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  • IMMIGRATION: AN EASY ROUTE TO A PASSPORT

    Fraud squads chase down marriages of convenience


    Ottawa dispatches secret teams in bid to crack down on phony foreign weddings
    BILL CURRY

    May 21, 2008

    OTTAWA -- The Harper government is deploying clandestine teams to fan out across foreign countries and gather raw information about elaborately staged phony weddings aimed at duping Canadian immigration officials.

    The teams, which comprise up to five people, are part of a wider bid by the Department of Citizenship and Immigration to crack down on marriages of convenience as immigrant communities warn that thousands of foreign fraudsters are leaving lonely Canadians broke and broken-hearted.

    The wedding spies report back to their colleagues staffing Canada's visa desks about particular regions or communities where lavish parties and convincing photos are little more than a front for getting a passport. "It's a serious issue. That's why there are fraud teams around the world now," a government source said.

    Officials are loath to identify which countries have been targeted for added fraud measures for fear of upsetting diplomatic relations. They also say that providing too much detail would undercut their effectiveness.

    For Conservatives eager to build support among Canada's ethnic communities, the measures approved by Immigration Minister Diane Finley require some political balancing, as well.

    Vocal complaints of fraud by Indo-Canadians, for instance, must be addressed in a way that avoids triggering a backlash in such communities, where overseas arranged marriages are common. Critics warn that large numbers of genuine marriages arranged by relatives are being mistakenly rejected as fraudulent because Canadian officials misunderstand the tradition.

    Visa officials are now being trained to ask better questions of couples requesting a life together in Canada. The minister is expected to announce further improvements this fall.

    Immigration lawyers and consultants say they have come across everything from phony photos to the conception of children purely so applicants can gain an edge in their bids to live in Canada.

    Ms. Finley is working with the B.C. government - which asked to co-operate with Ottawa on the issue - to warn and remind Canadians they will be on the hook financially if their new husbands or wives immediately leave them and apply for social assistance.

    Fraudulent marriages have been an immigration concern for years. Ms. Finley has said gathering firm statistics is a challenge for the government because even good-faith marriages fall apart. Officials say the phony unions appear to be increasing and concern among immigrant communities is on the rise.

    Palwinder Gill of Surrey, B.C., had an arranged marriage that quickly fell apart two years ago. The 43-year-old said his wife left him one year after he sponsored her entry into Canada from India. He is convinced she used him purely for immigration purposes. Now he advocates for change as part of a group called the Canadian Marriage Fraud Victims' Society.

    The group says these marriages have devastating effects, leading to depression, embarrassment and economic hardship. "This is a very huge problem in Canada," Mr. Gill said. "Marriage is the easiest and fastest way to get Canadian immigration, so people are using marriage as a route to get into Canada. ... There are thousands of cases in each and every immigrant community."

    Current law allows Canadians to sponsor a spouse for quick entry into Canada, but Mr. Gill's group wants Canadians to lose this privilege for seven years if they are found to have attempted marriages of convenience. It wants a similar ban to apply to foreigners who try to fraudulently marry a Canadian.

    Vancouver immigration lawyer Andrew Wlodyka says he has seen it all during his past 17 years in practice, and over the previous seven years in various roles with the Immigration and Refugee Board.

    "In many communities it's epidemic," Mr. Wlodyka said. He mentioned India, China and Vietnam as frequent sources of marriage fraud, but stressed those countries are also a major source of overall immigration to B.C. and that fraud is being committed by people of all backgrounds.

    Mr. Wlodyka said the vast majority of fraud cases involve a Canadian sponsoring an overseas spouse with genuine good intentions, only to be betrayed by the new spouse. But Canadians are also taking part in jilting. The Indian government was forced to launch a booklet campaign in 2006 warning women about the so-called wedding "menace" to address the rise of Indo-Canadian men travelling to India's Punjab region to marry for dowries only, and to leave their brides behind.

    Toronto immigration consultant Roy Kellogg, a former immigration officer, said the challenge for officials is that the most suspicious marriages may actually be the most genuine. Couples with little money often use phone cards to make calls and cannot afford lavish weddings or photos, leaving them with slim evidence of a long courtship. Meanwhile, couples with lots of money can stage elaborate but phony wedding ceremonies overseas and sail through the process.

    Other than having visa officers ask better questions, Mr. Kellogg doubts there's much Ottawa can do. "It's impossible to know whether a couple is in a loving relationship," he said.

    For those with money, the relative speed with which immigrants are approved through marriage makes fraud an attractive option.

    ***

    Fighting fraud

    Anyone who is allowed into Canada as a spouse of a Canadian qualifies for permanent residency. Many other countries take a more restrictive approach.

    THE UNITED STATES

    Congress passed the Immigration Marriage Fraud Act in 1986 in response to controversy over so-called sham marriages. For a couple who have been married less than two years, the law allows the status of "conditional resident." Interviews are conducted after two years and, if officials deem the marriage to be genuine, the immigrant receives permanent resident status.

    AUSTRALIA

    Immigrants must live with their spouses for two years before receiving permanent partner visas.

    NEW ZEALAND

    Immigration New Zealand's website states: "A partner will only be granted residence if both people in the partnership have been living together for at least 12 months."

    How big is the problem of marriage fraud in Canada?

    Immigration Minister Diane Finley said she was unable to answer that question when it was posed to her in writing by Toronto-area Liberal MP ROY CULLEN.

    "Quantifying the rate of marriage fraud is difficult as relationships can break down at any time in a marriage, from the date of entry to Canada to several years into the marriage," the minister said.

    When a New Democratic Party MLA organized a meeting on the issue in Burnaby, B.C., in 2006, nearly 200 people filled a town hall. An advocacy group called the Canadian Marriage Fraud Victims' Society estimates the number of victims to be in the thousands.

    http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/story/LAC.20080521.MARRIAGES21/TPStory/National
  • omgoodness :D
    hello i'm back
    been really really really sick
  • Hi Scud,
    di kaya mahirapan mag sponsor ng spouse ngayon,I just got married and will be sponsoring my husband pretty soon,pinoy din sya but hes been my long time bf,lke 6yrs before i came to Canada 3yrs ago and i just got my PR so i went home to Pinas and got married..We were jst waiting for some papers then he'll send it here..
    Help naman po Sa application form sa Sponsorship Evaluation question,it says:

    YOUR NET PERSONAL INCOME FOR THE 12MONTH PERIOD PRECEDING THE DATE OF YOUR APPLICATION

    AMOUNT
    12MONTH PERIOD STARTING : DAY MONTH YEAR

    AND ENDING: DAY MONTH YEAR

    in case po mag submit ako June 14,ang mini mean ba nito is yung net income ko last taxation year?Ipapasa din kasi yung original notice of assessment last year,so dun ko ba yun ibabase?So ano po ilalagay ko sa starting date: January 01,2007 and ending to January 01,2008 po ba?Thanks po Scud!!!Ilang months na kaya ngayon ang pagsponsor,wala pa naman kaming dependent,,=)..




    _SCUD_ wrote: »
    IMMIGRATION: AN EASY ROUTE TO A PASSPORT

    Fraud squads chase down marriages of convenience


    Ottawa dispatches secret teams in bid to crack down on phony foreign weddings
    BILL CURRY

    May 21, 2008

    OTTAWA -- The Harper government is deploying clandestine teams to fan out across foreign countries and gather raw information about elaborately staged phony weddings aimed at duping Canadian immigration officials.

    The teams, which comprise up to five people, are part of a wider bid by the Department of Citizenship and Immigration to crack down on marriages of convenience as immigrant communities warn that thousands of foreign fraudsters are leaving lonely Canadians broke and broken-hearted.

    The wedding spies report back to their colleagues staffing Canada's visa desks about particular regions or communities where lavish parties and convincing photos are little more than a front for getting a passport. "It's a serious issue. That's why there are fraud teams around the world now," a government source said.

    Officials are loath to identify which countries have been targeted for added fraud measures for fear of upsetting diplomatic relations. They also say that providing too much detail would undercut their effectiveness.

    For Conservatives eager to build support among Canada's ethnic communities, the measures approved by Immigration Minister Diane Finley require some political balancing, as well.

    Vocal complaints of fraud by Indo-Canadians, for instance, must be addressed in a way that avoids triggering a backlash in such communities, where overseas arranged marriages are common. Critics warn that large numbers of genuine marriages arranged by relatives are being mistakenly rejected as fraudulent because Canadian officials misunderstand the tradition.

    Visa officials are now being trained to ask better questions of couples requesting a life together in Canada. The minister is expected to announce further improvements this fall.

    Immigration lawyers and consultants say they have come across everything from phony photos to the conception of children purely so applicants can gain an edge in their bids to live in Canada.

    Ms. Finley is working with the B.C. government - which asked to co-operate with Ottawa on the issue - to warn and remind Canadians they will be on the hook financially if their new husbands or wives immediately leave them and apply for social assistance.

    Fraudulent marriages have been an immigration concern for years. Ms. Finley has said gathering firm statistics is a challenge for the government because even good-faith marriages fall apart. Officials say the phony unions appear to be increasing and concern among immigrant communities is on the rise.

    Palwinder Gill of Surrey, B.C., had an arranged marriage that quickly fell apart two years ago. The 43-year-old said his wife left him one year after he sponsored her entry into Canada from India. He is convinced she used him purely for immigration purposes. Now he advocates for change as part of a group called the Canadian Marriage Fraud Victims' Society.

    The group says these marriages have devastating effects, leading to depression, embarrassment and economic hardship. "This is a very huge problem in Canada," Mr. Gill said. "Marriage is the easiest and fastest way to get Canadian immigration, so people are using marriage as a route to get into Canada. ... There are thousands of cases in each and every immigrant community."

    Current law allows Canadians to sponsor a spouse for quick entry into Canada, but Mr. Gill's group wants Canadians to lose this privilege for seven years if they are found to have attempted marriages of convenience. It wants a similar ban to apply to foreigners who try to fraudulently marry a Canadian.

    Vancouver immigration lawyer Andrew Wlodyka says he has seen it all during his past 17 years in practice, and over the previous seven years in various roles with the Immigration and Refugee Board.

    "In many communities it's epidemic," Mr. Wlodyka said. He mentioned India, China and Vietnam as frequent sources of marriage fraud, but stressed those countries are also a major source of overall immigration to B.C. and that fraud is being committed by people of all backgrounds.

    Mr. Wlodyka said the vast majority of fraud cases involve a Canadian sponsoring an overseas spouse with genuine good intentions, only to be betrayed by the new spouse. But Canadians are also taking part in jilting. The Indian government was forced to launch a booklet campaign in 2006 warning women about the so-called wedding "menace" to address the rise of Indo-Canadian men travelling to India's Punjab region to marry for dowries only, and to leave their brides behind.

    Toronto immigration consultant Roy Kellogg, a former immigration officer, said the challenge for officials is that the most suspicious marriages may actually be the most genuine. Couples with little money often use phone cards to make calls and cannot afford lavish weddings or photos, leaving them with slim evidence of a long courtship. Meanwhile, couples with lots of money can stage elaborate but phony wedding ceremonies overseas and sail through the process.

    Other than having visa officers ask better questions, Mr. Kellogg doubts there's much Ottawa can do. "It's impossible to know whether a couple is in a loving relationship," he said.

    For those with money, the relative speed with which immigrants are approved through marriage makes fraud an attractive option.

    ***

    Fighting fraud

    Anyone who is allowed into Canada as a spouse of a Canadian qualifies for permanent residency. Many other countries take a more restrictive approach.

    THE UNITED STATES

    Congress passed the Immigration Marriage Fraud Act in 1986 in response to controversy over so-called sham marriages. For a couple who have been married less than two years, the law allows the status of "conditional resident." Interviews are conducted after two years and, if officials deem the marriage to be genuine, the immigrant receives permanent resident status.

    AUSTRALIA

    Immigrants must live with their spouses for two years before receiving permanent partner visas.

    NEW ZEALAND

    Immigration New Zealand's website states: "A partner will only be granted residence if both people in the partnership have been living together for at least 12 months."

    How big is the problem of marriage fraud in Canada?

    Immigration Minister Diane Finley said she was unable to answer that question when it was posed to her in writing by Toronto-area Liberal MP ROY CULLEN.

    "Quantifying the rate of marriage fraud is difficult as relationships can break down at any time in a marriage, from the date of entry to Canada to several years into the marriage," the minister said.

    When a New Democratic Party MLA organized a meeting on the issue in Burnaby, B.C., in 2006, nearly 200 people filled a town hall. An advocacy group called the Canadian Marriage Fraud Victims' Society estimates the number of victims to be in the thousands.

    http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/story/LAC.20080521.MARRIAGES21/TPStory/National
  • i'm not much help with processing pero ang sponsorship i think takes 6months or so

    my friend married her husband december 2007 processing na ang VISA and july and expected na dating nila
  • purepinay, wag kayo mag alala sa sitwasyon nyong mag-asawa. May kaibigan ako nagchat lang sila sa internet, nung umuwi yung babae nagpakasal agad sila. Nandito na ngayon yung lalaki, 6 months lang.

    Isama mo yung assessment mo last year, then idagdag mo yung kinita mo from Jan. 1 to June 14 2008. Yung total, yan ang ilagay mo sa form. Hindi ka na tatanungin nyan dahil alam nila na pwede ka na magtrabaho kung may Open Visa ka, kaya pwede mong lakihan ang isusulat mo na income.
  • question po ulit ako, pag may kamag anak po ba ako sa canada and gusto nila akong kunin and papuntahin dun pano po ung processing ng papers dun?
  • @wooly_sheep - kung kukunin ka nila as..

    tourist/visitor
    - kailangan magpadala sila ng Letter of Invitation sayo.
    Live-In Caregiver - kailangan kumuha muna sila ng Labor Market Opinion dito sa Canada, then mag-aral ka ng caregiver course bago magapply para sa work permit.
    Permanent Resident (Family Class) - Kailangan immediate relative ka nila at dependent.
    Employee - Kailangan nilang magtayo ng business, kukuha sila ng Labor Market Opinion para sayo, then apply ka ng work permit
  • wow a new thread! :) thanks to scud and to all the contributors of this thread. :)
  • ah, ganun pala un.... sige po sasabihin ko dun sa kamag anak ko... sana makapunta ko dyan, pahirap na ng pahirap ang buhay dito sa pinas.... lahat tumataas...

    salamat po ng marami!
  • ^Oo nga eh, lahat na tumataas sa Pilipinas.

    Underwear na lang ang bumababa.
  • hello... hello...


    can you help me on my LIST on what to bring in canada...


    weeeeeeeeeeeeeee...


    im so excited to go there...


    Alberta ako... malamig b jan?
  • honeymine, kailan ba balak mo pumunta?

    From June to September hindi malamig kasi summer. I-post mo na lang kaya dito ang LIST mo at sabihin namin kung may kulang. :D
  • I Agree :D

    hindi ko na mahanap ung actual list ko e.
    ang important e
    1. Educational Documents
    2. Birth Certificate and Medical Records like vaccines etc
    3. konting gamot (ako kasi naninibago sa gamot)
    4. underwear (hanggang ngayon d ko maatim bumili ng $20 na underwear, kahit minsan sale 3 for $20 d padin kaya ng bulsa ko)

    lolz hope this helps
  • Hi to all,
    Help naman po, baka may alam kayong Room For Rent, plano namin ni Misis magpunta dyan sa Vancouver by 1st week ng August. Kaaaprub lang ng PR namin last March, inabot din ng 3 years & 7 months ang processing ng application na sinubmit namin dito sa Singapore.
    Namomroblema po kami, wala pa kaming titirhan, naka base kami dito sa Singapore. Ask ko rin po marami bang available na trabaho dyan sa Vancouver, civil engineer po ako. Thanks...
  • RGFALLARME : congratulations :D

    nakupo bakit naman August papasok na cold season nun.
    if you want you can try looking sa craigslist.org or kijiji.com.

    regarding sa work. Marami namang work and tanong lang kung mamimili ka or not. I would suggest na iprepare mo na ung resume mo. Or when you land and after getting your PR & SIN card is to look for a job preparation seminar. They will help with preparing your resume, how to job search etx etx :D

    wishing you the best of luck
  • hi khrystianne,
    Thanks for d advice. Andito pa kami sa singapore coz cancel pa namin PR namin dito. Baka may alam ka na pinoy na nagpaparent ng room. Nakita ko na craigslist at kijiji kaya lang di pa ko familiar sa mga place sa vancouver. Gusto ko sana pinoy din yung makasama namin. Salamat ulit at sensya na medyo matanong ako....
  • Tanong ko lng yun sa Settlement Funds.

    Kailangan ba na sobra or ok lng kahit exact amount lng yun savings nmen sa required proof of funds?

    Medyo lito kame dito ng gf ko eh, di nmen alam baka nde pde na sobra lng ng konti yun pera nmen or dpat mas malaki pa dun sa required nila.

    Thanks...
  • gr81gr81 PExer
    ah, ganun pala un.... sige po sasabihin ko dun sa kamag anak ko... sana makapunta ko dyan, pahirap na ng pahirap ang buhay dito sa pinas.... lahat tumataas...

    salamat po ng marami!

    si GMA na lang hindi tumataas :D
  • gr81gr81 PExer
    I Agree :D

    hindi ko na mahanap ung actual list ko e.
    ang important e
    1. Educational Documents
    2. Birth Certificate and Medical Records like vaccines etc
    3. konting gamot (ako kasi naninibago sa gamot)
    4. underwear (hanggang ngayon d ko maatim bumili ng $20 na underwear, kahit minsan sale 3 for $20 d padin kaya ng bulsa ko)

    lolz hope this helps

    o nga ang mahal ng underwear :D

    kung nagyoyosi ka magdala ka ng isang rim (10 packs lang allowed) dahil ang mahal ng isang pack ng sigarilyo d2 $8+tax, halos P320
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