taiwan or South China theory has a concept of everything diffusing from the Philippines, ie the Malayo-Polynesians at the least. That the Ancestors of Malays, Filipinos, Hawaiians, Polynesians, Indonesians, the Malagasy speakers of Madagascar, the Maoris of New Zealand, etc. came from South China, then passed to Taiwan and to the Philippine isles. And so the Malagasy speaker from Madagascar and at the other end of the globe, the Polynesians from Easter Island off the coast of South America have one or few ancestors in common passing through the Philippines as their staging point for migrations as the central axis to both sides of the globe. And this occurs at the most 5,000 years ago.

But genetic studies done as published here... http://www.newstatesman.com/blogs/paul-rodgers/2008/05/sundaland-spread-taiwan are saying that a more earlier migrations than the linguist Bellwood's theory is proving that the reverse direction might be true, that more larger migrations occuring much earlier than 5,000 years ago from the Philippines onwards northwards radiating towards Taiwan, South China, to as far as Korea and Japan via the landbridge or by boat during the times of rising sea levels at the end of the last glacial period or Ice Age. Dr. Oppenheimer and the Paleontologist Solheim even dared to say that the Hindu civilization and the earliest western civilization, Sumer owe much of their civilizations from those migrants coming from Sundaland. Which accounts for certain similarities of rootwords between Sumerian, Sanskrit, and Austrics. Btw, Sumeria is acknowled by western scholars as the mother of other ancient civilizations like Ancient Egypt. While Ancient Greece and Rome owed their civilizations from the Ancient Egyptians. That's why the two scientists with their scholarly scientific validated evidence concluded that western civilization owe much of its civilization to this "Eden in the East", the place where the oldest and most Biodiverse biomass resided, where agriculture and domestication of animals started and where the highest concentration of Deluvial motiffs and myths are centered.
http://www.calacademy.org/research/izg/Tropical%20Diversity.jpg

See here Austric influence in India... http://www.geocities.com/pinatubo.geo/austric.htm
Austric relationship of Sumerian Language... http://asiapacificuniverse.com/pkm/sumer.htm
Austrics and Austronesians... http://asiapacificuniverse.com/pkm/austro.htm

Philippine isles together with the Malay or Indonesian archipelago were part of Sundaland aeons ago.

http://www.grahamhancock.com/images/underworld/Sundaland.gif
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/5/5f/Map_of_Sunda_and_Sahul.png

The Aetas, the Aborigines of Australia and the whole ancestors of Humanity were migrants from East Africa, based on the recent mitochondrial studies, passing from the Horn of Africa to the Gulf of Aden and finally to Sundaland and Australia. And from the sunking of the Sundaland (biblical Noah's flood? during the melting of the polar ice caps at the end of the pleistocene ice age) ten thousand years ago came the ancestors of the Austrics and some migrated to South Asia mixing with the natives there becoming the ancestors of the Indo-Aryans or Indo-Europeans, others going northwards to become the rice-cultivating settlers of South China onwards to the yayoi and jomon cultures of korea and japan. Notice that this is the reverse of the Out of China theory and the Aryan Invasion theory. The divergence phenotypically from the short stature kinky haired dark colored pygmies to a taller whiter skinned straight haired Austrics coming from a single gene pool occured in Sundaland...

THE EVE OF AFRICA: single origin of man and GENETIC studies
link... http://www.newstatesman.com/blogs/paul-rodgers/2008/05/sundaland-spread-taiwan

In the ancient Hindu scripture the Rigvedas stating that the Brahmin priest bringing with them their ancient wisdom came from the Southeastern seas from the Archipelagos during the cataclysym and thus, Aryan Invasion theory is false.

Would that mean, Hinduism could have started in Southeast Asia? The caste system or ethnic/tribal separations could have produced the variations of racial phenotypes as migrations continue northwards encountering different topographies.

The Out of China/Taiwan Theory is akin to the now debunked among the Indian philosophers and historians, the British sponsored "Aryan Invasion Theory" whom Hitler hailed as his bible. One of those against the Aryan Invasion Theory don't believed also the Out of Taiwan Theory...

Here is his review of the book Eden in the East...


http://koenraadelst.bharatvani.org/reviews/atlantis.html

An Atlantis in the Indian Ocean
(Review of Stephen Oppenheimer's Eden in the East)

by Koenraad Elst
----

The other perspective which came from a New Zealander Keith Rankin, also doesn't believe the Out of China/Taiwan Theory

orig article: http://pl.net/~keithr/rfc2001113OriginsEden.html

Please refer to that link as the orig article has lots of links, which could give you a better picture.

Here are some interesting highlights:

It is likely that, 12,000 years ago, the island peoples from the Philippines preyed on the agricultural wealth of Sundaland, much as the British (an opportunistic island people) preyed on the Spanish in the 16th century, and as nomadic 'voyaging' people generally preyed on the agricultural regions of Eurasia. The underlying culture that made the British Empire what it was, was one of piracy. Interestingly, the far-flung Austronesian colony of Madagascar became a notorious pirate haven in the 16th to 18th centuries AD.

quoting Shambhalista:
After thousands of years it has finally come to light. The secret fact that world civilization started in SEA but was drowned during the warming of the ice caps.

Her refugee children spreading high technology to the Middle East, the Americas, Europe & Africa. Sowing the beginnings of the world's classical civilizations.

And now history has come full circle.

The invasion of the Philippines by all the major cultures of the world was in preparation for the return to Atlantis.
And a gathering of her wayward children, Atlantis' descendants will gather once again in the ruins of their former home.
And build anew.

It has been foreseen and it shall come to pass.
For a united humanity & a nation that encompasses all stories, histories, cultures, eons and peoples.
Solheim's or Oppenheimer's make more sense, and give higher chronologies than the Bellwood's.

There must be major impulse for migrations of such magnitude to take place, so as to accelerate maritime technologies of the Proto Austronesians. Upheavals like the Noah's flood scenario, like the melting of the ice caps, or the end of the ice age, that will push, chronologies higher at or before 10,000 years ago and not the 5,200 years ago of the Out of Taiwan theory.

Why would the Polynesians of New Zealand or Hawaiians spoke of their legendary homeland as Hawaiiki or Javaiki with such great reverence as if they lost their homeland from a great catastrophe. Why would the Ancient Egyptians, Ancient Phoenicians, and the Ancient Sumerians(Proto-Semitic) spoke highly of their homelands, Punt(Poeni), Primordial Phoenicia, Dilmun or Edin, and regret the lost of their corresponding motherlands from such a great catastrophe, migrated by means of maritime vessel/s with the help of their corresponding deities.

quoting Pol Kekai...
Now back to the flooding of Sundaland. There were three major rapid rise floods -- the first one about 14,000 years ago, the second 11,500 years ago and the third about 8,500 years ago. Sea levels continued to rise gradually to peak levels about 5,500 years ago. Note that these floods were caused by rising sea levels and were not river or flash flooding caused by rain.

Depending on when one dates the split of the Austronesian language family either the Austronesians or their ancestors would have likely experienced all these floods. The events would have had quite an impact on societies that lived along the coastline -- the prevailing practice in Southeast Asia to this day.

The ancient Austronesians and their ancestors may have seen the rising levels as a struggle between the sea and land with the sea obviously winning.

The first and second of the floods probably had more of an impact on Austric rather than Austronesian speakers. The culture at this time was known as Hoabinhian from the site of Hoa Binh in Vietnam. These people used edge-ground blades which technically are Neolithic although usually classified as either Mesolithic or even Paleolithic.

The term "Neolithic" refers to stone tools that were ground or polished rather than simply crafted through the process called flaking.

The earliest edge-ground tools in the world are from Australia dated to about 20,000 BC and Solheim classifies them as Hoabinhian.

The dispersal of the Austric peoples led to one group, the Austro-Asiatics taking off to the north and to the west at least as far as India. In fact, they may have gone much further than India, but that's a whole different subject.

Now personally I believe that Wilhelm Solheim, the retired anthropology professor from the University of Hawai`i, has a very good chronology for the splitting and dispersal of the Austronesian languages.

Solheim believes that the Proto-Austronesians began to leave the coasts of Vietnam or possibly peninsular Malaysia somewhere between about 9000 and 8000 years ago. These people built shell mounds and we will call them the shell mound culture. They migrated southward through the Philippines into eastern Indonesia.

Possibly somewhere in the northern Philippines or along coastal Vietnam according to this model, Proto-Austronesian split into two branches with one moving northward toward Taiwan and the other southward. Oppenheimer thinks that around 8000-7000 years ago that major dispersions were taking place in insular SE Asia that could have resulted in very long-range migrations extending to Mesopotamia and Europe.

Indeed, around 6,600 BC there is evidence of a new cultural element at Spirit Cave on the Thailand-Burma border, and numerous coastal settlements spring up along mainland Southeast Asia. These would have been probably Proto-Malayo-Polynesian or Proto-Formosan peoples.

In the southern Philippines and eastern Indonesia, the Malayo-Polynesian branch began its own split sometime well before 5000 BC. These people began to make shell tools and used edge-grinding for both shell and stone tools. They began to move northward toward South China. Solheim calls them the Nusantao "the people of the islands."

Finally interesting finds by the Brazilian scientist, Aryseo Santos in here... http://atlan.org/
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  • albertus magnusalbertus magnus Los Indios Bravos PExer
    http://www.newstatesman.com/blogs/paul-rodgers/2008/05/sundaland-spread-taiwan
    Where do we come from? Paul Rodgers charts some of the latest work exploring the movement and development of humans based on DNA and the full mitochondrial genome

    Where do we come from? It’s an abiding question, and one that has been only partially answered by science. While little doubt remains that our species evolved in East Africa, details of its spread around the world are still obscure. And the further back we peer, the harder it is to get a clear picture.

    What evidence we have falls into three categories: physical remains, such as stone tools and cave paintings, can reveal the movement of technology and culture, but sometimes these spread not just as groups move, but between peoples. Linguistic studies, comparing modern languages to find their common roots, have the same problem. But genetics, looking at how minor mutations have spread through the world’s population, does not.

    One of the more intriguing suggestions in the past decade is that the initial spread of humans from Africa extended along the southern coastline of Eurasia, to what is now Southeast Asia, then a subcontinent called Sundaland that was twice the size of modern India, stretching from Burma to Borneo. The flooding of this fertile paradise as the last Ice Age ended forced these people to adapt to new lifestyles, flee to new lands, or become extinct.

    DNA research led by Leeds University’s Martin Richards, one of only two professors of archaeogenetics in the world, supports this idea, showing that the stone-age people on the southeastern shore of Sundaland expanded across the newly formed island chains 12,000 years ago.

    The new theory, published in the journal Molecular Biology and Evolution, is likely to draw bitter criticism from supporters of the old consensus, based on linguistics, that the area is populated today by descendants of a rice-growing people called the Austronesians who expanded from Taiwan just 4,000 years ago. “Some quite forceful archaeologists have been extremely reluctant to accept this,” says Professor Richards. “And I haven’t met a single linguist willing to give up the out-of-Taiwan argument.”

    The Austronesians supposedly supplanted the indigenous hunter-gatherers, who first arrived 50,000 years ago yet were considered so insignificant that they have not even been named.

    “That was a great mistake,” Professor Richards says. His team is the first to use the full mitochondrial genome rather than fragments, giving it a much more detailed picture of population movements in the distant past. Their results show that the biggest migration went not from Taiwan, but to it, and occurred much earlier.

    “The radical explanation is that the linguists are wrong and that these people spread out during the last episode of post-glacial expansion,” he said. The Austronesians may have been like the Normans, a small elite group that arrived later and took control of a larger, indigenous population, he
    suggests.

    Sundaland was the biggest area to be drowned as the glaciers started to retreat 19,000 years ago, raising sea levels by more than 100 metres. The second largest, Doggerland, now the southern North Sea, was submerged towards the end of the Ice Age, separating the British Isles from continental Europe.

    The people living in the southeast Asian subcontinent would have been particularly hard hit by three great sea level surges, 14,000, 11,500 and 7,600 years ago, believed to have been caused by catastrophic events as the ice sheets in North America and Antarctica retreated.

    Professor Richards argues that many populations will have been wiped out as their land disappeared beneath the waves.

    But one group could have been pre-adapted to the new environment, which had fewer inland plains and meandering riverbanks and twice as much coastline – the people of southeast Sundaland, who may have had a maritime culture linking them to the nearby Wallacean island group, named after the Victorian naturalist Alfred Russel Wallace, which includes New Guinea.

    What is certain is that, as sea levels rose, these people began to spread throughout the region, according to mitochondrial mutations, which are passed down from mother to child. A parallel study of stone-age tools by other members of the team supports the theory, showing the spread of a stone tool technology called “flake and blade” throughout the region.

    Professor Richards hopes to do further work on the Sundaland population, and is already working on a study of y chromosomes, which are only passed down through the male line. Marine archaeology could also shed more light on the drowned culture, though there are no immediate plans to begin looking beneath the shallow waters of the Sundaland Shelf.
  • Braveheart21Braveheart21 Member PExer
    That depends. People coming from the North and South.
  • cretinous00cretinous00 The sea! The sea! PExer
    i read an article about it long ago and it somewhat mirrored what your article says. that's why bible scholars (mainly vatican) are now re-interpreting a lot of scriptural evidences. one is INRI. most of them now agree that the true meaning of INRI is:




    Ilokos Norte Region I
  • visionarylinkvisionarylink Banned by Admin PExer
    This may seem preposterous at first glance, but I once read the Bagobo mythology of Davao and Mindanao who narrated that the various human race originated from the foothills of Mt. Apo :eek:. the strange thing is that they also prophesied that eventually these lost children will return back.

    Sounds ridiculous until one puts in the picture the ancient continent of Lemuria, that turned out more ancient than legendary Atlantis, and even older than biblical account.

    I also met an Indian historian from the net who revealed to me that in very ancient days, there once existed the most powerful lost continent in the planet, and from that continent the most powerful country was also located, and that ancient country once comprised the present location of modern day India, and the colonizer :rolleyes: named Philippines. Albertus, I was wondering if these have connection with the Maharloka that you mentioned,

    However with the cosmopolitan and diverse race in this country, from brown, yellow, white, black etc,, even including our colonizers, seem to fulfill the bagobo "prophecy" that these "lost children" will eventually return back.

    I predict Davao will play a major role in the coming future as the transition of power will transfer from the West, into the East, and when that time comes this futuristic nation should no longer be called from the, duh, colonial invader term "Filipinos" but rather the free and noble "Maharlikan".
  • Braveheart21Braveheart21 Member PExer
    The word "Visaya" comes from the Hindu King Sri Vishaya.

    http://www.vizvoyz.freeservers.com/custom.html
  • visionarylinkvisionarylink Banned by Admin PExer
    The word "Visaya" comes from the Hindu King Sri Vishaya.

    http://www.vizvoyz.freeservers.com/custom.html

    I had noticed inconsistencies from that link. the proposal that Visaya originated from Cebu may be erroneous because even the Cebuano dialect do not use the consonant "v." In fact it is more likely that the indigenous peoples of Mindanao have nearer connection because they have the consonant "v". An example is the word Davao that actually came from an indigenous term "davoh," meaning 'beyond the high grounds' as Davao was surrounded by hills.

    I also remembered my cousin many years ago who studied in Silliman and she said the school had actually done research and discovered how the word Visayas came from. It began with the ancient Ilonggos (contrary to what's written in that link) who in their rivalry with Cebuanos claimed themselves belonging to the Sri Vijayan empire, to which the latter opposed by connoting the word "bisaya" to anything inferior or of low quality. However, through the years it backfired on them and were eventually identified with it. Until recently, through the efforts of newer generation, the negative connotation on the word "bisaya" caused by the damage of olden errors are now being resolved, and the stigma dissipating.

    The theory from that link however, mentioning that the original visayans had remained animist could be accurate. this also connected with albertus magnus' research that ultimately played an important role in hiding the wealth of the fusion of both empires Sri-Vijayan and Majapahit in which their "anitos" did the task, which I believe may be somehow connected with ancient Lemurians.

    I also did personal research and the migration of the early settlers from the once mighty empires may be due to resistance from being subjected to Islam that had spread influence during that time, and the role of spice trade:

    http://maharlikan.blogspot.com/2009/10/pre-colonial-empires.html
  • retxedretxed Member PExer
    Please continue w/ the discussions, this is very informative indeed. Ever heard of the Surigao gold? There might be connection?
  • visionarylinkvisionarylink Banned by Admin PExer
    retxed wrote: »
    Please continue w/ the discussions, this is very informative indeed. Ever heard of the Surigao gold? There might be connection?

    Our pre-colonial nation was once known for unusual profusion of gold and jewelries identified with our ancestors. It may even be possible that the reference of Solomon's gold sources as biblically mentioned somewhere in the East might supposed to be pointing to that area, particularly in Butuan. Even ancient Greek and Chinese historians as well mentioned of a place directed to our area famous for abundance of gold.
  • retxedretxed Member PExer
    Our pre-colonial nation was once known for unusual profusion of gold and jewelries identified with our ancestors. It may even be possible that supposedly the reference of Solomon's gold sources as biblically mentioned somewhere in the East might possibly be pointing to that area, particularly in Butuan. Even ancient Greek and Chinese historians as well mentioned of a place directed to our area famous for abundance of gold.

    so you were suggesting that, should these colonizers did not find out about the Philippines, we would have been 1 of the greatest nations on earth? actually, that's not a bad idea after all. problem is, we contradict each other so much. Does crab mentality ring a bell? galing ng pinoy eh. I'll try to find the email I received stating "a world w/o the Filipinos". biglang yaman pala un nakakita ng surigao treasure. More links please, nice to read.
  • albertus magnusalbertus magnus Los Indios Bravos PExer
    This may seem preposterous at first glance, but I once read the Bagobo mythology of Davao and Mindanao who narrated that the various human race originated from the foothills of Mt. Apo :eek:. the strange thing is that they also prophesied that eventually these lost children will return back.

    Sounds ridiculous until one puts in the picture the ancient continent of Lemuria, that turned out more ancient than legendary Atlantis, and even older than biblical account.

    I also met an Indian historian from the net who revealed to me that in very ancient days, there once existed the most powerful lost continent in the planet, and from that continent the most powerful country was also located, and that ancient country once comprised the present location of modern day India, and the colonizer :rolleyes: named Philippines. Albertus, I was wondering if these have connection with the Maharloka that you mentioned,

    However with the cosmopolitan and diverse race in this country, from brown, yellow, white, black etc,, even including our colonizers, seem to fulfill the bagobo "prophecy" that these "lost children" will eventually return back.

    I predict Davao will play a major role in the coming future as the transition of power will transfer from the West, into the East, and when that time comes this futuristic nation should no longer be called from the, duh, colonial invader term "Filipinos" but rather the free and noble "Maharlikan".
    Other visionaries like yourself have prophesied or have similar mystic revelations. Will provide links later on.

    You and I can create various threads about our prehispanic past. So that future Maharlikans will awaken from their slumber and reclaim their lost identity and birthright of the riches and the wisdom of our ancestors.


    @retxed: I will be providing more links on similar discussions or threads or threads that will be created like the ideas of various historians like Colin and fray gaspar agustin claiming the Indios were descendants of Tarshish and Ophir, Sri Visayas, Maharloka, Mu, Sanfotsi, Zabag, Lucoes, Kingdom of Tondo, Princess Urduja, etc

    Ok, nevertheless here are some preliminary links... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2DIwuvg_VnU&feature=related
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mYSr2k4buqU
    http://www.geocities.com/Tokyo/Temple/9845/zany.htm
    http://asiapacificuniverse.com/pkm/spiceroutes.htm
    http://sambali.blogspot.com/2005/02/voyage-to-cipangu.html
    http://sambali.blogspot.com/2005/12/glossary-lusung.html
  • albertus magnusalbertus magnus Los Indios Bravos PExer
    That depends. People coming from the North and South.

    Perhaps, a Unified Theory to embrace both theories. :)
    seriously, that could be possible since they occur in different time frame, it's just a matter of reconciling.

    But for now, genetic studies seem to favor that Out of Sundaland theory which is consistent with the...
    THE EVE OF AFRICA: single origin of man
    link... http://www.newstatesman.com/blogs/paul-rod...d-spread-taiwan
    The new theory, published in the journal Molecular Biology and Evolution, is likely to draw bitter criticism from supporters of the old consensus, based on linguistics, that the area is populated today by descendants of a rice-growing people called the Austronesians who expanded from Taiwan just 4,000 years ago. “Some quite forceful archaeologists have been extremely reluctant to accept this,” says Professor Richards. “And I haven’t met a single linguist willing to give up the out-of-Taiwan argument.”

    The Austronesians supposedly supplanted the indigenous hunter-gatherers, who first arrived 50,000 years ago yet were considered so insignificant that they have not even been named.

    “That was a great mistake,” Professor Richards says. His team is the first to use the full mitochondrial genome rather than fragments, giving it a much more detailed picture of population movements in the distant past. Their results show that the biggest migration went not from Taiwan, but to it, and occurred much earlier.

    There must be major impulse for migrations of such magnitude to take place, so as to accelerate maritime technologies of the Proto Austronesians. Upheavals like the Noah's flood scenario, like the melting of the ice caps, or the end of the ice age, that will push, chronologies higher at or before 10,000 years ago and not just the 5,200 years ago of the Out of Taiwan theory.

    But in fairness to the Out of Taiwan theory, a similar rising sea level might have occured on that time frame of 5,200 years ago. Perhaps this would reconcile the two theories, where migrations happened on a series of waves coinciding with the gradual rising of sealevels. As my memory serves me right, that the last rising of sealevel occured just about at that time period of Out of Taiwan theory which is 5,200 years ago.

    And you are probably right, that migrations happened on both directions. As these two theories can easily be reconciled.

    But since the one with a higher chronologies could supplant the one with the lower, we are safe to assume that Taiwan is not the homeland of the Malayo-Polynesians. Now, both recognize the central role of the Philippines isles in the migration patterns, perhaps, Bellwood could change the arbitrary origin with a new central locus and make corrections on where the homeland of the Austronesians is. And visionarylink as well as other mystics are right after all. :)
  • retxedretxed Member PExer
    thank you...am waiting!
  • albertus magnusalbertus magnus Los Indios Bravos PExer
    Now, I will veer away from the Anthropological, Genetic, Linguistic, Cultural Studies and any other western concept of Scientific reasoning and validations, or of Left-brain predominant analyses or other Orthodox Academic exercises into the Realms of Intuitive, Right brained channeled messages or mystical revelations of the various visionaries or mystic yogis.

    Original sources:
    http://my.opera.com/sambhala/blog/2007/0http://erleargonza.blogspot.com/2008/11/philippine-patriotism-rumblings-of.html6/30/lemuria-philippin
    http://www.soulcast.com/post/show/136524/PHILIPPINES-FROM-A-COSMIC-VIEWPOINT:-STARGATE,-MAHARLOKA,-PLANETARY-CHI
    http://atlan.org/articles/navajos/


    Maharloka is supposed to be the Olden name for the Isles we now know as the Philippines. And this is not conspiracy stuff, but mystical revelations well known among various mystical circles, esoteric lodges in the country.

    Maharloka(Philippine isles) was one of the 7 Subcontinents of Mu, or Motherland. The 7 Blessed isles of Mu is alluded in the myth of the Seven Golden Cities of Cibola and with the legend of the Eldorado.
    And these are the same as the Seven Islands of the Blest, which are no other than the sunken Eden of the Judeo-Christians. The name of the Golden Cities of Cibola very obviously came from the Dravida civ-pola, meaning "golden city" or, yet, "city of the reds". It is interesting to note that "Reds" or "Golden" are usual epithets of the Atlanteans. Adam too was a "Red", that is, a Chamite, as his name (means "red") unequivocally indicates.

    In fact, the number 7 alludes to the seven great islands of Indonesia: Java, Sumatra, Borneo, Celebes, Philippines, New Guinea and the Malay Peninsula, which the ancients counted as an island.
    The symbol of MU is the eight rays radiating from a circle. It may also be seen as a blooming flower. At a distance this blooming flower or lotus can be mistaken as a wheel.
    It's no coincidence that in our national flag, we have the eight rayed sun.
    Karma-yoga is the perfected yoga in Maharloka. It is understandable that Filipinos are at home with rituals and ceremonies. This collective consciousness explains why Filipinos have so many deities to appease.

    In a way, Maharloka is a land of devotees. The generating center is from the chest to the neck. This also explains why Maharloka is a land of warriors. And when there is Warriorship it goes hand in hand with Kingship. And Maharloka is time immemorial as the most powerful among the 7 subcontinents.

    And the mystics all concur, that Maharloka will soon as before the next powerhouse(New Jerusalem) in the coming Golden Age.



    http://my.opera.com/sambhala/blog/2007/06/...muria-philippin
    The Philippines is a subcontinent of MU or LeMUria. It is known as Maharloka (Great Land). Maharloka is one of the seven subcontinents that MU protected.

    The seven subcontinents protected by MU are: Tapaloka, Janaloka, Maharloka, Atalaloka, Vitalaloka, Sutalaloka, and Talatalaloka.

    The MU of LeMUria means mother: the power to nurture strength. The symbol is a square, sometimes an oblong, and that looks like an open mouth of a babe ready to suckle. Later, this symbol turned into a Cross or an Svastika.

    The other symbol of MU is the EIGHT RAYS RADIATING FROM A CIRCLE. It may also be seen as a blooming flower. At a distance this blooming flower or lotus can be mistaken as a wheel.

    The seven subcontinents protected by MU are: Tapaloka, Janaloka, Maharloka, Atalaloka, Vitalaloka, Sutalaloka, and Talatalaloka.

    I chanced upon this article and talks about the 7 main island groups of Southeast Asia as comprising the Sunken Sunda Continent which an expert like this Brazilian Prof. Arysio Santos said was the ancient Lemuria that sunked aeons ago.

    http://atlan.org/articles/navajos/
    Moreover, the number seven attached to the cities of Cibola is also the one of the Isles of the Blest and similar sunken realms of the ancients. In fact, the number alludes to the seven great islands of Indonesia: Java, Sumatra, Borneo, Celebes, Philippines, New Guinea and the Malay Peninsula, which the ancients counted as an island.

    We recall that the fundamental rule of the science of symbolism is that a symbol or a convention cannot be invoked to explain the origin of another symbol, for this just transfers the problem. So, the sacredness of the number seven — the holiest number of the Hindus — can only derive from their seven Dvipas or Paradises, that is, from precisely the above islands. Can you think of another sacred seven that is not purely conventional in origin?

    The Spaniards mistook the Americas — which they later called West Indies — for the East Indies, which they knew to be the site of Paradise and, hence, of the fabled Seven Golden Cities of Cibola. Cibola, "the Golden City", is just one of the many names of Lemurian Atlantis. The name of "Seven Golden Cities" or "Seven Golden Islands" was applied by the ancients to the Indonesian islands, and to no other place. [LINK: My article (to choose) on Mythical Islands of the Atlantic, etc.]This name is indeed a translation of the Sanskrit Suvarna-dvipa, which gave the Greek Chryse Chersonesos and the Latin Aurea Chersonesus, all meaning the same thing as "Golden City" or "Golden Island".
    PHILIPPINES FROM A COSMIC VIEWPOINT: STARGATE, MAHARLOKA, PLANETARY CHI

    It is still politically hot in PI (Philippine Islands) as I write this piece. I like this libertarian spirit of the people, the middle class in particular, who choose to right some wrongs via a civil way (senate investigations, mass actions) rather than take up arms. This is a sign that the modern islanders, dubbed Filipino by the late patriot Dr. Jose Rizal, are of a newer breed compared to their warlike ancient pedigree.



    While the islanders are busy massing up for larger political storms, another cabal which we shall simply dub as Fallen Ones are making sure that the Philippines must never rise as a wealthy and globally powerful nation. For many centuries now they have been working behind the shadows to make sure that they’d be able to fragment Southeast Asia and control the Philippines and its people in particular.



    The oligarchic Anglo-Saxons (British, Americans) who play the lead-role of storm troopers for the wars of the Fallen Ones, make sure that the Philippines will remain weak and secondary a force in global affairs. The American elites in particular fear the Philippines, fear a sphinx-like rise of the Filipinos to wealth and fame. And the few who sharply observe this Saxon (to shorten Anglo-Saxon) feelings about Filipinos or Pinoys are baffled by the American elite’s paranoia and bellicose attitudes.



    More than a century ago, mystics from the West, India and Tibet released to the world a humungous amount of knowledge about the planet’s evolution, and that of humanity’s. Theosophists, led by HP Blavatsky (see Secret Doctrine), became the lead documentors and messengers for the revelators (spiritual masters). Those documents are immensely significant, because they revealed for the first time the true history of the planet and the Earthans or Terrans (Earth’s humans).



    Among the revelations heralded was that the Philippines is a remnant of a subcontinent of the ancient continent of Mu or Lemuria. That subcontinental was then called Maharloka or Great Land. The term came down later in another version as Maharlika, which had since denoted nobility. Lemurian culture was the greatest civilization ever built on Earth, and maybe the only ones that can match it are those ones that are yet to come (called 6th and 7th Root races by Blavatsky).



    Another revelation was that the Maharlokans (Pinoys being the descendants) were the very center of the world civilization at that time (tens of thousands of years back). The most powerful kingships of Mu were in Maharloka, in much parallel way today when the most powerful polities are the Caucasians’ (Saxons, Russians, Europeans). Such kingships were necessarily the center of warriorship, the ancient Maharlokans being the most feared in terms of warfare. Warriorship and offensive war acumen is therefore in the blood (genes) of the Pinoys of today, and there would be instances when such traits, long dormant in the collective subconscious, will waken up (e.g Phil. Revolution, 1896-1900).



    An equally important phenomenon that shouldn’t be brushed aside is the presence (per revelation from Filipino mystics) in the astral-etheric belt above Palawan, of the stargate. This gate is the hyperspace doorway to and from the other galaxies: passage through it can short-cut the way to other galaxies, and likewise short-cut the travel from those galaxies to Earth.



    Linking up the two phenomena is now quite an easy task. Being seeded by cross-galactic beings in ancient times (e.g. Orions, Lyrans, Pleadeans, Draconians, Andromedans, Sirians, Vegans), it is but logical that the stargate area is the location where the greatest civilization, in both antiquity and the future, will flourish.



    Per my own knowledge of earlier revelations (see theosophy, Himalayan notes) and those of the present (see Sal Rachele’s contributions), the stargate was decidedly closed by those cross-galactic intelligences or CGIs upon their retreat later. Since then, it was difficult for CGIs to come to Earth as hyper-space travel was delimited by the stargate’s closure. Longer ways have to be traversed, whether by space or hyper-space travel modalities.



    However, past the midway of a 555-million year period (that midpoint was in 1934) in human evolution, as humanity began to move upward in the ascending arc of its evolution, the Earth had also begun to evolve and has since been increasing its vibratory frequency. This upward evolution of Earth is now opening up the stargate naturally, and sooner enough the CGIs will be coming around with ease.



    Suffice me now to say that the Fallen Ones, the elite builders of the evil New World Order or NWO, dread the coming of some CGIs whatever those beings are. For how could you explain such a paranoid dread, that they now go to the extent of fast-tracking the NASA, Russian and European space programs to be able to escape from Earth at any moment in the near future? They dread the CGIs, maybe the top-gun CGIs both from the ‘Light’ (Galactic Federation) and the ‘Dark’ (Orion-Reptoid Alliance) sides.



    Let me now stress another equally important phenomenon: the Planetary Chi’s positioning in PI during the Aquarian Age. As I explained in my book 13th Gate Unveiled, every time that the Solar system is situated within a constellation’s force-field, for a period approximately 2,166 years long, the chief energy vortex or Planetary Chi will be located in a specific spot among the Earth’s 70 or so major energy spots or centers. Of those 70 energy spots, around 7 to 12 are the chief ones, Mt. Banahaw in PI being one of them.



    Whenever the solar system transfers from one constellation alignment to another, the Planetary Chi also transfers to another major energy spot. There it will remain for 2000+ years. And where that energy vortex stays, civilization will rise like the sphinx as evolved souls will mass up in the area to hasten techno-economic, cultural and political development. Chances are that polities in the area will rise to world power prominence while the Planetary Chi is located there.



    In 1994, when this mystic was initiated into the cosmic order of Light Worker mystics’ lodge here in PI, the news came to my ears that the Planetary Chi will transfer to Mt. Banahaw from Glastonbury (England) during the Aquarian Age. And no less than couples of Tibetan masters came here in a rush to find out what makes PI so special today, and perhaps noted the immense potentials of the Pinoys to rise to power during Aquarius. They also helped local mystics prepare for the coming events ahead.



    So that information explains why the Saxons and Continental Europeans from France to as far as Russia woke up for 2000 years. From ‘barbarians’ those tribes were catapulted to world power prominence in all human fields, and among them all the Saxons (British, Americans, Canadians, Australians, New Zealanders) were to benefit the most from the awakening induced by the beneficial powers of the Planetary Chi during the Age of Pisces (from Jesus’ time to around 2004).



    And such is the same reason now why the Saxon elites, led by Fallen Ones, fear the decline of the West as the Chi has transferred to PI. That the Pinoys or Maharlikans will rise to world power status in the future is no longer a myth nor ancient legend of foregone Lemuria but is an unfolding fact of life.



    Now, couple that rise to power of the Maharlikans (and Asians in general) with the opening up of the stargate, and you can see in the near future the arrival of CGIs right in PI’s backyard to concur agreements, diffuse technologies and philosophies, and fast-track Maharlikans’/Majapahitans’ (Southeast Asians’) meteoric rise to space-age power and cross-galactic travel capabilities.



    The question we ask now is: what CGIs did the Fallen Ones (elites) concur treaties with if ever? Why are they so scared of some reprisals from some CGIs? Why are they so desperate in controlling PI and its people? Do they desire to control the stargate eventually, so as to block all CGIs from coming here, so that they alone—Earthan global elites—can own the planet and do everything at their disposal? Or do they intend to block only the Galactic Federation that had in fact pre-positioned itself in the Solar system and nearby star systems for nigh 3000 years or so already? What armaments with such devastating firepower can they use at any rate against those CGIs?



    Let me remind those Saxon-Western elites led by the Fallen Ones that their attempts for global domination is futile. They cannot escape this planet as the Federation forces are up there guarding the solar system. They cannot use nuclear devises to destroy the planet, as the same Federation will come down from hyperspace to destroy the same devises.



    It’s not too late yet for the Fallen Ones to choose Oneness, choose the path of cooperation and dialogues of civilizations, and share the Planet with all the souls herein residing. And they should stop those futile efforts to exterminate or neutralize the Light Workers, notably the mystics who they hold with such fear and contempt. Dead mystics of Light are soon replaced by new ones, remember.



    And they should accept that the time of the ‘decline of the West’ and the rise of Asia has come. Among all Asians are especially the Maharlikans whose zeneath of power will be seen around the years 2700-3300 (peak period of the Aquarian Age). And, yes, they better accept the destiny of Maharlika, show kindness and friendliness to our people. For being bellicose at all times to Pinoys now may cause them devastating backfire in the future as the more war-like, space-age savvy Maharlikans will make no qualms in leveling off niches of the bellicose Fallen Ones and their elite subalterns.



    If they now think of destroying PI with the latest Tesla Earthquake Inducer, it’s too late a thing for this evil act. Pinoys have been scattered all over the globe, precisely as a Plan B by the cosmic hierarchy in case that the islands will be destroyed by geological cataclysm or by WMD (weapons of mass destruction). Pinoy nations will be rising in other continents in the future, as the Filipino race is programmed to be the 6th sub-Race of the coming 6th Root Race of more advanced human prototypes.



    In conclusion, one should look at the conflicts now taking place in RP as machinations of the Fallen Ones. The conflicts are ‘organized chaos’ cover-ups for the true events happening behind the scene. They fear RP, the Maharlikans, the CGIs who will team up with future Maharlikans, and their efforts to destroy us here are futile. “It’s the Cosmic Plan, stupid!” would be an apt campaign line against the Fallen Ones. They have no way out here, and they better choose Oneness or perish in the future worlds coming.
    PHILIPPINE PATRIOTISM: RUMBLINGS OF LEMURIAN AWAKENING


    On the 30th of November, this republic will again celebrate National Heroes’ Day, to commemorate the patriotic heroism of the late Andres Bonifacio, leader of the Philippine Revolution (1896). Like his fellow patriots Dr. Jose Rizal and Apolinario Mabini, Bonifacio became the Bearer of the Torch of Liberty, a sublime energizing ‘torch’ from the 7th Dimension (Plane) inspired by a Deity of that namesake, Liberty.

    The significance of this sublime Torch (to shorten it) is unknown to the hordes of somnambulists that now populate the islands and the entire Terra, a fact known only to very few wakened souls on the planet, both on the Light and Dark sides of the ‘Force’ (spiritual force). And even among the wakened ones, few know the significance of the Torch’s descent on the erstwhile “small-time” archipelago, for such a descent—and its consequent incineration of the dark veils of the Collective Unconscious—is of epochal import to humanity and the Spiritual Hierarchy.

    The Philippines was carved out of the fragmenting Empire of Majapahit by a maritime power of Iberia, the Kingdom of Spain. No such unified entity as Philippines existed before, save that the totality of principalities governing the area were subdued one by one, and then declared as one single colony for efficient governance. Had the Spaniards just done their deeper research, an enterprise that they didn’t possess than, they could have discovered that the islands were in fact a part of a larger entity—the Empire of the Malays—that was then the wealthiest ever known by the world till these days.

    The Empire, which covered a territory that was more or less as large as today’s ASEAN (Association of Southeast Asian Nation), was peopled by a seafaring race, of diverse ethnicities but united by the Emperor and his Princely scions who governed the various potentates. The Malay peoples were genetically bred thousands of years back, simultaneously with the appearance of the Aryans, from among a group of dark-skinned Lemurians, the result of which was a pedigree of lighter bronze-brown hue that looked like golden bronze in magnificent beauty when lit by the daylight of the Sun. As to ‘who’ bred the Malays, few surely know even among the wakened ones, but this much I can say: they were the same ‘off-planet’ force that bred the Aryans (Keltics being the first result) from out of their own gene pool mixed with existing races then (Aryans bred from Red-skinned Atlanteans).

    As sturdy and smart as their Aryan counterparts, the Malays survived the catastrophic phenomena that followed the end of the last glacial period, catastrophes that submerged the original subcontinental island of Maharloka (‘great land’) that they originally inhabited, a vast land over four (4) times larger than today’s island southeast Asia. Maharloka was the center of a world empire or civilization of Mu, the greatest and wealthiest civilization ever on Earth, exceeded by the other entity Atlantis only in technological prowess and sordid evil. Upon Maharloka’s sinking, so did that Flame of Civility of the entire Earth sink with it, bringing down likewise the vast treasures of precious minerals (gold most specially) accumulated by the Great Empire.

    It was Maharloka, whose very center of governance, commerce and spirituality was the area we now call Philippines, that bore the Torch all along, and this fact enabled a Great Balance in the Planet against the Dark Lords of Atlantis. Maharloka’s people were largely a Warrior race, assigned by the Spiritual Hierarchy of Terra that sublime role, for two (2) reasons: (a) it had to guard the spiritual treasures (‘jewels’ of ‘ancient wisdom’) that guided all human philosophic, scientific, and esthetic precepts, and (b) it is the site, till these days, of the hyper-space gateway Portal to the galaxies and constellations beyond our Solar system. And so from this Great Land also came the Kingly Class that was to govern large parts of Terra.

    When the Majapahit Emperor and scions arrived on the historic canvass, it was hopefully the first attempt at wakening the mighty, gigantic ‘spiritual force’ of the entire planet. Centered first in today’s Indonesia, the principalities in no time at all experienced awakenings in maritime technology, metallurgy, and alchemy, or those enterprises long dormant in the collective mind but which has always been present among humans. Enlightened souls then embodied among the princes and their families, new institutions began to flourish, High Culture of the Malays galvanized in no time at all, and then wealth multiplied in such paces unequalled today even by such much ballyhooed economic miracles as China’s.

    The Evolved Souls in the Empire knew what their objective was: (a) to unite the entire Malays and friendly races under the aegis of one Great Civilization, and (b) to secure the Philippines which they knew was the bearer of the Torch not only for new Maharloka but for the entire humanity. If the 2nd goal can be well executed, humanity’s march to the New Age of Light (satya yuga) can be done more smoothly, even as the entire Southeast Asia’s might and spiritual power will be secured for many ages to come. But such a vision wasn’t to be fulfilled.

    Among the prinzeps of the Emperor’s very own home embodied those same troublesome souls that were responsible for internecine wars in the planet and evil experiments that accelerated the rise of sea waters and ended the Ice Age.
    Conflicts among the princes emerged for many decades that fragmented the Empire, till the Western powers arrived in the area to carve out their own respective jurisdictional boundaries in a vast region. The noble mission of an early awakening of the dormant ‘spiritual force’, through a noble descent of the Torch, thus ended in mighty ‘fire and brimstone’ of Europeans’ canons.

    When all the principalities have gone a-sleeping, when all hope seemed to have faded, outbursts of rebellions echoed across the Spanish crown’s colony. No, the Indios (Hispanic pejorative term for the islanders) never fully surrendered, natural warriorship embedded in the genes was always there to ignite the fires of rebellions, till eventually crescendos of rebellions were heard like loud classical marches all over the islands c. 19th century. Then arrived those Evolved souls—Rizal, Mabini, Bonifacio and those they led as a huge Team of heroes—designated by Hierarchy to lay the grounds for a future, kingly nation. Such a nation, which bears the name of an Emperor, Philip II of Spain, would be the inheritor of the Majapahit Empire, and will lead the way for others to ignite each of their flames of Liberty.

    The making of the Philippines hasn’t been completed yet, for being the inheritor of the Majapahit, and likewise the center of Maharloka, it must emerge to wield the ‘sticks’ and ‘treasures’ of Hierarchy (wisdom) and the Elements (gold, wealth). But the patriots’ carrying of the Torch continues till these days, thanks to the most ennobled virtues of the Triad of the Torch—Bonifacio, Mabini, Rizal. For as long as the patriots will bear the sacrifices and burdens of the Torch, a burden so huge as it is intended for the entire humanity as a whole, ‘cosmic magic’ they shall wield, until the Great Land will arise again in the future.

    Already, unseen hands have been moving from Above to ensure that sons and daughters of the late Majapahit Emperor will become presidents of the Philippines. From the House of Marikudo came the scion Manuel Roxas; from the House of Soliman—Emilio Aguinaldo, Manuel Quezon, Jose Laurel and Joseph Estrada; from the House of Lacandola–Diosdado Macapagal and his daughter Gloria Arroyo; from the Prince of Moluccas, Fidel Valdes Ramos; and, from the Ilocandia principality, Ferdinand Marcos. I have no doubt that the next president-elect will be another one of Majapahit descent, to fulfill His task in preparing the islands for its future role no matter if He is as sleep-walking as the great hordes of islanders.

    Finally, today, great events have happened that ensures the readiness of the Philippines to be once again the nexus of global prosperity and spiritual governance in the epoch now unfolding: (a) the recent transfer of the Planetary Chi from Glastonbury in England to Mt Banahaw in Southern Luzon (Phils), and (b) the opening of the hyperspace stargate portal above the Sunda template of Palawan (I witnessed the opening of the portal during two separate meditation visions early this year, 2008).

    Let there be no mistake: no one force can ever stamp out Philippine patriotism, no matter how rambunctious and chaotic this could be during certain junctures. For this patriotism is an energy-downloader of the Torch, and performs its role for the greater cause of igniting the ‘spiritual force’ of the entire Planet Terra. The time for the full awakening of such planetary force is near, and key to its awakening is the awakening of the Philippines’ subsidiary ‘spiritual force’ (signified by a friendly Dragon).

    Hail Philippine patriotism! Hail Gat Andres Bonifacio and our beloved libertarian patriots! Hail the Majapahit Emperor and His Enlightened Scions! Glory be to the rising Maharloka, Lemuria finally cometh!
  • visionarylinkvisionarylink Banned by Admin PExer
    albertus, the insights you have been sharing are very informative, thanks.

    do keep it up, I'm also presently doing some personal research regarding these.

    Here's a map, one among other versions, of Lemuria I found on the net; it clearly showed our country being once part of this legendary lost continent:

    lemuria.jpg
  • visionarylinkvisionarylink Banned by Admin PExer
    retxed wrote: »
    so you were suggesting that, should these colonizers did not find out about the Philippines, we would have been 1 of the greatest nations on earth? actually, that's not a bad idea after all. problem is, we contradict each other so much. Does crab mentality ring a bell? galing ng pinoy eh. I'll try to find the email I received stating "a world w/o the Filipinos". biglang yaman pala un nakakita ng surigao treasure. More links please, nice to read.

    I believe it is the destiny of this nation to be cosmopolitan in outlook, incorporating influences from various races and nations, colonizers included. As people we seem more comfortable with foreigners to compare with other Asian societies. It seems innately inherent.

    It may seem strange but there was a Bagobo myth that fantasticaly narrated that people of various races whether white, brown, black etc. even originated from our place (particularly in Mt. Apo area) until some calamity forced them to spread far and wide in the corners of the planet. But if we incorporate the legendary lost continent of Lemuria, it may actually not be impossible. The intriguing thing is that it also prophesied that in the future these peoples will once again congregate and return, which actually seemed to be happening nowadays.

    I tend to compare that people in this country seemed likened to similarly charged polarity, like positive repelling positive that may be the dilemma behind the "crab mentality" thing. It seemed necessary that people from other races with differing polarity be fused to define the complex identity of this nation and its people.

    The individual who discovered the Surigao treasure did not seem to be the usual greedy bloke, he actually helped his fellows but he was taken advantaged instead. Siguro masasabi na para bang na-"pili" siya sa parteng kanyang ginampanan, and this country, courtesy of the efforts of Ayala museum, is starting to benefit the profound legacy of his discovery.
  • retxedretxed Member PExer
    I believe it is the destiny of this nation to be cosmopolitan in outlook, incorporating influences from various races and nations, colonizers included. As people we seem more comfortable with foreigners to compare with other Asian societies. It seems innately inherent.

    It may seem strange but there was a Bagobo myth that fantasticaly narrated that people of various races whether white, brown, black etc. even originated from our place (particularly in Mt. Apo area) until some calamity forced them to spread far and wide in the corners of the planet. But if we incorporate the legendary lost continent of Lemuria, it may actually not be impossible. The intriguing thing is that it also prophesied that in the future these peoples will once again congregate and return, which actually seemed to be happening nowadays.

    I tend to compare that people in this country seemed likened to similarly charged polarity, like positive repelling positive that may be the dilemma behind the "crab mentality" thing. It seemed necessary that people from other races with differing polarity be fused to define the complex identity of this nation and its people.

    The individual who discovered the Surigao treasure did not seem to be the usual greedy bloke, he actually helped his fellows but he was taken advantaged instead. Siguro masasabi na para bang na-"pili" siya sa parteng kanyang ginampanan, and this country, courtesy of the efforts of Ayala museum, is starting to benefit the profound legacy of his discovery.



    Mt. Apo is in Davao, di ba? is this what Apolonio Quibiloy is bragging about? that the new jerusalam is in his hometown?
  • very interesting. great thread.
  • Zorro_LegendZorro_Legend Member PExer
    Though I am a historian by heart, my minor is in Anthropology and I have some training in archaeology. How did I miss this thread?! :depressed:

    Wilhelm Solheim, the proponent of the Nusantao Theory I still see in UP on a regular basis. He is ooooold. I asked my teacher back then, who is one of the leading anthropologist in the country, about which theory he believes is correct. He told me that the Out-of-Taiwan theory was more generally accepted by academics.

    Indeed, it is more logical that the Austronesians went south towards what we know now as Taiwan through land-bridges and spread from there. However, this does not stop here. At some point in their southwards migration, they turned back, maybe somewhere in Indonesia, then went to Malaysia, going northward again. :). Bellwood has a strong case through linguistic studies. The general assumption is that when a place has an older language, it was peopled first.

    The peopling of Southeast Asia is one of the first things you'll learn in Anthropology. Solheim believes that the first migrants did not come from the north, but from the south, somewhere in the area of the Celebes sea. He believes that instead of land-bridges, the early migrants used boats similar to the balangay dug up in Mindanao. According to him, this explains why the Austronesians, as evident in the Austronesian language family, covering as far as Madagascar to the west, and the Easter Islands to the east, were able to people such as vast territory.

    It's still an ongoing debate, However, I just need to clarify that the Taiwan theory is more academically accepted.

    I recited the above through memory, so there might be inaccuracies, but I hope it helps.

    There are also other variants, such as the Philippinesean theory by Professor Emeritus F Landa Jocano. The historian Zeus Salazar also has a variant explanation. I know I sound so bookish, but its my training, and unless there is a hard solid evidence otherwise, a concensus on a theory remains the same.
  • Zorro_LegendZorro_Legend Member PExer
    Whenever I see Wilhelm Solheim, I always get the urge to ask him about the Nusantao Theory. However, he looks old and frail he even needs support to just walk that I'm afraid to approach.

    In one subject we were asked as anthropology students which theory we believed. I chose the Out of Taiwan theory, maybe because I had more units in Linguistic Anthro than physical anthro or archaeology...:lol:..I tend to agree with most of Peter Bellwood's conclusion.
  • visionarylinkvisionarylink Banned by Admin PExer
    retxed wrote: »
    Mt. Apo is in Davao, di ba? is this what Apolonio Quibiloy is bragging about? that the new jerusalam is in his hometown?

    Mt. Apo is the country's highest peak, and a portion of it is part of Davao City. Dunno much about Quiboloy, him having his own views.

    The myth existed from ancient Bagobo narrative even before Davao came to be.

    Davao is also my hometown.

    Here's a narrative about the Bagobo creation myth, intriguingly narrating that all tribes in the world originated from them:

    Origin
    Bagobo (Mindanao)


    In the beginning there lived one man and one woman, Toglai and Toglibon. Their first children were a boy and a girl. When they were old enough, the boy and the girl went far away across the waters seeking a good place to live in. Nothing more was heard of them until their children, the Spaniards and Americans, came back. After the first boy and girl left, other children were born to the couple; but they all remained at Cibolan on Mount Apo with their parents, until Toglai and Toglibon died and became spirits. Soon after that there came a great drought which lasted for three years. All the waters dried up, so that there were no rivers, and no plants could live.

    "Surely," said the people, "Manama is punishing us, and we must go elsewhere to find food and a place to dwell in."

    So they started out. Two went in the direction of the sunset, carrying with them stones from Cibolan River. After a long journey they reached a place where were broad fields of cogon grass and an abundance of water, and there they made their home. Their children still live in that place and are called Magindanau, because of the stones which the couple carried when they left Cibolan.

    Two children of Toglai and Toglibon went to the south, seeking a home, and they carried with them women's baskets (baraan). When they found a good spot, they settled down. Their descendants, still dwelling at that place, are called Baraan or Bilaan, because of the women's baskets.

    So two by two the children of the first couple left the land of their birth. In the place where each settled a new people developed, and thus it came about that all the tribes in the world received their names from things that the people carried out of Cibolan, or from the places where they settled.

    All the children left Mount Apo save two (a boy and a girl), whom hunger and thirst had made too weak to travel. One day when they were about to die the boy crawled out to the field to see if there was one living thing, and to his surprise he found a stalk of sugarcane growing lustily. He eagerly cut it, and enough water came out to refresh him and his sister until the rains came. Because of this, their children are called Bagobo.


    http://www.pitt.edu/~dash/creation-phil.html#origin
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