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The PROTESTANT INQUISITION - People who live in glass houses should not throw stones

ElCidElCid Roman Catholic PEx Influencer ⭐⭐⭐
"It is unquestionable . . . that the champions of Protestantism - Luther, Calvin, Beza, Knox, Cranmer and Ridley - advocated the right of the civil authorities to punish the `crime' of heresy . . . Rousseau says truly:

"`The Reformation was intolerant from its cradle, and its authors were universal persecutors' . . .

Auguste Comte also writes:

"`The intolerance of Protestantism was certainly not less tyrannical than that with which Catholicism is so much reproached.' (Philosophie Positive, vol.4, p.51).

"What makes, however, Protestant persecutions specially revolting is the fact that they were absolutely inconsistent with the primary doctrine of Protestantism - the right of private judgment in matters of religious belief! Nothing can be more illogical than at one moment to assert that one may interpret the Bible to suit himself, and at the next to torture and kill him for having done so!

"Nor should we ever forget that . . . the Protestants were the aggressors, the Catholics were the defenders. The Protestants were attempting to destroy the old, established Christian Church, which had existed 1500 years, and to replace it by something new, untried and revolutionary. The Catholics were upholding a Faith, hallowed by centuries of pious associations and sublime achievements; the Protestants, on the contrary, were fighting for a creed . . . which already was beginning to disintegrate into hostile sects, each of which, if it gained the upper hand, commenced to persecute the rest! . . . All religious persecution is bad; but in this case, of the two parties guilty of it, the Catholics certainly had the more defensible motives for their conduct.

"At all events, the argument that the persecutions for heresy, perpetrated by the Catholics, constitute a reason why one should not enter the Catholic Church, has not a particle more force than a similar argument would have against one's entering the Protestant Church. In both there have been those deserving of blame in this respect, and what applies to one applies also to the other."

Stoddard, John L., Rebuilding a Lost Faith, NY: P.J. Kenedy & Sons, 1922. Pages 204-5,209-l0) SOURCE
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  • sophionsophion Member PEx Veteran ⭐⭐
    It would be better if you cited some actual examples. Let me give the most severe one:

    THE SALEM WITCH HUNTS.


    Now what I'd like to know is if protestant leaders actually murdered a "heretic" leader. Like what the catholic clergy did to Jan Hus.
  • ElCidElCid Roman Catholic PEx Influencer ⭐⭐⭐
    sophion wrote: »
    It would be better if you cited some actual examples. Let me give the most severe one:

    THE SALEM WITCH HUNTS.


    Now what I'd like to know is if protestant leaders actually murdered a "heretic" leader. Like what the catholic clergy did to Jan Hus.

    The Salem Witch Hunts is an entirely different topic which deserves a thread of its own.

    Here are some of the lists of the names of those who have been martyred under the state sponsored persecution and execution of the following catholic LEADERS when King Henry VIII arrogated for himself the entire catholic church in england and forced people to convert from the top down. Among those executed are prominent catholics: Lord Chancellors, Bishops, Cardinals, Doctors of Divinity etc. Before I give the list, I'd like to share with you a sample of protestant brutality during the deformation:

    On May 4, 1535, in London, three Carthusian monks and one Bridgettine monk were hanged until partially conscious. Then their bellies were cut open, their intestines wrenched out and tossed on a fire, and their hearts ripped out by hand. The bodies were beheaded and quartered, and the pieces were posted at various locations throughout England. As the executioner slit open his belly, John Houghton, prior of the London Carthusian monastery, said, "O most holy Jesus, have mercy upon me in this hour." This was the punishment for treason in sixteenth-century England. Their crime? Refusal to recognize "the king, our sovereign, to be the supreme head of the Church of England afore the Apostles of Christ's Church."

    The List:

    Beati

    The sixty-three blessed will be noted in detail elsewhere, and the principal authorities will be there noted. Their names are here arranged in companies when they were tried or died together.
    Under King Henry VIII

    * Cardinal: John Fisher, Bishop of Rochester, 22 June, 1535.
    * Lord Chancellor: Sir Thomas More, 6 July, 1535.
    * Carthusians: John Houghton, Robert Lawrence, Augustine Webster, 4 May, 1535; Humphrey Middlemore, William Exmew, Sebastian Newdigate, 19 June, 1535; John Rochester, James Walworth, 11 May, 1537; Thomas Johnson, William Greenwood, John Davye, Robert Salt, Walter Pierson, Thomas Green, Thomas Scryven, Thomas Redyng, Richard Bere, June-September, 1537; Robert Horne, 4 August, 1540.
    * Benedictines: Richard Whiting, Hugh Farringdon, abbots, 15 November, 1539; Thomas Marshall (or John Beche), 1 December, 1539; John Thorne, Richard James, William Eynon, John Rugg, 15 Nov., 1539.
    * Doctors of Divinity: Thomas Abel, Edward Powell, Richard Fetherstone, 30 July, 1540.
    * Other secular priests: John Haile, 4 May 1535; John Larke, 7 March, 1544.
    * Other religious orders: Richard Reynold, Brigittine (4 May, 1535); John Stone, O.S.A., 12 May, 1538; John Forrest, O.S.F., 22 May, 1538.
    * Laymen and women: Adrian Fortescue, Knight of St. John, 9 July, 1539; Margaret Pole, Countess of Salisbury, 28 May, 1541; German Gardiner, 7 March, 1544.

    Under Queen Elizabeth

    * Martyrs connected with the Excommunication: John Felton, 8 Aug., 1570; Thomas Plumtree p., 4 Jan., 1571; John Storey, D.C.L., 1 June, 1571; Thomas Percy, Earl of Northumberland, 22 Aug., 1572; Thomas Woodhouse p., 13 June, 1573.
    * First martyrs from the seminaries: Cuthbert Mayne, Protomartyr of Douai College, 29 Nov., 1577; John Nelson p., and S.J. before death, 3 Feb., 1578; Thomas Nelson, church student, 7 Feb., 1578; Everard Hanse p., 31 July, 1581.
    * Martyrs of the Catholic Revival: Edmund Campion, S.J., Ralph Sherwin, Protomartyr of the English College, Rome, Alexander Briant p., and S.J. before death, 1 Dec., 1581; John Payne p., 2 April, 1582; Thomas Ford p., John Shert p., Robert Johnson p., 28 May, 1582; William Filby p., Luke Kirby p., Lawrence Richardson p., Thomas Cottom p., and S.J. before death, 30 May, 1582.
    * York martyrs: William Lacey p., Richard Kirkman p., 22 Aug., 1582; James Thomson p., 28 Nov., 1582; William Hart p., 15 March, 1583; Richard Thirkeld p., 29 May, 1583.

    Venerables

    Separate notices will be given of the more notable martyrs and groups of martyrs. But, though they all died heroically, their lives were so retired and obscure that there is generally but little known about them. It may, however, be remarked that, being educated in most cases in the same seminaries, engaged in the same work, and suffering under the same procedures and laws the details which we know about some of the more notable martyrs (of whom special biographies are given) are generally also true for the more obscure. The authorities, too, will be the same in both cases.
    Under King Henry VIII (12)

    * 1537-38: Anthony Brookby, Thomas Belchiam, Thomas Cort, Franciscans, thrown into prison for preaching against the king's supremacy. Brookby was strangled with his own girdle, the others died of ill treatment.
    * 1539: Friar Waire, O.S.F., and John Griffith p. (generally known as Griffith Clarke), Vicar of Wandsworth, for supporting the papal legate, Cardinal Pole, drawn and quartered, (8 July) at St. Thomas Waterings; Sir Thomas Dingley, Knight of St. John, beheaded, 10 July, with Bl. Adrian Fortescue. John Travers, Irish Augustinian, who had written against the supremacy; before execution his hand was cut off and burnt, but the writing fingers were not consumed, 30 July.
    * 1540-1544: Edmund Brindholme p., of London, and Clement Philpot l., of Calais, attainted for having "adhered to the Pope of Rome", hanged and quartered at Tyburn, 4 Aug., 1540; Sir David Gonson (also Genson and Gunston), Knight of St. John, son of Vice-Admiral Gonson, attainted for "adhering" to Cardinal Pole, hanged and quartered at St. Thomas Waterings, 1 July, 1541; John Ireland p., once a chaplain to More, condemned and executed with Bl. John Larke, 1544; Thomas Ashby l., 29 March, 1544.

    Under Queen Elizabeth

    * 1583: John Slade l., 30 Oct., Winchester, with John Bodley l., 2 Nov., Andover.
    * 1584: William Carter l., 11 Jan., Tyburn; George Haydock p., with James Fenn p., Thomas Hemerford p., John Nutter p., John Munden p., 12 Feb., Tyburn; James Bell p., with John Finch l., 20 April, Lancaster; Richard White l., 17 Oct., Wrexham.
    * 1585: Thomas Alfield p., with Thomas Webley l., 6 July, Tyburn; Hugh Taylor p., with Marmaduke Bowes l., 26 Nov., York. From this time onwards almost all the priests suffered under law of 27 Elizabeth, merely for their priestly character.
    * 1586: Edward Stransham p., with Nicholas Woodfen p., 21 Jan., Tyburn; Margaret Clitherow l., 25 March, York; Richard Sergeant p., with William Thompson p., 20 April, Tyburn; Robert Anderton p., with William Marsden p., 25 April, Isle of Wight; Francis Ingleby p., 3 June, York; John Finglow p., 8 Aug., York; John Sandys p., 11 Aug., Gloucester; John Adams p., with John Lowe p., 8 Oct., Tyburn, and Richard Dibdale p., 8 Oct; Tyburn; Robert Bickerdike p., 8 Oct., York; Richard Langley l., 1 Dec., York.
    * 1587: Thomas Pilchard p., 21 March, Dorchester; Edmund Sykes p., 23 March, York; Robert Sutton p., 27 July, Stafford; Stephen Rowsham p., July or earlier, Gloucester; John Hambley p., about same time, Chard in Somerset; George Douglas p., 9 Sept., York; Alexander Crowe, 13 Nov., York.
    * 1588: Nicholas Garlick p., with Robert Ludlum p. and Richard Sympson p., 24 July, Derby; Robert Morton p., and Hugh Moor l., in Lincoln's Inn Fields; William Gunter p., Theatre, Southwark; Thomas Holford p., Clerkenwell; William Dean p., and Henry Webley l., Mile End Green; James Claxton p.; Thomas Felton, O.S.F., Hounslow. These eight were condemned together and suffered on the same day, 28 Aug. Richard Leigh p., Edward Shelly l., Richard Martin l., Richard Flower (Floyd or Lloyd) l., John Roche l., Mrs. Margaret Ward, all condemned with the last, and all suffered 30 Aug., Tyburn. William Way p., 23 Sept., Kingston-on-Thames; Robert Wilcox p., with Edward Campion p., Christopher Buxton p., Robert Windmerpool l., 1 Oct., Canterbury; Robert Crocket p., with Edward James p., 1 Oct., Chichester; John Robertson p., 1 Oct., Ipswich; William Hartley p., Theatre, Southwark, with John Weldon (vere Hewett) p., Mile End Green, Robert Sutton l., Clerkenwell, and Richard Williams (Queen Mary priest, who was more probably executed in 1592, and his name, erroneously transferred here, seems to have pushed out that of John Symons, or Harrison), 5 Oct., Halloway; Edward Burden p., 29 Nov.,York; William Lampley l., Gloucester, day uncertain.
    * 1589: John Amias p., with Robert Dalby p., 16 March, York; George Nichols p., with Richard Yaxley p., Thomas Belson l., and Humphrey Pritchard l., 5 July, Oxford; William Spenser p., with Robert Hardesty l., 24 Sept., York.
    * 1590: Christopher Bayles p., Fleet Street, with Nicholas Horner l., Smithfield, and Alexander Blake, l., 4 March, Gray's Inn Lane; Miles Gerard p., with Francis Dicconson p., 30 April, Rochester; Edward Jones p., Conduit, Fleet Street, and Anthony Middleton p., 6 May, Clerkenwell; Edmund Duke p., with Richard Hill p., John Hogg p., and Richard Holliday p., 27 May, Durham.
    * 1591: Robert Thorpe p., with Thomas Watkinson l., 31 May, York; Monford Scott p., with George Beesley p., 2 July, Fleet Street, London; Roger Dicconson p., with Ralph Milner l., 7 July, Winchester; William Pikes l., day not known, Dorchester; Edmund Jennings p., with Swithin Wells l., Gray's Inn Fields; Eustace White p., with Polydore Plasden p., Brian Lacey l., John Masson l., Sydney Hodgson l., all seven, 10 Dec., Tyburn.
    * 1592: William Patenson p., 22 Jan., Tyburn; Thomas Pormort p., 20 Feb., St. Paul's Churchyard, London; Roger Ashton l., 23 June, Tyburn.
    * 1593: Edward Waterson p., 7 Jan. (but perhaps of the next year), Newcastle-on-Tyne; James Bird l., hanged 25 March, Winchester; Joseph Lampton p., 27 July, Newcastle-on-Tyne; William Davies p., 21 July, Beaumaris.
    * 1594: John Speed l., condemned for receiving a priest, 4 Feb., Durham; William Harrington p., 18 Feb., Tyburn; John Cornelius, S.J., with Thomas Bosgrave l., John Carey l., Patrick Salmon l., 4 July, Dorchester; John Boste p., Durham, with John Ingram p., Newcastle-on-Tyne, and George Swallowell, a convert minister, tried together, they suffered 24, 25, and 26 July, Darlington; Edward Osbaldeston p., 16 Nov., York.
    * 1595: Robert Southwell p., S.J., 21 Feb., Tyburn; Alexander Rawlins p., with Henry Walpole p., S.J., 7 April, York; William Freeman p., 13 Aug., Warwick; Philip Howard, Earl of Arundel, 19 Oct., Tower of London.
    * 1596: George Errington, gentleman, William Knight l., William Gibson l., Henry Abbott l., 29 Nov., York.
    * 1597: William Andleby p., with Thomas Warcop l., Edward Fulthrop l., 4 July, York.
    * 1598: John Britton l., 1 April, York; Peter Snow p., with Ralph Gromston l., 15 June, York; John Buckley O.S.F., 12 July, St. Thomas Waterings; Christopher Robertson p., 19 Aug., Carlisle; Richard Horner p., 4 Sept., York;
    * 1599: John Lion, l., 16 July, Oakham; James Dowdal, l., 13 Aug., Exeter.
    * 1600: Christopher Wharton p., 28 March, York; John Rigby l., 21 June, St. Thomas Waterings; Thomas Sprott p., with Thomas Hunt p., 11 July, Lincoln; Robert Nutter p., with Edward Thwing p., 26 July, Lancaster; Thomas Palasor p., with John Norton l., and John Talbot l., 9 Aug., Durham.
    * 1601: John Pibush p., 18 Feb., St. Thomas Waterings; Mark Barkworth, O.S.B., with Roger Filcock, S.J., and Anne Linne, 27 Feb., Tyburn; Thurstan Hunt p., with Robert Middleton p., 31 March, Lancaster; Nicholas Tichborne l., with Thomas Hackshot l., 24 Aug., Tyburn;
    * 1602: James Harrison p., with Anthony Battie or Bates l., 22 March, York; James Duckett l., 19 April, Tyburn; Thomas Tichborne p., with Robert Watkinson p., and Francis Page, S.J., 20 April, Tyburn.
    * 1603: William Richardson p., 17 Feb., Tyburn.

    Under James I and Charles

    1604: John Sugar p., with Robert Grissold l., 16 July, Warwick; Lawrence Bailey l., 16 Sept., Lancaster; 1605: Thomas Welborne l., with John Fulthering l., 1 Aug., York; William Brown l., 5 Sept., Ripon; 1606: Martyrs at the time of the Powder Plot: Nicholas Owen, S.J., day unknown, Tower; Edward Oldcorne, S.J., with Robert Ashley, S.J., 7 April, Worcester. From this time to the end of the reign the martyrs might have saved their lives had they taken the condemned oath of allegiance. 1607: Robert Drury p., 26 Feb., Tyburn; 1608: Matthew Flathers p., 21 March, York; George Gervase, O.S.B., 11 April, Tyburn; Thomas Garnet, S.J., 23 June, Tyburn. 1610: Roger Cadwallador p., 27 Aug., Leominster; George Napper p., 9 No., Oxford; Thomas Somers p., 10 Dec., Tyburn; John Roberts, O.S.B., 10 Dec., Tyburn; 1612: William Scot, O.S.B., with Richard Newport p., 30 May, Tyburn; John Almond p., 5 Dec., Tyburn; 1616: Thomas Atkinson p., 11 March, York; John Thouless p., with Roger Wrenno l., 18 March, Lancaster; Thomas Maxfield p., 1 July, Tyburn; Thomas Tunstall p., 13 July, Norwich; 1618: William Southerne p., 30 April, Newcastle-under-Lyne. 1628: Edmund Arrowsmith, S.J., with Richard Herst l., 20 and 21 Aug., Lancaster.
    Commonwealth

    All these suffered before the death of Oliver Cromwell.— 1641: William Ward p., 26 July, Tyburn; Edward Barlow, O.S.B., 10 Sept., Lancaster; 1642: Thomas Reynolds p., with Bartholomew Roe, O.S.B., 21 January, Tyburn; John Lockwood p., with Edmund Catherick p., 13 April, York; Edward Morgan p., 26 April, Tyburn; Hugh Green p., 19 Aug., Dorchester; Thomas Bullaker, O.S.F., 12 Oct., Tyburn; Thomas Holland, S.J., 12 Dec., Tyburn. 1643: Henry Heath, O.S.F., 17 April, Tyburn; Brian Cansfield, S.J., 3 Aug., York Castle; Arthur Bell, O.S.V., 11 Dec., Tyburn; 1644: Richard Price, colonel, 7 May, Lincoln; John Duckett p., with Ralph Corbin, S.J., 7 Sept., Tyburn; 1645: Henry Morse, S.J., 1 Feb., Tyburn; John Goodman p., 8 April, Newgate; 1646: Philip Powell, O.S.B., 30 June, Tyburn; John Woodcock, O.S.F., with Edward Bamber p., and Thomas Whitaker p., 7 Aug., Lancaster. 1651: Peter Wright, S.J., 19 May, Tyburn. 1654: John Southworth p., 28 June, Tyburn.
    The Oates Plot

    1678: Edward Coleman l., 3 Dec., Tyburn; Edward Mico, S.J., 3 Dec., in Newgate; Thomas Beddingfeld, 21 Dec., in Gatehouse Prison; 1679: William Ireland, S.J., with John Grove l., 24 Jan, Tyburn; Thomas Pickering O.S.B. 9, May, Tyburn; Thomas Whitbread S.J., with William Harcourt, S.J., John Fenwick, S.J., John Gavin or Green S.J., and Anthony Turner, S.J., 20 June, Tyburn; Francis Nevil, S.J., Feb., in Stafford Gaol; Richard Langhorne l., 14 July, Tyburn; William Plessington p., 19 July, Chester; Philip Evans, S.J., 22 July, with John Lloyd p., 22 July, Cardiff; Nicholas Postgate p., 7 Aug., York; Charles Mahoney, O.S.V., 12 Aug., Ruthin; John Wall, O.S.F., 29 Aug., Worcester; Francis Levinson, O.S.F., 11 Feb., in prison; John Kemble p., 22 Aug., Hereford; David Lewis, S.J., 27 Aug., Usk. 1680: Thomas Thwing p., 23 Oct., York; William Howard, Viscount Stafford, 29 Dec., Tower Hill. The cause of Irish martyr Oliver Plunkett, 1 July, Tower hill, was commenced with the above martyrs. The cause of his beatification is now being actively proceeded with by the Cardinal Archbishop of Armagh.
    The forty-four dilati

    These, as has been explained above, are those "put off" for further proof. Of these, the majority were confessors, who perished after a comparatively short period of imprisonment, though definite proof of their death ex oerumnis is not forthcoming.
    Under Queen Elizabeth (18)

    Robert Dimock, hereditary champion of England, was arrested at Mass, and perished after a few weeks' imprisonment at Lincoln, 11 Sept., 1580; John Cooper, a young man, brought up by the writer, Dr. Nicholas Harpsfield, and probably a distributor of Catholic books, arrested at Dover and sent to the Tower, died of "hunger, cold, and stench", 1580; Mr. Ailworth (Aylword), probably of Passage Castle, Waterford, who admitted Catholics to Mass at his house, was arrested, and died after eight days, 1580; William Chaplain p., Thomas Cotesmore p., Roger Holmes p., Roger Wakeman p., James Lomax p., perished in 1584. Cotesmore was a bachelor of Oxford in 1586; of Wakeman's suffering several harrowing details are on record. Thomas Crowther p., Edward Pole p., John Jetter p., and Laurence Vaux p., perished in 1585; John Harrison p., 1586; Martin Sherson p., and Gabriel Thimelby p., 1587; Thomas Metham S.J., 1592; Eleanor Hunt and Mrs. Wells, gentlewomen, on unknown days in 1600 and 1602.
    Under the Commonwealth (8)

    Edward Wilkes p., died in York Castle before execution in 1642; Boniface Kempe (or Francis Kipton) and Idlephonse Hesketh (or William Hanson) O.S.B., professed of Montserrat, seized by Puritan soldiery in Yorkshire, and worried to death, 26 July (?), 1644; Richard Bradley S.J., b. at Bryning Hall, Lancs., 1605, of a well-known Catholic family, seized, imprisoned, but died before trial at Manchester, 20 Jan, 1640; John Felton, S.J., visiting another Father in Lincoln, was seized and so badly used that, when released (for no one appeared against him) he died within a month, 17 Feb., 1645; Thomas Vaughan of Cortfield p., and Thomas Blount p., imprisoned at Shrewsbury, d. at unknown date; Robert Cox, O.S.B., died at the Clink Prison, 1650.
    During the Oates Plot (10)

    Thomas Jennison S.J., d. after twelve months' imprisonment, 27 Sept., 1679. he had renounced a handsome inheritance in favour of his brother, who, nevertheless, having apostatized, turned king's evidence against him. William Lloyd, d. under sentence of death, Brecknock, 1679. Placid Aldham or John Adland (O.S.B.), a convert clergyman, chaplain to Queen Catherine of Braganza, d. under sentence in 1679. William Atkins, S.J., condemned at Stafford, was too deaf to hear the sentence. When it was shouted in his ear he turned and thanked the judge; he was reprieved and died in bonds, 7 March, 1681. Richard Birkett p., d. 1680 under sentence in Lancaster Castle; but ourmartyrologists seem to have made some confusion between him and John Penketh, S.J., a fellow prisoner (see Gillow, Cath. Rec. Soc., IV, pp. 431-440). Richard Lacey (Prince), S.J., Newgate, 11 March, 1680; William Allison p., York Castle, 1681; Edward Turner, S.J., 19 March, 1681, Gatehouse; Benedict Counstable, O.S.B., professed at Lamspring, 1669, 11 Dec., 1683, Durham Gaol; William Bennet (Bentney), S.J., 30 Oct., 1692, Leicester Gaol under William III.
    Others put off for various causes (8)

    John Mawson, 1614, is not yet sufficiently distinguished from John Mason, 1591; there is a similar difficulty between Matthias Harrison, assigned to 1599, and James Harrison, 1602; William Tyrrwhit, named by error for his brother Robert; likewise the identity of Thomas Dyer, O.S.B., has been been fully proved; James Atkinson, killed under torture by Topcliffe, but evidence is wanted of his consistency to the end. Fr. Henry Garnet, S.J., was he killed ex odio fidei, or was he believed to be guilty of the Powder Plot, by merely human misjudgment, not through religious prejudice? The case of Lawrence Hill and Robert Green at the time of the Oates Plot is similar. Was it due to odium fidei, or an unprejudiced error?
    The prætermissi (242)
    Martyrs on the scaffold

    1534: Elizabeth Barton (The Holy Maid of Kent), with five companions: John Dering, O.S.B., Edward Bocking, O.S.B., Hugh Rich, O.S.F., Richard Masters p., Henry Gold p., 1537. Monks, 28.

    After the pilgrimage of grace and the rising of Lincolnshire many, probably several hundred, were executed, of whom no record remains. The following names, which do survive, are grouped under their respective abbeys or priories.

    * Barlings: Matthew Mackerel, abbot and Bishop of Chalcedon, Ord. Præm.
    * Bardney: John Tenent, William Cole, John Francis, William Cowper, Richard Laynton, Hugh Londale, monks.
    * Bridlington: William Wood, Prior.
    * Fountains: William Thyrsk, O. Cist.
    * Guisborough: James Cockerel, Prior.
    * Jervaulx: Adam Sedbar, Abbot; George Asleby, monk.
    * Kirkstead: Richard Harrison, Abbot; Richard Wade, William Swale, Henry Jenkinson, monks.
    * Lenten: Nicholas Heath, Prior; William Gylham, monk.
    * Sawlet: William Trafford, Abbot; Richard Eastgate, monk.
    * Whalley: John Paslew, Abbot; John Eastgate, William Haydock, monks.
    * Woburn: Robert Hobbes, Abbot; Ralph Barnes, sub-prior; Laurence Blonham, monk.
    * York: John Pickering, O.S.D., Prior.
    * Place unknown: George ab Alba Rose, O.S.A.
    * Priests: William Burraby, Thomas Kendale, John Henmarsh, James Mallet, John Pickering, Thomas Redforth.
    * Lords: Darcy and Hussey.
    * Knights: Francis Bigod, Stephen Hammerton, Thomas Percy.
    * Laymen (11): Robert Aske, Robert Constable, Bernard Fletcher, George Hudswell, Robert Lecche, Roger Neeve, George Lomley, Thomas Moyne, Robert Sotheby, Nicholas Tempest, Philip Trotter.

    1538 (7): Henry Courtney, the Marquess of Exeter; Henry Pole, Lord Montague; Sir Edward Nevell and Sir Nicholas Carew; George Croft p., and John Collins p.; Hugh Holland l. Their cause was "adhering to the Pope, and his Legate, Cardinal Pole". 1540 (6): Lawrence Cook O. Carm., Prior of Doncaster; Thomas Empson, O.S.B.; Robert Bird p.; William Peterson p.; William Richardson p.; Giles Heron l. 1544 (3): Martin de Courdres, O.S.A., and Paul of St. William, O.S.A.; Darby Genning l. 1569, 1570 (8): Thomas Bishop, Simon Digby, John Fulthrope, John Hall, Christopher Norton, Thomas Norton, Robert Pennyman, Oswald Wilkinson,laymen, who suffered, like Blessed Thomas Percy, Earl of Northumberland, on the occasion of the Northern Rising. Various Years (6): Thomas Gabyt, O. Cist., 1575; William Hambleton p., 1585; Roger Martin p., 1592; Christopher Dixon, O.S.A., 1616; James Laburne, 1583; Edward Arden, 1584.
    Martyrs in chains

    Bishops (2): Richard Creagh, Archbishop of Armagh, in Tower of London; Thomas Watson, Bishop of Lincoln, in Wisbeach Castle.

    Priests in London Prisons (18): Austin Abbott, Richard Adams, Thomas Belser, John Boxall, D.D., James Brushford, Edmund Cannon, William Chedsey, D.D., Henry Cole, D.D., Anthony Draycott, D.D., Andrew Fryer, -- Gretus, Richard Hatton, Nicholas Harpsfield, -- Harrison, Francis Quashet, Thomas Slythurst, William Wood, John Young, D.D.

    Laymen in London Prisons (35): Alexander Bales, Richard Bolbet, Sandra Cubley, Thomas Cosen, Mrs. Cosen, Hugh Dutton, Edward Ellis, Gabriel Empringham, John Fitzherbert, Sir Thomas Fitzherbert, John Fryer, Anthony Fugatio (Portuguese), -- Glynne, David Gwynne, John Hammond (alias Jackson). Richard Hart, Robert Holland, John Lander, Anne Lander, Peter Lawson, Widow Lingon, Phillipe Lowe, -- May, John Molineaux, Henry Percy, Earl of Northumberland, Richard Reynolds, Edmund Sexton, Robert Shelly, Thomas Sommerset, Francis Spencer, John Thomas, Peter Tichborne, William Travers, Sir Edward Waldegrave, Richard Weston.

    Priests in York (12): John Ackridge, William Baldwin, William Bannersly, Thomas Bedal, Richard Bowes, Henry Comberford, James Gerard, Nicholas Grene, Thomas Harwood, John Pearson, Thomas Ridall, James Swarbrick.

    Laymen in York (31): Anthony Ash, Thomas Blinkensop, Stephen Branton, Lucy Budge, John Chalmer, Isabel Chalmer, John Constable, Ralph Cowling, John Eldersha, Isabel Foster, -- Foster, Agnes Fuister, Thomas Horsley, Stephen Hemsworth, Mary Hutton, Agnes Johnson, Thomas Layne, Thomas Luke, Alice Oldcorne, -- Reynold, -- Robinson, John Stable, Mrs. Margaret Stable, Geoffrey Stephenson, Thomas Vavasour, Mrs. Dorothy Vavasour, Margaret Webster, Frances Webster, Christopher Watson, Hercules Welborn, Alice Williamson.

    In Various Prisons: Benedictines (11): James Brown, Richard Coppinger, Robert Edmonds, John Feckinham, Lawrence Mabbs, William Middleton, Placid Peto, Thomas Preston, Boniface Wilford, Thomas Rede, Sister Isabel Whitehead. Brigittine: Thomas Brownel (lay brother). Cistercians (2): John Almond, Thomas Mudde. Dominican: David Joseph Kemys. Franciscans: Thomas Ackridge, Paul Atkinson (the last of the confessors in chains, died in Hurst Castle, after thirty years' imprisonment, 15 Oct., 1729), Laurence Collier, Walter Coleman, Germane Holmes. Jesuits (12): Matthew Brazier (alias Grimes), Humphrey Browne, Thomas Foster, William Harcourt, John Hudd, Cuthbert Prescott, Ignatius Price, Charles Pritchard, Francis Simeon, Nicholas Tempest, John Thompson, Charles Thursley.Priests (4): William Baldwin, James Gerard, John Pearson, James Swarbick. Laymen (22): Thurstam Arrowsmith, Humphrey Beresford, William Bredstock, James Clayton, William Deeg, Ursula Foster, -- Green, William Griffith, William Heath, Richard Hocknell, John Jessop, Richard Kitchin, William Knowles, Thomas Lynch, William Maxfield, -- Morecock, Alice Paulin, Edmund Rookwood, Richard Spencer, -- Tremaine, Edmund Vyse, Jane Vyse.
    The eleven bishops

    Since the process of the Prætermissi has been held, strong reasons have been shown for including on our list of sufferers, whose causes ought to be considered, the eleven bishops whom Queen Elizabeth deprived and left to die in prison, as Bonner, or under some form of confinement. Their names are: Cuthbert Turnstall, b. Durham, died 18 Nov. 1559; Ralph Bayle b. Lichfield, d. 18 Nov., 1559; Owen Ogle Thorpe, b. Carlisle, d. 31 Dec., 1559; John White, b. Winchester, d. 12 Jan., 1560; Richard Pate, b. Worcester, d. 23 Nov., 1565; David Poole, b. Peterborough, d. May, 1568; Edward Bonner, b. London, d. 5 Sept., 1569; Gilbert Bourne, b. Bath and Wells, d. 10 Sept., 1569; Thomas Thurlby, b. Ely, d. 26 Aug., 1570; James Thurberville, b. Exeter, d. 1 Nov., 1570; Nicholas Heath, Archbishop of York, d. Dec. 1578.

    http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/05474a.htm
  • sophionsophion Member PEx Veteran ⭐⭐
    ^ Most of those occurred during the religious wars of the reformation: the christian civil war. the others (1678 & up) are just names of catholics, the cause of suffering wasnt mentioned.

    Show examples of protestant leaders killing someone who they think is a "heretic". The event itself, not just a bunch of names.




    Anyway whats the point of this thread? You will only succeed in shooting your own foot. Because catholics still murdured countless more than protestants. Like they murdured thousands of protestants during st.bartholomew's day alone! :eek: I wonder if protestants ever went into such a religion inspired killing spree. :confused:
  • faux_phfaux_ph future technocrat PExer
    ^^naah... there's no more atrocious crusade than the Albigensian crusade against Cathars in southern France.

    When the killing spree happened, if a crusader asks how to determine who's to spare, the response from the catholic church authority was "Kill them all, God will know His own!".
  • [Sniper][Sniper] Banned by Admin PExer
    ^Agreed, it's stupid to even think protestants were generally more religiously intolerant than the Catholic Church.

    It's useless talking to a BIGOT, he's obviously a brain-dead radical and fanatic. If people really want the Catholic Church to be the cornerstone of society then be my guest, I suggest to the mongoloid Catholic here to get a time machine and go the hell back to the middle ages, let's see if you like your perceived "paradise"..
  • ElCidElCid Roman Catholic PEx Influencer ⭐⭐⭐
    [Sniper] wrote: »
    ^Agreed, it's stupid to even think protestants were generally more religiously intolerant than the Catholic Church.

    It's useless talking to a BIGOT, he's obviously a brain-dead radical and fanatic. If people really want the Catholic Church to be the cornerstone of society then be my guest, I suggest to the mongoloid Catholic here to get a time machine and go the hell back to the middle ages, let's see if you like your perceived "paradise"..
    The bigot here is you Sniper. You've been on to me since the first time I posted here merely because I am ROMAN CATHOLIC. But you couldn't engage me in a decent debate even if you wanted to Sniper. You need a brain to do that and obviously yours is in a coma that's why you've just resigned yourself to cussing and swearing like a madman frothing in the mouth. And it's a free country Sniper. I could post any article from the net for discussion and that's not even my opinion - why accuse me of bigotry. You say you champion toleration and diversity in belief but what I see here is bigotry and hypocrisy. Things certainly hasn't changed from my point of view. There are still bigots like you Sniper who can't even decide whatever kind of hypocrite you wanted to call yourself who's as intolerant as the medieval catholics that you despise. Keep on reinventing yourself Sniper. You can call yourself religious agnostic/religious gnostic/religious secular humanist and whatever chipmunk you wanted to call yourself. But everyone knows you're a closet fundie - and nobody even have to second guess that. No hard feelings Snipes. I could even send you a sculptured butt of Luther for christmas and you can kiss his *****$ all you want OK? hahaha
  • [Sniper][Sniper] Banned by Admin PExer
    And now he acts like a whiny girly bitch! :lol:

    Too bad I hurt your feelings, nothing personal ElCid but you're just a stupid BIGOT. And by the way, just what did you say about swearing? So much for your stupidity and mental retardation :lol:

    Too bad you can't take what you dish out..get a brain and go get a clue :bop:
  • geo02107geo02107 Fascist&Plagiarist Exposer! PExer
    [Sniper] wrote: »
    And now he acts like a whiny girly bitch! :lol:

    Too bad I hurt your feelings, nothing personal ElCid but you're just a stupid BIGOT. And by the way, just what did you say about swearing? So much for your stupidity and mental retardation :lol:

    Too bad you can't take what you dish out..get a brain and go get a clue :bop:

    Tama at sinungaling pa siya! *okay* :rotflmao:
  • [Sniper][Sniper] Banned by Admin PExer
    geo02107 wrote: »
    Tama at sinungaling pa siya! *okay* :rotflmao:

    Agreed, and he even has the nerve to call me a bigot when I'm not the one here making threads, spewing propaganda bullshit and hating the Catholic Church to the core. :lol: That's not my style at all, they're reserved for special fanatical retards like ElBobo who don't even have a frickin clue.

    By the way ElCid, I'm not born stupid like you. If you don't know what religious agnostic is google is your friend. But I doubt you'll ever use that, you're just too stupid in general. Must run in the bloodline..or maybe that all around Eucharistic wafer diet is starting to affect your brain resulting in you running around like a chipmunk and frothing in the mouth :lol:
  • ElCidElCid Roman Catholic PEx Influencer ⭐⭐⭐
    geo02107 wrote: »
    Tama at sinungaling pa siya! *okay* :rotflmao:
    Birds of the same feather flock together. Geo pag naging tao ka na't hinayaan ka na ng pastor mo humawak ng biblia usap tayo ulet hahaha. Sa ngayon magsama muna kayo ni Sniper dahil matagal na yang naghahanap ng kakampi hahaha.
  • ElCidElCid Roman Catholic PEx Influencer ⭐⭐⭐
    [Sniper] wrote: »
    Agreed, and he even has the nerve to call me a bigot when I'm not the one here making threads, spewing propaganda bullshit and hating the Catholic Church to the core. :lol: That's not my style at all, they're reserved for special fanatical retards like ElBobo who don't even have a frickin clue.

    By the way ElCid, I'm not born stupid like you. If you don't know what religious agnostic is google is your friend. But I doubt you'll ever use that, you're just too stupid in general. Must run in the bloodline..or maybe that all around Eucharistic wafer diet is starting to affect your brain resulting in you running around like a chipmunk and frothing in the mouth :lol:

    Ah of course that's not your style. Your style is to cuss and swear, rant and rave while frothing in the mouth like a madman suffering from an epileptic fit. You remind me of a line by Shakespeare: the sound you make is like a tale told by an 1diot full of sound and fury signifying nothing.

    You can't possibly engage anyone in a debate Sniper even if you try. You can't even decide what kind of hypocrite you wanted to call yourself Sniper - that's for sure let alone be sure of what you're saying. First you claimed to be a religous agnostic then later on you changed your mind you became a religious gnostic and then later on you decided to call yourself a religious/agnostic humanist. That's in a span of less than 10 days if I'm not mistaken. You're one heck of a confused guy with real issues here hahaha. I'm not really surprised since you can't even tell whether an economic theory is already discredited or not. That's pathetic sniper. You can't even tell whether the man you cited was a sociologist or economist and you've been passing off his thesis as fact? And you have the gall to call people stupid? Nobody can be more stupider than that. And you even brag about you being an economics major? What kind of school do you go to anyway? The University of the Chipmunks funded by the Society for the Prevention of cruelty to mentally challenged animals? Time to find your own level Snipes - perhaps you should talk to geo more often hahaha. He too is evolving into something more intelligent hahaha. Maghahamon na naman ng suntukan tong mga ito hahaha. Baket kaya di niyo na lang gayahin si sophion, si jonga, si confirmpassword? They certainly know how to debate and stick to the issues.
  • [Sniper][Sniper] Banned by Admin PExer
    Still the whining girly bitch I see?lolz..I love this guy, talking to this moron without a brain is sure like poking a beehive with a stick :lol:

    Has it occurred to you that maybe it's because you're actually just far too stupid in general na wala kang kakampi? :lol: And I don't need "comrades" to tell you that you're just a brainless verbal wanker. Even some of the board idiots already see this, and I just love the fact that geo had to take up all your time in posting a simple response. You could have just said all that with a simple "shut the fuck up" instead of running around like a chipmunk and frothing yourself in the mouth :rotflmao:
  • [Sniper][Sniper] Banned by Admin PExer
    Stick to the issues ika nga mo? What's to stick when you're too busy putting and pulling things in your ass while citing heavily biased sources like an opinion page from the Wall street Journal? :lol:

    *****! You don't cite opinion pages you dolt, you cite facts to make a counter-argument. I was right you are indeed a retarded BIGOT! I really wonder what school you attend to (must be the Center for Retarded and Special Children), because I really want to slap and punch your teachers right in the face for not teaching you right. Wait! On second thought, scratch that! They've explained to me in great detail the extent of your brain damage and mental health is beyond hope.

    No matter what facts are presented to you it still won't change your mind despite the truth. Since I'm just talking to one stupid individual, I am terminating this conversation completely..Good luck with your love-hate relationship with protestantism, you're gonna need it..


    kthxbai
  • ElCidElCid Roman Catholic PEx Influencer ⭐⭐⭐
    [Sniper] wrote: »
    Still the whining girly bitch I see?lolz..I love this guy, talking to this moron without a brain is sure like poking a beehive with a stick :lol:

    Has it occurred to you that maybe it's because you're actually just far too stupid in general na wala kang kakampi? :lol: And I don't need "comrades" to tell you that you're just a brainless verbal wanker. Even some of the board idiots already see this, and I just love the fact that geo had to take up all your time in posting a simple response. You could have just said all that with a simple "shut the fuck up" instead of running around like a chipmunk and frothing yourself in the mouth :rotflmao:

    I don't need someone to reassure me Sniper since I'm not like you. You can't even decide who or what kind of hypocrite you are lolz. I bet you might even just wake up one day and decide that you wanted to be a woman hahaha. That's not far fetched. In a span of less than 10 days you almost arrogated for yourself terms you don't even understand like gnostic/agnostic/humanist. Tsk tsk tsk.

    Actually you don't get into my nerves Sniper - it's the other way around. You've been hounding all my threads trying to get even but tough luck - you can't get even on any topic. It takes more than swearing and cussing to win a debate. Only losers do that. It takes brains Sniper - a resource that obviously you don't have. Gayahin mo si sophion, jonga, confirmpassword - they stick to the issue hindi namemersonal dahil halata yung talo pikon. Sa debate talo, maski sa alaskahan talo pa din nangongopya pa ng linya? Pikon na pikon na't nagmumura na lang hahahaha.

    As a token of my appreciation Sniper for your patronage of all my threads, I'll be sending a gift for you this Christmas - Luther's sculpted butt and you can kiss it all you want ok hahaha.
  • [Sniper][Sniper] Banned by Admin PExer
    ^^lolz, this guy sure has lost it.. :lol:

    Better take your anti-depressants ElCid, you are down the road of self-destruction every minute. And what's with your homoerotic fantasies regarding Luther and his butt? Frustrated you didn't bone any of his? :lol:

    On second thought, scratch that. You get it from daily in teh bu77 from your local diocese. Don't worry I will send you as a recommended gigolo for our "Holy Pope", I'm sure he'll get to like you as well..
  • geo02107geo02107 Fascist&Plagiarist Exposer! PExer
    Aba sinabihan na nga inulit na naman yun pagsisinungaling niya. INC bawal humawak ng bible kailan pa? Kahit sino pwede humawak! Napakasinungaling ka talaga! :rotflmao:
  • ElCidElCid Roman Catholic PEx Influencer ⭐⭐⭐
    [Sniper] wrote: »
    Stick to the issues ika nga mo? What's to stick when you're too busy putting and pulling things in your ass while citing heavily biased sources like an opinion page from the Wall street Journal? :lol:

    Can you guys explain to me why this guy seem to believe that an opinion page from the Wall Street Journal online is heavily biased? Lolz He doesn't even know what he's talking about. And actually Sniper, the one who is citing from a heavily biased source is you - you cited an affiliate of the World Wide Church of God which is even considered a cult by many protestants and tried to pass the doctrines they copied from the Adventists/JW's and Mormons as the work of 'protestant scholars' hahahaha. Again, the guy doesn't know what he's talking about. Parang yung the real deal daw and factual yung thesis ni WEBER eh malinaw na discredited yung theory at ni hindi man lang pala economist si weber at cinacite nitong eco major na chipmunk? hahaha. Ako pa tatawaging *****? Hahahahaha.
    [Sniper] wrote: »
    *****! You don't cite opinion pages you dolt, you cite facts to make a counter-argument. I was right you are indeed a retarded BIGOT! I really wonder what school you attend to (must be the Center for Retarded and Special Children), because I really want to slap and punch your teachers right in the face for not teaching you right. Wait! On second thought, scratch that! They've explained to me in great detail the extent of your brain damage and mental health is beyond hope.

    The one who's ***** Sniper is you. If you still don't know what is patent for everyone to see is that I wasn't making a counter argument obobs hahaha. I merely posted the article so we could have something to talk about. And now he is getting violent - wanting to punch daw my teachers. Punch nga ba ha Snipes? Di kaya sabunot o sampal? Hahaha rofl. Gumagawa pa ng scenario na na-explain daw ng mga teacher ko 'in great' detail the extent of my brain damage. I'm not even amused. The guy who's really gone mental here is you - you're having hallucinations my friend hahaha. You don't even know what university I went to. Nasisiraan na ng bait sa galit. Di pa nakakabawi maski isa. hahaha
    [Sniper] wrote: »
    No matter what facts are presented to you it still won't change your mind despite the truth. Since I'm just talking to one stupid individual, I am terminating this conversation completely..Good luck with your love-hate relationship with protestantism, you're gonna need it..


    kthxbai

    Nax. Nag-goodbye pa lolz. Terminating the conversation daw. Pero pakiramdam ko babalik pa ito. I'm sure hahaha. Walang isang salita itong taong ito eh parang 'lalaking' nakatikwas ang hinliliit hahaha. You guys wanna bet? hahaha
  • ElCidElCid Roman Catholic PEx Influencer ⭐⭐⭐
    [Sniper] wrote: »
    ^^lolz, this guy sure has lost it.. :lol:

    Better take your anti-depressants ElCid, you are down the road of self-destruction every minute. And what's with your homoerotic fantasies regarding Luther and his butt? Frustrated you didn't bone any of his? :lol:

    On second thought, scratch that. You get it from daily in teh bu77 from your local diocese. Don't worry I will send you as a recommended gigolo for our "Holy Pope", I'm sure he'll get to like you as well..

    See guys, what did I tell you. He came back for more punishment hahaha. The one who's actually fixated about butts is you Sniper. This is apparent if you will just spend time reading your own posts, you'll see a lot of @ss words there that's why I'm donating a Luther's sculpted butt to your foundation - The Mentally Handicapped Chipmunk and Lemming Foundation - whose main purpose is to help Chipmunks with gender issues and Lemmings who have suicidal tendencies lolz. It would look nice in your gallery and you could even charge people like Geo to come over and kiss this sculpture and donate to your cause. But of course you can kiss Luther's butt for free hahaha.

    Anyway sophion I would reply as soon as I get this monkey err chipmunk off my back hahaha. Later ok? Every thread needs a comic relief hahaha.
  • cedric_errolcedric_errol PeX Certified Winter Knight PEx Influencer ⭐⭐⭐
    ElCId, you just posted something for discussion, and that's about it. Your rhetoric is enough to throw them around eg "As a token of my appreciation Sniper for your patronage of all my threads, I'll be sending a gift for you this Christmas - Luther's sculpted butt and you can kiss it all you want ok hahaha." etc. I just don't understand why this "women" jumped the "'gun' on you". I mean, the issue here was the post you posted not you.

    Well, well, well, I hate to break this to you ElCid, but I guess Sniper and geo both have an incredible fixation (crush or obsession) on you.

    Let's go back to the topic, shall we?
  • ElCidElCid Roman Catholic PEx Influencer ⭐⭐⭐
    What moral right and ascendancy do these hypocrites have in condemning the catholic inquisition they loathe when they do the same things themselves? Is this the much vaunted reformation of the church? Certainly not.
    sophion wrote: »
    ^ Most of those occurred during the religious wars of the reformation: the christian civil war. the others (1678 & up) are just names of catholics, the cause of suffering wasnt mentioned.

    Show examples of protestant leaders killing someone who they think is a "heretic". The event itself, not just a bunch of names.

    On October 27, 1553 John Calvin, the founder of Calvinism, had Michael Servetus, the Spanish physician, burned at the stake just outside of Geneva for his doctrinal heresies!(1) Hence, the originator of the popular doctrine of "once saved, always saved" (known in certain circles as "the perseverance of the saints") violated the cry of the Reformation -- "Sola Scriptura" -- by murdering a doctrinal heretic without Scriptural justification. This event was something Calvin had considered long before Servetus was even captured, for Calvin wrote his friend, Farel, on February 13, 1546 (seven years prior to Servetus' arrest) and went on record as saying:

    "If he [Servetus] comes [to Geneva], I shall never let him go out alive if my authority has weight."(2)

    Evidently, in that day Calvin's authority in Geneva, Switzerland had ultimate "weight." This is why some referred to Geneva as the "Rome of Protestantism"(3) and to Calvin as the "Protestant 'Pope' of Geneva."(4)


    http://www.evangelicaloutreach.org/ashes.htm
    sophion wrote: »
    Anyway whats the point of this thread? You will only succeed in shooting your own foot. Because catholics still murdured countless more than protestants. Like they murdured thousands of protestants during st.bartholomew's day alone! :eek: I wonder if protestants ever went into such a religion inspired killing spree. :confused:

    Luther instigated this massacre of poor peasants. That's tolerance for you:

    Luther Said: Peasants Deserve Their Harsh Treatment

    "Like the mules who will not move unless you perpetually whip them with rods, so the civil powers must drive the common people, whip, choke, hang, burn, behead and torture them, that they may learn to fear the powers that be." (El. ed. 15, 276, quoted by O'Hare, in 'The Facts About Luther, TAN Books, 1987, p. 235.)

    "A peasant is a hog, for when a hog is slaughtered it is dead, and in the same way the peasant does not think about the next life, for otherwise he would behave very differently." ('Schlaginhaufen,' 'Aufzeichnungen,' p. 118, quoted ibid., p. 241)

    Perhaps Luther's darkest hour was his betrayal of the long-abused serfs during Münzer's Peasants' War of 1525. First, he naively fomented their unrest by publishing tracts such as 'On Authority,' in which he castigated the princely classes with invective such as, "People cannot, people will not, put up with your tyranny and caprice for any length of time." (Ibid., p. 223.) And, "...the poor man, in excitement and grief on account of the damage he has suffered in his goods, his body and his soul, has been tried too much and has been oppressed by them beyond all measure, in the most perfidious manner. Henceforth he can and will no longer put up with such a state of things, and, moreover, he has ample reason to break forth with the flail and the club as Karsthans threatens to do." (Ibid., p. 225.)

    Yet when the rebellion came, he turned coat, publishing the tract, 'Against the Murderous and Rapacious Hordes of Peasants,' which urged the ruling lords to "stab them secretly and openly, as they can, as one would kill a mad dog." (Ibid., p. 235.)

    To underscore the coldness of the man, Luther was married on the heels of the tragic massacre that resulted. Erasmus, a contemporary, estimated that a hundred thousand peasants lost their lives. (Ibid., p. 237.)


    From the wiki:

    The battle of Frankenhausen was fought on 15 May 1525, and was the final act of the Peasants' War: joint troops of George, Duke of Saxony, Landgraf Philipp I of Hesse, and Frederick III, Elector of Saxony, defeated near Frankenhausen, Thuringia, the peasants led by the Anabaptist leader Thomas Müntzer. The Imperial troops were mostly Landsknechte mercenaries. As such they were well equipped, well trained and had good morale. The Peasants on the other hand were badly equipped, had no training whatsoever, and fled as soon as the Imperial troops attacked. Casualty figures are unreliable but Peasant losses have been estimated at 3-10,000 and the Imperial casualites estimated as low as 6 (2 of whom were only wounded).

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